He lost nothing. He's not negotiating from a place of power. Foligno was a seller's market. Toronto was lucky they got him for the reason the scout said at the beginning - they had the weakest first round pick in the draft. Foligno probably preferred Toronto, and Columbus honored that. "clearly lost the negotiation." psssht. what do you know about negotiation?
@@Coatay And you say that proudly! Dude, there's no comparison between the NHL trade market and whatever you claim to be doing. The standards are different, the goals are different, and the timelines are wildly different. For one, there's a heck of a lot more scarcity in the NHL trade market than the real estate market. In the NHL, GMs routinely overpay because it's the only way to acquire an asset to address an urgent need. You apparently wanted Dubas to negotiate harder, which suggests that you don't understand all the reasons he didn't.
Dubas played the young progressive role so well and conned everyone into thinking he knew what he was doing when in reality he got played by everyone he made a trade with and then somehow conned the Penguins into making him President of Operations.
Wow, I thought I was the only one who picked up on what was really going on! He's a weasel who marches in homosexual/gay parades. The Leafs still don't have a solid goaltender. While they are about to watch Frederick Anderson and the Carolina Hurricanes go on a run to the conference final once again.
@@TheBillaro The facts speak for themselves. From wikipedia: He began as head coach of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, whom he led to the 2003 Stanley Cup Finals. In 2005, Babcock signed with the Detroit Red Wings, winning the Stanley Cup with them in 2008, and helping them to the Stanley Cup playoffs every year during his tenure, becoming the winningest coach in Red Wings history.
You can see right here how the paralysis and second-guessing creeps into EVERY decision in that market. The post game tradition in the Leafs dressing room after a win is so uptight and robotic it's hard to even watch. I sincerely feel sorry for Leaf players.
@@eriklakeland3857 I agree Toronto may not because their fans and media are just a brutal vice that squeezes the team until it disintegrates. But Dubas is perfectly capable of winning a Cup elsewhere.
@@jon8004 I'm not a Leafs fan and while this seems like a wild maybe hateful take it is just anyalitics. Kyle Dubas let 18 active nhl forwards come and go in his time as GM. Including Matthews and all their big guns, the top 14 of those forwards he didn't signed out scored the Leafs this year by a margin
You’ve got to be nuts to give up a 1st round pick for Foligno at this stage of his career. But it’s not all on Dubas, everyone in that room was pot committed, you really need someone to step up and say we’re getting a 35 point guy who’s playing in our bottom 6, surely we can find something similar for just a 3rd…… but there is this narrative that you need leadership, true, but not at the deadline. Team leaders start at camp and lead the group all season, it’s next to impossible to come in after the deadline and lead a group of strangers. Yarmo took the Leafs to the cleaners on this on.
Imagine wearing a mask indoors thinking that helps The NHL should do a documentary like this again except next time follow a team that can actually win a playoff round
and we wonder how Dubas got fleeced in the contractual negotiations with the core four - "whatever" - says it all and Shanny oversaw all this. time to go.
Dude, all the top teams give away their first-round picks when they're trying to win. I'm a Caps fan. We traded away our first rounder nearly every single year when we were in the thick of it.
@@jon8004 dude....he signed 2nd contract RFAs to league leading contracts, making cap space tight then traded away the only way to get cheap contracts to fill the roster out. He royally fucked up a golden platter of talent
@@nipzie He really didn't. All of the top guys he signed to those contracts could be traded away in a matter of hours for a handsome return. If he fucked up, the Leafs would be trapped. They've never been trapped. If they want out of Marner, they can trade Marner. Tavares? They can trade Tavares. Minnesota is trapped. San Jose, for the longest time, was trapped. Toronto isn't trapped. They've just been giving a core of elite players as much time as possible to convert on their talent. But they could pull the ripcord on any of them tomorrow. If Toronto wants to fill the roster out they can. If they need to trade picks to move money they can. They're in their prime. The goal should not be prospects, but roster-ready players.
Reading the texts during the call, its interesting to see who the leafs were interested when adding D Kulikov for a 3rd Gologoski for a 2nd Oesterle for a 3rd and maybe Pateryn
Folded like a cheap suit on the draft pick. He’s all yours Pitt.
Leafs legend Nick Foligno
he will win a cup with chicago the one thing the leafs cant do
A legend ? Really ?
That sums it up how complaisant the Leafs (and fans) are
@@GdF420bro doesn’t get sarcasm
@@DarC_25 On their coaching staff?
@@alexleblanc5926 does it matter?
Dubas can’t negotiate
He really fucking can’t lol
Shanny's eye was twitching after the trade lol
For some reason Dubas loved to bring guys in at the deadline for them to be injured majority of the time
Why did Dufas walk out of the room when his leadership is right there listening. It aint a secret bro.
He clearly lost the negotiation.
Shanahan should've fired him sooner
Shanahan needs to fire himself
He lost nothing. He's not negotiating from a place of power. Foligno was a seller's market. Toronto was lucky they got him for the reason the scout said at the beginning - they had the weakest first round pick in the draft. Foligno probably preferred Toronto, and Columbus honored that. "clearly lost the negotiation." psssht. what do you know about negotiation?
@@jon8004
a career brokering real estate for foreign buyers
@@Coatay And you say that proudly! Dude, there's no comparison between the NHL trade market and whatever you claim to be doing. The standards are different, the goals are different, and the timelines are wildly different. For one, there's a heck of a lot more scarcity in the NHL trade market than the real estate market. In the NHL, GMs routinely overpay because it's the only way to acquire an asset to address an urgent need. You apparently wanted Dubas to negotiate harder, which suggests that you don't understand all the reasons he didn't.
Nice try Kyle
Dubas played the young progressive role so well and conned everyone into thinking he knew what he was doing when in reality he got played by everyone he made a trade with and then somehow conned the Penguins into making him President of Operations.
Wow, I thought I was the only one who picked up on what was really going on! He's a weasel who marches in homosexual/gay parades. The Leafs still don't have a solid goaltender. While they are about to watch Frederick Anderson and the Carolina Hurricanes go on a run to the conference final once again.
1000% true.
fsg will sack him in 2-3 more years.
@@patrickgermanese1050truth. why did leaf fans run him out of town along with kadri. bunting.
larry ffing murphy.
whyyyyyyy
@@TheBillaro The facts speak for themselves. From wikipedia:
He began as head coach of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, whom he led to the 2003 Stanley Cup Finals. In 2005, Babcock signed with the Detroit Red Wings, winning the Stanley Cup with them in 2008, and helping them to the Stanley Cup playoffs every year during his tenure, becoming the winningest coach in Red Wings history.
@@patrickgermanese1050 Freddie is always injured.
Appreciate these clips, if it’s possible, can you get the game 6/7 with reactions of players.
I'll be uploading a full montage in the coming days of the best bits. Will include it!
Horrific trade for Leafs
One of the worst trades in Leafs history.
That's a great insight!
You can see right here how the paralysis and second-guessing creeps into EVERY decision in that market. The post game tradition in the Leafs dressing room after a win is so uptight and robotic it's hard to even watch. I sincerely feel sorry for Leaf players.
Waste of a trade. Left after another failed season.
Kyle dubas is the worst gm in the NHL, no business having that job anymore. Just pure incompetence
As a Caps fan, I can't wait to see Dubas win a Cup before Toronto.
@@jon8004not gonna happen. They both won’t win.
@@eriklakeland3857 I agree Toronto may not because their fans and media are just a brutal vice that squeezes the team until it disintegrates. But Dubas is perfectly capable of winning a Cup elsewhere.
?????
@@jon8004 I'm not a Leafs fan and while this seems like a wild maybe hateful take it is just anyalitics. Kyle Dubas let 18 active nhl forwards come and go in his time as GM. Including Matthews and all their big guns, the top 14 of those forwards he didn't signed out scored the Leafs this year by a margin
All that to lose to the Habs 🤣🤣
Lots of options but they went for Foligno.
You’ve got to be nuts to give up a 1st round pick for Foligno at this stage of his career. But it’s not all on Dubas, everyone in that room was pot committed, you really need someone to step up and say we’re getting a 35 point guy who’s playing in our bottom 6, surely we can find something similar for just a 3rd…… but there is this narrative that you need leadership, true, but not at the deadline. Team leaders start at camp and lead the group all season, it’s next to impossible to come in after the deadline and lead a group of strangers. Yarmo took the Leafs to the cleaners on this on.
What a bum
another great trade by dubas
Bad deal considering you lost him the next season
Imagine wearing a mask indoors thinking that
helps
The NHL should do a documentary like this again except next time follow a team that can actually win a playoff round
Capt. Obvious assistant GM ing for the Leafs. 'there are going to be 3 teams left at the alter'.
Ya bud, that's kind of how it works.
Dubas trading away all draft picks
Does anyone care about this ?
People like you are annoying as fuck.
Wish they'd do another season but the NHL is scared it makes the league look bad.
It’s been reported that another series with Amazon Prime and the NHL featuring 10-12 star players will come out this fall
@@relelliott I heard that on spittin chiclets. Hopefully its good if it happens.
Honestly all these guys in the comments know nothing about being a GM and just talk lol bet it’s just the old timers 🤣
so bad this look; especially, since it cost us Seth Jarvis and Nick was useless
Take of those face diapers!
That was an awful trade for the leafs lol
and we wonder how Dubas got fleeced in the contractual negotiations with the core four - "whatever" - says it all
and Shanny oversaw all this. time to go.
Waste of a franchise
Waste of a UA-cam account
@@relelliott great comeback
@@Wolfclanxp did I ask?
looking back now those masks look so stupid on top of the fact they didnt protect you from anything 🤣
nobody gives a fuck about this trade 😭
Lol muzzled dogs on multiple fronts 😂
What a useless "wonderboy". Negotiates hard for his own contract and gave RFAs insane contracts, while getting rid of all the first round picks.
Dude, all the top teams give away their first-round picks when they're trying to win. I'm a Caps fan. We traded away our first rounder nearly every single year when we were in the thick of it.
@@jon8004 dude....he signed 2nd contract RFAs to league leading contracts, making cap space tight then traded away the only way to get cheap contracts to fill the roster out. He royally fucked up a golden platter of talent
@@nipzie He really didn't. All of the top guys he signed to those contracts could be traded away in a matter of hours for a handsome return. If he fucked up, the Leafs would be trapped. They've never been trapped. If they want out of Marner, they can trade Marner. Tavares? They can trade Tavares. Minnesota is trapped. San Jose, for the longest time, was trapped. Toronto isn't trapped. They've just been giving a core of elite players as much time as possible to convert on their talent. But they could pull the ripcord on any of them tomorrow. If Toronto wants to fill the roster out they can. If they need to trade picks to move money they can. They're in their prime. The goal should not be prospects, but roster-ready players.
Should have gotten Mike Foligno instead
😂
He overpaid as he always did. He's a little boy playing a video game and reacting to pressure rather than logic
"we're the lowest value for our first" bold statement Mr First round exits
Reading the texts during the call, its interesting to see who the leafs were interested when adding D
Kulikov for a 3rd
Gologoski for a 2nd
Oesterle for a 3rd
and maybe Pateryn
This aged like milk
One of Dubas' many busts as the Toronto Maple Leafs Gm
Expensive for a rental.
Surrounded himself by yes guys. Where were the guys saying its Nick Foligno!!!!
Nick Folingo really helped, thanks Dubas
Leafs are a joke
All For Nothing
dubas is so typical of guys in his generation total beta
Wasn’t he dealt to San Jose and then Toronto to make it work ?
Dubas should’ve been canned years ago.
LOL… the masks.😂
😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡
why is Bojack Horseman narrating this 😭
lmfao
why the hell are they wearing masks?
Remember Covid? It was only what... 3-4 years ago.
Do you even know what you're watching?
@@bangbangyoureaboolean1324 I don't think bro knows what planet he on
Because they’re corporate sheep 🐑