What to Do When A Drunk Person Is Carrying A GUN?
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***UPDATE ****
I also found out later that he was in an on again off again relationship with one of the women who was working there. So hopefully he wasn't planning on doing anything stupid. - Розваги
The biggest mistake I heard in this video: going to Applebee's.
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Yep
That's the damn truth!
Anyone remember the guy who the cub foods store employee called the cops on for a counterfiet 20 dollar bill? or the guy wendys called the cops on for being asleep in the drive through? Why cant you just ask the guy to put the glock away and take a cab home?
@@mrschnider6521 Yep. Calling the cops can cause WAY more problems. I retired and moved away from one of the big cities that you would not want to live in....very close to to the area where guy with the bad twenty dollar bill lost his life....Lived there 20 years. Seemed like several times a year the cops in the large metro area shot someone for no reasonable reason. Actually I had a close call with the cops myself where I lost a lot of trust of them in general.
11th safety commandment. when you are more loaded than your gun,put it away.
As grandpa said when he was training me...alcohol and gunpowder don't mix.
Yessir as a good.friend told me shit can go bad quick with alcohol in weird ways
@@diegotorres1194 "alcohol induced stupidity" as I used to call it when explaining to the captain what one of my sailors had done on Liberty. My other line for the benefit of the miscreant in question was "Captain, since stupidity is not a chargeable article in the UCMJ, he is charged with violating article 134"
The fact that the person had a firearm is a moot point, this intoxicated individual drove their vehicle to Applebee's. DWI anyone. Taking a drunk driver off the road is always a good reason to call the cops.
Driving drunk strike 1 carrying a gun drunk strike 2 a unholstered weapon strike 3 you're out
Black Phase ah true true didn’t think of all of that
I personally feel uncomfortable with improper carry, more uncomfortable knowing they are drunk with a gun or driving. Idk what's worse carrying or driving
You know the individual could simply carry but not go to use it if drinking. Remember a smart person knows how they are under influence. This tells you when to stop.
Would you add Public Intoxication, or no?
@2nd Amendment for Canada! You are part of the problem. I'm hoping you're trolling but somehow I doubt it, you bloody dipshit.
He was right for sure drinking and guns don't mix, and carrying w/o a holster too !!!!!!!!!!
Andrew Meekins idk.. I hate to admit it publicly but i have carried while drunk and don't feel bad about it. I'd rather risk going to jail then having another person take my life, both of these things have a slim chance of happening
Ehhh the carrying without a holster really depends for me. Basketball shorts? Hell no. But when I carry my boot gun it's not in a holster. Because of how tight my boots are I can't fit a holster in there and can barely fit my gun in there. Still, I place the gun in a way that my ankle prevents it from firing without me pulling it out.
@Raven Strife as long as there is no way for it to go off
He likely just got sent to the drunk tank, so he probably doesn’t have an arrest record from that.
Raven Strife just get a soft nylon sleeve “holster” to put over it to protect the trigger, and you should be good. The biggest danger to carrying in the pocket is other things pressing on the trigger, having a slip-on holster (basically a little sock for your handgun) allows you to protect the trigger without adding any real weight or size to your gun
Alcohol + guns never good.
T Cantrell I’m home all the time and guns are there along with alcohol. Not once has the guns got up to do no good nor has the alcohol convinced the guns to take any action. So far the guns haven’t revolted against me either.
@@1014p lmfao
@@1014p give it time. They’ll grow legs
@@ndnrb_ the bottles of various alcohol or the guns? Sounding like an Alice and wonderland scenario. Im sure they will keep the party easy going.
@@1014p The gun. Just get drunk enough and the gun will start moving 😂
My man said “Mexican Carry” 🤣🤣
Ya, let's start a riot!
That’s what it’s called
@@tazztazz5439 ya let's get offended and riot
Den M when you carry in the crotch area
@@tazztazz5439 no that's appendix carry mexican carry is basically carrying without a holster
this guy speaks so nicely, direct and clear. you're a great public speaker, even if its on the internet. love your videos man!
Depending on how shady the guy is I might approach him but really I'd like to avoid a confontation, even if I was carrying no way I want to escalate things. Jeez, Mexican carrying in basketball shorts?
Also another point, if he DROVE drunk and was not just a passenger then he's already demonstrated reckless behavior if you ask me....so why not let LE officers handle it?
I was thinking the same thing. I do not tolerate drunk drivers, The second i saw him step out of the driver side as drunk as he was AND mexican carrying in basketball shorts.... i would of called the LEO's ASAP as well.
@@felipechristophe8081 Leo?
@@Nestta5252 Law Enforcement Officer
@@felipechristophe8081 ahhh a douche bag way of saying cop. Got it.
@@Nestta5252 You're obviously a douche bag, so how did you not know that already?
Drinking and guns don't mix. Everyone who is serious about gun safety knows that. I might have told the manager of the Applebee's instead and let him decide. My second choice would have been to call the police. I would do this as a responsible gun owner. If we police our own ranks, we have better credibility than if we don't. Another good post, Colion.
He did the right thing. Someone acting suspicious and you know for a fact they're carrying a firearm and appear to be drunk, definitely call the police. Every "mass shooting" the shooter's friends, family, and neighbors always say the person had been displaying clear signs of irregular behavior, but it is ignored and then look what happens. This fella that called the cops could have prevented the restaurant from getting shot up and numerous people killed or injured. Situational awareness is the key, this guy had it and made a good call. Carrying a firearm while intoxicated is a fucking no go.
When you carry a gun its a huge responsability to not only be trained and aware enough to protect yourself but also to make sure that your carrying doesnt put others in harms way. Ignoring the that he was driving drunk and focusing on the gun issue, as a CCW carrier you have to make sure that you know the laws and are following them. You also need to make sure you have the gear to carry safely such as a good belt, holsters, lock box for the car, etc. You are not supposed to endanger others or make them feel uncomfortable. I would have called the cops too.
I had a person call the cops on me while I was carrying the informed the police that I was drunk . The cops showed up and asked me if I had any alcohol in my system I said no and that was it . I felt so embarrassed but I was in the right . But the cops where pissed ontil they actually talked to me
A PERSON WHO IS INTOXICATED SHOULD NOT CARRY A WEAPON, PERIOD
The law makes that decision and you can not legally carry while intoxicated so there is your answer Mr stranger
... not in Pennsylvania...
The legal blood alcohol level while carrying in Las Vegas is higher then driving while intoxicated. .10 carrying. .08 driving sooo...
donald k garman a person who is drinking has the right to protect themselves too
And as long ad he didn’t cause trouble, he probably wasn’t arrested and was just sent to the drunk tank.
one time I was at a walmart checking out ammo cans on the ground I got up pulled my shirt a bit because the talon grips sometimes cause my shirt to stay up anyways I saw a guy a couple feet from me staring at my hip for awhile trying to determine if I was carrying or not the look on his face was alnost like he was disgusted but over concerned so after I saw that his facial expression i could tell he was maybe about to call the police I just up and left I have my ccw but I wasnt about to deal with all that crap over some whimpy guy that got scared over seeing the print of a pistolin other words mind your business if you spt someone carrying and theyre not doing anything stupid or out of the ordinary just let them be
Erm, the guy got out of the car DRUNK?! Also, it's illegal to carry concealed everywhere pretty much when drunk, so he was breaking the law. The more people do stupid stuff with guns, the harder it makes it for the rest of us
leopheard And to think, I’ve seen at least twenty comments saying “mind your own business”.
Rite on the money bro
SHOW ME THE LAW THAT SAYS CARRYING CONCEALED WHILE DRUNK IS ILLEGAL, I'LL WAIT..... ****TAKE OUT THE DUI FACTOR
@@goodguy2477 there’s a limit in MN. Can’t remember the exact number but it basically equates to no more than a beer or maaaaaybe 2 if your pushing it for a grown man. Also can’t remember if it was set by precedent or written out. I do know you’re kinda wrong up here though.
Legal standpoint.... ehh not counting the dui. But on a moral/common sense view yea he shouldn't have been carrying. Just my worthless 2c.
having a concealed carry permit comes with a certain amount of responsibility and no one should be drunk while carrying a loaded weapon
He said "Mexican Carrying" 🤣🤣🤣
Very insightful topic. It's good to hear what other people would do in that situation, just to have a point of reference for if I get into a situation like that. Well done, sir!
100% agree w/ this. Even if "drunk" (no proof, just body language) and he just flagged or imprinted, then that'd be overreacting and outright "tattling" as I tell my kids. There's a difference between safety and snitching. This situation was about safety, but some people and their 100% EtOH and guns don't mix business ... That's just naive. Alcohol is a part of life, so is carrying. Now walking around with it in your hand is a problem, drunk or sober, but if it's safely holstered and the guy has a few beers, even if he's buzzed, then there's a problem.
Also, I see we just ignored the part where he was driving like this, a hell of a lot more dangerous than just carrying a gun in his shorts.
You hit the mail on the head! I totally agree. If you can drive legally then you should be able to carry legally. I can have a beer and still be a responsible driver / citizen.
AsleepAtThe Wheel I like the irony of your name given what you just said haha. Also, thanks for the response.
That's not the law in my state, .05% while carrying and they pull your permit...
Pennsylvania has no law referring to alcohol and firearms
To my knowledge it is not illegal to consume alcohol while carrying in New Hampshire.
Colion, I have a California CCW Permit and can affirm that it is a violation of the permit to drink alcohol and carry at the same time. In fact, it is a violation to carry in an establishment (bar, beer tasting room, etc.) that does not also serve food - and a little box of peanuts or Slim Jims doesn't count. So, I agree with both you and the other guy - I would have called LE also in that case. Really enjoy your channel - keep up the good work! - Larry
You handled it 200 percent correct. Don't confront but call the cops. AVOID THE CONFRONTATION. You handled it responsibly like any CPL holder should.
What's CPL stand for
The option of walking out is a non-option. As human beings and responsible citizens we have a moral obligation to our fellow citizens. They are not aware that this drunk fool is packing heat. There's a reason why it's not legal to carry when you are drunk. Drunks make bad decisions, and bad judgement + gun can equate to somebody getting hurt.
I ALWAYS carry a gun. That's because I NEVER drink. Besides, I'd rather buy ammo than something that's going make me piss like a racing chicken all night.
When I was drunk under a month ago I almost cut my finger off with a pocket knife(total accident. I always carry a knife on me and I was opening a package of naan bread or some Shit and it slipped) and that was my little pocket knife. Handling a firearm that fucked up would have been the end of my life and or others so I'm glad that guy called the cops. Drunks aren't known for emotional stability and overly emotional people make bad decisions.
There are people who safely open carry AR-15 rifles in the public streets and they don't concern me as much as an irresponsible drunk guy mishandling his .22 at the range. The latter is going to be called on.
To me, him stepping out of the car with a gun IN HIS HAND is a red flag. Most concealed carriers, including me, would have it, oh, I don't know, concealed. And he didn't own a holster, just stuffing it in the back of his shorts... that's a red flag to me. Add being clearly drunk to that, and I think I wouldn't even have waited to call the cops. I would agree with the assessment that he was up to no good. Either way, carrying while drunk is illegal in most states, to my knowledge.
Luke M - Laws vary by state. I will never defend carrying while intoxicated...but in some states, you cannot holster carry while in a motor vehicle.
speedyspooley Fair point.
I actually don't know for certain if it's illegal to carry while drunk or not in my state. What I do know is that I will never do it.
Luke M a person can't comfortably drive drunk with a pistola in the shorts, maybe that's why the heater was in his hand?
Another red flag: Being visibly drunk upon exiting the vehicle means he's already a danger to the public and lacks reasoning. I'm that person who will call the cops if I'm driving down the road and you're swerving, driving erratically. If I can see your plate, you're about to get pulled over. Gun or no gun, I'll try to make sure you don't kill somebody tonight. 😉 🤷🏾♀️
@@speedyspooley Wait seriously? The safest place for a gun is in a proper holster! Those states that ban carrying in a holster while in a motor vehicle must also have a requirement that all elected officials have a diagnosis of profound mental retardation.
Talked to a guy once who told me he always carries when he’s drunk because he can’t fist fight as well when he’s drunk...
I have never been a big time drinker but when I got my CHL over a decade ago I almost never drank because I had rather have my gun and since have just stopped completely because I just don't enjoy it that much I don't have a problem with people drinking I rather enjoy when my wife has a few but alcohol effects people more than some drugs and is not a good thing to mix with firearms.
"Got out of his car while drunk" - How about this part? Doesn't that seem wrong...
The type of gun, how it is being carried, where this occurred... all irrelevant and immaterial. The only two questions that need answered are 1) Do you believe he's intoxicated and 2) Is he in possession of a firearm. If you answer yes to both, it is your civic duty to report it. Responsible, law-abiding CCL holders don't need people like this in our ranks. We have enough of an uphill public image battle as it is.
Truth
Thanks for your reply! You changed my mind on this question..
This man did the right thing. I don't think i'd be able to live with myself if I was in the same situation, ignored it, and then something terrible happened (be it a shooting or negligent discharge). God bless
Do I think it is right to call the police on someone who is carrying while drinking, no. Do I think it is right to call the police on someone who is acting like an idiot while drinking and carrying. Yes.Some people can still be responsible while drinking, some are ass clowns 5min after alcohol hits there lips.
+TurboMitsubishi In Maryland its illegal to open/conceal carry in a bar (if youre even lucky enough to obtain such a permit), period. Not sure how it is elsewhere.
Nor am I, and I'm not saying someone should do something illegal. But I'm saying I'm not going to disarm myself just because I have a drink with my meal. (Typically in a family restaurant.)
lol, so true
I agree with every thing you said down to the letter. I don't think the guy was wrong, nor was he overreacting. You would rather feel bad getting him in trouble than feel bad because you didn't do anything and something really bad happened. Like they say, it's better to regret something you did rather than something you didn't do.
But I am also with you when you said you wouldn't have called the cops personally. The same for me. But I also would have definitely kept my eye on him and if he didn't anything else alarming, then I would have reacted.
So I think you nailed the response 👍
I'm VERY late to the party, but I want to sincerely thank Mr. Noir for his willingness to openly discuss these kinds of situations! We live in a country with the right of free speech and that's a beautiful thing.
you did the right thing. as concealed carriers, we face the stigma that we are already a danger to society because we carry guns. Carrying is the most important decision we will ever make and it needs to be taken seriously. This guy was abusing his right to carry and deserved to be arrested. Had he been more discreet with his firearm, you never would've seen it and never given it a second thought. We face enough unfair criticism as it is from anti-gunners, this idiot just adds to the narrative that all carriers are a danger to society. Imagine if his gun had fallen out and discharged and killed some kid eating dinner..... exactly
Accidentally discharging is rare if not impossible in modern guns. But there is a bigger point, drunk people don't asses situations carefully, which means that he could deliberately shoot someone because considered him a threat thought he was not.
@@danyyilbun6736 Accidental discharge as in he accidentally pulls the trigger. If the gun falls out, he's going to need the manipulate his shitface fingers to retrieve the gun. This is where the discharge would occur.
@@DoctorChained Oh,ok, yeah , that makes sense, though I was told never even put a finger on a trigger if you are not certain you are going to shoot. So I guess then it depends on way the person was trained.
Exactly. Plus, his being hammered reduces his ability to assess a situation reasonably, including making an assessment of someone approaching him about the issue. Some others commenting are confident they can approach him cordially and talk sense into him. Maybe they could; but depending on his state of mind, he could make that impossible without an escalation. The narration described him as a singular person, so it sounds like he drove himself there drunk.. then relocating throughout the restaurant is not typical diner behavior. He could've been waiting for an excuse.. or just really drunk and likely irrational. Terry you make excellent points.
@@DoctorChained accidental discharge could happen with revolvers if the safety is not on as a slam on the hammer fires it. Though to be fair if i see someone actually drunk and getting in a car or out i would call the cops anyways gun or no gun does not matter
If a drunk is carrying it in his hand call the cops, if in a holster let them go.
exactly
gradostax agreed!
perfectly said gradostax.
Truth. It's like if a drunk is sleeping it off in his car with it running to stay warm, no problem. It's only until he puts it in gear when it becomes an actual issue.
you can actually get a DUI for it being stationary if you are trying to nap or something even with the car off. at least in some states
It's situational in my opinion. A good man won't murder someone even if he's drunk. I work security and reading people is part of my job. I usually judge a book by its cover and trust my first impressions of someone. Don't try to treat everyone the same. If someone freaks you out trust your gut and act accordingly. I always do.
The old me would have felt like they were be wrong but the older me will feel like they're right I guess it's just called growing up and another thing thank you so much for all the information you've given me and making me more aware of guns and guns safety
I'm a bit late to the conversation but here is my take
Personally, I would have done the same thing. I am all good with people carrying firearms with permits either openly or concealed, but alcohol and guns are an extremely bad combination. Now granted its not to say that they are going to do something wrong. While I don't see how you can carry with basketball shorts on and not have your pants fall down, I would assume that in this situation the person was simply putting the gun back after removing it while driving. However, I would air in the side of caution rather than risk them being an angry drunk dude with a gun looking to do some harm.
I absolutely would have called the cops. You dont carry a weapon while drinking. It is dangerous and illegal. I am a cop and wont drink a beer and carry I expect the same from everyone else. It is part of that "responsible" gun owners thing.
It all depends what state you live in in Florida you're allowed to go to Applebee's and have a drink and be able to conceal carry you're just not allowed in the bar area now brandishing a weapon that's strike one drinking and driving that's strike two personally I don't drink and carry but in the state of Florida it is perfectly legal the reason I don't drink and carry is because if I ever have to use it I don't want anybody to ever have to use the excuse that I actually had alcohol in my system
Yeah no you can't expect the same. That's unreasonable. How come having fun with my friends automatically disqualifies me from defending myself?
@@angelocerrato8425 A drink doesn’t mean drunk
Many LEOs are NOT responsible gun owners. Did you not see the guy that shot Fernado Castile, on the dashcam, the fearful asshole nervously killed a guy while likely pissing his drawers.
Colion, I agree with your take on the situation. For me, he would have had to do a little more wreckless than what was described. Heck, I've heard of police being big violators of this, from other police.
I think he did right, I probably wouldn’t do it differently. Props for situational awareness
I think I'd lean more towards your method Colion, to observe and wait for something a little more telling. but yeah, I'd definitely have my cell phone on the table ready to make the call. I may even ask to speak to the location manager and tell them that I think the guy may already be drunk so they won't serve him any more alcohol. Not sure if I'd tell them about the gun though as that may make them freak out. that could cause more trouble than it'd save.
Depending on the man's actions I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. Although with that being said I would have made sure that I assessed the situation completely before I making the decision to call the police.
Can't find a direct law in the state of Pennsylvania that says you can not carry while intoxicated. If you do please respond
Know this is an old video but good info, and I LOVE the Reds cap.
After 2 drinks at a bar, I'm certain that I would be considered drunk if I chose to drive. After 6 drinks at the bar, I'm positive that I'm perfectly fine to drive. I would never want that scenario to play out with a weapon in the mix.
Scott Jenkins god forbid you have to use your firearm then get a criminal charge because of your BAC
If you think it is okay to drink and drive (even while you are drunk) there is more of an underlining stupidity there.
Brandon G he is saying that when he is very drunk, he makes bad decisions, like driving. Sober, he knows better.
I personally wouldn't have called the cops. As long as he isn't doing anything that is a major threat to anyone else (like committing a robbery or shooting it) then why bother. I'm not saying it was wrong to call the cops I'm just saying I wouldn't.
the problem with that is, at the current moment he may not be "a major threat to anyone else" but as we ALL know, when a drunk person gets into a small argument (or even just accidentally get bumped into) they are more likely to lose their heads and then they do become a major threat to everybody. I'd rather make sure that doesn't happen rather then an officer have to tell someones loved one why that person is dead due to a drunk person had a gun on them, got angry and shot the person(s).
Yes I see your point. I guess Im just speaking from my own experience. Technically I know its illegal to be under the influence of something and carrying a firearm however Ive been in situations where I was, my friends were, family were, etc and never had anything happen. Most of the time the guns werent even being handled they were just around or on their person. I know its not the smartest thing to do but if you have faith in your own ability to be able to use logical gun safety then why not. This is however people I knew to and it wasnt a complete stranger.
Roger Bayless so in summary I'm saying I know it's not right but it can be looked at differently depending on the person and the situation.
IEYEVisionary I get where your coming from, but my argument is towards what you said about not being a major threat to anybody.
Roger Bayless
Ok yes the probability of someone becoming a threat to the safety of others is more likely if their drunk and packing heat. I agree.
LOL!!!! Plaxico, that was a awesome reference!!
Actually had a situation at my daughter's friends house. The dad and his buddy had been drinking and shooting a rifle( there was a river and open area behind the target). There were kids around, I made sure I and the kids stood behind them at all times keeping an eye on where the kids were and the rifle. After a while, I said I was not comfortable with it and left. My daughter wanted to stay with her friend, so I told her, if they continued, to stay in the house which was well behind where they were shooting.
This is a No Brainer. If you are going to drink, Do Not Carry!
My neighbor who is a good friend of mine got wasted one time so bad that he ended up pointing his loaded Glock 26 at my face and I had to disarm him. It was definitely one of the scariest things I've encountered. But the point is that it doesn't matter how nice a guy you are or responsible you are (btw, he is a very responsible gun owner, this incident only happened because he was out of control drunk. Plus he usually locks all his guns up safely, but he just bought the glock that day.) if you are intoxicated and have a gun in your hand, you're a very scary person in that moment.
"responsible" and "out of control drunk with a gun" are two catagories on the opposite end of the responsibility spectrum
37thgungrunts Well, since this incident, he's been sober. And like I already said, he usually has his guns locked up in a safe.
My homies brother got extremely loaded one night and aimed a loaded shotgun at his face point blank, someone else had to distract him so he could be disarmed. That being said know your own limits, I don’t think one or two drinks is enough for most people to lose control
Actually there is no general statue in NC that prohibits the open carry of a firearm while intoxicated. The law does prohibit the concealed carry of a firearm while intoxicated only. I am a deputy and we went over this in detail last year during an in-service training class.
When my friends and I go out and carry, we have the designated driver keep track of our weapons if one of us has had too many
I would have called the cops. He already made 3 mistakes; 1 drunk, 2 mexican carrying his glock, 3 wearing basketball shorts in plubic. :)
nothing wrong with wearing basketball shorts, they are so comfy
nothing like telling the world you have given up on life :).
Kyle Starkey How does that tell the world you've given up on life? its more like you dont care if it looks silly because its sooooooo comfy. Its like crocs.
yes, it IS like crocs. Point Kyle.
I'm ok with what our whistle-blower did. I think I might've tried to get a little more information about the guy's state just to be sure before getting the cops involved too. If I say "howdy", how does he react? Slurred speech? Friendly response? Jerk? I've been around enough drunk people to know that an experienced drunk can probably function better than many sober ones.
If in doubt, call the cops. It's better to have that guy checked out by professionals with partners before he makes a bad decision and chooses to hurt someone. Not to mention, a ND might be more likely when falling through the basketball shorts.
totally agree
+Speedimus Maximus Said Plexico Burris haha
How does someone carry in the waistband of their basketball shorts without dropping it on the floor every few steps? There must have been an inside the waistband holster I think.
Agreeing with MrColion, he wouldn't leave my sight, constantly assessing the situation. If he does anything above my tolerance, I'd make a decision, more likely speak with manager and have him decide whether he wants to call authorities.
my opinion 100% ok with that response/action
I'm with you. I'd wait for more cause. Watch him like a hawk.
Even if it meant going into an Applebees?
Drunk driving while carrying a pistol
That's a recipe for disaster
I actually think in the state of Iowa, as a concealed carrier, you can blow up to a .08 on a breathalyzer and still carry and if you shoot somebody, if I’m correct, you aren’t legally drunk therefore you can still deploy your firearm and not be charged with being intoxicated while having your firearm
If they are in a public place yes call the cops but if you are say camping or in the woods or something and drinking go for it
hs2ktc I would agree as long as you don’t drink enough to be stupid. I personally won’t carry a firearm while drinking at all. When I am drinking while camping I lock my firearm in my truck but getting sloppy drunk and carrying to me seems like an accident waiting to happen, especially with someone who feels the urge to mess with their firearm.
I agree, snitches suck, but if there is drunk driver, or a serial killer, then the police should be informed, I'm not worried about nonviolent crimes, like drug use, none of my business.
I think that you might rethink the situation if someone on drugs runs down your child. There is no such thing as a victim-less crime. Drug users support the criminal element in our society.
samiam1150 i still kinda have to agree with him, if someones obviously drunk driving, yeah, that's a problem, but if you want to sit in your house (or even on a street corner) and pump yourself full of drugs, the more power to you. but, if it's something seriously affecting your mindset/awareness, and doing something like driving a car, or handling a gun... yeah, that probably needs to be stopped.
and just a side note, there are victim-less crimes, just because the government deems something "dangerous", or "bad" doesn't necessarily mean there's a victim... unless having Christmas decorations up after January 14 is harmful to someone... (Maine state law by my research) yeah... some "laws" are just obnoxious...
samiam1150 You're nuts if you think there is no such thing as a victimless crime. There are tons of victimless crimes. For example, it is now a felony in the state of Ohio to have a hidden compartment in your car. Regardless of what is stored in the compartment. Also if it were not for the fact that drugs are illegal and therefore criminal the users would not be supporting the criminal element. It's only criminal because of legislation not because there is a victim. You child in the scenario you presented is the victim of being run down by a car (a victim based crime) and the driver was high (a victimless crime), but the death of your child was not caused by drugs, it was caused by a car. at any given time their are thousands of people who are high and not hurting anyone AKA victimless crime.
Florida allows you to drink and concealed carry as long as you aren’t at the main point of alcohol sale like the bar, but if there’s a restaurant portion of the place u can sit there and drink
Well, now that you bring it up, what would someone have to be doing with a firearm in public for you to make the decision to draw YOUR firearm and attempt to remove his firearm from his possession? Or her. Wow. What would a LADY have to be doing for you to attempt to remove her firearm from her possession?? Very curious here.
If someone accidentally discharges a firearm, does YOUR firearm immediately come out of its concealment?
Waiting for your video, Colion, been enjoying your enthusiasm and explanations recently. Keep up the good work, my man 👍
When it comes to firearms everyone is a RSO (on or off the range). If you see something unsafe happening with a firearm you are doing the right thing to report it.
In most places conceal carry is prohibited (or restricted) by law where alcohol is served.
Probably a good idea, of course 1 or 2 beers won't hurt, but still not a great idea. At all...
Typically, it’s a place that’s primary function is to serve alcohol.
its a hard call really... he could have become an instant felon and that I'm not cool with...
Fafausto47 He could have easily decided to open fire.
That I’m not cool with.
If he became a felon that’s on him .
Fafausto47 he is now an instant felon because he had cops called on him. Just ask his buddies to get him home or put it in the car.
Concealed carry can't consume in VA either. ONLY open carry may consume.
I concealed into a bar today for lunch. Tucked in my shirt after sitting down, so that I was openly carrying; and had one beer with my lunch. Then un-tucked my shirt as I was leaving and went back to concealed. It isn't just interesting how different the laws are, it's a PITA. Every time I travel I have to do some research online to double check what all the little laws are in which ever states I'm traveling through.
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I think he did think he did the right thing. First anyone carrying Mexican in basketball shorts already isn't in their right mind. Especially for the normal ccw holder. It just wouldn't be common. Then you add being noticeably drunk on top of that, that a problem. It's a misdemeanor already and depending on which state, the class of misdemeanor can vary. Ccw can be revoked and you can lose your permit. If it's against the law to be drunk and carry even with a ccw, I'd be concerned if I saw what he saw. I mean, c'mon, laws are in place because of idiots like that in the first place!
Booze and guns do not mix, any more than booze and cars.
I first took offense to a sign on a local restaurant that said patrons could not carry guns (PA is an open carry state, and you can get a concealed carry permit) until I realized that it has a bar. The bar is the only legitimate reason to tell patrons to not bring guns onto the premises.
I sure hope no one decides to shoot up that local restaurant, considering everyone would be defenseless.
I agree with Mr. Noir completely. It's a judgement call and the guy made it. I find nothing wrong with the caller's actions. Personally I'm not one of those "alcohol and guns don't mix at all" type of people. I firmly believe that if you drink you should drink and shoot (in a safe manner). I'm not talking about getting trashed with guns here, I'm saying have a few while out in the middle of nowhere shooting cans with your buddies. Why? Because alcohol changes things like your balance, fine motor control, reaction times etc. Even just a couple drinks will do this. If you have a gun in the home and you drink you should know how those drinks affect your weapon's handling ability. I mean seriously, if you're the type that likes to have a few cocktails after work what are the chances that home invaders pick a time to hit your house when you're dead-nuts sober? The last thing you want is to be on your third cocktail on Friday night, have a home invasion and get killed because you missed the safety catch on your pistol due to the aforementioned cocktails... But I digress.
Would I have called? I don't know, there are a lot of little details missing from the story, so maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of non-verbal clues people give you through their body language even when they're drunk. I would also have had to access how drunk he was. Like tipsy or black-out wasted? There's a difference. Good mood or bad? Is he acting like he's looking for trouble or is he just waiting for someone to come pick him up and he doesn't want to leave a gun in his car where it might get stolen?
I certainly would have had an eye on the guy though.
Well.
Depends on the person id say.
my rm/best friend at the time got drunk and got into it with his cousin.only gun he had in the place was his ak47,his fiance told me he was going to use that to kill his cousin who lived 4 doors down,sure enough he came downstairs with it,so she of course asked me to do something(I was drunk also)so while she distracted him,I stripped it down and hid all the parts around the house...handed it back to him and told him "here ,now all you have is a club"
He was pissed(we ended up knocking the snot out of each other) but next day thanked me and we also had a weird scavenger hunt as I ended up forgetting where I hid the spring.
Thats the only time ive been around someone thats lost it around a firearm while drinking.
(I quit drinking 5 years ago also so I try to not be around drunk people as a rule,too volatile)
I wouldn't have called the cops because their could have been unintended consequences. More people could have gotten hurt when things escalated with the cops showing up- you just don't know. Plus, you could have cost a man his job if he was unable to get to work the next day. I definitely would have kept my eye on him while in the restaurant.
daniel behm Alcohol. Plus driving. Plus weapons.
Think about that. I’d rather things escalate with a few cops then let the guy have control over the whole restaurant for the half hour it takes police to get there.
Hes driving drunk. Hes mexican carrying. Call the cops.
H I Mr. noir
With luck calif will pass may issue soon. I was out at the range and an off duty officer was shooting next me and I wanted to ask him some question about the ccw application. The first thing he said to me was “what do you want a ccw for” in a stern voice! I did not want to say it’s my right, or go off on the protection thing that would make me sound stupid. How would you handle that question?
i would have looked at him and said, "where do you have the authority to tell me if i can or cannot have a CCW license?" Many cops feel that it is their right to control the population and not protect and serve it.
I live in California also Los Angeles wich is impossible to get a ccw and hopefully we will get some laws to change I think the cop was being a dick by not answering your question. We are not criminals and should not be put on trail because we want to carry concealed and protect ourselves
Thomas Wren
Luckily I've thought about this and frequently talk to to anti-CCW people when my state has hearings on gun issues. So If I was there I would have had a speech ready for him. it would have gone something like this. "Because you cannot teleport. Look, if I wanted to conceal a weapon for nefarious purposes, I'd just do it. a CCW does not make it possible to conceal a weapon, it makes me more likely to get caught if I do something illegal with it. I want a CCW to demonstrate to the Government that it can trust me to use the responsibility responsibly".
Drunk driving _and_ carrying a concealed firearm into Applebees? Yeah, I would have called the police too.
To me it depends on where you live and the laws there. Colion stated he didn't know of a state where you could carry a firearm while intoxicated but I live in an area where carrying a firearm while intoxicated is in itself not a crime. You have to be intoxicated and actually use your weapon in a criminal or negligent manner before it is deemed unlawful use of a firearm. I'll quote the active police Sargent that owns my local firing range "you can be drunk, stoned, or high on any number of illegal substances or even commit any number of other crimes with a firearm on you but until you use the actual firearm in a criminal manner we cannot charge you with unlawful use of a firearm" he goes on to saw that the change in the law which happened a few years back was not popular with the law enforcement community but it is what it is. So here merely seeing a drunk person put a gun in their pants is not something I would call the cops over but I would watch him like a hawk. In other states with differing laws my answer would adapt to those laws
I agree, watch the hell outta him, but don't call the cops, they'll often inflame a situation.
State troopers in Pennsylvania told me it is not a crime to be intoxicated and carry. They also added that your attitude dictates if they take your gun. This is a public/personal safety issue according to them, and if you are just going about your business they won't bother you. 4 troopers told me this, I was surprised and asked them to repeat it and they did, I live in Crawford County, Pennsylvania and it is very gun friendly, maybe other places have different outlooks on this subject.
When you get a CHL and start carrying, you give up certain things.
I can't drink and carry (I don't drink anyway).I can't intervene in a fight.
I can't walk toward a situation that could escalate.
I have called the cops when I have seen an obviously intoxicated driver, I would do the same with an intoxicated person carrying a gun unless I felt I could approach them and get them to disarm.
I don't drink at all
Not alcohol.. that shit's poison, causes irresponsibility that you will be held accountable for after the fact...
I think that what this guy did was correct for him. He did not feel safe with the situation.
So if three Black guys come in to a restaurant and are loud and using profanity and just happen to change seats and I dont feel safe should I just call the cops? Seems like this "alleged" customer was profiled just because the op didnt think he was acting like he should?
One question for you Colion, What would you do to defend your self if you legally COULDN'T carry a firearm? As of right now I'm still not a US citizen (waiting on the INS, BCIS or whatever they call them selves now) and the state of Oklahoma wouldn't let me carry as a non citizen (even though I served 6 years in the US Army).
You cannot legally discharge a firearm while intoxicated in any state in the US. Also, as a concealed carry holder (making an assumption) you are accepting a higher level of responsibility for the safety of yourself and those near you. In this case, the drunk guy elevated himself to be the higher threat. Lastly, with the bad publicity around guns, currently, an incident like that would be very detrimental to the law abiding carry community. Our "whistleblower" did the right thing, in my opinion.
Perhaps you may be a part of the problem with society the way you draw your thoughts. Too many are scared and focus on what could happen or what one might do. Instead of focusing on what did happen! One cant be willing to value their own fear over anothers rights!
Gill Mccuddy Individual rights end where mass safety does. When you become intoxicated and choose to drive, you are already dangerous. Now add a weapon into the mix.
The guy who posted the question was afraid for the lives of those around the intoxicated. You’re actually suggesting that’s a bad thing?
Who says he was drunk, the op said he thought maybe he was drunk. How would he know if he was from across the parking lot. I have a bad knee and when my arthritis acts up it may appear that I am wasted when someone sees me walking. Would the op report me also? Need more info on the "drunk" before you decide to ruin his day in front of a lot of people. What if this, what if that is not reason enough. Oh my God he switched seats and talked to the manager, I better call law enforcement!
I would never call the cops on a man sitting, standing or walking around in a restaurant that is minding his own business and not causing harm or discomfort to anyone there. It matters not how he's carrying his weapon or the brand of weapon. And weather or not he has a ccw isn't your problem or business. One thing that's fact is, he might've just came from the gym and hanging out with friends or simply stepped out the house quickly to pick up food for his family. We dont know his situation or is it our business until he makes it our business. And now, he didn't make it back home. He now has lost his weapon, ccw, thousands of dollars for legal expenses, maybe his job and most importantly strain has been put on his family. All for what? It would've been a very noble thing to do if he was an immediate danger to himself and others.
I agree theres no reason to report anything if it waznt done wouldnt make you any better then the folks who call the cops for people who rite minding there own business open carrying yes being drunk and carrying is a bad idea but he show some type of responsibility by putting the weapon away while entering a building under the influence Shows hes not out for trouble.
Christopher Campbell Call the cops after a drunk driver kills your kid, or this guy gets pissed off (as drunk people do) and pulls the weapon.
Cops can only prevent disaster with the help of vigilent, responsible citizens.
Taj Mahal exactly more than likely if you talked to him you might have found out more
If you are carrying drunk, Your ccw is invalid. It says right on it. If you’re going to do that, you deserve to lose it. Break the law, face the consequence. Idgaf. Think about your family before you break the law. Ive been arrested for stupid shit and put my family in financial struggles. Still no sympathy for the devil.
Trever Wiebenga How do they say? “Ask for the Devil and he will answer”?
“Knock on hell’s door and it will be answered”? Dunno. My Grandfather always used to say it.
Still, I hear the message echoed.
I'm actually curious, if I'm in my own home drinking and someone breaks in and I shoot them, would I be charged for being intoxicated with a firearm or am I legally protected in my own home by law?
biggest thing that stood out to me is that he didnt have a holster and still brought it with him, holstered would have different. probably the right choice. maybe could have tried talking to him first but dunno if i would have the balls, hard situation
This is what happens when you live in a police state like Nazi Germany and everybody who "see something say something" probably just messed that dudes life up, Also do you know how the man act's normally or when he's drunk no? mind your business until trouble calls then make it your business.
serb214 If only less people thought like you, more lives would be saved each year.
Totally agree.
You should think before you drink. If you are a significant distance from your home and don't have a trusted friend to drive you home you should avoid alcohol. If you are carrying a gun you should also avoid alcohol. Both are tools that can greatly benefit you in your right mind. However, in an intoxicated mind you become a danger to others.
Just curious; what does the brand have to do with it? If the drunk guy was driving a Toyota significant, or is "Glock" kind of like Kleenex™ just a generic word for a black possibly polymer pistol. I know to the layman or liberal all guns are Glock 9mm.
I don't think he was over reacting. He was making a smart and logical choice. If I saw someone drunk carrying any kind of firearm, I would bet nervous. You have no clue what that man, woman, or even child is going to do. I agree with his choice. I would have called the non emergency number and filed a complaint.
I have never encountered this in a public place, but I have encountered people carrying while drinking.
We were at a BBQ and there were a group of guys who were all carrying (the ones who had IWB holsters, but had their shirts tucked behind them "look at my gun"). I watched them from the time I got there and once I counted their third drink, I simply walked to them and asked them if they would mind putting their weapons in their vehicle. All of them complied and there was no situation.
I moonlight as a bartender for a friends restaurant and pretty good at spotting signs of intoxication as well as counting drinks...but they were already there when I showed up, so I cannot count what I don't see.
Though I don't know these guys, they were "friends of a friend"...so the situation is a little different. I would have not hesitated to call LEO if I saw what this guy did in public.
If only he tucked it in front (appendix carry w/out a holster) it made me think of a radio commercial here in the Seattle area. It is for a company that picks up things you want to get rid of. 1-800-Got-Junk... call and as we drive by your junk magically disappears..
I like to think of it this way would you want the cops to be called on you or a friend in this situation probably not considering the amount of stress and trouble it would cause
valters Millers I like to think of it this way. I’d rather not let my younger siblings or friends witness bloodshed. I would much rather act than plan several funerals. I’ve planned them before. And I plan to never again. Not for several decades.
I’m with you I would have kept my eyes on him and I will make sure if there any kids in the store I would’ve been watching them to stay safe