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The rant's totally valid, Josh is also just one producer on a whole team of folks. It's reasonable that he can't make any promises since... he's just one dude lol. Love the videos, they help me out so much with my lil hunter.
Ya that does suck that they don't put a little more time into melee hunter. For me, I don't think that I would like it but I like the idea of melee weaving just to change things up. Also, keep your chin up. I know it freaking sucks putting all that time into editing your video only have have blizzard change things but we really really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great videos. I can't wait to see what lvl 40 brings.
Venomstrike with Fang 2 piece hits pretty hard. Constantly ripping threat from pet when it procs, but haven’t had the chance to test if the 2 piece boost the damage but I believe it does.
the bow is kinda fun because of the procc.. but it`s also kinda useless with all the other higher dps ranged weapons. the proc on average doesn`t deal enough damage.
The gear in this BFD raid is insane... if it keeps going like this max lvl raids will definetely need a top of buffs, otherwise we'll be able to clear naxx as soon as we reach 60. I mean look at the trinkets... lvl 25 trinkets are very close to what we had as pre bis trinkets
@@Dwesk for sure. I assume they have stuff planned for lvl 60 like Kara and im sure they'll take the gear inflation into consideration. I mean even with the regular classic gear, all classes are already way more powerfull than they originally were so the raids would be a steam roll regardless
@@floreaciprian9742 yeah the runes did simplify things by quite a bit, and I assume when next phase comes out if they add another batch of runes (like 6-10 more for each class) then there will once again be potentially new OP combinations, and some runes that are underused ATM will skyrocket with some broken synergy.
Can somebody explain me plz, why Double-barreled Shotgun and Ranged bow not in BIS list? Wanna buy one of the from ah, but i am a little confused not to see them in any guide =\
Hello! I was wondering something, I recently got the Armor Piercer but my Attack/melee Power is both higher with WingBlade + Outlaw Sabre. Am I missing something that makes Armor Piercer better?
it would be really cool if you could include in future guides, images or the mobs or quests that you are talking about, like a mini guide of 30 sec each/per item, for ex if it s a quest where to get it , what mob/items you have to aquire. overall good video :D
Thanks for sharing your discontentment at the end, it feels good to hear someone that has the same opinion than me on all this uncontrollable nerf shit and the multi-dolar company having 0 love for our class
Hol'up. Guys asking for a flanking strike buff making it easier to get 3 stacks? I rather have it hit harder than trying to fish stacks.. Its literally a wet noodle (despite) tooltip saying 100% weapon damage, yet its doing 1/3 of a white swing lol. On top of that: Pet doesnt always hit with flanking strike either, and oh. Chimera shot is also bugged, since it doesnt add damage from viper sting, it only refreshes it.
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The thing I don't understand about the nerfs is this: Hunter is one of the best damage dealers in this stage of the game right? Why nerf them now when they will probably have to buff our runes exponentially in order for hunters to be on par when the next phase comes out anyway. Hunters dont scale well into the latter half of classic. They should just expect some classes at certain stages to do better than others and not get too tune happy with the mechanics. As a hunter player I can't even keep up with the changes happening to this class to know where we stand lol. They also gave us the worst of the "meme runes" with melee being the worst choice you could make as a hunter.
We got the most boring build possible as usable to keep up with the dps... and frankly to do content. You can use the other runes but you feel... like its not enough, barely any sinergy in meele combat either. And in group content, well, you want to use the best so its easier... man. Whats next? More nerfs? My first chara was a hunter, but as I played it became... boring. Same ol vanilla pet do the job for me. No bottom pressing. No action. Give it to blizz ngl, to not allow fun
Nah. The dps on bael modan is super high. The only way xbow is better is if youre clipping aimed shots super hard or possibly extremely high movement fights.
@@j.a.n1047 Ranger Bow is better than Bow of Plunder. Will likely cost ya around 20g from AH. But Bow of Plunder is not necessarily better than Venomstrike from WC, especially if you have 2 pieces of the Fang set from WC
Pretty good for a pre raid bow. Wasnt too hard to complete the dangerous quest with a buddy. The named guy in the town hall will be tricky to do solo. Good Luck.
Which pet did ya use? Any other tips? I’m new to Hunter and cleared BFD first time yesterday. My damage was ok, but my parses were 50_60 level. Scorpid pet seemed strong still. One thing I learned is I need to be using multi shot on cd even on boss fights. Anything else you can help guide me with?
@@nickv3085 Keep serpent sting up, multi-shot on CD, and don't interrupt your auto attacks. Your auto attacks take priority over all else, and you weave your abilities in between them. Other than that, not much to say or do.
Im not so much dissapointed by the nerfs, as much as unfixed bugs and generaly raw design of the new melee spec. I read a bit of blizzforums and many new and meme spec complaign about the same thing. Its almost like SoD was super rushed out to meet deadline, so tipical of blizzard.
Is that even a thing without the promised 3 sec cd raptor strike and in combat trapping? It was really the reason I picked up hunter cause I wanted to play melee. Atm it's basically just vanilla hunter.
@@lfgubrs you get flanking and carve. I enjoy it for mobs since it hits like everything on a 6 cd in between flanking/raptor/mongoose plus your pet attacking as well.
Well that's it for me then. I was hoping melee hunters would be viable, but fuck it then, I am not playing braindead bm spec. Thing is, we don't even know if it's ever gonna be decent at least.
Do you need carve rune for that? And is it viable without 3 seconds cd on Raptor Strike and when you can't trap in combat? Classic range hunter still seems to be the most optimal sadly cause I was hyped to try melee hunter. That's the main reason I picked hunter for SoD in the first place. Maybe melee hunter will thrive in next phase.
very sad to see hunter didn't change anything in sod, no buffs on raptor strike no combat traps, melee hunter just a meme, blizzard itso so dishonest...
It was the reason i picked hunter for SoD cause was mega hyped to try melee hunter with 3 seconds raptor strike, combat traps, carve, flanking strike. Hopefully it will come.
I literally could not keep it straight so it just became dire mines. I spent so many hours in dire maul north farming, that the name is permanently seared into my mind.
Overall i am confused how Blizzard decided this time to develope sod. Feels completly undiscouvered for them as well. Like a beta and untested. Did they not test at least 1 time what they are gonna Produce here? These nerfes are heavy. I saw a Video yesterday about hunters explosive shot. How damage it did before and after nerfs. U cannot tell me u oversee this when u tested this as a developer. Feels like the love is missing here and again it seems they underestitmated the community as well. So many players were and are interested In classic sod and got now some heavy boomers and nerfs and redesigns to accept. Thats not right. A game should make fun and not only money for the devs... Blizzard makes so much money and still it feels like putting not the money inside the game instead maybe in their own Pockets for endless holidays and so on. Dont know if its true but makes me sad. These blizzcons Sound often promissing but in fact are often only telling words with a smile on a face. Best time Was still for me wc3. Wc2 was ok but wc3 made the difference for me. Then came this mmorpg.... but i got so interested In the lore and Story because of wc3 that i wanted to know how it goes after that. Wished they would have done this different. But still... here i am, hoping they dont destroy this game completly, Playing the game and giving These "developers" more money over and over again. Give us some love back and care more about Ur game and the community Blizzard. Great Video. Nice and chilly and on point.
The fact you have to do gimmick stuff to get “pre bis” is so dumb. With SOD Blizzard once again had a nice idea they failed to implement. Rather than make SOD engaging and fun for players you have to resort to gimmicky grinds like solo a dungeon to get “pre bis”. What a waste of time better of playing some other game.
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Beast Mastery rune plays just like vanilla, but its really nice having a pet thats tanky and has a reliable taunt. It just...feels right
Hunter tank will be fun
The rant's totally valid, Josh is also just one producer on a whole team of folks. It's reasonable that he can't make any promises since... he's just one dude lol.
Love the videos, they help me out so much with my lil hunter.
The 5agi sword from WC quest + 15Ap sword from BFD quest is an easy option for good statsticks
Ya that does suck that they don't put a little more time into melee hunter. For me, I don't think that I would like it but I like the idea of melee weaving just to change things up.
Also, keep your chin up. I know it freaking sucks putting all that time into editing your video only have have blizzard change things but we really really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great videos. I can't wait to see what lvl 40 brings.
Is there a difference between the White Wyvern in Thousand Needles and the Chimera in Stonetalon for a pet?
Yes, but it's very slight to the point it really doesn't matter.
@@Bigbobbedboi Which is better very slightly?
Love the guide mate. Big believer that a lot of people do things but very few do it right. You do it right. Keep it up mate!
Regarding gloves there're also Fletcher's gloves, pretty easy to access and 1% crit is pretty good in Classic :p
Love your content. Ran into you in Darnassus this morning. Keep it up!
Venomstrike with Fang 2 piece hits pretty hard. Constantly ripping threat from pet when it procs, but haven’t had the chance to test if the 2 piece boost the damage but I believe it does.
the bow is kinda fun because of the procc.. but it`s also kinda useless with all the other higher dps ranged weapons. the proc on average doesn`t deal enough damage.
@@AcousticOlli until I got a Ranger Bow, it was better with the Fang 2 Piece
I've been looking for a video like this for a long time. Thank you for your work!
Easily the GOAT for classic hunter content, and hilarious as always. Keep it up my guy.
how come the 7 agility 4 strength ring from Allegiance to the Old Gods quest wasn't mentioned?
The BFD dungeon was replaced with the raid. That ring comes from the dungeon so it's currently unobtainable.
I have the ring on my hunter mate. you get the Q from the damp note drop Q from the Priestesses outside the instance@@NazSef
@@SonnsOnTelevision Woah! No way! Definitely gonna try to get that now. Kinda confused about this but I'll take it.
What about Fletchers gloves? They are cheap on AH and just give 1% crit. Seems decent.
Having both Bael moden blunderbust and heartener what should I be using ?
The gear in this BFD raid is insane... if it keeps going like this max lvl raids will definetely need a top of buffs, otherwise we'll be able to clear naxx as soon as we reach 60. I mean look at the trinkets... lvl 25 trinkets are very close to what we had as pre bis trinkets
also assuming the next "phase" is level 40 with Gnomeregan and some other raid. This gear will be pretty crazy and make it a steamroll.
@@Dwesk for sure. I assume they have stuff planned for lvl 60 like Kara and im sure they'll take the gear inflation into consideration. I mean even with the regular classic gear, all classes are already way more powerfull than they originally were so the raids would be a steam roll regardless
@@floreaciprian9742 yeah the runes did simplify things by quite a bit, and I assume when next phase comes out if they add another batch of runes (like 6-10 more for each class) then there will once again be potentially new OP combinations, and some runes that are underused ATM will skyrocket with some broken synergy.
@@Dwesk definetely. Warr will be very strong once he gets his abilities, same an enha shamy for example
@@Dwesk no because hopefully they balance the gnome raid to this gear. why do you think this gear will make the new lvl40 raid a steamroll?
Hey I was in your stream earlier this week and you were answering questions and very helpful. Appreciate you man, great video!
Can somebody explain me plz, why Double-barreled Shotgun and Ranged bow not in BIS list? Wanna buy one of the from ah, but i am a little confused not to see them in any guide =\
Hello! I was wondering something, I recently got the Armor Piercer but my Attack/melee Power is both higher with WingBlade + Outlaw Sabre. Am I missing something that makes Armor Piercer better?
it would be really cool if you could include in future guides, images or the mobs or quests that you are talking about, like a mini guide of 30 sec each/per item, for ex if it s a quest where to get it , what mob/items you have to aquire. overall good video :D
Thanks for sharing your discontentment at the end, it feels good to hear someone that has the same opinion than me on all this uncontrollable nerf shit and the multi-dolar company having 0 love for our class
Hol'up. Guys asking for a flanking strike buff making it easier to get 3 stacks? I rather have it hit harder than trying to fish stacks.. Its literally a wet noodle (despite) tooltip saying 100% weapon damage, yet its doing 1/3 of a white swing lol.
On top of that: Pet doesnt always hit with flanking strike either, and oh. Chimera shot is also bugged, since it doesnt add damage from viper sting, it only refreshes it.
They should just make it have a lower chance to proc the refresh on melee white hits.
Thanks for the guide king couldn't agree more with your takes at the end of blizzards wack priorities.
I just love professions mattering!
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Ty
hey do you think Raptor's End bow is better than Venomstrike?
I got the Ironhide Arabalest Crossbow dropped from the BFD raid yesterday, is that not any good?
You are officially now THE BALLER of awesome! Thanks the channel is SIC. PvP content if you have time… thanks.
Opinions on best pets for pve/pvp at 25? Scorpid feels pretty good for pve, any thoughts on wind serpents?
anyone know what pet i should be using I was planning on scorpid but after the update ive heard that cat with bite/claw might be better
Scorpid is still the best if you are the only one using it. Rest is very close to each others if you wanna go cat or wind serpent etc.
So when are the talents coming?
Awesome guide, tysm!
how rare is that lvl 31 Matriach dinosaur?? havent seen him in a couple runs
The thing I don't understand about the nerfs is this: Hunter is one of the best damage dealers in this stage of the game right? Why nerf them now when they will probably have to buff our runes exponentially in order for hunters to be on par when the next phase comes out anyway. Hunters dont scale well into the latter half of classic. They should just expect some classes at certain stages to do better than others and not get too tune happy with the mechanics. As a hunter player I can't even keep up with the changes happening to this class to know where we stand lol. They also gave us the worst of the "meme runes" with melee being the worst choice you could make as a hunter.
Any tips on solo farming Lord Cobrahn for leggings of the fang? I haven’t tried it, but it seems annoying to get to him solo
There's only 1 difficult pull really with 3 elites and 2-3 non elite snakes. I speccd/runed for BM and used a wind serpent to get through it.
I agree, the Blizzard response is pissing me off. Just make a slight change and see how it pans out. They're changing plenty of other stuff.
Isn't Outlaw Sabre better than [Honed Stiletto of Agility]? Outlaw Sabre is +15 Attack Power
Great vid, thank you. What server are u playing on?
No crescent staff or wing blade honorable mentions?
We got the most boring build possible as usable to keep up with the dps... and frankly to do content. You can use the other runes but you feel... like its not enough, barely any sinergy in meele combat either. And in group content, well, you want to use the best so its easier... man. Whats next? More nerfs? My first chara was a hunter, but as I played it became... boring. Same ol vanilla pet do the job for me. No bottom pressing. No action.
Give it to blizz ngl, to not allow fun
I really hope they fix flanking strike
The 3 sec instant raptor would be nice also
Does slow weapon speed matter if we are BM and not using aimed shot?
Multi shot is nice for slow weaps too
Always amazing content per usual thank you!
Would you say steelarrow xbow is better than bael modan blunderbuss?
Nah. The dps on bael modan is super high. The only way xbow is better is if youre clipping aimed shots super hard or possibly extremely high movement fights.
@@Bigbobbedboi Thanks for the reply!
Bow of Plunder from the quest Dangerous in Tarren Mill is a god pre-raid, 11.3dps, 2.6 speed
Is it good enough?
@@j.a.n1047 Eh, I would say not really, but I got a Ranger Bow a few days after and it is certainly better.
@@GWRus77 ranger bow is worst? 😳
@@j.a.n1047 Ranger Bow is better than Bow of Plunder. Will likely cost ya around 20g from AH. But Bow of Plunder is not necessarily better than Venomstrike from WC, especially if you have 2 pieces of the Fang set from WC
@@GWRus77 and what do you think about ranger bow vs venom with 2 pieces
There is also a horde quest bow in Tarren Mill. You get it from the Dangerous quest.
How is that bow? Is it good?
Pretty good for a pre raid bow. Wasnt too hard to complete the dangerous quest with a buddy. The named guy in the town hall will be tricky to do solo.
Good Luck.
Great vid! Did my 1st raid today as hunter, top dmg in almost all bosses (without scorpion cheese), sadly lost the gun to the other hunter
Which pet did ya use? Any other tips?
I’m new to Hunter and cleared BFD first time yesterday. My damage was ok, but my parses were 50_60 level. Scorpid pet seemed strong still.
One thing I learned is I need to be using multi shot on cd even on boss fights.
Anything else you can help guide me with?
@@nickv3085 Keep serpent sting up, multi-shot on CD, and don't interrupt your auto attacks. Your auto attacks take priority over all else, and you weave your abilities in between them. Other than that, not much to say or do.
Great video!
Wdym?! There's a helm that drops horde side that sells for 60g~ atm on ally/horde - 8sta 9ag or similar.
WHERE IS "DIRE MINES"???
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Maybe some Shaman videos aswell?
What do you suggest for optimal pets?
Scorpid all the way
And windserpents
scorpion and wind best
@4:51 wtf is dead maul? u mean dead mines
rolling priest but I just like your vis
is it confirmed that 2 sharpening stones stack?
They don't even if you dual wield and apply 2
what pet bis?
Im not so much dissapointed by the nerfs, as much as unfixed bugs and generaly raw design of the new melee spec. I read a bit of blizzforums and many new and meme spec complaign about the same thing. Its almost like SoD was super rushed out to meet deadline, so tipical of blizzard.
Melee cleave hunter is amazing!
Is that even a thing without the promised 3 sec cd raptor strike and in combat trapping? It was really the reason I picked up hunter cause I wanted to play melee. Atm it's basically just vanilla hunter.
@@lfgubrs you get flanking and carve. I enjoy it for mobs since it hits like everything on a 6 cd in between flanking/raptor/mongoose plus your pet attacking as well.
Well that's it for me then. I was hoping melee hunters would be viable, but fuck it then, I am not playing braindead bm spec. Thing is, we don't even know if it's ever gonna be decent at least.
How many ways can you say Deadmines wrong?
My pets have been tanking bosses in BFD no problem 😂😂😂
Thx so much
Solid content
bro keep saying DIRE MINES instead of Deadmines and I'm pissed
Is bm gonna be viable in pvp or pve?
Melee hunter doesn't work? You haven't tested it. It does good damage 100+ and doesn't run out of mana
Do you need carve rune for that? And is it viable without 3 seconds cd on Raptor Strike and when you can't trap in combat? Classic range hunter still seems to be the most optimal sadly cause I was hyped to try melee hunter. That's the main reason I picked hunter for SoD in the first place. Maybe melee hunter will thrive in next phase.
very sad to see hunter didn't change anything in sod, no buffs on raptor strike no combat traps, melee hunter just a meme, blizzard itso so dishonest...
It was the reason i picked hunter for SoD cause was mega hyped to try melee hunter with 3 seconds raptor strike, combat traps, carve, flanking strike. Hopefully it will come.
Season of no luv for hunters lol
In "Dire Mines" lol
I literally could not keep it straight so it just became dire mines. I spent so many hours in dire maul north farming, that the name is permanently seared into my mind.
Cloth just gets that basic crafted helm
bizz wtf i lvl to 25 and not a single drop not even
6 slot bag wtf is this???
I could go hard it would be mm
why do non of you guys mention ranger bow????? edit :ranger not raptor
he literally mentions it in the video hello?
i meant ranger bow, i mistyped@@SanityPotion776
Overall i am confused how Blizzard decided this time to develope sod. Feels completly undiscouvered for them as well. Like a beta and untested. Did they not test at least 1 time what they are gonna Produce here? These nerfes are heavy. I saw a Video yesterday about hunters explosive shot. How damage it did before and after nerfs. U cannot tell me u oversee this when u tested this as a developer. Feels like the love is missing here and again it seems they underestitmated the community as well. So many players were and are interested In classic sod and got now some heavy boomers and nerfs and redesigns to accept. Thats not right. A game should make fun and not only money for the devs... Blizzard makes so much money and still it feels like putting not the money inside the game instead maybe in their own Pockets for endless holidays and so on. Dont know if its true but makes me sad. These blizzcons Sound often promissing but in fact are often only telling words with a smile on a face. Best time Was still for me wc3. Wc2 was ok but wc3 made the difference for me. Then came this mmorpg.... but i got so interested In the lore and Story because of wc3 that i wanted to know how it goes after that. Wished they would have done this different. But still... here i am, hoping they dont destroy this game completly, Playing the game and giving These "developers" more money over and over again. Give us some love back and care more about Ur game and the community Blizzard.
Great Video. Nice and chilly and on point.
The fact you have to do gimmick stuff to get “pre bis” is so dumb. With SOD Blizzard once again had a nice idea they failed to implement. Rather than make SOD engaging and fun for players you have to resort to gimmicky grinds like solo a dungeon to get “pre bis”. What a waste of time better of playing some other game.
i prior agy spirit over pure agy