Thats exactly right as long as you come properly. Jesus says many will call to him and he will say he never knew them. He also says there are those that praise him with their lips but their hearts are far from him!!
@Over-for-now Quiet you! What did I just tell as you scripture from the Bible! The word of God! What of the wicked servant from the parable of talents out of Luke 19 of the three that recognized the lord but the one who served idly and the lord was wroth with and told him to be slain with the other seven who chose to not be ruled by him. I just told you what it was and now you've responded in an ignorant and rebellious tongue. You are one of these people and you are whats wrong with people. Correct yourself or your punishment will be worse than many others for using the lords name in complete hypocrisy, complete vanity!
Yes, predestination is what it is. God always knew before hand. We can only know by peoples fruits and the knowledge and wisdom of God given to us in scripture.
John, you're an awesome teacher , thanks for the insight !!! I rightly divide the Word of truth, and I take "Elect" , "Chosen" .as the Jewish Nation, and many Calvinist use Pedestination as interpreted as "They are the special ones !"
I totally agree. God have chosen and elected the Jewish nation in order to spread the gospel to the whole world. They failed temporarily(Romans 11). In the tribulation they will be utilised by God to bring billions who refuse the mark of the beast to repentence unto salvation. In John 1:10 the Word is clear that He came to His own, but they did not receive Him. BUT: all who received Him (Jews and gentiles) He gave the power to become the children of God - the rebirth by grace. That is why Christ said "salvation is of the Jews" as He was a pure Jew. We as gentiles owe the Jewish nation all for our salvation. That is why the Calvinistic doctrine of replacment theology is in fact demonic.
Are the Romans and the Ephesians only Jews? The word προορίζω (prooridzo) is used twice in Romans 8 and twice in Ephesians 1 with Christians as the subject of the verb. Seems like church truth to me.
Yes, this principle of God's eternal perspective and man's street perspective is an excellent tool for understanding Scripture. I've explained the atonement aspect in this way: Acts tells us that God winked at sin before but now calls all men to repentance (Acts 17:30). How does he call all men to this? By the death of Christ. That death is applied to all; therefore, it is the reason for salvation to those who receive by faith, and simultaneously the reason for condemnation for those who do not, but it is applied to all. Jesus himself states this relationship in his conversation with Nicodemus, Jn 3:18.
Hey John my spiritual father had a beautiful explanation of this, I will try to make it as brief as possible at the end of our days we are invited to a beautiful summer evening party. we are outside and enjoying everyone's company as it starts to get dark the large ballroom becomes evident it has a deck all around with bright lights live music inside. everyone is dancing and laughing. there are french doors all around and they are open for all to come in, It felt like I was late but I finally went in. When I did someone pointed out the sign above the door that said "you were predestined to be here"
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Which Wayne Grudem book are you referencing? I didn’t find one with “Elders and Deacons” as a title, but I am interested in getting it for my husband as a Christmas present. Thank you for the good teaching, as always.
“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.” -John 6:44 You come to Jesus by being born again. When you’re born again, you become one with Jesus. You become born again and baptized into the body of Christ by believing in Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit. The Father is who gives the Holy Spirit. “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” -Luke 11:13 Before being born again, one is separated from Christ and an enemy to God. The Father draws them to Jesus when He sends them the Holy Spirit. Therefore, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.
10:02... Seems the question is not about predestination, but about the meeting points of God doesn't want any to perish, but God hardens the hearts of those who don't believe and sends strong delusion so they believe in their own corrupted thinking. It's like, why would he do that if he wants them to get saved? That would make it more difficult, right? So how is He saying he wants all to make it, but then does that to them? I think the question is that, nothing about predestination. Did I miss something maybe cuz I don't recall it mentioned in the question? \O>
It could be God hardens them and sends "strong delusion" as judgment only after they first have continued to harden their hearts to his invitation. Pharaoh in Exodus hardened his heart first and then God made it permanent as a judgment. That is why "TODAY is the day of salvation" when one hears the message. They may not get another opportunity if they keep resisting.
@@beaulin5628 Yeah I dunno, I mean, I tend to agree, but it could be that was a special case with Pharoah, yet Romans chapter 1 proves the delusion is on any1 who denys or doesn't believe God so. God did know ahead of time what would happen with/to Pharoah and he explained that to Moses (Exodus 3:19-20). He also (why I said special case) explained to Moses he will harden Pharoah's heart so he wont let His people go (Exodus 4:21). he said , if I'm not mistaken, he did that so that God can stike Egyt and show Pharoa his power and might, thru Moses and his Rod and prove that he is the God of Israeal and he is God alone, there is non other but him.
@@beyondquestion It could be that God knew what Pharaoh would do by foreknowledge and the judgment was appropriate. And God had the additional purpose of demonstrating that he was the "true God" and the gods of the Egyptians were false. Foreknowledge could apply in Romans 1 also, in that the people mentioned "know God exists" yet refuse to honor him or glorify him and deliberately "suppress" the knowledge of God ( as in Evolution) to not believe. While God prefers that "all men be saved", and has made it possible for them to be saved, they have free will and he knows that many will refuse his offer. Adam and Eve had real choice in the garden. And even though God "walked" with them in the garden they were seduced into disobeying him by a lying spirit. In 2 Thes. Chapter 2 people are perishing because "they did not receive a love of the truth". They reject the truth about God because they are having "pleasure in unrighteousness". They could believe the truth but they don't want to. By foreknowledge of all history God knows the choices people will make but he does not make them do it.
Predestination? Well, God knew everything before He created the first molecule, so yes. Most are predestined to go to one or the other and there's not one thing to change it. No matter how much one wants to come to God but struggles. If God doesn't grant you the Holy Spirit, no amount of praying, fasting, reading the bible, begging etc will EVER bring one to God. Why? Because He already predestined one to go to hell so God won't even hear their prayer. After 58 years of "life" on this worthless chunk of rock, begging, praying, fasting, reading the bible, asking the hard questions that NOBODY has answers to, or even wants to have the hard conversations, and hearing NOTHING FROM GOD, I've come to the conclusion the He doesn't want me but won't even give me the option of oblivion.
Please please please please please please, don't say THAT. Just come to Jesus NOW and accept HIS gift of eternal LIFE. HE WANTS to save you--- it's our rebellion that keeps us AWAY
Jshound, l felt your pain. I know some of THAT pain. Please do not let satan lie to you. So much deception he pushes on us because he knows it works to keep us headed to his place
I don't know...I have found this question not only applies to this topic in the Bible but others too. I know pastors (& here) say it's a misreading of scripture that causes the confusion, but I remain unconvinced after many yrs of asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the interpretation to me. The Jewish perspective (those people who first received the scriptures) have a very different interpretation. They could be wrong too, tho. However, I'm older now, & have finally come to the conclusion that there may be some things I will never know for sure....but it's in the Bible, & therefore I believe it's true & it can be understood. For me, at this time, I admit I don't understand these things. Perhaps BOTH are true. Reconcile THAT.
No one is predestined to go to hell, we chose that (chose). He's God, so he KNOWS the future, he KNOWS what we're gonna choose b4 he made us. Had he made us, and lets say for intent and purposes, God didn't know the future. Ur still gonna go to Hell if u didn't choose him, God knowing that ahead of time doesn't predestine you, you would've done it anyway urself, and then he woulda seen it when it happens. \O>
Blasphemy against the Holy Sprit is rejecting the only way to eternal life which is the sacrifice of Jesus, logically it is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.
Both Calvinist and Armenians limit the atonement. The Calvinist limit atonement to those he God chose before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4 , Revelation 13:8. The Armenian limit the atonement to those who have the unique ability, intelligence, or heart to put their faith in Christ. So one says God has limited the atonement.The other says man limits the atonement.
Tooooo complicated for me. I believe Jesus is the son of God and he shed his blood on the cross to cover and take away my sin and I asked him to save me from my sins and he did.
11:01... Yeah see we under the new covenant now, and since he came down here and became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he gave us a nother way, a new way, he paid for all the old stuff, took it to the cross. But back then, u see what he did to the Israelites, when they shook they fist at him? God didn't play that back then, old covenant, and that was with HIS people! There was separation then, read Genisis thru Esther, God din't mess around. He slew like , 70,000 and stopped at Jerusalem, in one swoop! death angel, God didn't play around then. Now, he's patient, even more than b4. \O>
God's will to building the kingdom of heaven on earth WILL take place, that is predestined and absolute. Sin and hell is not eternal, that too is predestined and absolute. To make those come about is not only God's responsibility, but humankind as well. The reason the fulfillment of God's will has not yet been accomplished is due solely on the failure of human responsibility.
Sin is not eternal, but the lake of fire is forever and the Bible is clear on that. We do not have any say when the New Jerusalem arrives nor do we have any say when the first seal is broken.
As humans we think we can twist scriptures to fit our perceptions of " fairness". We want God to be like we want him to be
I always say, don't worry whether you are elect, just come to Jesus and HE will NOT cast you out ----- BUT if you do come ---- God CHOSE you
Thats exactly right as long as you come properly. Jesus says many will call to him and he will say he never knew them. He also says there are those that praise him with their lips but their hearts are far from him!!
@@steveklick come properly?? Jesus invites children to come, they come simply trusting .
@Over-for-now Quiet you! What did I just tell as you scripture from the Bible! The word of God! What of the wicked servant from the parable of talents out of Luke 19 of the three that recognized the lord but the one who served idly and the lord was wroth with and told him to be slain with the other seven who chose to not be ruled by him. I just told you what it was and now you've responded in an ignorant and rebellious tongue. You are one of these people and you are whats wrong with people. Correct yourself or your punishment will be worse than many others for using the lords name in complete hypocrisy, complete vanity!
Why will God choose you since you don't do what He asks in John 6 vrs 53-58.
@@steveklickHe is referring to those who refuse him, as you do. As Jesus says in John 6 vrs 53-58.
Thank you so much for a beautifull explenation on predestination.
Jesus prays for those the Father has given him. Not for the whole world
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that l will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." Zechariah 12:9 K.J.V. Bible
Thank God for you dr.John
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Yes, predestination is what it is. God always knew before hand. We can only know by peoples fruits and the knowledge and wisdom of God given to us in scripture.
Great presentation. AMEN!!
Freewill!
John, you're an awesome teacher , thanks for the insight !!!
I rightly divide the Word of truth, and I take "Elect" , "Chosen" .as the Jewish Nation, and many Calvinist use Pedestination as interpreted as "They are the special ones !"
I agree
I totally agree. God have chosen and elected the Jewish nation in order to spread the gospel to the whole world. They failed temporarily(Romans 11). In the tribulation they will be utilised by God to bring billions who refuse the mark of the beast to repentence unto salvation. In John 1:10 the Word is clear that He came to His own, but they did not receive Him. BUT: all who received Him (Jews and gentiles) He gave the power to become the children of God - the rebirth by grace. That is why Christ said "salvation is of the Jews" as He was a pure Jew. We as gentiles owe the Jewish nation all for our salvation.
That is why the Calvinistic doctrine of replacment theology is in fact demonic.
Are the Romans and the Ephesians only Jews? The word προορίζω (prooridzo) is used twice in Romans 8 and twice in Ephesians 1 with Christians as the subject of the verb. Seems like church truth to me.
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Great man of God but struggling with this one. IMHO
Yes, this principle of God's eternal perspective and man's street perspective is an excellent tool for understanding Scripture. I've explained the atonement aspect in this way: Acts tells us that God winked at sin before but now calls all men to repentance (Acts 17:30). How does he call all men to this? By the death of Christ. That death is applied to all; therefore, it is the reason for salvation to those who receive by faith, and simultaneously the reason for condemnation for those who do not, but it is applied to all. Jesus himself states this relationship in his conversation with Nicodemus, Jn 3:18.
Hey John my spiritual father had a beautiful explanation of this, I will try to make it as brief as possible at the end of our days we are invited to a beautiful summer evening party. we are outside and enjoying everyone's company as it starts to get dark the large ballroom becomes evident it has a deck all around with bright lights live music inside. everyone is dancing and laughing. there are french doors all around and they are open for all to come in, It felt like I was late but I finally went in. When I did someone pointed out the sign above the door that said "you were predestined to be here"
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God had foreknowledge before predestination was ever printed in the Bible. I do not believe in Calvinism.
Who’s will is greater?
A. God’s
B. Man’s
You’ve answered the question.
End of story
In John 12:32 the Lord Jesus Christ stated:"But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to me" to qualify John 6:44.
I guess RC Sproul got limited atonement wrong, is that the loose thread on the sweater?
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This is a good message
To answer the title on yiur thumbail, yes
I don't understand why preachers bring up augustine and calvin. Only God knows them that are HIS. Who cares what man says?
Calm down. He was literally a history major. I trust his historical anecdotes. You should study more
Which Wayne Grudem book are you referencing? I didn’t find one with “Elders and Deacons” as a title, but I am interested in getting it for my husband as a Christmas present. Thank you for the good teaching, as always.
Possibly the Systematic Theology book.
God knows the beginning to the end. So ya, He knows, why is it controversial? Case closed.
To jshound, please please please please please please don't say THAT. Just come NOW and accept HIS gift of eternal LIFE. It's rebellion to reject it.
“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
-John 6:44
You come to Jesus by being born again. When you’re born again, you become one with Jesus.
You become born again and baptized into the body of Christ by believing in Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit.
The Father is who gives the Holy Spirit.
“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
-Luke 11:13
Before being born again, one is separated from Christ and an enemy to God. The Father draws them to Jesus when He sends them the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.
10:02... Seems the question is not about predestination, but about the meeting points of God doesn't want any to perish, but God hardens the hearts of those who don't believe and sends strong delusion so they believe in their own corrupted thinking. It's like, why would he do that if he wants them to get saved? That would make it more difficult, right? So how is He saying he wants all to make it, but then does that to them? I think the question is that, nothing about predestination. Did I miss something maybe cuz I don't recall it mentioned in the question?
\O>
It could be God hardens them and sends "strong delusion" as judgment only after they first have continued to harden their hearts to his invitation. Pharaoh in Exodus hardened his heart first and then God made it permanent as a judgment. That is why "TODAY is the day of salvation" when one hears the message. They may not get another opportunity if they keep resisting.
@@beaulin5628 Yeah I dunno, I mean, I tend to agree, but it could be that was a special case with Pharoah, yet Romans chapter 1 proves the delusion is on any1 who denys or doesn't believe God so. God did know ahead of time what would happen with/to Pharoah and he explained that to Moses (Exodus 3:19-20). He also (why I said special case) explained to Moses he will harden Pharoah's heart so he wont let His people go (Exodus 4:21). he said , if I'm not mistaken, he did that so that God can stike Egyt and show Pharoa his power and might, thru Moses and his Rod and prove that he is the God of Israeal and he is God alone, there is non other but him.
@@beyondquestion It could be that God knew what Pharaoh would do by foreknowledge and the judgment was appropriate. And God had the additional purpose of demonstrating that he was the "true God" and the gods of the Egyptians were false. Foreknowledge could apply in Romans 1 also, in that the people mentioned "know God exists" yet refuse to honor him or glorify him and deliberately "suppress" the knowledge of God
( as in Evolution) to not believe.
While God prefers that "all men be saved", and has made it possible for them to be saved, they have free will and he knows that many will refuse his offer. Adam and Eve had real choice in the garden. And even though God "walked" with them in the garden they were seduced into disobeying him by a lying spirit.
In 2 Thes. Chapter 2 people are perishing because "they did not receive a love of the truth". They reject the truth about God because they are having "pleasure in unrighteousness". They could believe the truth but they don't want to. By foreknowledge of all history God knows the choices people will make but he does not make them do it.
Choice is everything ,choose God, life. Do not choose God, damnation. Predestined outcome of choice. What do You think?
Predestination?
Well, God knew everything before He created the first molecule, so yes. Most are predestined to go to one or the other and there's not one thing to change it. No matter how much one wants to come to God but struggles. If God doesn't grant you the Holy Spirit, no amount of praying, fasting, reading the bible, begging etc will EVER bring one to God. Why? Because He already predestined one to go to hell so God won't even hear their prayer.
After 58 years of "life" on this worthless chunk of rock, begging, praying, fasting, reading the bible, asking the hard questions that NOBODY has answers to, or even wants to have the hard conversations, and hearing NOTHING FROM GOD, I've come to the conclusion the He doesn't want me but won't even give me the option of oblivion.
Please please please please please please, don't say THAT.
Just come to Jesus NOW and accept HIS gift of eternal LIFE.
HE WANTS to save you--- it's our rebellion that keeps us AWAY
Jshound, l felt your pain. I know some of THAT pain. Please do not let satan lie to you. So much deception he pushes on us because he knows it works to keep us headed to his place
I don't know...I have found this question not only applies to this topic in the Bible but others too.
I know pastors (& here) say it's a misreading of scripture that causes the confusion, but I remain unconvinced after many yrs of asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the interpretation to me.
The Jewish perspective (those people who first received the scriptures) have a very different interpretation. They could be wrong too, tho.
However, I'm older now, & have finally come to the conclusion that there may be some things I will never know for sure....but it's in the Bible, & therefore I believe it's true & it can be understood.
For me, at this time, I admit I don't understand these things. Perhaps BOTH are true. Reconcile THAT.
@@NaomiSims-w5g Have you been saved by the FINISHED work Jesus accomplished for salvation?
No one is predestined to go to hell, we chose that (chose). He's God, so he KNOWS the future, he KNOWS what we're gonna choose b4 he made us. Had he made us, and lets say for intent and purposes, God didn't know the future. Ur still gonna go to Hell if u didn't choose him, God knowing that ahead of time doesn't predestine you, you would've done it anyway urself, and then he woulda seen it when it happens.
\O>
so scripture says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable sin Matthew 12:31-32 In red letters @57:50
Blasphemy against the Holy Sprit is rejecting the only way to eternal life which is the sacrifice of Jesus, logically it is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.
Both Calvinist and Armenians limit the atonement.
The Calvinist limit atonement to those he God chose before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4 , Revelation 13:8.
The Armenian limit the atonement to those who have the unique ability, intelligence, or heart to put their faith in Christ.
So one says God has limited the atonement.The other says man limits the atonement.
Tooooo complicated for me. I believe Jesus is the son of God and he shed his blood on the cross to cover and take away my sin and I asked him to save me from my sins and he did.
MacArthur gets everything right except the elect . Predestination
My brain hurts.
11:01... Yeah see we under the new covenant now, and since he came down here and became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he gave us a nother way, a new way, he paid for all the old stuff, took it to the cross. But back then, u see what he did to the Israelites, when they shook they fist at him? God didn't play that back then, old covenant, and that was with HIS people! There was separation then, read Genisis thru Esther, God din't mess around. He slew like , 70,000 and stopped at Jerusalem, in one swoop! death angel, God didn't play around then. Now, he's patient, even more than b4.
\O>
If atonement wasn't limited then they'll be double payment for sin
Calvinism is wrong theology. So is mormonism.
God's will to building the kingdom of heaven on earth WILL take place, that is predestined and absolute. Sin and hell is not eternal, that too is predestined and absolute. To make those come about is not only God's responsibility, but humankind as well. The reason the fulfillment of God's will has not yet been accomplished is due solely on the failure of human responsibility.
Sin is not eternal, but the lake of fire is forever and the Bible is clear on that. We do not have any say when the New Jerusalem arrives nor do we have any say when the first seal is broken.