@Dem0cr4ts are responsible for Jim Crow "As a girl I can with confidence say. This pants design looks cheap and unoriginal a f." Not a girl, but i can still completely agree. Not to mention being laughably impractical and constricting. There's good reason why people who need flexibility of movement don't wear jeans.
Wonder Woman is the reason I met my girlfriend. I was wearing a shirt with her on it swinging a sword and being a badass and this cute goth girl came over and asked if I actually liked the character or just the picture. I love Wonder Woman and led to a several hour conversation about her. we've been together for 13 years
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat no. Biker get up is ugly. If was temp is fine. If you say Batman or Superman start wearing that biker setup people will b**** about it. People were complaining of Superman wearing pants over his underwear.
Personally, my favorite interpretations of Wonder Woman are the designs that actually try to give her an Amazon aesthetic. The star-spangled bottoms were always weird to me, but I don’t mind the armored skirt.
When they lean more into her wrestler moves and what not I think the leotard works. When the story plays up her warrior attributes with the shield and sword then I prefer the skirt.
I love the star spangled briefs. It makes sense that she would dress like a superhero and not an Amazon. She left the island. Granted, she didn't design the armour, but it makes perfect sense that her aesthetic appeals to the American gaze where she's serving rather than the Amazon style of her culture. I like when she has more Amazonian outfits too, but star spangled briefs are a perfect microcosm of Diana's immigrant status and alienation from home.
@@zyaicob That's certainly an understandable viewpoint. However, I feel like even in DC we already have some pretty "American" heroes. Superman is obviously the first that comes to mind in that respect, though of course Stargirl and even Captain Atom can fit the mold as well. I'm of the opinion that Wonder Woman feels more interesting playing up the Amazonian aspect of her character (without the isolationist mindset, of course.) But that's just my personal preference. To each their own.
well dont forget WWs first iteration, was, in part, ww2 propaganda .. soo .. yeah .. bit of captain america in there, despite being from a lost greek island of girl only warriors :) comic logic eh :)
I think the problem with the costume change wasn’t the pants (I like the pants), it’s the leather jacket. Looks cool, but doesn’t really fit the character.
I would agree with you, but over the year I've learned not to overestimate comic fans. Peaple still get mad by Sally Acorn redesign from the Archie Sonic post reboot. Because it had a closed jacket instead of an open one where you can see her racoon boobs.
I have loved the battle skirt thing they’ve been doing, it isn’t too much of a change from the original and Keeps the same idea but it is a little less revealing than the tights and looks more practical and reminds me of the battle skirt thingies you’d see soldiers from like Rome and Greece wear (which is also thematic considering wonder woman’s origin)
Was about to comment on pants / shorts not making sense for a character originated in Ancient Greece (or at least heavily influenced by their culture), so I'll simply like your comment instead. Battle skirt for the win.
Look at Wonder Woman's very first appearance in the 1940s; she wore a rather lengthy skirt, but the original artist had changed that to a pair of shorts shortly afterwards in order to make it easier to draw Diana.
I know, right?! How come it took so long for it to happened. More so with her Greek background and the fact that Xena already wore it and the character was based on her. ...in fact, they did make a crossover comic with both of them.
or different sets of outfits reserved for specific occasions and events. like Iron Man having different suits each with its own unique and specific functions.
People are just tired of them trying to "MAN UP" EVERY SINGLE ICONIC FEMALE CHARACTER. Just do some research and you'll see what I mean. This is not unique to Wonder woman. AND AMAZONS DO NOT WEAR PANTS. Every ACTUAL old-school comic fan knows this
@@michaelquaid4679 Yeah. Cassie and Donna (at least in some of her origins) at least have the excuse of having been born and raised in America, so of course it would make sense for them to wear pants, since they come from a country where lots of people wear them.
Honestly I would say a armored skirt works for her perfectly, since you get a clear idea that she’s from a different time were wearing armor was common place well also fitting with her culture.😺
The armored skirt is by far my favorite. It also gives more variety to the silhouettes, since so many of the hero’s have pants or leotards and the few with skirts also frequently have a cape or bared midriff.
Honestly my favorite rendition of the Wonder Woman outfit is Live action one. It’s practical yet it’s comic accurate. Really you could just brighten the colors and put a few stars on the skirt to make really good. Still confused why people got so mad over Wonder Woman and her having or not having to cover up, that’s pretty dumb
I hated the costumes of Wonder Woman 1984, and I hated the entire film of Wonder Woman 1984 unlike whenever I watched Film Red in theaters, and I loved everything about that film more so than Wonder Woman 1984.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Isn't the costume in WW84 exactly the same as the one from BVS and the 2017 solo movie, just in brighter colors(and sans sword and shield) just as OP said?
@@foldabotZ , I was referring to how Wonder Woman 1984 gave Wonder Woman knockoff HawkGirl armor, and they made Cheetah look like a knockoff of Marvel’s Tigra, so it’s one of the many many reasons on why I refuse to watch any Wonder Woman films made after the 2017 Wonder Woman film.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Well, The gold winged armor is something Diana does have in the comics and Cheetah(Barbara Minerva) looks the same in the comics as well.
@@foldabotZ , I’ve watched every version of the animated films and tv series of Cheetah, and those versions looks more like her comic book counterpart than the 1984 film, but you could be right about Wonder Woman also making Nth metal armor with Golden plating because I haven’t read all of the Wonder Woman comics because I’ve never been a fan of Wonder Woman outside of the animated film Justice League Gods and Monsters and the 2017 Wonder Woman film.
Honestly the version in the DCEU with the whole Gladiator Skirt is perfect. It’s definitely the perfect most well received appearance of hers and I have to assume so considering that the comics have adopted the look that she has wore in the DCEU since Batman V Superman. I do think Pants on her looks weird considering how even my Mom knows Wonder Woman as wearing “a swimsuit” but I think the gladiator skirt fits her well
She was already wearig a battle skirt in the comics a few years before her appearance in the cinema. The movie just solidified even more,so now every interpretation has battle skirts and some like DC super hero girls make it look even more like a armor.
Honestly to me, whether wonder woman has pants, a skirt, or exposed to legs is very much a non-factor to me. I’m very open to superheroes having multiple different interpretations of their costumes, in fact I love re-designing characters and analyzing official ones, the only thing that matters to me is whether or not I think it looks good or matches the character. I love her designs from justice league unlimited, rebirth, injustice, and the new 52 armor to look for several different reasons but the thing that makes them work for me is that I can look at them all and say “yes, that is Wonder Woman“.
The thing with Wonder Woman in particular wearing pants the debates comes with the fact that a a tight costume don´t favor her fighting style. It limits her. I also HATE when they have her wearing cape. I get it if it´s for a formal ocassion, a fight starts and she deals with it for a moment. But in plenty og times in Rebirth she had the cape all the time and did not take it off.
As someone who enjoys the business side of comics you should check out the fact that every single time they’ve put Wonder Woman in pants (wether it worked aesthetically or not) her sales would fall. It’s why the pants never stuck around for more than a year. Might make an interesting topic for a follow up video.
I mean that's basically why so many females are sexualized in comics and other visual media. Statistically more men consume visual media than women, which seems to always be left out of this whole debate. Inversely more women consume literature which is why the female erotica market is booming where as male erotica is harder to find. And romance is the most popular genre in the world. Which is why even action movies often have it as a side plot.
Sometimes it was more about how comic was written different such as taking away her superpowers. They gave the Black Hawks superpowers but comics were soon canceled after that people were use to them without superpowers. Even though I bought them both ways.
Speaking of Tron Superboy, I would love to see a video with HIS costume history because oh my god it's a ride. It's kind of fascinating how his costume journey is reflected in how his character is written, especially when it... really shouldn't have (ie Teen Titans t-shirt Kon). You can really tell what flavour of Superboy you're getting just based on his outfit. I'm happy that recent issues have brought back leather jacket 90s Superboy as even if it's a bit of a fashion disaster it gives him so much heart.
I liked the Titans era Superboy (and love the YJ cartoon version for all it's differences) but it was such a huge shift. From a kid totally on board with 90s comics over accessorizing, to the most basic of costume idea. Kon got a total reinvention.
I only grew up with the DC shows on Cartoon Network so I never knew how good Superboy could’ve looked until I randomly decided to search his name on google. We could’ve had it all with the leather jacket but instead, YJ gave basic instead.
@@theonewhorandomlypopsupeve1995 if you go back to the season 1 Halloween episode Mal wears the 90's superboy outfit But yeah I never understood why he didn't at least change the shirt when he became a public superhero
I remember saying that it was so unnecessary for Starfire to appear half Jude all the time. Her having to be nude mostly just so she can get more sunlight for her Tameranian biology? People argued with me that she had to be that way. I have a counter argument during that time saying and I quote: “Really? If she needs to do that because if she doesn’t she will die, than why is there coincidentally no male Tameranians that need to show more skin to do the same thing?” It was written that way for Starfire for the male gaze and people in the comment section accused me of being gay saying that I wanted male Tameranians to appear nude the same way. That was clearly not my case, I just said that I have proof that Starfire was written and designed that way because if she had to be that way then that means all Tameranians had to be that way as well; but since their isn’t male Tameranians that are like that, it’s obvious that she was designed for male gaze. So no one can argue with me that Starfire had to be more nude or else she dies; that argument isn’t going to work on me.
@@ContagiousSponge makes sense for her? Yeah because the creators made it work that way as an excuse for her to appear nude most of the time. If that’s the case, how come there are somehow coincidentally no male Tameranians that do the same? I am not gay, I am just saying. No one can give me a counter argument on that be my point proves that an absence of male ones doing the same and only the female, proves this character was designed that way for the male gaze.
@@Jodykang I am not going to view women as just sex objects. Last time I checked women have more value than that. You should consider enjoying the character behind the character, not the design so one of your hands can have a good time. 🙄
I prefer no pants, but never had an issue with that costume. I think the pants kind of take away from the iconic superhero costume look. Like taking away Superman's trunks or cape. Which they keep trying to do, and it never works.
The Biker jacket was the weird part for me. Not to mention this was a reboot of Wonder Woman just a few years before the New52 reboot so it was a confusing time for Wonder Woman.
I always like the more Greek/Spartan look like the did in the movies. It looks practical and also calls back to her mythological origins as well as pays homage to the original costume.
@@marcelo-ramos Well, the designs for the new M&Ms looks exactly the same as the old ones, but just added some sleeves. Plus, Tucker Carlson is at it again with the M&Ms, didn't he?
Cis woman here who is a huge feminist and I wanna give my two cents here There is NOTHING wrong with the way Wonder Woman dresses Imo. It's less about her character design and more about how she's written and how whatever medium she's in portrays her. If Wonder Woman is written as.. you know, a strong, independent warrior who absolutely revels in fights and poses a threat to the enemies, that's great! The issue rises when writers start applying too much of the male gaze on her by writing sexual jokes which are completely out of left field or giving WW like 50 ass or boobs shots, that's bad. That's what I DON'T want. Just writer her like any other character and keep her outfit realistically modest (I do think that the panties are a bit too impractical- she'd easily get a wedgie while fighting! Shorts or a Skort would do better for her) Again, Wonder Woman should represent female empowerment and we also need female empowerment for women who enjoy dressing more femininely with skin revealing clothing! Those women deserve good representation too without being called wh*res or sl*ts for dressing so! But that's my opinion. Pants or no pants, Wonder Woman is always gorgeous to me :)
I think the reason Jim Lee's pants design don't work is because they're just pants. The don't match anything from rest of her costume. Color blocking wise the focus just goes to her torso. The DCyou design works better because it flows well with the rest. Another good pants design is the Stan Lee's Wonder Woman design which was also designed by Jim Lee I think. It's not perfect but works better that WW 600.
Funny thing. This same complaint happened to a character in a video game called Paladins: Champions of the Realm. The character in question is named Furia, an angelic woman who originally had exposed thighs. The community was split in two on having pants and others being keep it original. The studio Evil Mojo, which is under Hi-Rez, went and used the exposed thighs on an alternate skin that looks more like an fallen angel while the main colored one had her legs covered up. Really funny how people can act over a fictional character.
>sees title and thumbnail Wait, what? People was upset about that? Meanwhile you had Superman and Batman being devoid of his trunks for a good 8 to 9 years. 7:02 I always prefer this suit.
You can’t have the Superman costume without the trunks tho. It doesn’t work and if the costume doesn’t work Superman doesn’t work. For Wonderwoman I always thought she should have a skirt kinda thing like in the movies. I mean she supposed to be a warrior.
@@shroomer8294 Couldn't you call any other superhero a warrior? Why would she need that tiny bit of armor plating when she can deflect bullets and lasers with her wrists? Also, the skirt isn't a classic look. Imagine if the original DCAU Wonder Woman had the skirt. It wouldn't mesh with that masterpiece of a Justice League series.
@@shroomer8294 that's literally just your opinion, I can clearly tell Supes without trunks on the outside is still just Supes, it doesn't magically change his character
I stopped liking Comics Drake’s videos after he defended Amber in the Invincible tv series, and for some reason UA-cam keeps recommending him to my UA-cam feed even though I don’t watch any videos relating to his content at all.
Biggest problem with "modernizing" wonderwoman is that she's an amazonian, her entire culture is different and her outfit works well with that. I get the idea of women still being able to be attractive and strong to be good, but here its different, its more keeping the amazonian roots (from a culture that wouldnt think that outfit is contraversial) so changing the design is only pandering to people who arent even reading the comics. I agree with the battle skirt tho, the greek (or roman i suck at geography) style skirt is a solid resign choice, which the movie probably got the best when it comes to blending it in with modern tones in comics, not too loud or colorful but it doesnt take away from her character. We can all agree that a biker jacket was a bad call.
The Armored Skirt ultimately makes the most sense to me. She retains her original look while still updating it to be as practical as it can be while still showing her legs. At least her bracelets can block almost anything anyways.
Precisely. She´s an Amazon warrior. As such she has a distinctive fighting style that needs for her to be able to move freely. Something that tight pants don´t let it function.
The jeans and biker jacket look is cute and would look great as street wear, as opposed to a superhero costume. It would work quite well, imo, as out of costume clothing for when she’s not intentionally on the job or whatever. I can see why it was taken so poorly, though. As a costume it’s pretty awful.
I think part of it may be fans are just so used to a certain, basic look. Traditionally, Wonder Woman showed her legs along with her shoulders and cleavage. It's kinda her trademark and it's an iconic look. Hence the negative reaction to such a drastic change in appearance. I think a lot of fans would also feel the same if, let's say, Black Widow changed over to a skimpy, skin baring costume as opposed to her iconic catsuit that covered her from neck to toe. I heard when Susan Storm wore a skimpy FF outfit for a while in the 90's, it wasn't well received. Fans were just not used to seeing her like that. The same negative reception also happened to Vampirella when she got a major costume overhaul. The classic red skimpy outfit was replaced with an outfit that made her look like Claire Redfield from Resident Evil. Needless to say, that was soon dropped, and her classic look was restored.
I mean her costume has always made sense to me since it’s basically a female version of Greek hoplite army like give her a helmet and some under clothes you got a female hoplite
Wonder Woman was originally designed wearing a Skirt. She is teh most recognizeble Superheroine wearing skirts and briefs actually, and one of the few Superheroines that , STILL showing her legs. Dont take that from her
Honestly it's a better outfit and makes far more sense combat-wise. It's flexible, breathable while offering actually protection. It makes far less sense that every other member of the JL would have full clothes and she wouldn't.
I disagree, she is an Amazon warrior so I think the DCEU looking is perfect because it’s like a battle skirt they use to wear in ancient times and I feel like pants don’t match her armors and she doesn’t really need protection she is a god.
I honestly have more issue with her using an all american costume with star and everything than her having pants, I feel one of the better ideas is to keep her with that waist battle skirt (sorry for not knowing the name) that romans and greeks are depicted using
I always thought it made more sense for her to wear an armoured skirt because it resembles what greek and roman soldiers wore, it was something I really loved about her costume in the DCU movie.
Looking back on all that my feelings pretty much remain the same. For me Wonder Woman's costume should be something the other Amazons would design and wear, so as long as the other Amazon's more pants, I was more than fine with Wonder Woman wearing pants like in Morrison's WW Earth One series. As far as the armored skirt she's been rocking recently goes, I don't consider that a "happy middle ground" I consider that a MASSIVE UPGRADE because now she looks even more like a Greek Amazonian Warrior than ever before. I pretty much share your feelings on the Jim Lee jean jacket redesign. However that DCYOU Baraka spike redesign, I never hated it but I never really liked it either, it's always kinda bugged me I'm not 100 percent sure why, maybe it just doesn't look enough like a Greek warrior outfit to me
@@SuperEasywalker yep and speaking of armor I just noticed something about myself, even though I prefer the armored skirt, if Wonder Woman is going to wear full body armor I prefer the Gal Gadot 1984 Gold armor look over the Kingdom Come original cuz I feel that costume looks better with the armored pants from the movie than the armored skirt from the comic
I like the armored skirt, personally. Makes me think of Spartans. But all in all, Wonder Woman and Batman are two characters that change their costumes so much that I won't complain so as long as it works. Superman, however, is another story....
My opinion is that anytime any character changes their appearance (especially if it's a big change) there will be backlash. For example Spiderman's black suit got quite a bit of backlash when it was first introduced. So much so that the writers had to change him back the the red and blue suit. Luckily for all of us they handled that plotline really well and in the process created one of Spiderman's most iconic villains.
The original iteration of Wonder Woman was said to wear culottes; basically a split skirt or flare legged shorts. Wikipedia says: "Culottes are an item of clothing worn on the lower half of the body. The term can refer to either split skirts, historical men's breeches, or women's under-pants;..." Additionally: "The French word culotte is (a pair of) panties, pants, knickers, trousers, shorts, or (historically) breeches derived from the French word culot, meaning the lower half of a thing, the lower garment in this case."
I was there when it happened live, it was all over comic sites, and with sonmuch hate and backlash... And then there was me who actually liked the look, and the pants. Through 2011, when they popped up in that failed WW pilot, and in the New 52 covers, I thought they found a good middle ground, but nope, no pants. Not it's just the battle skirt in everything, it's fine, but I would like to see a new pants redesign.
I don't see what's so bad about it to make most people mad. It's just different fashions that are given to superheroes. Kind of like different attire to wrestlers. That or just anybody that needs change. Different attire can be good on superheroes and villains as well if you want change.
The pants aren't the problem. The Roman battle skirt thing is cool and practical, I don't like the swimsuit bottom as much, but still at least mostly practical, but the pants are cool too (i hate the black pants though, the good pants are the ones in the first injustice game). The problem is the heels. I hate them, they make no sense, she needs fighting shoes, not heels.
"make more relatable" One of the most epic stupidities possible... It really should be insulting to people that mediamakers think people cannot relate to characters unless they're near identical.
To me, I didn't really mind the pants as it was a way to move the character forward in the new century. I mean they removed the underwear outside the costume from the male heroes, so why not give her pants? Marvel was able to change the look of Namorita of the New Warriors years later instead being constantly walking around like a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Model all the time.
Ngl I don't think there can be a costume change worse than getting rid of Superman's red underwear, I don't care if it "looks dumb" it makes the costume work
Wonder womans leg-baring outfit looks extremely feminine while the character herself is respected and powerful. It can be cheesecake or it can be a confident adult woman who chooses to exude feminine beauty when and how she wants. Similar to how you shouldnt leer at a woman but also shouldnt tell her what to wear, or women who want to go topless in public but not be judged for it. It is a difficult issue, not nitpicking or crass sexualization, and it exposes a lot of the difficulty in any conversation about gender equality.
It might be worth looking up comic characters like Cosmic Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes, especially his outfits for the 1970s and 1980s. There's the 1940s character Firebrand who wore a see-through silk shirt (the woman who took over that identity also wore a see-through silk shirt, but over a swimsuit-style top). Revealing costumes have been available for more people than Wonder Woman and the actors that portrayed them. The 'mod-karate' wonder woman was a copy of the then current 'superspy' outfit, that was also done with Black Widow's outfit, not her first, but the one that has lasted down the decades.
I wasn't a fan of the David Finch design but it was leagues above Jim Lee. Like you mentioned, it felt like the Lee version could be slapped on literally any other street-level character in DC or Marvel. And honestly, I like the current version with the skirt as it keeps in line with her Grecian roots
Personally I don't hate the pants. I wasn't the biggest fan of the leather jacket, it just didn't sit right. Some characters look good in a leather jacket. Black Canary, Zatanna, Cassie Sandmark etc. Your body is a car, how you dress is the appearance of said car.
Here is the thing with established characters of long time running series and their costumes. You can change the color scheme or the design, but not both. The character still has to be recognizable from a glance by the average viewer. Change too much and the character is either unrecognizable to the established fan base or even worse the character looks too much like another character in their own universe.
I like the pants, my reason for not liking outfits like wonder woman's or powergirl's isn't just my taste tho i did really like supergirl's but my taste aside the reason i don't like leotard type outfits like there's is because in real life those things would slide around way more then some people might think so anytime Wonder woman goes to kick someone she likely end up flashing her "lady bits" its just not practical really she should wear something that doesn't impact leg movement and doesn't show "too much" something akin to yoga pants but not yoga pants because that would be dumb
I have a real soft spot for the current iteration of Diana's armor. From all the way back in the 90s when I was very young and first collecting comics, it always bothered me that her "armor" was depicted as a one-piece swimsuit with American flag iconography. I like that it looks much more in tune with what an Amazon ambassador/warrior would wear.
I like the 2010 design but im an edgelord lol. also, while we are greatly improving in the area of feminine sexuality in media. I think when it comes to how we talk about male sexuality and male desire we are more prudish than we have ever been. "this character was designed in a way that men enjoy and can fantasise over? EVIL!" like, am i the only one who thinks men have more than one brain mode at a time and can find someone sexy while also respecting them?
I really gotta question why the hell whenever a woman in fiction gets more clothing, people start coming out of the shadows to start claiming "censorship" or that it somehow goes against the character in some way. Hell, it even happened with Mortal Kombat 11 of all things. Like, there's much more serious things to be angry about yet people choose to get mad over fictional women not showing enough skin...
Some guys feel personally attacked when their fantasies aren't catered to specifically. They worry that giving into even the most mundane of "feminist" criticisms will lead to the comics losing it's identity and just being the characters giving left wing talking points instead of adventuring. While some overcorrections do happen (in all media), usually these reaction way out of proportion to the change proposed. Basically it's an obsessive stop of the slippery slope to prevent "SJW Cringe" instead of just changing things in a way that's less catered to male fanservice. Personally I don't get it from an in-universe perspective: Superheroes and MK characters get thrown through concrete all the time, If anything they should be wearing thick work/tactical pants or motorcycle gear all the time to prevent road rash.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 If the female character is wearing a sexy outfit, like Wonder Woman with the blue panties with white stars like the 1990s designs were, or Kitana with the sexy outfit she wore in the 2005 game Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance that was sexier than the outfits in the later Mortal Kombat games, that can give the guy great ideas for something sexy for a gal he likes to wear something like that for him.
I love the 2015 armored look, but my one issue is that it looks too much like big Barda. Maybe some backstory, like she visits Barda and upgrades her gear? IDK
Wait, Wonder Woman too? I knew about the backlash to Chun-Li wearing sweatpants, which is dumb because they're sweatpants, stretchy and easy to kick with and really not much different from her tights. Also, she wore sweatpants in SFAlpha and no one complained (it was probably a reflection of the fact that her original design was meant to have pants) and no one ever cared about Cammy getting pants in Wreck-it Ralph or with the Jill Valentine costume in SFV. It's almost as though it has nothing to do with the sweatpants in this case too.
Well I mean the Wreck-it-Ralph thing was just a cameo and a background gag. Nothing more. Also I’m pretty sure it’s just due to the fact that a lotta people are just more emotional now for some reason
Worst thing I can say about Wonder Woman in pants is that sometimes the outfit looks weird compared to how I’m used, but it still works as long as it’s not bad, just make the costume not bad, she can still be sexy and strong just don’t make her an object or look like crap, writers
I will never understand how people look at Wonder Woman and see her as nothing more than a sexual icon. I'm saying this as a man so I can't act like I know entirely what the right perception of her is or how women perceive her, but I associate WW so much as a symbol of empowerment and speaking out against oppressive society, that it actually feels gross and sick for me ever attempting to see her in a lustful manner and makes me even more uncomfortable when other people do it. For example let's swap perspectives: you wouldn't look at Captain America as only this hunked up beef cake would you?
That’s good. If I had to guess its likely because her most iconic costume is basically a onesie swimsuit. I know they say don’t judge a book by its cover but that’s more then likely the first costume people think of when they think of Wonder Woman.
Damn, I make one audible slip up and y'all are not going to let me hear the end of it. 😂
@Dem0cr4ts are responsible for Jim Crow not really
Learn how to count he had 2 arms and 2 legs to start with and only grew 4 more arms. So didn't even have 8 arms total.
@@hydrolito Yeah, obviously. It was a small slip up when I was in the recording booth. It's not that deep.
@Dem0cr4ts are responsible for Jim Crow "As a girl I can with confidence say. This pants design looks cheap and unoriginal a f."
Not a girl, but i can still completely agree. Not to mention being laughably impractical and constricting. There's good reason why people who need flexibility of movement don't wear jeans.
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Wonder Woman is the reason I met my girlfriend. I was wearing a shirt with her on it swinging a sword and being a badass and this cute goth girl came over and asked if I actually liked the character or just the picture. I love Wonder Woman and led to a several hour conversation about her. we've been together for 13 years
Pretty fuckin wholesome
That's Beautiful my guy💯
That's adorable.
One of the few times I won’t say some insecure joke about love I hope y’all have a wonderful life
I'll take things that didnt happen for 50 bucks alex
whats funny is its kind of proof that a person with enough popularity cant wear pants without someone overanalyzing it or making a controversy over it
You dont have to be popular for a crowd of people to tell you to wear pants.
“Kind of proof”
I feel like this is only true of women though
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat no. Biker get up is ugly. If was temp is fine. If you say Batman or Superman start wearing that biker setup people will b**** about it. People were complaining of Superman wearing pants over his underwear.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat you try walking around without any pants and see how big of a deal it becomes to everyone.
Personally, my favorite interpretations of Wonder Woman are the designs that actually try to give her an Amazon aesthetic. The star-spangled bottoms were always weird to me, but I don’t mind the armored skirt.
Me too! I feel like her current costume lacks focus sometimes. I liked how they leaned into the skirt
When they lean more into her wrestler moves and what not I think the leotard works. When the story plays up her warrior attributes with the shield and sword then I prefer the skirt.
I love the star spangled briefs. It makes sense that she would dress like a superhero and not an Amazon. She left the island. Granted, she didn't design the armour, but it makes perfect sense that her aesthetic appeals to the American gaze where she's serving rather than the Amazon style of her culture.
I like when she has more Amazonian outfits too, but star spangled briefs are a perfect microcosm of Diana's immigrant status and alienation from home.
@@zyaicob That's certainly an understandable viewpoint. However, I feel like even in DC we already have some pretty "American" heroes. Superman is obviously the first that comes to mind in that respect, though of course Stargirl and even Captain Atom can fit the mold as well. I'm of the opinion that Wonder Woman feels more interesting playing up the Amazonian aspect of her character (without the isolationist mindset, of course.)
But that's just my personal preference. To each their own.
well dont forget WWs first iteration, was, in part, ww2 propaganda .. soo .. yeah .. bit of captain america in there, despite being from a lost greek island of girl only warriors :) comic logic eh :)
I think the problem with the costume change wasn’t the pants (I like the pants), it’s the leather jacket. Looks cool, but doesn’t really fit the character.
Agree and I'm one of the few who really liked the '90s biker Diana costume.
Yep it would be like Batman suit is changed from black to green with no reason given.
@@wdcain1 I like it too, it just doesn’t work as a main outfit for the Greek Mythology-based character
I would agree with you, but over the year I've learned not to overestimate comic fans. Peaple still get mad by Sally Acorn redesign from the Archie Sonic post reboot. Because it had a closed jacket instead of an open one where you can see her racoon boobs.
@@Joenah5 a cape works better for covering her up yet still being mythical
I have loved the battle skirt thing they’ve been doing, it isn’t too much of a change from the original and Keeps the same idea but it is a little less revealing than the tights and looks more practical and reminds me of the battle skirt thingies you’d see soldiers from like Rome and Greece wear (which is also thematic considering wonder woman’s origin)
It also makes sense
@@enigmatic2878 right?!?
Was about to comment on pants / shorts not making sense for a character originated in Ancient Greece (or at least heavily influenced by their culture), so I'll simply like your comment instead. Battle skirt for the win.
Look at Wonder Woman's very first appearance in the 1940s; she wore a rather lengthy skirt, but the original artist had changed that to a pair of shorts shortly afterwards in order to make it easier to draw Diana.
Yes ,agreed ,it actually reminds me of ""The 300"" , ah Frank Miller , , , ,👍👍👽
As a brit, this argument is even more hilarious. I mean, she already wears pants
Trousers then. Many years ago, a British born girl informed me that "pants" was British terminology for underwear.
@@saiberunato don't listen to the brits, they are a dying breed, let them frollic on their island.
They generally call those short shorts which she wore before.
@@saiberunato Some call them undershorts and some call them underpants even in The United States.
The gladiator style battle skirt is my favorite look for her, and makes the most sense for her character.
I know, right?! How come it took so long for it to happened. More so with her Greek background and the fact that Xena already wore it and the character was based on her.
...in fact, they did make a crossover comic with both of them.
I like the pants and no pants. Can she wear them just for winter? I’m deeply worried her in the cold winter
True, true.
or different sets of outfits reserved for specific occasions and events. like Iron Man having different suits each with its own unique and specific functions.
She doesn’t get cold
Harley Quinn got out of the snow while she shows more skin in her own show.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 good point
Wonder Woman is probably the only person who makes people angrier by actually wearing pants instead of NOT wearing them. 😂
Well, when you put it like that ... 😂
People are just tired of them trying to "MAN UP" EVERY SINGLE ICONIC FEMALE CHARACTER.
Just do some research and you'll see what I mean. This is not unique to Wonder woman.
AND AMAZONS DO NOT WEAR PANTS.
Every ACTUAL old-school comic fan knows this
@@michaelquaid4679
Yeah. Cassie and Donna (at least in some of her origins) at least have the excuse of having been born and raised in America, so of course it would make sense for them to wear pants, since they come from a country where lots of people wear them.
@@eon1014 yep
@@michaelquaid4679 youre mad bc wonder woman isnt the femmest fem to ever fem?
Honestly I would say a armored skirt works for her perfectly, since you get a clear idea that she’s from a different time were wearing armor was common place well also fitting with her culture.😺
Yeah I think it definitely works best for her. Works well for her warrior aesthetic.
Plus it definitely fits similar to like Xena Warrior Princess
The armored skirt is by far my favorite. It also gives more variety to the silhouettes, since so many of the hero’s have pants or leotards and the few with skirts also frequently have a cape or bared midriff.
Prefer her shorts but it is what it is
Yeah plus it goes perfect with her culture since she's supposed to be Greco-Roman
Honestly my favorite rendition of the Wonder Woman outfit is Live action one. It’s practical yet it’s comic accurate. Really you could just brighten the colors and put a few stars on the skirt to make really good. Still confused why people got so mad over Wonder Woman and her having or not having to cover up, that’s pretty dumb
I hated the costumes of Wonder Woman 1984, and I hated the entire film of Wonder Woman 1984 unlike whenever I watched Film Red in theaters, and I loved everything about that film more so than Wonder Woman 1984.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Isn't the costume in WW84 exactly the same as the one from BVS and the 2017 solo movie, just in brighter colors(and sans sword and shield) just as OP said?
@@foldabotZ , I was referring to how Wonder Woman 1984 gave Wonder Woman knockoff HawkGirl armor, and they made Cheetah look like a knockoff of Marvel’s Tigra, so it’s one of the many many reasons on why I refuse to watch any Wonder Woman films made after the 2017 Wonder Woman film.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Well, The gold winged armor is something Diana does have in the comics and Cheetah(Barbara Minerva) looks the same in the comics as well.
@@foldabotZ , I’ve watched every version of the animated films and tv series of Cheetah, and those versions looks more like her comic book counterpart than the 1984 film, but you could be right about Wonder Woman also making Nth metal armor with Golden plating because I haven’t read all of the Wonder Woman comics because I’ve never been a fan of Wonder Woman outside of the animated film Justice League Gods and Monsters and the 2017 Wonder Woman film.
Honestly the version in the DCEU with the whole Gladiator Skirt is perfect. It’s definitely the perfect most well received appearance of hers and I have to assume so considering that the comics have adopted the look that she has wore in the DCEU since Batman V Superman. I do think Pants on her looks weird considering how even my Mom knows Wonder Woman as wearing “a swimsuit” but I think the gladiator skirt fits her well
She was already wearig a battle skirt in the comics a few years before her appearance in the cinema.
The movie just solidified even more,so now every interpretation has battle skirts and some like DC super hero girls make it look even more like a armor.
I'd love to know just who in the world are the people who loathe Wonder Woman...
for wearing pants...
Just some weirdos.
Exactly
The people giving her pants are probably the same cunts who raceswap well established characters.
Horny weirdos
Honestly to me, whether wonder woman has pants, a skirt, or exposed to legs is very much a non-factor to me. I’m very open to superheroes having multiple different interpretations of their costumes, in fact I love re-designing characters and analyzing official ones, the only thing that matters to me is whether or not I think it looks good or matches the character.
I love her designs from justice league unlimited, rebirth, injustice, and the new 52 armor to look for several different reasons but the thing that makes them work for me is that I can look at them all and say “yes, that is Wonder Woman“.
Exactly
Funny thing is who would complain about her not wearing pants lol
The thing with Wonder Woman in particular wearing pants the debates comes with the fact that a a tight costume don´t favor her fighting style. It limits her.
I also HATE when they have her wearing cape. I get it if it´s for a formal ocassion, a fight starts and she deals with it for a moment. But in plenty og times in Rebirth she had the cape all the time and did not take it off.
As someone who enjoys the business side of comics you should check out the fact that every single time they’ve put Wonder Woman in pants (wether it worked aesthetically or not) her sales would fall. It’s why the pants never stuck around for more than a year. Might make an interesting topic for a follow up video.
Yeah people tend to forget that comics are male dominated. I think it was a failed attempt at getting more women readers
I mean that's basically why so many females are sexualized in comics and other visual media. Statistically more men consume visual media than women, which seems to always be left out of this whole debate. Inversely more women consume literature which is why the female erotica market is booming where as male erotica is harder to find. And romance is the most popular genre in the world. Which is why even action movies often have it as a side plot.
Sometimes it was more about how comic was written different such as taking away her superpowers. They gave the Black Hawks superpowers but comics were soon canceled after that people were use to them without superpowers. Even though I bought them both ways.
@@darksideofevil13 Women consume more than men though in most industries. There’s nothing really left out of the conversation
*Correction:* Spiderman had SIX _not_ eight arms
that and he only grew _four._ two of the six were already present.
Forgot count the leg as arm lol
@@madladdie7069 you're right, on a technicality
Plus two legs which equals 8 limbs like a spider.
So he was an insect instead of an arachnid?
Speaking of Tron Superboy, I would love to see a video with HIS costume history because oh my god it's a ride. It's kind of fascinating how his costume journey is reflected in how his character is written, especially when it... really shouldn't have (ie Teen Titans t-shirt Kon). You can really tell what flavour of Superboy you're getting just based on his outfit. I'm happy that recent issues have brought back leather jacket 90s Superboy as even if it's a bit of a fashion disaster it gives him so much heart.
I liked the Titans era Superboy (and love the YJ cartoon version for all it's differences) but it was such a huge shift. From a kid totally on board with 90s comics over accessorizing, to the most basic of costume idea. Kon got a total reinvention.
Even as a fan of YJ I've always hated the shirt and pants combo. It's too casual to me and not enough Superhero
The 90's fit with the round sunglasses is awesome. Really sells the idea of "New" edgy/ Corporate Superman/boy.
I only grew up with the DC shows on Cartoon Network so I never knew how good Superboy could’ve looked until I randomly decided to search his name on google. We could’ve had it all with the leather jacket but instead, YJ gave basic instead.
@@theonewhorandomlypopsupeve1995 if you go back to the season 1 Halloween episode Mal wears the 90's superboy outfit
But yeah I never understood why he didn't at least change the shirt when he became a public superhero
I remember saying that it was so unnecessary for Starfire to appear half Jude all the time. Her having to be nude mostly just so she can get more sunlight for her Tameranian biology? People argued with me that she had to be that way. I have a counter argument during that time saying and I quote: “Really? If she needs to do that because if she doesn’t she will die, than why is there coincidentally no male Tameranians that need to show more skin to do the same thing?” It was written that way for Starfire for the male gaze and people in the comment section accused me of being gay saying that I wanted male Tameranians to appear nude the same way. That was clearly not my case, I just said that I have proof that Starfire was written and designed that way because if she had to be that way then that means all Tameranians had to be that way as well; but since their isn’t male Tameranians that are like that, it’s obvious that she was designed for male gaze. So no one can argue with me that Starfire had to be more nude or else she dies; that argument isn’t going to work on me.
That actually makes sense for her, except for the dying part
I've heard this argument and counter that male Tamarians do barely wear anything from an old Pérez/Wolfman issue.
@@ContagiousSponge makes sense for her? Yeah because the creators made it work that way as an excuse for her to appear nude most of the time. If that’s the case, how come there are somehow coincidentally no male Tameranians that do the same? I am not gay, I am just saying. No one can give me a counter argument on that be my point proves that an absence of male ones doing the same and only the female, proves this character was designed that way for the male gaze.
See I actually agree with you.
The people calling you gay just have nothing better to say but still want to say something
@@Jodykang I am not going to view women as just sex objects. Last time I checked women have more value than that. You should consider enjoying the character behind the character, not the design so one of your hands can have a good time. 🙄
I prefer no pants, but never had an issue with that costume. I think the pants kind of take away from the iconic superhero costume look. Like taking away Superman's trunks or cape. Which they keep trying to do, and it never works.
I actually like when she had the pants and jacket. It was a nice shake up, even though it was more of a wonder girl or Donna troy get up.
Exactly
The Biker jacket was the weird part for me. Not to mention this was a reboot of Wonder Woman just a few years before the New52 reboot so it was a confusing time for Wonder Woman.
I always like the more Greek/Spartan look like the did in the movies. It looks practical and also calls back to her mythological origins as well as pays homage to the original costume.
This reminds me of that time when people get outraged over Minnie Mouse wearing pants instead of a skirt when this isn't the first time she wears it.
@@marcelo-ramos Well, the designs for the new M&Ms looks exactly the same as the old ones, but just added some sleeves. Plus, Tucker Carlson is at it again with the M&Ms, didn't he?
Don't forget the controversy over Chun-Li 's sweatpants in SF6 even though she had sweatpants in Alpha
Well there are supposedly quite a few Minnie Mouse with pants in Disney. It's called feminists.
Wait Minnie Mouse wore Pants? Since when
@@danielkeller1337 A woman wearing pants isn't feminism, it's fashion sense.
Cis woman here who is a huge feminist and I wanna give my two cents here
There is NOTHING wrong with the way Wonder Woman dresses Imo. It's less about her character design and more about how she's written and how whatever medium she's in portrays her. If Wonder Woman is written as.. you know, a strong, independent warrior who absolutely revels in fights and poses a threat to the enemies, that's great! The issue rises when writers start applying too much of the male gaze on her by writing sexual jokes which are completely out of left field or giving WW like 50 ass or boobs shots, that's bad. That's what I DON'T want. Just writer her like any other character and keep her outfit realistically modest (I do think that the panties are a bit too impractical- she'd easily get a wedgie while fighting! Shorts or a Skort would do better for her)
Again, Wonder Woman should represent female empowerment and we also need female empowerment for women who enjoy dressing more femininely with skin revealing clothing! Those women deserve good representation too without being called wh*res or sl*ts for dressing so! But that's my opinion. Pants or no pants, Wonder Woman is always gorgeous to me :)
I think the reason Jim Lee's pants design don't work is because they're just pants. The don't match anything from rest of her costume. Color blocking wise the focus just goes to her torso. The DCyou design works better because it flows well with the rest. Another good pants design is the Stan Lee's Wonder Woman design which was also designed by Jim Lee I think. It's not perfect but works better that WW 600.
I think the colour blocking directing focus to her torso is the point. I like the design
I think the pants worked fine, it was the leather jacket thats always rubbed me the wrong way
I love how David Fitch drew wonder woman I remember seeing the issue with her in that armor and instantly bought it because it looked so cool
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Funny thing. This same complaint happened to a character in a video game called Paladins: Champions of the Realm. The character in question is named Furia, an angelic woman who originally had exposed thighs. The community was split in two on having pants and others being keep it original.
The studio Evil Mojo, which is under Hi-Rez, went and used the exposed thighs on an alternate skin that looks more like an fallen angel while the main colored one had her legs covered up.
Really funny how people can act over a fictional character.
>sees title and thumbnail
Wait, what? People was upset about that? Meanwhile you had Superman and Batman being devoid of his trunks for a good 8 to 9 years.
7:02 I always prefer this suit.
I'm still mad about the no trunks for Superman and Batman. That's always bothered me way more than Wonder Woman having pants or not.
I prefer what she wore at 1:12.
It's not different from people wanting Batman and Superman to wear their trunks again.
Or in GodzillaMendoza’s case, keeping the sleeves from Spider-Man’s costume
You can’t have the Superman costume without the trunks tho. It doesn’t work and if the costume doesn’t work Superman doesn’t work. For Wonderwoman I always thought she should have a skirt kinda thing like in the movies. I mean she supposed to be a warrior.
@@shroomer8294 Couldn't you call any other superhero a warrior? Why would she need that tiny bit of armor plating when she can deflect bullets and lasers with her wrists? Also, the skirt isn't a classic look. Imagine if the original DCAU Wonder Woman had the skirt. It wouldn't mesh with that masterpiece of a Justice League series.
@@shroomer8294 It works. The rebirth costume was great
@@shroomer8294 that's literally just your opinion, I can clearly tell Supes without trunks on the outside is still just Supes, it doesn't magically change his character
Was it intentional for Wonder Woman to have the colors of the American flag? Blue, red and white, even having stars.
Yes
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The weirdest part to me is how American her costume is
Biggest problem with "modernizing" wonderwoman is that she's an amazonian, her entire culture is different and her outfit works well with that. I get the idea of women still being able to be attractive and strong to be good, but here its different, its more keeping the amazonian roots (from a culture that wouldnt think that outfit is contraversial) so changing the design is only pandering to people who arent even reading the comics. I agree with the battle skirt tho, the greek (or roman i suck at geography) style skirt is a solid resign choice, which the movie probably got the best when it comes to blending it in with modern tones in comics, not too loud or colorful but it doesnt take away from her character. We can all agree that a biker jacket was a bad call.
And add to that that the character was drawn wearing skirt/short pants since 1941. As such, it isn´t so easy to drastically change that.
I think the Warrior Skirt fits Wonder Woman better than any Shorts ever could.
The Armored Skirt ultimately makes the most sense to me. She retains her original look while still updating it to be as practical as it can be while still showing her legs. At least her bracelets can block almost anything anyways.
She's nigh indestructible. she can fight naked for all i care 😂
Precisely. She´s an Amazon warrior. As such she has a distinctive fighting style that needs for her to be able to move freely. Something that tight pants don´t let it function.
The 2015 suit is one of the best comic book outfits ever made. Fight me
0:06 she is so iconic ive met people who dont even know she is part of the DC universe
The original Wonder Woman designs are iconic, so that’s probably part of the outrage.
Agreed the leotard/no pants are the most iconic look for her
The jeans and biker jacket look is cute and would look great as street wear, as opposed to a superhero costume. It would work quite well, imo, as out of costume clothing for when she’s not intentionally on the job or whatever. I can see why it was taken so poorly, though. As a costume it’s pretty awful.
My personal fave are the skirt. It makes her look like a spartan when you pair it with a sword and shield.
I think part of it may be fans are just so used to a certain, basic look. Traditionally, Wonder Woman showed her legs along with her shoulders and cleavage. It's kinda her trademark and it's an iconic look. Hence the negative reaction to such a drastic change in appearance. I think a lot of fans would also feel the same if, let's say, Black Widow changed over to a skimpy, skin baring costume as opposed to her iconic catsuit that covered her from neck to toe. I heard when Susan Storm wore a skimpy FF outfit for a while in the 90's, it wasn't well received. Fans were just not used to seeing her like that. The same negative reception also happened to Vampirella when she got a major costume overhaul. The classic red skimpy outfit was replaced with an outfit that made her look like Claire Redfield from Resident Evil. Needless to say, that was soon dropped, and her classic look was restored.
3:25 Yeah, it _was RADICAL!!_ **air guitar solo**
I mean her costume has always made sense to me since it’s basically a female version of Greek hoplite army like give her a helmet and some under clothes you got a female hoplite
Meanwhile, AT THE LEGION OF DOOM! "Grundy wants pants too!"
I just want some pants!
A decent pair of pants!
Wonder Woman was originally designed wearing a Skirt. She is teh most recognizeble Superheroine wearing skirts and briefs actually, and one of the few Superheroines that , STILL showing her legs. Dont take that from her
Honestly it's a better outfit and makes far more sense combat-wise. It's flexible, breathable while offering actually protection. It makes far less sense that every other member of the JL would have full clothes and she wouldn't.
I disagree, she is an Amazon warrior so I think the DCEU looking is perfect because it’s like a battle skirt they use to wear in ancient times and I feel like pants don’t match her armors and she doesn’t really need protection she is a god.
I honestly have more issue with her using an all american costume with star and everything than her having pants, I feel one of the better ideas is to keep her with that waist battle skirt (sorry for not knowing the name) that romans and greeks are depicted using
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I always thought it made more sense for her to wear an armoured skirt because it resembles what greek and roman soldiers wore, it was something I really loved about her costume in the DCU movie.
Looking back on all that my feelings pretty much remain the same. For me Wonder Woman's costume should be something the other Amazons would design and wear, so as long as the other Amazon's more pants, I was more than fine with Wonder Woman wearing pants like in Morrison's WW Earth One series. As far as the armored skirt she's been rocking recently goes, I don't consider that a "happy middle ground" I consider that a MASSIVE UPGRADE because now she looks even more like a Greek Amazonian Warrior than ever before.
I pretty much share your feelings on the Jim Lee jean jacket redesign.
However that DCYOU Baraka spike redesign, I never hated it but I never really liked it either, it's always kinda bugged me I'm not 100 percent sure why, maybe it just doesn't look enough like a Greek warrior outfit to me
Are you talking about the full armor one 7:04 ? If so I kind of agree. It’s nice but seem busy.
@@SuperEasywalker yep and speaking of armor I just noticed something about myself, even though I prefer the armored skirt, if Wonder Woman is going to wear full body armor I prefer the Gal Gadot 1984 Gold armor look over the Kingdom Come original cuz I feel that costume looks better with the armored pants from the movie than the armored skirt from the comic
I've seen people make comparison of her armored skirt to the Pteruges (Leather "skirts") worn by ancient Greek and Roman soldiers and gladiators
Damn man, we need to do better things with our lives than watching a video about Wonder Woman’s pants however beautiful the video may be.
I like the armored skirt, personally. Makes me think of Spartans. But all in all, Wonder Woman and Batman are two characters that change their costumes so much that I won't complain so as long as it works. Superman, however, is another story....
Why can't we just say that they thought the pants looked cool? Why does it always have to be a ethical problem?
I'm tired...
My opinion is that anytime any character changes their appearance (especially if it's a big change) there will be backlash.
For example Spiderman's black suit got quite a bit of backlash when it was first introduced. So much so that the writers had to change him back the the red and blue suit. Luckily for all of us they handled that plotline really well and in the process created one of Spiderman's most iconic villains.
@@frankficcle7081 It's kinda ironic that the black costume is one of Spider-Man's most iconic costumes.
The original iteration of Wonder Woman was said to wear culottes; basically a split skirt or flare legged shorts.
Wikipedia says:
"Culottes are an item of clothing worn on the lower half of the body. The term can refer to either split skirts, historical men's breeches, or women's under-pants;..."
Additionally:
"The French word culotte is (a pair of) panties, pants, knickers, trousers, shorts, or (historically) breeches derived from the French word culot, meaning the lower half of a thing, the lower garment in this case."
i'm british, so when you said pants i get thinking about pants (underwear).
Oi mate, he meant tRoUsUhz.
I was there when it happened live, it was all over comic sites, and with sonmuch hate and backlash... And then there was me who actually liked the look, and the pants.
Through 2011, when they popped up in that failed WW pilot, and in the New 52 covers, I thought they found a good middle ground, but nope, no pants.
Not it's just the battle skirt in everything, it's fine, but I would like to see a new pants redesign.
Wonder Woman gets pants
Other people: this is an absolute outrage!
Me:…ok, cool. Whatever, man.
I don't see what's so bad about it to make most people mad. It's just different fashions that are given to superheroes. Kind of like different attire to wrestlers. That or just anybody that needs change. Different attire can be good on superheroes and villains as well if you want change.
The pants aren't the problem. The Roman battle skirt thing is cool and practical, I don't like the swimsuit bottom as much, but still at least mostly practical, but the pants are cool too (i hate the black pants though, the good pants are the ones in the first injustice game). The problem is the heels. I hate them, they make no sense, she needs fighting shoes, not heels.
"make more relatable"
One of the most epic stupidities possible...
It really should be insulting to people that mediamakers think people cannot relate to characters unless they're near identical.
I think part of the problem is that at the time Jim Lee was redesigning everything and stuff started to feel very samey.
To me, I didn't really mind the pants as it was a way to move the character forward in the new century.
I mean they removed the underwear outside the costume from the male heroes, so why not give her pants?
Marvel was able to change the look of Namorita of the New Warriors years later instead being constantly walking around like a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Model all the time.
I didn't mind the pants. I like the battle skirt best though
Ngl I don't think there can be a costume change worse than getting rid of Superman's red underwear, I don't care if it "looks dumb" it makes the costume work
Wonder womans leg-baring outfit looks extremely feminine while the character herself is respected and powerful.
It can be cheesecake or it can be a confident adult woman who chooses to exude feminine beauty when and how she wants. Similar to how you shouldnt leer at a woman but also shouldnt tell her what to wear, or women who want to go topless in public but not be judged for it.
It is a difficult issue, not nitpicking or crass sexualization, and it exposes a lot of the difficulty in any conversation about gender equality.
It might be worth looking up comic characters like Cosmic Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes, especially his outfits for the 1970s and 1980s.
There's the 1940s character Firebrand who wore a see-through silk shirt (the woman who took over that identity also wore a see-through silk shirt, but over a swimsuit-style top).
Revealing costumes have been available for more people than Wonder Woman and the actors that portrayed them.
The 'mod-karate' wonder woman was a copy of the then current 'superspy' outfit, that was also done with Black Widow's outfit, not her first, but the one that has lasted down the decades.
I wasn't a fan of the David Finch design but it was leagues above Jim Lee. Like you mentioned, it felt like the Lee version could be slapped on literally any other street-level character in DC or Marvel. And honestly, I like the current version with the skirt as it keeps in line with her Grecian roots
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We can't fight a woman without pants.
The pants are actually my favorite designs for WW, I can't wrap my head around why anyone would care?
Looking back at then controversy with Wonder Woman having pants yeah this was silly in my opinion.
Why did she wear US-flag themed shorts in the first place? She's not even from the US
Because the 40s were obscenely patriotic and any product from America was full of red, white, and blue.
@@ComicDrake Except Batman?
2:52 technically he only grew four arms
her pants look better than her other costumes
Personally I don't hate the pants. I wasn't the biggest fan of the leather jacket, it just didn't sit right. Some characters look good in a leather jacket. Black Canary, Zatanna, Cassie Sandmark etc.
Your body is a car, how you dress is the appearance of said car.
Here is the thing with established characters of long time running series and their costumes. You can change the color scheme or the design, but not both. The character still has to be recognizable from a glance by the average viewer. Change too much and the character is either unrecognizable to the established fan base or even worse the character looks too much like another character in their own universe.
As someone who owns a playing card collection of "DC Bombshells" their LITERAL pin-up art. I watched this entire video with a Shocked Pikachu Face
I like the pants, my reason for not liking outfits like wonder woman's or powergirl's isn't just my taste tho i did really like supergirl's but my taste aside the reason i don't like leotard type outfits like there's is because in real life those things would slide around way more then some people might think so anytime Wonder woman goes to kick someone she likely end up flashing her "lady bits" its just not practical really she should wear something that doesn't impact leg movement and doesn't show "too much" something akin to yoga pants but not yoga pants because that would be dumb
I prefer the skirt, but the pants (not the jeans with jacket ones) look great too. The briefs are more classic and should be used a lot less I think.
I have a real soft spot for the current iteration of Diana's armor. From all the way back in the 90s when I was very young and first collecting comics, it always bothered me that her "armor" was depicted as a one-piece swimsuit with American flag iconography. I like that it looks much more in tune with what an Amazon ambassador/warrior would wear.
Too many artists were taking "creative liberties" with her look; so I could understand why either pants or an armored skirt replaced it.
Wonder Woman!!
1:04 that panel is awesome
Of course, thanks to Gal Gadot, Wonder Woman exchanged her one-piece bottom for a combat skirt. And folks are cool with it.
How could superhero fans use the internet while living in the Victorian age?
I like the 2010 design but im an edgelord lol.
also, while we are greatly improving in the area of feminine sexuality in media. I think when it comes to how we talk about male sexuality and male desire we are more prudish than we have ever been. "this character was designed in a way that men enjoy and can fantasise over? EVIL!" like, am i the only one who thinks men have more than one brain mode at a time and can find someone sexy while also respecting them?
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I really gotta question why the hell whenever a woman in fiction gets more clothing, people start coming out of the shadows to start claiming "censorship" or that it somehow goes against the character in some way.
Hell, it even happened with Mortal Kombat 11 of all things. Like, there's much more serious things to be angry about yet people choose to get mad over fictional women not showing enough skin...
Some guys feel personally attacked when their fantasies aren't catered to specifically. They worry that giving into even the most mundane of "feminist" criticisms will lead to the comics losing it's identity and just being the characters giving left wing talking points instead of adventuring. While some overcorrections do happen (in all media), usually these reaction way out of proportion to the change proposed. Basically it's an obsessive stop of the slippery slope to prevent "SJW Cringe" instead of just changing things in a way that's less catered to male fanservice.
Personally I don't get it from an in-universe perspective: Superheroes and MK characters get thrown through concrete all the time, If anything they should be wearing thick work/tactical pants or motorcycle gear all the time to prevent road rash.
Kitana was sexier in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance than in the later Mortal Kombat games.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 If the female character is wearing a sexy outfit, like Wonder Woman with the blue panties with white stars like the 1990s designs were, or Kitana with the sexy outfit she wore in the 2005 game Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance that was sexier than the outfits in the later Mortal Kombat games, that can give the guy great ideas for something sexy for a gal he likes to wear something like that for him.
I love the 2015 armored look, but my one issue is that it looks too much like big Barda. Maybe some backstory, like she visits Barda and upgrades her gear? IDK
Wait, Wonder Woman too? I knew about the backlash to Chun-Li wearing sweatpants, which is dumb because they're sweatpants, stretchy and easy to kick with and really not much different from her tights. Also, she wore sweatpants in SFAlpha and no one complained (it was probably a reflection of the fact that her original design was meant to have pants) and no one ever cared about Cammy getting pants in Wreck-it Ralph or with the Jill Valentine costume in SFV. It's almost as though it has nothing to do with the sweatpants in this case too.
Well I mean the Wreck-it-Ralph thing was just a cameo and a background gag. Nothing more. Also I’m pretty sure it’s just due to the fact that a lotta people are just more emotional now for some reason
Wonder Woman: “It’s a battle skirt.”
*Lillie in Z-power outfits high-five her*
Yeah!!!
It's always the female characters that get accused of sexual stuff
Worst thing I can say about Wonder Woman in pants is that sometimes the outfit looks weird compared to how I’m used, but it still works as long as it’s not bad, just make the costume not bad, she can still be sexy and strong just don’t make her an object or look like crap, writers
There was a controversy of Wonder Woman wearing pants? Dude? Are you being serious right now?
Apparently that was a thing
What, so ironic the creator of wonder woman was Polly who had two wives. He had a lot of respect for women.
I will never understand how people look at Wonder Woman and see her as nothing more than a sexual icon. I'm saying this as a man so I can't act like I know entirely what the right perception of her is or how women perceive her, but I associate WW so much as a symbol of empowerment and speaking out against oppressive society, that it actually feels gross and sick for me ever attempting to see her in a lustful manner and makes me even more uncomfortable when other people do it. For example let's swap perspectives: you wouldn't look at Captain America as only this hunked up beef cake would you?
That’s good. If I had to guess its likely because her most iconic costume is basically a onesie swimsuit. I know they say don’t judge a book by its cover but that’s more then likely the first costume people think of when they think of Wonder Woman.
I remember seeing this on the news actually. Same goes for when they took Superman's underwear off.
Has Kingsmen not taught us anything? MANNERS. MAKETH. MAN.
Now me personally, I don't care if she has pants or not