These was a right wing pro Brexit former UKIP independent in 2019 who won 12.2 percent. Almost everyone (including me) expected a swing in favor of the Tories except the opposite happened. They (somehow) won an even smaller percentage.
This is a BIG Tory win. A huge loss of support for Labour over night in one of their strongholds AND the weak Starmer will probably remain leader. It’s a win/win
@@tansoon8257 Galloway ran a campaign on being a protest candidate against Labour. While I have no doubt that he peeled some votes away from Labour, those who tended to vote for him were already frustrated with the party; it's possible that he ended up taking more votes from the Tories or picked up votes from lots of people who otherwise wouldn't have voted at all, particularly as he also ran a campaign which leaned heavily on being socially conservative, so would have had some appeal with people who might have leaned Tory
I think it’s a bit of an oversight to ignore the previous election results: Labour had a big spike in 2017, winning 55.5% of the vote. This decreased to 42.7% in 2019, similar to the result in 2015 (43.2%). This year, Labour received only 35.3% of the vote, and only 323 votes more than the Tories. This only seems like a victory for Starmer’s Labour because they’ve done so terribly in previous by-elections. The Chesham and Amersham by-election showed that people are looking for alternatives to the Tories, and they don’t find Labour appealing.
@@neodym5809 so what changed between 2017 and 2019? The right wing majority moved in? Seems more likely people are fed up with Labour and want alternatives buddy.
There was a swing of nearly 3% from Labour to the Conservatives, if a similar swing was reproduced nationally, Labour would have lost 11 seats. Labour are still losing to a party on its fourth term in government and its electoral coalition is falling apart. This is a disaster.
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Completely agreed. Our media seem to be framing this as a win for Labour but the numbers show the complete opposite. Labour lost 9000 votes compared to 2019 in this seat. Looking at the trend if they had held the election in 2 months time Labour would have lost. I now dont think Labour will ever change. They are the party of the rich London media organisations it seems and they wont allow them to stray too far from their divisive "woke" formula. It will take another party pushing them into 3rd place before anything changes.
@@scubasausage tell me. Why do you think this? Because it makes no sense. Most of the newspapers are right wing. And there is the BBC, which I have yet to see any proof that it is left wing.
The problem I see it is that this government is seen by Brexiteers as being a "new" government. Everything prior to Johnston is seen as Remain Tories whereas Johnston and co are the new Leave Tories. Add the increasing push for feelings and rhetoric over facts and it gets very messy.
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I would hardly call holding onto what used to be a safe seat by just 323 votes a victory. Starmer needs to change tack FAST and actually give people a reason to vote Labour, or resign so that someone else can do it
@@nickrobinson7096 I wish there was. I despise the Conservative Party, but pretty much the only thing going for Labour right now is that they aren't Tories. Can't expect people to enthusiastically back them if they have no vision
@Daniel Stovell honestly I'm not sure who would be best right now, which is quite a depressing situation to be in. Andy Burnham seems like a popular choice who a lot of people say they would prefer as leader, he isn't afraid of setting out a clear vision, and what he's doing for Manchester is clearly working well enough that he just got re-elected as Mayor of Manchester with an increased majority of 67% of the vote in the recent local elections when most Labour councils did very poorly. He seems like someone who could potentially get both wings of the party behind him, and he's Co-operative Party, which I'm a fan of. Unfortunately as he's currently a Mayor rather than an MP I believe that he's technically not eligable to lead the party 😒 I also like Clive Lewis as he is one of the only Labour MPs who I know openly backs electoral reform for a more proportional system, which I think is extremely important
@@robertwinslade3104 Tbh I feel like Andy Burnham's pitch is essentially, "I'm the guy who'll stand up for Manchester against the national government" - that doesn't work if you actually want to be the national government yourself.
Why does palestine have anything to do with british subjects, its thousands of miles away, i cant find anyone in my local pub who gives a shit about palestine.
Although, it seems likely that the result would have been the same had it only been labour and the Tories since Galloway's campaign was largely geared at labour voters. That said, first past the post IS stupid.
@@XMysticHerox Democracy ONLY works with 2 candidates. The reality of democracy is that only one person can sit in each seat of power and the nature of human beings is to fear the negatives more than to pursue the positives and as such democracy will boil down to people voting AGAINST the candidate they FEAR the most rather than FOR the candidate they LIKE the most. Anything beyond that tends to just be people trying to justify their decisions as it’s exceedingly rare that candidates emerge that are actually what people would want to vote for. The most effective form of government is one virtuous person at the head of a nation supported by talented and loyal advisors. That is remarkably rare, historically speaking, so we settled on Democracy, which is about the least effective form of government that exists but it’s also the one that most insulates the country against the excesses of bad leadership… at the cost of doing the same for good leadership. Naturally over time this has had a deleterious effect on the way people engage with politics and the types of politicians we have received as countries. A new voting system isn’t enough to avoid this problem, what is needed is a cultural reevaluation of how we engage with our government and what shape it should take because if even Democracy isn’t going to provide us with good governance what is even the point of it in its current form?
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@@anthonythatcherchurchilled285 I mean Blair and the people who led the UK into the Iraq War did way more damage than a comment from Galloway to the lives of British soldiers. As a lefty I agree with the expulsion, Galloway is a lunatic pseudo-leftist who plays defence for anyone anti-American no matter how horrible and I think the way he obfuscates on his religious beliefs is..... weird. I don't think he has any consistent principles except "america bad". But saying he should be tried for treason is silly.
@Hibana Jager Main And you may have that opinion, and so was he. What he wasn’t allowed to do was call for them to do so, using public office to do so. It’s a pretty simple concept.
James O'Brien nailed it when he said real courage is Leadbeater standing up to the terrorists that murdered your sister. This was a highly unusual situation and trying to project this result to the wider context is extremely risky. The opinion polls here and for the Liberal Democrat victory a few weeks ago show a 6-7% discrepancy compared to the result. That suggests that the 'shy voters' now seem to be progressives. Galloway played an disproportionate role here compared to the more normal situation, taking a most of his votes from Labour. The Tories also manage to cannibalise much of the far right and Independent conservatives compared to previous elections. Neither is very likely to happen in a general election.
It doesn't demonstrate that shy voters are progressives, so much as that voting in by-elections can be very volatile and can change pretty rapidly. I agree that this is a good result for Labour but I think most of the rest of this analysis strays into wishful thinking, of the kind that has led to four consecutive Conservative victories.
Another factor not mentioned was that in 2019, the Tory landslide was in part a Brexit issue. Brexit is gradually fading into history, so if the Tories want to hold on to the gains of 2019 they will have to find some relevance elsewhere. It should also be remembered that the UK is a parliamentary democracy rather than a presidential democracy. Parties can lose even as their leader is popular, and parties can win even as their leaders are unpopular.
I was flabbergasted as we'd heard Labour had a 5% chance of winning. I'm very glad Kim Leadbeater won her sister's old seat , and had a curry to celebrate. Marianne
Not every one expected this to be a Tory win. Such data as there was placed the outcome well within the margin of error and the overall majority of the result clearly reflects this. What is clear though is that the overall swing away from Labour presented here is on trend with a national pattern which has been evident for nearly 10 years now and makes for grim reading long term for the Labour party. They are on the horns of an invidious dilemma. If they go further left, they'll lose even more overall support. If they shift right, they'll have a furious infight that could easily split them in two.
I live in Batley and Spen, and was delighted to see Kim win (stayed up to watch the result, there was cheering when it was announced in the area). I'd add that after her sister's death, she's done a lot of work in the community which means she's extremely well respected amongst all residents in the area, regardless of political bias. I think a few Muslim voters switched to vote for Kim in the voting booth after initially saying they'd vote Galloway when they realised he didn't have any significant local policies, he just wanted the seat to push his international agenda in Westminster. After what happened to Jo, it's still great to see hope beating hate in this area. Proud to be from Batley and Spen!
@@Jack-fs2im he did go on trial. We don't talk about him in Batley and Spen, we're about moving forward from that dark day. I didn't reference him in my comment, please don't reply to me mentioning him. Cheers
@@benfish92 No problem replying to your question, and I’m happy to elaborate but the answer isn’t very palatable to many people. So yes, to be blunt, being the sister of an MP that was murdered has to generate a sympathy vote. It’s not a nice thing to admit but it’s human nature. Not really something Labour can replicate as a way to get votes (unless more MP’s start to be murdered who also have close relatives that want to take up their cause). I have no idea how good or bad Kim Leadbeater will be, I don’t know her and haven’t followed the campaign but the situation can’t be denied. Hopefully she will be a great MP and prove worthy of the confidence that has been given too her by her late sisters supporters. Yes it’s a cynical view, but I’m a cynic and a realist.
I hope Labour gets a new leader! No offence to Kier but he cannot win the 2024 election I don’t think! They need someone who is charismatic like Boris but less of an idiot
Who do you think is going to be a choice for the Labour Party (I won't bet that John Bercow become the Leader of Labour Party since he recently join last month)?
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Galloway runs on whatever agenda he thinks can help him. He ran on a racist ticket in Scotland and face-planted the 5% threshold, this time round he was racist again, but in left-wing guise. Who knows next time he might be a vegan gay buddhist if he thinks that will somehow get him votes.
@@dschoene57 ever since he was kicked out of Labour for telling British troops to display orders, he's pretty much abandoned being a socialist and instead decided that the socialy conservative Muslim vote is what he wants even at the expense of his supposedly socialist principles which is pretty funny for a man that's been married and divorced 4(if I remember correctly) times. Same as in Scotland, he claimed for years to have no love for the UK or Britishness, yet as soon as he wanted unionist votes he was suddenly one opinion poll away for shagging the rangers X11
George Galloway tried to stand in the Scottish elections in May and got absolutely embarrassed, all he does is create tension and friction between people, he needs to go.
This video is a friendly reminder that Muslims are still part of a religion. There seems to be this prevailing belief that just because someone is discriminated against, they can't discriminate against others, which is simply not true. The clear distaste for equality in parts of the Islamic church should be spoken out against, just as the same should happen in parts of the Catholic church and parts of the Protestant churches.
They won against the odds. The Tory vote unexpectedly declined from 2019, and even with a strong Galloway performance it wasn’t enough for Labour to lose out. It’s actually quite impressive they managed to pull it off. Also, it’s not really a red wall seat...
@@caseysmith4206 True, but they're also the opposition party and were going up against an absolute non-entity of a Tory candidate. It's an unexpected victory, but exceeding expectations that are already in the toilet isn't all that impressive. For Starmer to gleefully declare "Labour is back" is hilarious.
@@Irishtradchannel Yeah this is certainly true. But, social democratic parties across the west are in retreat - so Labour can't take anything for granted - even a pretty marginal victory like this.
We need more right wing parties, not because I agree. Just that it makes the spoiler effect work against the Tories, rather than just effecting the left
@@thejoin4687 I'd say labour is pretty weak right now. I wouldn't say they were right wing. At least they are a lot more left than the Tories. Baby steps.
Brexit Party and Reform UK. Its just the right wing voters vote tactically for different elections. They vote for other right wing parties in PR elections (Euro elections for example) or when they want to change Tory policy on something (EU referendum). If you think left wing voters all want the same thing (I don't think they do) it should be easy for Labour to win their votes
There were a few in this by-election, and whilst they did (really) poorly, their combined votes would have been enough for the tories, had they tactically voted against Labour.
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@@hamehz9120 "I know my sister would have wanted me to run", she used this whole relationship to try & gain votes, and then after her victory "if im just half the MP Jo Cox was" ie. Basically slipping out how she's inexperienced and when she inevitably does a poor job (like how she can't answer questions straight) she will no doubt play it off. This is the truth & no one cares if you feel insulted.
Those parents who harassed the Labour candidate because their kids are being taught about LGBTQ issues are exactly the reason why those issues need to be taught.
They should be taught but it will be seen as a war on Islamic values. Teachers would need extra security. It should be done no matter the cost or outcome but people should be ready for the backlash.
I don't think you should have named the murderer of Jo Cox.. It only gives them personal attention for their actions. Only the attacker's motivations should have been mentioned.
As a member of the constituency I can say it was a close vote... but an expected one. We voted Labour becouse the Conservative member didnt even live in our area of west Yorkshire.
The labour party played a very dirty trick they portrayed a picture of pm modi and told that by saying don't risk a tory mp who is not on your side this is absolutely biased
Momentum in politics is everything. This may be a marginal victory but that 300 vote margin totally transforms Starmer’s chances of holding on to the leadership. Of course the major reason why this is viewed as a success for Labour is because expectations were so low. Also, it appears Labour may have picked up Tory votes in the traditional Tory areas. Perhaps Conservative voters are feeing a little taken for granted...
Are you having a laugh? Labour lost seats compared to 2019, which lost seats compared to 2017. The Tories lost seats too actually, but less severely than Labour. Starmer cannot be seen as a good leader when his claim is ‘see, we arent losing voters as fast as you might expect!!!’. This is another disaster for Labour, less and less people vote for them.
@markyes Labour cannot occupy the middle anymore, Blair did that very effectively, but cost some of the soul of the party and the Tories adapted quickly. Then Brown showed how power hungry, greedy and corrupt many of those politicians were/are. The manifesto in 2017 was very popular, they actually made gains in many places, but the issue was messed up by Brexit. This needs to be put behind them, supporting Brexit and returning those policies. They need a new Leader, who isn't a Sir and hasn't spent most of his life brushing shoulders with some of the richest people in the UK, and bring the party back to the left. Of course there will be a huge amount of in fighting preventing this as a huge number of MP's are just Tory-lite now. I'm not sure how to fight that as Corbyn tried and failed. In addition to this they need to concede Scotland and make a pact with the SNP. Honestly the party is so fucked at this point its very hard to rescue. Its just clear the party didn't want to change to Corbyn style politics that were engaging younger voters, and voters don't want the empty words of Starmer and the rest of the Labour cronies.
I'm glad our voting trends are changing. Voting for one party just because you always have never made sense to me. Consider your options learn about the candidates and the policy and let your vote be counted.
It sounds a bit computerish to me, which would account for the persistent mispronunciation of place names like Kashmir and Amersham not too mention Leadbeater.
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voters voted for Jo Cox instead of Starmer or Labour party. This election is a win for Cox and a loss for both Boris Johnson and George Galloway, 2 opportunists. but it is NOT a win for Starmer's Labour.
Starmers lost one bye election Hartlepool, Corbyn lost 2 elections there is a difference. It’s been a hard year where it’s been difficult to make news as an opposition leader. In a couple years the failure of Brexit , levelling up and more disenfranchised younger voters will chip away and voters might actually remember who actually been running country for last 11 years. Add to that I wouldn’t mind a bet that Johnson and friends won’t produce more bad headlines ie contracts for cronies
Why is it surprising? I thought you guys were gonna do less clickbait? They’ve had the seat since 1997 and barely won a majority, it goes with the trend of Conservatives winning these seats over, they just didnt quite win enough to tip them over. It still shows Labour are doing awfully, and not that they are winning people back.
They mentioned in the video they actually prepared a video for the event that labour loses and referred to that trend. I suppose they did not want to throw all the work away and made this video instead. Might also found it interesting enough to talk about labour not losing, If that makes sense. As a non-brit this definitely was interesting for me and helpful to understand a lil more about what's going on
I mean it is a surprising win when every single political pundit predicted it to go to the conservatives especially with Galloway in the race. Plus exit polling certainly shows how conservative voters aren't at all as solid tory as once believed. It is politically relevant.
@@Bibky the pundits have been so wrong so many times the past 6-7 years that its not surprising in the slightest. Besides, like I mentioned, this still follows the trend of Tories winning over red seats. It WAS normal for the opposite to frequently steal a seat during a by-election. Whats been crazy recently is during a general election how many red seats went blue. Labour barely holding on to a seat isn’t surprising. Its the trend, they are either losing or barely staying afloat. If they won a landslide I’d agree it would be surprising. Anyway, my point is more regarding the negative feedback TLDR claimed to take on regarding clickbait, and in my opinion, this is a clickbaity title.
@@jonsmith5058 But it’s a fact that polling and nation wide trends should’ve made this a easy victory for conservatives especially a brexit voting seat. It wasn’t normal for the opposite to happen tories been winning these by elections in brexit seats for a while now.
@@Bibky but like I said, it was 150 seats in it, it still follows the same trends as we keep seeing, just not as severe as we have since elsewhere. So its more like the weather forcast said ‘Heavy Rain’ and then saying ‘Surprise weather change!!! Light showers!!!’.
So many things could have tipped it, given the tight margin. The Tories having a local candidate, labour choosing a different candidate (especially a parachute), the greens standing (they withdrew), the English Democrat and UKIP voters deciding to tactically back the Tories...all sorts. Even the Lib Dem campaign seemed have their foot off the gas (thankfully for Labour). The result is a relief for Labour rather than a triumph.
If you look at the Con vote it REDUCED from 36% in 2019 to 34.4% and that ignores the 3.2% that the Brexit party got in 2019 that you might expect the Cons to pick up. I think the “popularity” of Johnson etc. is slipping!
Looks like the Conservatives may be vulnerable in 2029. Labour can't win in 24, gap is too big. A win in 29 would need things to start going right quickly.
Considering the fact Galloway isn’t going to run in the next election, the Conservatives almost definitely win next time, because Galloway took a lot of the socially conservative votes.
Just to be clear TLDR, the Tory's didn't 'nick' the Hartlepool seat, Labour lost it because the white working class in Hartlepool were fed up with the Jeremy Corbyn, North London Wokism Politics that basically said you are racist if you voted Brexit. Once Labour return to the middle ground, they may get some more traction with the electorate, until then they are just going to continue serving this country on a plate to the Conservatives. Why don't you take a knee for that Kier?
Don't think it will make much difference. Labour would need a massive swing in the red wall seats it's already lost Scotland. So I think sir keir may be a Neil Kinnock like figure although more intelligent. He like Neil was doomed from the start.
Most of the stuff I read was predicting labour would squeak home. A loss would have been a shock. You shouldn't underestimate the value of troops on the ground when there is a high profile spoiler candidate with out a local organisation. Door knocking and getting your voters to the polls works.
Starmer jumped on this outcome saying a 'fantastic result for Labour'. Of course, he had to milk it as much as possible knowing his head is still on chopping block.
This is the first video of TLDR’s that I’ve watched with the new video/promotional format. It’s good, makes the content more enjoyable. Well done TLDR team ☺️
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I get really pissed off at socially conservative lefties who don't realise why intersectionality is so important, in some cases it's better than the alternative though like with Pedro Castillo in Peru.
@@Irishtradchannel Imagine not understanding that intersectionality mixes class struggle with the struggle against racism, sexism and many more and how you cannot solve one with fixing the other there will always be a snobbish middle-class so long white supremacist, patriarchal and capitalistic culture of domination exists. So all workers of the world unite and unionise.
That's funny you think I'm not real also wanting to crush me really exposes a superiority complex. Also I think you're living in a fantasy world if you expect the world around you is just fine, people aren't exploited on a regular basis and this planet isn't being ripped apart as capitalism demands infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.
I'm suprised fighting for the muslim vote worked so well, according to kirklees council, batley and spen is 76% white british, 10% pakistani and 10% indian I would imagine most of the stances that where in the election leaflets might have pleased the Pakistanis, It would have displeased the Indians. I would also see this disproportionate attention would alienate a huge portion of the white British vote.
More than half think homosexuality should be illegal. Actually illegal. Do you think Muslim voters are more pro abortion and pro premarital sex than random uk person?
Galloway seems to be what we call a Nazbol (national bolshevik) (other terms may refer to people of the same stripe.) A type of person who's political advocacy involves, at least aesthetically, a focus on workers rights and socialist policy while disregard or being outright adversarial towards social causes and diversity. Essentially it's Naziism before they killed all the socialist in the party. They can be characterized as fascists in red. Something to be careful of going forward is the argument that in order to achieve workers rights ect. you must abandon both multiculturalism and diversity. They might side with some groups that are less progressive for their support before also casting them aside. This type of advocacy also aims for more authoritarian government - which isn't socialist at all. Workers rights aren't even a given in the long run - look to fascist states as examples. It's a complex and seemingly contradictory position, but nothing new.
People need to clamp down hard on people who threaten or accost politicians for policy positions like teaching kids about LGBT people. I'm gay. It would've made a world of difference to know I wasn't alone in the world.
@@Irishtradchannel It may be seen as Islamophobic. My response to that would be, many religions vie for influence, and they largely spew the same homophobic rhetoric. How could it be Islmlophobic if all religions are treated the same?
A victory against all the odds for a great candidate who is very active and respected in her community. If Labour can find candidates deeply rooted and genuinely respected in their communities and not just parachute people into constituencies this might help them in future, but let's face it, if Labour survive as a political party it will take at least a decade or two for them to recover as a political force capable of gaining power.
Deeply rooted and genuinely respected? How have you invented that narrative? She was a first time candidate selected for nepotism not competence. Her campaign resorted to South Asian and Middle East sectarianism. She represents the worst of politics.
So I feel like Batley & Spen is historically a Tory-leaning area, but has been Labour recently as the Pakistani community has grown in size. Therefore, for Labour to win even when a spoiler candidate is taking most of the Pakistani votes away is fairly impressive, IMO.
Galloway is... complicated. He is still a left-winger, albeit a rather heretical one, but many of the people voting for him are not doing so because they themselves are left-wing.
Something that wasn't mentioned in the video: In 2019, the right-wing vote was split by the Brexit party: so that makes this result for Labour even more impressive.
There's quite a few issues with this video: you failed to mention the context of the Cox shooting that it was during the EU referendum. Leadbeater was not shouted at by local parents, in the clip you show a Birmingham activist.
The Tories put in almost zero campaigning / canvassing effort on the ground. Their strategy was basically to hide while Labour and Galloway battled each other, and slip through the middle. Many eligible voters in the constituency probably didn’t even know the name of the Tory candidate. It’s scary to think that despite all of that they still very nearly won.
Lest we forget, the Tories were pretty disengaged in the 2019 election, too. Their manifesto was extremely thin, they answered every question with "get Brexit done", and they ran away from TV interviews and other forms of scrutiny. It is bad for democracy when saying nothing is such a potent electoral strategy. How can you hold people accountable for their promises when they don't even promise anything to begin with?
@@alexpotts6520 I completely agree. To me that’s another reason why I think it’s utterly ridiculous for anyone that isn’t a diehard Tory supporter / member to support retaining FPTP at general elections, and oppose a proportional voting system. There are many reasons why FPTP is a terrible system and is unfit for purpose in the 21st century. From Labour’s perspective under the current system they only get into power when sufficient people grow tired of the Tories and want a change. In the 90s the public were thoroughly fed up of the Tories who were basically finished after the March 1993 budget when they put VAT on fuel. So the Tories control the timetable. Plus PR would allow the different factions of the party to split without fear of electoral suicide and also end the daily and tiresome in-fighting: Rebecca Long-Bailey and Rachel Reeves for example being in the same party as each other is farcical.
I would have a question: what happened to Labor that everyone calls them weak? (PS. I am not from the United Kingdom and I would like to understand what was the root of the party's scandal)
I saw the result summarised as "Labour are winners, but not victors", which I think it fair.
“Labour, against all odds, managed to barely not lose.”
Which I think is fairer.
Perfect summary
Same as Scotland beat England 0-0. Which was kinda true
"Labour barely survives historic voter swing to the tories".
Labour by-election was fraud
A Pyrrhic victory.
The Tories barely even bothered campaigning and still nearly won. This is NOT good news for Starmer
These was a right wing pro Brexit former UKIP independent in 2019 who won 12.2 percent. Almost everyone (including me) expected a swing in favor of the Tories except the opposite happened. They (somehow) won an even smaller percentage.
This is a BIG Tory win.
A huge loss of support for Labour over night in one of their strongholds AND the weak Starmer will probably remain leader.
It’s a win/win
@@sparkymarky7504 exactly
Wasn't the vote split between labour and Galloway? Labour might have won by a even bigger margin if not for Galloway
@@tansoon8257 Galloway ran a campaign on being a protest candidate against Labour. While I have no doubt that he peeled some votes away from Labour, those who tended to vote for him were already frustrated with the party; it's possible that he ended up taking more votes from the Tories or picked up votes from lots of people who otherwise wouldn't have voted at all, particularly as he also ran a campaign which leaned heavily on being socially conservative, so would have had some appeal with people who might have leaned Tory
I think it’s a bit of an oversight to ignore the previous election results: Labour had a big spike in 2017, winning 55.5% of the vote. This decreased to 42.7% in 2019, similar to the result in 2015 (43.2%). This year, Labour received only 35.3% of the vote, and only 323 votes more than the Tories. This only seems like a victory for Starmer’s Labour because they’ve done so terribly in previous by-elections. The Chesham and Amersham by-election showed that people are looking for alternatives to the Tories, and they don’t find Labour appealing.
2019 showed that there is a right wing majority there, so winning now was actually against the odds.
@@neodym5809 so what changed between 2017 and 2019?
The right wing majority moved in?
Seems more likely people are fed up with Labour and want alternatives buddy.
@@jonsmith5058 more like tories are shit to. But less shitty.
@@jonsmith5058 Brexit is what changed in 2019.
@Marlboro Light The rich and powerful were the worst hit by Brexit, what are you on about
I wouldn't say the Batley and Spen result is exactly a victory for Labour
There was a swing of nearly 3% from Labour to the Conservatives, if a similar swing was reproduced nationally, Labour would have lost 11 seats.
Labour are still losing to a party on its fourth term in government and its electoral coalition is falling apart. This is a disaster.
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@@allysonhanks7367 thats creepy
Completely agreed. Our media seem to be framing this as a win for Labour but the numbers show the complete opposite. Labour lost 9000 votes compared to 2019 in this seat. Looking at the trend if they had held the election in 2 months time Labour would have lost.
I now dont think Labour will ever change. They are the party of the rich London media organisations it seems and they wont allow them to stray too far from their divisive "woke" formula. It will take another party pushing them into 3rd place before anything changes.
@@scubasausage tell me. Why do you think this? Because it makes no sense. Most of the newspapers are right wing. And there is the BBC, which I have yet to see any proof that it is left wing.
The problem I see it is that this government is seen by Brexiteers as being a "new" government. Everything prior to Johnston is seen as Remain Tories whereas Johnston and co are the new Leave Tories. Add the increasing push for feelings and rhetoric over facts and it gets very messy.
I wonder if anyone living in Palestine will be concerned about Batley and Spen's bin collections and road maintenance?
Good one 😂
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So basically Labour won by appealing to ethnic and religious tensions/hatred.
Isn't that a heartening and motivating start to any 'comeback'.
I would hardly call holding onto what used to be a safe seat by just 323 votes a victory. Starmer needs to change tack FAST and actually give people a reason to vote Labour, or resign so that someone else can do it
@@nickrobinson7096 I wish there was. I despise the Conservative Party, but pretty much the only thing going for Labour right now is that they aren't Tories. Can't expect people to enthusiastically back them if they have no vision
@Daniel Stovell honestly I'm not sure who would be best right now, which is quite a depressing situation to be in. Andy Burnham seems like a popular choice who a lot of people say they would prefer as leader, he isn't afraid of setting out a clear vision, and what he's doing for Manchester is clearly working well enough that he just got re-elected as Mayor of Manchester with an increased majority of 67% of the vote in the recent local elections when most Labour councils did very poorly. He seems like someone who could potentially get both wings of the party behind him, and he's Co-operative Party, which I'm a fan of. Unfortunately as he's currently a Mayor rather than an MP I believe that he's technically not eligable to lead the party 😒
I also like Clive Lewis as he is one of the only Labour MPs who I know openly backs electoral reform for a more proportional system, which I think is extremely important
@@robertwinslade3104 Tbh I feel like Andy Burnham's pitch is essentially, "I'm the guy who'll stand up for Manchester against the national government" - that doesn't work if you actually want to be the national government yourself.
The saddest part is how Palestine and Kashmir are somehow an issue worth raising in a West Yorkshire market town. Absolute state of it
Why is that a bad thing?
@@Lennon6412 It is great that there are no local problems.
@@Lennon6412
If you hadn’t noticed Yorkshire is not located in either Palestine or Lebanon.
Why does palestine have anything to do with british subjects, its thousands of miles away, i cant find anyone in my local pub who gives a shit about palestine.
well, muslim voters unironically care about it, and there are apparently quite a few there, so it would have been raised with probability of 100%
Video on the DUP and Northern Ireland parties please.
Definitely!
Watch footage of wildfires in California. That pretty much gets you caught up.
@@davidpeterson5647 ahaha
Watch the Flintstones to get an idea of the DUP.
They're not going to able to cover all that in a 10 min video...
Aaaand here comes another episode of why first past the post is stupid.
It's so annoying :/
FPTP isn't necessarily stupid, It's just really stupid when it includes more than two candidates.
Although, it seems likely that the result would have been the same had it only been labour and the Tories since Galloway's campaign was largely geared at labour voters. That said, first past the post IS stupid.
@@AquaDogYT A democracy needs more than two candidates to work.
@@XMysticHerox
Democracy ONLY works with 2 candidates. The reality of democracy is that only one person can sit in each seat of power and the nature of human beings is to fear the negatives more than to pursue the positives and as such democracy will boil down to people voting AGAINST the candidate they FEAR the most rather than FOR the candidate they LIKE the most. Anything beyond that tends to just be people trying to justify their decisions as it’s exceedingly rare that candidates emerge that are actually what people would want to vote for.
The most effective form of government is one virtuous person at the head of a nation supported by talented and loyal advisors. That is remarkably rare, historically speaking, so we settled on Democracy, which is about the least effective form of government that exists but it’s also the one that most insulates the country against the excesses of bad leadership… at the cost of doing the same for good leadership. Naturally over time this has had a deleterious effect on the way people engage with politics and the types of politicians we have received as countries.
A new voting system isn’t enough to avoid this problem, what is needed is a cultural reevaluation of how we engage with our government and what shape it should take because if even Democracy isn’t going to provide us with good governance what is even the point of it in its current form?
Barely won a by-election where most locals haven't seen the Tory candidate for it A* performance all round
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George Galloway when there is a large Muslim community: it’s election time.
'kicked out due to his opposition to the Iraq war', little more than that though wasn't it
@Hibana Jager Main He called for mutiny amongst British soldiers, he should have been tried for treason AS WELL AS being expelled from the party.
@@anthonythatcherchurchilled285 I mean Blair and the people who led the UK into the Iraq War did way more damage than a comment from Galloway to the lives of British soldiers. As a lefty I agree with the expulsion, Galloway is a lunatic pseudo-leftist who plays defence for anyone anti-American no matter how horrible and I think the way he obfuscates on his religious beliefs is..... weird. I don't think he has any consistent principles except "america bad". But saying he should be tried for treason is silly.
@@DmitriPolkovnik I do agree with you on that part. The treason part is a little hyperbolic, although I do see how a case could stand.
@Hibana Jager Main “Based and redpilled” isn’t a defence for calling for the mutiny of the British Armed Forces.
My profile picture is irrelevant.
@Hibana Jager Main And you may have that opinion, and so was he. What he wasn’t allowed to do was call for them to do so, using public office to do so. It’s a pretty simple concept.
James O'Brien nailed it when he said real courage is Leadbeater standing up to the terrorists that murdered your sister.
This was a highly unusual situation and trying to project this result to the wider context is extremely risky.
The opinion polls here and for the Liberal Democrat victory a few weeks ago show a 6-7% discrepancy compared to the result. That suggests that the 'shy voters' now seem to be progressives.
Galloway played an disproportionate role here compared to the more normal situation, taking a most of his votes from Labour. The Tories also manage to cannibalise much of the far right and Independent conservatives compared to previous elections. Neither is very likely to happen in a general election.
Turn out was 48% in batley. Cant read into any of this tbh
Joe Cox killer never stood trial so the reason is unknown
It doesn't demonstrate that shy voters are progressives, so much as that voting in by-elections can be very volatile and can change pretty rapidly.
I agree that this is a good result for Labour but I think most of the rest of this analysis strays into wishful thinking, of the kind that has led to four consecutive Conservative victories.
Who is James O.Brien please explain who he is
Another factor not mentioned was that in 2019, the Tory landslide was in part a Brexit issue. Brexit is gradually fading into history, so if the Tories want to hold on to the gains of 2019 they will have to find some relevance elsewhere.
It should also be remembered that the UK is a parliamentary democracy rather than a presidential democracy. Parties can lose even as their leader is popular, and parties can win even as their leaders are unpopular.
This will get lost in the comments, but thank you for listening to us and putting the merch plugs at the end
I was flabbergasted as we'd heard Labour had a 5% chance of winning. I'm very glad Kim Leadbeater won her sister's old seat , and had a curry to celebrate.
Marianne
if the Greens had allowed their candidate to stand or simply refielded a new candidate then I think Labour would have not held this seat
And yet there was an alternative Green candidate.
RIP jo cox 💔
Not every one expected this to be a Tory win. Such data as there was placed the outcome well within the margin of error and the overall majority of the result clearly reflects this. What is clear though is that the overall swing away from Labour presented here is on trend with a national pattern which has been evident for nearly 10 years now and makes for grim reading long term for the Labour party. They are on the horns of an invidious dilemma. If they go further left, they'll lose even more overall support. If they shift right, they'll have a furious infight that could easily split them in two.
I live in Batley and Spen, and was delighted to see Kim win (stayed up to watch the result, there was cheering when it was announced in the area). I'd add that after her sister's death, she's done a lot of work in the community which means she's extremely well respected amongst all residents in the area, regardless of political bias.
I think a few Muslim voters switched to vote for Kim in the voting booth after initially saying they'd vote Galloway when they realised he didn't have any significant local policies, he just wanted the seat to push his international agenda in Westminster.
After what happened to Jo, it's still great to see hope beating hate in this area. Proud to be from Batley and Spen!
The killer if Joe never stood trial so the reason he did it is not known.Not even Toff SIR kier knows
@@Jack-fs2im he did go on trial. We don't talk about him in Batley and Spen, we're about moving forward from that dark day. I didn't reference him in my comment, please don't reply to me mentioning him. Cheers
@@alexfirth Please don,t make false statements.cheers
@@alexfirth His reason was never established ,if you have any show it please and nothing political was proved
@@alexfirth You raised what happened to Joe and made it a politacal issue without evidence...naughty
Let’s face it. The unique selling point of Kim Leadbeater, the winning Labour candidate can’t really translate well to other seats.
Genuine question, I don't mean to be insensitive. What do you mean by Leadbeater's USP? Just being Jo Cox's sister, or are there other things?
@@benfish92 No problem replying to your question, and I’m happy to elaborate but the answer isn’t very palatable to many people. So yes, to be blunt, being the sister of an MP that was murdered has to generate a sympathy vote. It’s not a nice thing to admit but it’s human nature. Not really something Labour can replicate as a way to get votes (unless more MP’s start to be murdered who also have close relatives that want to take up their cause). I have no idea how good or bad Kim Leadbeater will be, I don’t know her and haven’t followed the campaign but the situation can’t be denied. Hopefully she will be a great MP and prove worthy of the confidence that has been given too her by her late sisters supporters. Yes it’s a cynical view, but I’m a cynic and a realist.
On the flipside, nor can the sort of sectarian campaign that clearly cost Labour votes.
I hope Labour gets a new leader! No offence to Kier but he cannot win the 2024 election I don’t think! They need someone who is charismatic like Boris but less of an idiot
Who do you think is going to be a choice for the Labour Party (I won't bet that John Bercow become the Leader of Labour Party since he recently join last month)?
@@jasonwilliamtjandra I don’t know? I love John bercow but not as leader, maybe Andy Burnham?
They need some actual policies. He needs to stop telling his own voters and membeds to piss off
No one can win the 2024 election, the gap is too big to close.
An exceptional leader will close it so 2029 is a real possibility for labour.
They barely scraped a majority
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A very nasty election indeed.
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I thought they gained a seat, they held the seat by a razor thin margin lmao
The people shouting at Kim weren't just random Muslim parents from the constituency it was some guy from Birmingham.
Galloway once said the only flag he has any respect for is red, funny how that tune changes when you need some votes
Galloway runs on whatever agenda he thinks can help him. He ran on a racist ticket in Scotland and face-planted the 5% threshold, this time round he was racist again, but in left-wing guise. Who knows next time he might be a vegan gay buddhist if he thinks that will somehow get him votes.
@@dschoene57 ever since he was kicked out of Labour for telling British troops to display orders, he's pretty much abandoned being a socialist and instead decided that the socialy conservative Muslim vote is what he wants even at the expense of his supposedly socialist principles which is pretty funny for a man that's been married and divorced 4(if I remember correctly) times. Same as in Scotland, he claimed for years to have no love for the UK or Britishness, yet as soon as he wanted unionist votes he was suddenly one opinion poll away for shagging the rangers X11
@@cmecoo3109 So basically, he's a typical politician.
@@dschoene57 vegan gay buddhist lmao
actually, in that by-election the only flag he needed to respect is 🇵🇸
I liked the new format for the ad section of the video. Much less disruptive at the beginning and gets to the point of the video faster.
How is keeping a seat with a reduced majority "fighting back"?
UK voters: Happy to lend the vote to other parties
US voters: Heck no
George Galloway tried to stand in the Scottish elections in May and got absolutely embarrassed, all he does is create tension and friction between people, he needs to go.
This video is a friendly reminder that Muslims are still part of a religion. There seems to be this prevailing belief that just because someone is discriminated against, they can't discriminate against others, which is simply not true. The clear distaste for equality in parts of the Islamic church should be spoken out against, just as the same should happen in parts of the Catholic church and parts of the Protestant churches.
Not really a fight back when they barely managed to hang onto a majority in a red-wall seat.
They won against the odds. The Tory vote unexpectedly declined from 2019, and even with a strong Galloway performance it wasn’t enough for Labour to lose out. It’s actually quite impressive they managed to pull it off. Also, it’s not really a red wall seat...
@@caseysmith4206 True, but they're also the opposition party and were going up against an absolute non-entity of a Tory candidate. It's an unexpected victory, but exceeding expectations that are already in the toilet isn't all that impressive. For Starmer to gleefully declare "Labour is back" is hilarious.
@@caseysmith4206 After 11 years in opposition, barely holding seats is not an achievement. It was damage limitation.
@@caseysmith4206 Labour is not a British Party so will do well in such areas.SIR kier the toff knows that
@@Irishtradchannel Yeah this is certainly true. But, social democratic parties across the west are in retreat - so Labour can't take anything for granted - even a pretty marginal victory like this.
We need more right wing parties, not because I agree. Just that it makes the spoiler effect work against the Tories, rather than just effecting the left
Well, Labour's pretty right wing.
@@thejoin4687 I'd say labour is pretty weak right now. I wouldn't say they were right wing. At least they are a lot more left than the Tories. Baby steps.
Brexit Party and Reform UK. Its just the right wing voters vote tactically for different elections. They vote for other right wing parties in PR elections (Euro elections for example) or when they want to change Tory policy on something (EU referendum).
If you think left wing voters all want the same thing (I don't think they do) it should be easy for Labour to win their votes
There were a few in this by-election, and whilst they did (really) poorly, their combined votes would have been enough for the tories, had they tactically voted against Labour.
Thank Murdoch for the Hancock story leaked at just the right time.
Yes I'm sure Batley and Spen was at the forefront of his mind at the time
Murdoch is a tory
Such a pleasure hearing Ben again! I've nothing against Jack, but the variety is very welcome.
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^^^^^ that's fake obviously
Lol he's clinging onto any win he can get. Everyone knows this was a symbolic victory. She ran on her sisters name
She quite literally didn’t and that’s just insulting to say.
@@hamehz9120 "I know my sister would have wanted me to run", she used this whole relationship to try & gain votes, and then after her victory "if im just half the MP Jo Cox was" ie. Basically slipping out how she's inexperienced and when she inevitably does a poor job (like how she can't answer questions straight) she will no doubt play it off.
This is the truth & no one cares if you feel insulted.
It is Julian Assange's birthday today (3rd July). Are you going to be making a video on this journalist's situation any time soon?
Labour- narrowly win a seat they have held for 24 years TLDR- is this a comeback?
Those parents who harassed the Labour candidate because their kids are being taught about LGBTQ issues are exactly the reason why those issues need to be taught.
They should be taught but it will be seen as a war on Islamic values.
Teachers would need extra security.
It should be done no matter the cost or outcome but people should be ready for the backlash.
At 05:39 - Guys, it's *Narendra* Modi, not Nadera Modi...
Ignoring a massive homophobic campaign.
Attacking Indians.
Ignoring the anti semitism.
Having a well known local.
I don't think you should have named the murderer of Jo Cox.. It only gives them personal attention for their actions. Only the attacker's motivations should have been mentioned.
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As a member of the constituency I can say it was a close vote... but an expected one.
We voted Labour becouse the Conservative member didnt even live in our area of west Yorkshire.
You mean like nearly every candidate?
Holding onto a seat they've had since 1997? Big whoop, now only over 150 seats to win back from the Tories while at a massive deficit in the polls...
Big Whoop. The biggest treasure of them all. A treasure so valuable and so well hidden, that it haunts the dreams of every pirate on the seas.
Labour barely won
The labour party played a very dirty trick they portrayed a picture of pm modi and told that by saying don't risk a tory mp who is not on your side this is absolutely biased
And it also shows the growing and worrying power of Islam in the U.K. voting trends.
Ben and Jack sound so similar I didn’t even realise it was a different narrator at first
Momentum in politics is everything. This may be a marginal victory but that 300 vote margin totally transforms Starmer’s chances of holding on to the leadership. Of course the major reason why this is viewed as a success for Labour is because expectations were so low.
Also, it appears Labour may have picked up Tory votes in the traditional Tory areas. Perhaps Conservative voters are feeing a little taken for granted...
Are you having a laugh? Labour lost seats compared to 2019, which lost seats compared to 2017.
The Tories lost seats too actually, but less severely than Labour.
Starmer cannot be seen as a good leader when his claim is ‘see, we arent losing voters as fast as you might expect!!!’.
This is another disaster for Labour, less and less people vote for them.
@markyes Labour cannot occupy the middle anymore, Blair did that very effectively, but cost some of the soul of the party and the Tories adapted quickly.
Then Brown showed how power hungry, greedy and corrupt many of those politicians were/are.
The manifesto in 2017 was very popular, they actually made gains in many places, but the issue was messed up by Brexit.
This needs to be put behind them, supporting Brexit and returning those policies.
They need a new Leader, who isn't a Sir and hasn't spent most of his life brushing shoulders with some of the richest people in the UK, and bring the party back to the left.
Of course there will be a huge amount of in fighting preventing this as a huge number of MP's are just Tory-lite now.
I'm not sure how to fight that as Corbyn tried and failed.
In addition to this they need to concede Scotland and make a pact with the SNP.
Honestly the party is so fucked at this point its very hard to rescue. Its just clear the party didn't want to change to Corbyn style politics that were engaging younger voters, and voters don't want the empty words of Starmer and the rest of the Labour cronies.
I'm glad our voting trends are changing. Voting for one party just because you always have never made sense to me. Consider your options learn about the candidates and the policy and let your vote be counted.
Agreed.
As much as I like hearing the other voice of TLDR. sometimes who ever voices this video should voice more videos
It sounds a bit computerish to me, which would account for the persistent mispronunciation of place names like Kashmir and Amersham not too mention Leadbeater.
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voters voted for Jo Cox instead of Starmer or Labour party. This election is a win for Cox and a loss for both Boris Johnson and George Galloway, 2 opportunists. but it is NOT a win for Starmer's Labour.
Starmers lost one bye election Hartlepool, Corbyn lost 2 elections there is a difference. It’s been a hard year where it’s been difficult to make news as an opposition leader. In a couple years the failure of Brexit , levelling up and more disenfranchised younger voters will chip away and voters might actually remember who actually been running country for last 11 years. Add to that I wouldn’t mind a bet that Johnson and friends won’t produce more bad headlines ie contracts for cronies
Why is it surprising?
I thought you guys were gonna do less clickbait?
They’ve had the seat since 1997 and barely won a majority, it goes with the trend of Conservatives winning these seats over, they just didnt quite win enough to tip them over. It still shows Labour are doing awfully, and not that they are winning people back.
They mentioned in the video they actually prepared a video for the event that labour loses and referred to that trend. I suppose they did not want to throw all the work away and made this video instead. Might also found it interesting enough to talk about labour not losing, If that makes sense.
As a non-brit this definitely was interesting for me and helpful to understand a lil more about what's going on
I mean it is a surprising win when every single political pundit predicted it to go to the conservatives especially with Galloway in the race. Plus exit polling certainly shows how conservative voters aren't at all as solid tory as once believed. It is politically relevant.
@@Bibky the pundits have been so wrong so many times the past 6-7 years that its not surprising in the slightest.
Besides, like I mentioned, this still follows the trend of Tories winning over red seats.
It WAS normal for the opposite to frequently steal a seat during a by-election. Whats been crazy recently is during a general election how many red seats went blue.
Labour barely holding on to a seat isn’t surprising. Its the trend, they are either losing or barely staying afloat.
If they won a landslide I’d agree it would be surprising.
Anyway, my point is more regarding the negative feedback TLDR claimed to take on regarding clickbait, and in my opinion, this is a clickbaity title.
@@jonsmith5058
But it’s a fact that polling and nation wide trends should’ve made this a easy victory for conservatives especially a brexit voting seat. It wasn’t normal for the opposite to happen tories been winning these by elections in brexit seats for a while now.
@@Bibky but like I said, it was 150 seats in it, it still follows the same trends as we keep seeing, just not as severe as we have since elsewhere.
So its more like the weather forcast said ‘Heavy Rain’ and then saying ‘Surprise weather change!!! Light showers!!!’.
I hope we can get rid of this awful Tory government
So many things could have tipped it, given the tight margin. The Tories having a local candidate, labour choosing a different candidate (especially a parachute), the greens standing (they withdrew), the English Democrat and UKIP voters deciding to tactically back the Tories...all sorts. Even the Lib Dem campaign seemed have their foot off the gas (thankfully for Labour).
The result is a relief for Labour rather than a triumph.
If you look at the Con vote it REDUCED from 36% in 2019 to 34.4% and that ignores the 3.2% that the Brexit party got in 2019 that you might expect the Cons to pick up. I think the “popularity” of Johnson etc. is slipping!
Looks like the Conservatives may be vulnerable in 2029.
Labour can't win in 24, gap is too big.
A win in 29 would need things to start going right quickly.
Such a drop is still an unprecedentedly good performance historically for a party that has been in government for 4 terms.
Considering the fact Galloway isn’t going to run in the next election, the Conservatives almost definitely win next time, because Galloway took a lot of the socially conservative votes.
He took the Muslim vote, a block that always voted Labour.
46% TURNOUT !
Higher than Hartlepool
Please for the love of God don't get violent towards your political opponents. Our politics are toxic enough without adding violence.
Pyrrhus of Epirus is generally not someone you want to emulate for long term success...
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I don't even know why Starmer is celebrating this. Literally Tories and Boris having the last laugh as Labour clings on to their seats.
Just to be clear TLDR, the Tory's didn't 'nick' the Hartlepool seat, Labour lost it because the white working class in Hartlepool were fed up with the Jeremy Corbyn, North London Wokism Politics that basically said you are racist if you voted Brexit. Once Labour return to the middle ground, they may get some more traction with the electorate, until then they are just going to continue serving this country on a plate to the Conservatives. Why don't you take a knee for that Kier?
what is it with people like you and mispelling it is because your afraid of seen as smart
@@mathieuleader8601 it's: you're* afraid 😂
@@kitperry777 oops
They didn’t win they simply held a seat with a greatly reduced majority
It's easy for Labour to win the boxing match when the Tories are punching themselves
The thing is we’re also punching ourselves
A Pyrrhic victory, at best.
Don't think it will make much difference. Labour would need a massive swing in the red wall seats it's already lost Scotland. So I think sir keir may be a Neil Kinnock like figure although more intelligent. He like Neil was doomed from the start.
At least Neil Kinnock made some progress, Starmer is likely going to do worse
Most of the stuff I read was predicting labour would squeak home. A loss would have been a shock. You shouldn't underestimate the value of troops on the ground when there is a high profile spoiler candidate with out a local organisation. Door knocking and getting your voters to the polls works.
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Starmer jumped on this outcome saying a 'fantastic result for Labour'. Of course, he had to milk it as much as possible knowing his head is still on chopping block.
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The State of our Main Political Parties.
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I get really pissed off at socially conservative lefties who don't realise why intersectionality is so important, in some cases it's better than the alternative though like with Pedro Castillo in Peru.
Intersectionality, where the struggle of being a Middle Class arrogant snob meets the challenges of having a niche political perspective.
@@Irishtradchannel Imagine not understanding that intersectionality mixes class struggle with the struggle against racism, sexism and many more and how you cannot solve one with fixing the other there will always be a snobbish middle-class so long white supremacist, patriarchal and capitalistic culture of domination exists. So all workers of the world unite and unionise.
@@danksheev66 Are you a parody account?
Hard to tell, if you are well done on authenticity.
If not, life is going to crush your little fantasy world.
That's funny you think I'm not real also wanting to crush me really exposes a superiority complex. Also I think you're living in a fantasy world if you expect the world around you is just fine, people aren't exploited on a regular basis and this planet isn't being ripped apart as capitalism demands infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.
This is barely a Labour hold, and definitely not a Labour win.
Astonishing result
Wait, Galloway went to a free speech event to argue against free speech? Did I hear that right?
I'm suprised fighting for the muslim vote worked so well, according to kirklees council, batley and spen is 76% white british, 10% pakistani and 10% indian
I would imagine most of the stances that where in the election leaflets might have pleased the Pakistanis, It would have displeased the Indians. I would also see this disproportionate attention would alienate a huge portion of the white British vote.
He just pronounced amersham armersham.
Kier Starmer celebrated like it's his dad's wedding
So disappointed to see you folks regurgitating the false belief that Muslim voters are more socially conservative, especially in the way Galloway is.
More than half think homosexuality should be illegal. Actually illegal.
Do you think Muslim voters are more pro abortion and pro premarital sex than random uk person?
3:05 is he from Rt and Rt U.K.?
Galloway seems to be what we call a Nazbol (national bolshevik) (other terms may refer to people of the same stripe.) A type of person who's political advocacy involves, at least aesthetically, a focus on workers rights and socialist policy while disregard or being outright adversarial towards social causes and diversity. Essentially it's Naziism before they killed all the socialist in the party. They can be characterized as fascists in red. Something to be careful of going forward is the argument that in order to achieve workers rights ect. you must abandon both multiculturalism and diversity. They might side with some groups that are less progressive for their support before also casting them aside. This type of advocacy also aims for more authoritarian government - which isn't socialist at all. Workers rights aren't even a given in the long run - look to fascist states as examples. It's a complex and seemingly contradictory position, but nothing new.
At last - Labour are resurgent!
In TLDR’s strange little world.
can you release the original video that was wrong
You didn't mention Galloway dressing up as a cat
People need to clamp down hard on people who threaten or accost politicians for policy positions like teaching kids about LGBT people. I'm gay. It would've made a world of difference to know I wasn't alone in the world.
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That would be seen as Islamophobic though.
@@Irishtradchannel It may be seen as Islamophobic. My response to that would be, many religions vie for influence, and they largely spew the same homophobic rhetoric. How could it be Islmlophobic if all religions are treated the same?
The teacher did not show a Charlie Hebdo cartoon, it was a Danish cartoon im pretty sure.
A victory against all the odds for a great candidate who is very active and respected in her community. If Labour can find candidates deeply rooted and genuinely respected in their communities and not just parachute people into constituencies this might help them in future, but let's face it, if Labour survive as a political party it will take at least a decade or two for them to recover as a political force capable of gaining power.
Deeply rooted and genuinely respected? How have you invented that narrative?
She was a first time candidate selected for nepotism not competence. Her campaign resorted to South Asian and Middle East sectarianism.
She represents the worst of politics.
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Don’t forget nearly double the amount of people didn’t vote Tory in this by-election as did.
Hardly a victory. More of a “survival”.
So I feel like Batley & Spen is historically a Tory-leaning area, but has been Labour recently as the Pakistani community has grown in size. Therefore, for Labour to win even when a spoiler candidate is taking most of the Pakistani votes away is fairly impressive, IMO.
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When Galloway's totals are added, it seems like there's a solid left-wing majority in this constituency.
Galloway is... complicated. He is still a left-winger, albeit a rather heretical one, but many of the people voting for him are not doing so because they themselves are left-wing.
Who funds Galloway, and convinces 8000 wackos to vote for him !!!
Something that wasn't mentioned in the video: In 2019, the right-wing vote was split by the Brexit party: so that makes this result for Labour even more impressive.
That's an optimistic take.
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You're free to mention facts like that without strong justification. And this is very strong justification.
There's quite a few issues with this video: you failed to mention the context of the Cox shooting that it was during the EU referendum. Leadbeater was not shouted at by local parents, in the clip you show a Birmingham activist.
The Tories put in almost zero campaigning / canvassing effort on the ground. Their strategy was basically to hide while Labour and Galloway battled each other, and slip through the middle. Many eligible voters in the constituency probably didn’t even know the name of the Tory candidate.
It’s scary to think that despite all of that they still very nearly won.
Lest we forget, the Tories were pretty disengaged in the 2019 election, too. Their manifesto was extremely thin, they answered every question with "get Brexit done", and they ran away from TV interviews and other forms of scrutiny.
It is bad for democracy when saying nothing is such a potent electoral strategy. How can you hold people accountable for their promises when they don't even promise anything to begin with?
@@alexpotts6520 I completely agree. To me that’s another reason why I think it’s utterly ridiculous for anyone that isn’t a diehard Tory supporter / member to support retaining FPTP at general elections, and oppose a proportional voting system.
There are many reasons why FPTP is a terrible system and is unfit for purpose in the 21st century. From Labour’s perspective under the current system they only get into power when sufficient people grow tired of the Tories and want a change. In the 90s the public were thoroughly fed up of the Tories who were basically finished after the March 1993 budget when they put VAT on fuel. So the Tories control the timetable. Plus PR would allow the different factions of the party to split without fear of electoral suicide and also end the daily and tiresome in-fighting: Rebecca Long-Bailey and Rachel Reeves for example being in the same party as each other is farcical.
I would have a question: what happened to Labor that everyone calls them weak? (PS. I am not from the United Kingdom and I would like to understand what was the root of the party's scandal)
They started insulting and ignoring their base.
@@Irishtradchannel insulting, how? calling them phobi like the Americans or something?