This Bikepacking Trend is a Gamechanger!
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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Overview of awesome alt front rack options.
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This post is incredible! For anyone who has gone thru the research of trying to find out “options” for handlebar carrying of gear and bags, OMG, there are hardly any good viable offerings from the “big” manufacturers. Thank God, there are these small corky offerings, that actually are game changers, as you state in your video. I have already purchased one of them thru your channel. Please don’t stop your style! Literally ❤
I have used 7r bags for a number of years now. All there gear is hand made to order, and you just cant beat the quality and craftmanship, and there prices are very reasonable.
Dear, Brett, thank you for sharing this! It’s a big pleasure to know that you use and enjoy your 7R bags set up!
Brompton really got this right the first time around. Would love to see steering independent options for normal bikes.
Truly informative. Thanks Russ. One of your BEST videos. I liked the pace. There were some cool ideas there.
It is pretty interesting to see the evolution of handlebar/stem mounted racks. The newest batch seems quite a lot more stable/solid than the quill stem mounted ones we had in the 70s and early 80s. The (Eclipse) one I had back in the 80s would get pretty bouncy on rough roads and trails.
It seemed really weird to me 20 years ago when I bought a hbar bag that didn't need bungee cords the hooked into the eyelets or a lowrider rack. And those cords laid really weird over front panniers.
This is useful, thanks Russ! I’ve experimented with trad front racks for mounting a carradice, but eventually found 2x voile straps plus an old Raleigh light mount on the stem (much like the restrap bumper bar) works really well. Bonus tip - the light mount is a handy place to zip tie an AirTag wrapped in a bit of old inner tube.
Thanks. I think I need something like this to keep the bag I’ve got in my Jones bar gap off the frame. I had a handler bar rack and bag system on my touring bike in the 80s - worked great.
I love my Tim Tas & Rek rack. Truly functional and light weight, yet sturdy. I also have their modified 'race bag' which has a velcro sleeve that slides over the rack, so no movement, rattling etc. It's a great setup, cavernous interior with internal pockets, fidlock closure for convenience & access from the saddle. They were delightful to work with.
Over the winter I was using a caradice style bag in the front with a super cheap cantilever mounted front mini rack and a handlebar extender to get the weight a bit lower. For front lighting I bolted a gopro style mount to the front of the rack (came with a garmin style outfront mount to run a gopro under your bike computer) and used a headlight with a gopro style adapter attached to it.
I ziptie a garage hanging rack and pad with leather on headtube. I use beater frames anyways
I have the Restrap bumper bar. It works excellently and the design means you can attach other stuff to like lights etc if not using a bag. My only issue is that if you aren’t using a bag then the bumper bar is not the prettiest of additions.
I have multiple products from TimTas. 3 handlebar bags, 2 stracks, 2 fork bags. All well made. He made me a custom handlebar bag that fits in between my bars perfectly, and included tabs to work with the swood T-bar. Plus, I got to customize everything on the bag: pocket style, buckle type, stitching, and of course color scheme. He will make you what you want.
I bought two of the Swood light mounts and use those as a support for my bag. Added bonus of being highly adjustable and could, if needed, put TWO lights on the bike at the perfect height.
I love my twisted T, but sometimes get a bit of a buzz if its bumpy. Does this help lift it up off the tire a bit?
This came out literally the day I needed it! Thank you!!
For a budget friendly option I just got the Topeak BarXtender. Mounted it to my stem and it holds my handlebar bag (Restrap Bar Pack), away from my head tube AND stops the bag bouncing on my cables. Plenty of adjustment on it too, to tweak your preferred angle of dangle. It's been a great solution and it's always there to mount other stuff on when I'm not using the bag.
This. Something similar popped up in my amazon search for £6.99
The Jack Bike Rack is awesome! Highly recommended. Works well with a huge Inside Line bag. I wouldn’t consider it alternative, it’s a main thaing!
You do an outstanding job, Russ….always! Just when I think I’ve got my kit “dialed in”, you have me rethinking “less is more”! I’ve had my custom Chumba Stella ti now for 4 years…I ordered her with the Wanderlust bags fitted for my frame. BUT (anyone except me hate the inevitable “buts”?) for some of my riding trips, I’m always having to leave something behind that I find myself days later wishing that I had brought along! Again, Great job, Russ. Now, back to “redialing” my kit!
I think it's notable that Bags by Bird recommends a traditional rack for their bag if it's being run from the handlebars. Because of triangulation a rack will be stronger than these alt options, and so usually lighter as well. They allow you to run either a saddle bag, or a rando bag, or a basket, so there's more flexibility than these, which are designed with a particular style of bags in mind. A traditional rack will have better options for running lights, or mounting fenders as well. Of course there's nothing wrong with liking what one likes! But it seems to me traditional racks are simply better suited to the job
I find that a triangulated rack by its nature stiffens up the fork noticeably. I've used the BxB for years with some sort of altrack or standoff with no ill effects. You just have to load it reasonably.
I bought a Topeak bar bag and just went to the local B&Q (Home Depot in the states?) and bought a 1m length of 8mm mild steel rod, and some soft silicone tubing to match then made a stand off starting with bending it in the middle so it has it's support on the underside of the stem and up and over the tops of the bars then down the front of the bars... just cut it to equal length from there...really simple just needs some straps/bungees to the forks/frame if going off road, and easy to remove when not in use. I could see from the off that without it the frame would be in contact with the bag (paint ruined etc) and it was fouling the cables/hoses. Now it doesn't and has been thoroughly tested... (I tried another in 6mm rod but it's not really strong enough if you put a tent in the bag etc)
Interesting, I've been using an aerobar mounted underneath my handlebar to support my roll bag for quite a few years! 😂
Did you just put 2 stems on the bike for that?
Got myself a Salsa anything cradle, never looked back. It’s a bit heavy but well worth it. When I don’t need to carry lots of weight, I simply use a cheap Amazon accessories mounting extender. Works fine for light loads. Got the tip from the DirtyTeethMtb channel.
Thanks for mentioning Velo Garage! Love the channel
Great amount of research you do which i applaud. I'll probably never need an off these products die to the riding i do but you really get into whatvothers are looking for. Always interesting.
You should have a look at the Specialized/Fjäll Räven Handle Bar Rack.
I guess I'll just keep my 30 year old Nashbar bag. It fits the handlebar with simple velcro straps.
Jack the Bike Rack is brilliant. planned to get one to replace the love i had for running a rack on my Cinelli Dell Strada flat bar gravel bike. until i saw the Velo Orange bar/rack combo. LOL. love that. In any case, thx for reviewing and sharing your favs.
Brilliant review, thank you! Honestly, I think that "stracks" topic is heavily underestimated.
I love my Jack. These other options are also interesting. Thanks 😊
All fantastic ideas.
Great information. I have a Strack for my gravel bike. However, many bikepackers use mtn bikes and a handlebar bag presses against the brake and shift cables. I am still looking for an alternative. Since the Stracks mount to the stem they do not hold the handlebar bag away from the brake and shift cables. Great video.
klick fix also makes a pretty sick rack .. vario rack sport
if you use aerobars on your bikepacking rig I just added a velcro strap around those and it lifts my handle bar bag up buy at least 3cm wich is a lot for me as I am a really small rider. I also did that with my saddle bag it only helps a little bit but it does something also it very light weight and cheap.
Thanks for mentioning 7R! ^_^
TimTas + Rek is indeed located in the Netherlands. In the city of 's-Hertogenbosch in believe. Makes really nice stuff.
I have a second stem/handlebar. perfect for lashing stuff to it, great for mounting lights, rearview mirrors, holds my handlebar cradle out of the way and there's space up there to stash my tent (poles and all) not a weight weenie solution at all.
@PRH123 Instead of using spacers, I have a second stem, the lower bar is there to lash things to. Its pretty simple and effective
@PRH123 Yes, narrow straight bars below Surly Moloko bars. And you are about length. I have it installed upside down to create some space
Love it that you featured 7R products!
We also love it ;)
Always informative keep up the great videos 😁
Another great review!
* Thanks!
Love this post. Enjoying your YT.
Would love that last rack on some drop bars!
All look great but a little bit to expensive. As a stop-gap measure I have use aero bars and I think I will use that setup next time - I can strap my luggage under and top of those bars :)
sort if in a similar vein, dont forget the Routeworks handlebar bag!
I'm waiting for a frame mount carry rack system with a low mount platform out front just above the wheel. This would remain stationary as the steering is deployed, with less affect on steering/handling than a bar, stem, or fork mount. Think of a frame mounted fairing on a motorcycle. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting stuff. My classic ortlieb lowrider panniers are way too excessive for my modern gear, but I also don't like the flimsyness of modern bikepacking bags and how they're mounted. This might work though!
This 7R bag/rack combo seems to be the one!
We did our best designing and manufacturing it ;)
@@7Rbags you nail it! Did you send it to Brazil?
@@hugobci Thank you) Yes, we deliver parcels to Brazil without any problems. Last year, the delivery took about 30 days.
Informative video. What is the lilac cylcle with creamish-white headtube decal?
Hey Russ, any chance you'll make it to the start of Ochoco Overlander this year? Love the previous coverage of the various bikes and setups that folks bring there.
Something I don't get -- if you have a flatbar, why not have a front rack mounted on the frame so it doesn't affect steering? You might need some crazy cable routing, but maybe not.
This was all very interesting. Thanks. You tracked a stack of stracks. 😁 Say it five times fast.😂
Kind of surprised no company has tried a special stem and mount setup. I can imagine a stem with threaded holes to accept a rack or a special stem
Bobike childseat adapter....that's what i use in the front topeak unitourist fatdisk in the rear and belive me it does the job efective never failed me i carried water long years offroad whit this setup and never had any issues the bike setup was almost 200kg moost of the time (haibike fatsix25kg me 80kg and the rest bagages or water carried like this load for more than 7years until i found a spring in my basement when i dig my Earthship)
£6.99 on amazon. A handlebar extender. Going to try it upside down as a support to stop bag putting pressure on my cables
I've tried them. Was even going to make a video about it but could never find one that could actually hold the weight. You get what you pay for.
where do I find the velo orange bar? I don't see it listed on their web site
I'm thinking if using coat hangers 😊
Thank you for pulling all these somewhat obscure and boutique options into one video!!
Hi Russ! I’m using a Redshift kitchen sink drop bar on my other bike- not sure what front stem rack should I get that is compatible. Thanks
Best stracking channel on yt
When are Jack racks going to be available? I want something easily attached and detached without to many modifications to my bike.
Cool vid! I need that shirt
7R ❤
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Very good video, i did research several month ago, a have jean michel rack . You forgot to mention that soecialized sell a rack (fjalraven collab)
Swood Tbar 2.0 paired with a Bags by Bird Piccolo L seems to be a winner for me so far. It’s only been used for bike commuting but I purchased for a bikepacking trip later this summer.
It’s my fave “minimalist” alt rack.
@@PathLessPedaledTV , I purchased based on your previous recommendation(I appreciate your insight!) I had no idea there was a 2.0 and just happened to order at the right time.
Would any of these work with a Jones H bar?
I loved my Jack Supply Co saddle bag on my handlebars until I got a bike with a Shimano Alfine IGH and drop bar shifter with a cable that sticks out the side - think older Shimano road shifters. That dang cable just won't play nice with a large handlbar bag. So I switched it up to a Wald basket. There's pluses and minuses to both routes, but would absolutely use one of these bag supports with my Jack bag if the shifter cable didn't cause issues. Maybe someday a company will come out with a Shimano Alfine IGH drop bar shifter with internal routing. I would be so happy.
What option for a Dahon or Trinx folding bicycle?
Good work
I’ve seen some folks in the folding bike community modify their head tube to put a Brompton luggage block on there. If you’re using the right kind of bars that won’t fowl it I don’t see why that won’t work here too, just needs a bit of welding and some holes drilled and tapped
It's insane to me that manufacturers offer 4+ k travel bikes with lots of tricks and then think mounting stuff on your fork, where it can affect your steering, is a good idea. I mean. It's ok I guess but it just makes sense to mount things to the frame instead
How does a dry bag strapped to handlebars or a cordura harness roll really eat away at the top tube? Maybe carbon fiber frame but not steel. These hard racks probably do more frame damage.
It pushes the cable housing into the headtube and wears away the paint. It’s not rocket science.
Does anyone have experience with / comments about the PDW Bodega basket?
If using a Paul center pull brake, can you use any of these front racks?
You can put a cable through the Nest rack, but it would not be easy to disconnect a rack from the steerer ring after that)
I have a beach cruiser with drop bars kind of like kulker build but do you have any recommendations for drop bars that are not so much of a drop because I'm just looking for something with more hand positions but I've tried alt bars and they do not do the do the trick to drop bars that I have are comfortable in the hood position and only flats but to me they just seemed really narrow so most of the time I'm on my hood position unless I'm in the drops descending
I just tried out the Soma Condor 2 bars, they have 50mm of rise and 100mm of drop so there isn't a whole lot of difference between the hoods and the drops position. They look weird but hey if you're putting them on a klunker they'll be right at home!
Hey Russ,
What is the name of that silver bag support that you have on the quill stem?… That’s perfect for my Atlantis!
Its by a company called Hitch Cycles.
Next up: pracks (seat Post RACKS)
Already existing))
The Velo orange link is not included and the rack is nor show on the Velo orange. Sweet rack, would like to know more.
Its brand spanking new and isn't listed yet.
Why not is there a crown support, they turn the same. Head set spacermount /crown mount wouldn't move
The crown seems like a bad place to mount a bag. Atleast with these they are supported by the handlebar.
There should be a 'rack' that goes upward and offers a hook for hanging fountain drinks.
This maybe could solve the bike delivery (food delivery) issue
Or a rack of optics so you can have easily pour measures of vodka and fortified wine to your group ride
@@bytesabre ah man that's a great idea.
I really admire all the stem mounts but it looks as if you are limited to a 1 1/8" steerer. I guess you could cobble some type of spacer adapter if you had to use one of them on a 1" steering tube (like on a Riv.) But otherwise, only the Jac Rack would work.
TimTasRek does custom models so I'm sure he can make you a 1" version. I have a rando bag and a frame bag by him myself.
JACK FTW!❤❤
I had the bumper bar because I couldn't get my hands on a t-rack- I don't recommend. Not only does it not really accomplish the goal (I think the design of the t rack does better with bags that have a hard plastic liner, and since it can thread through the daisy chain bit, it holds it better) it absolutely eviscerated some cable housing. + it's ugly.
STRACKS. ❤❤
Why don't handlebar racks triangulate with struts to the forks?
Like I said in the beginning this is for forks without mounting points or if you want to go as light as you can with a rack. If you’re going to triangulate it just get a regular front rack.
5:55 What type of bag? I can't understand the word and it begins with an R. The transcript says "rain manure" but I don't think it's correct 😝
Randonneur
Great vid but most importantly - what’s on your wrist??
Front racks should be frame mounted for performance and safety
I'm trying to find the seller of that last handlebar/rack combo setup. Who is it? Thanks for the awesome video!
Velo Orange
@@PathLessPedaledTV thank you
I'd like to see a way of using jb weld or some other cheap way of upcycling junk metal into something like this. Tried a couple of diy myog things that are out there but they were not quite right. I just live with beating up my frame and bag just that little bit for now because I know why they would cost ≈$80 but I have a kid and I'd rather buy her a pair of shoes and etc
Brazing is incredibly easy and quite cheap especially on a little scale like a rack. A rod of silversolder (covered in a flowingagent allready) plus a cheap solderinglamp is only twice the price of a small pack of jbweld.
I don't run a seat bag on my gravel bike anymore as I hate the way it moves around on the bike.
I like the look of these from racks to stop the movement on the handlebars.
What’s up with all the ugly unfinished welds that will cut you, your bags, and cable-outers (housings if you’re young and American - I’m old and British)? I had a Karrimor bar-bag carrier back in the early 80s, made of spring-steel, no tools needed to hang on the stem. Worked well enough, gave it to a friend as now I mostly ride recumbents or my old 60s Moulton with frame-mounted racks and a saddlebag.
Surely this has been answered already in the discord(been busy, havnt kept up), but anyone have an ETA on the UNO shifter? Wife and I will be touring, traveling after OCT. for 6 months or so and I keep thinking about going back to friction. The bikes we’ve had the last couple years are sram 1x road (apex for the shifter). As much as I Love the lack of exposed cable/housing and the easy shifting from the drops n hoods, I’ve never gotten used to the plastic click feel. And for a long tour… friction is so solid. Also thinking about those diacomp thumbies for a cleaner n simpler set up.
Arriving by the end of the month.
Dude! Thanks! Both for the update and just the work and love for functional elegance.
+1 for the Jack Rack…very happy with its pretty speedy put ‘on/take off’ nature across my bikes. Annnnd Russ…that T-shirt…yes! Easy shipping option to the UK???
29 inch (or lower) wheel with suspension fork not strong max 15 kg but cheap 40 euro lecyclo Marseille
For those of us with carbon forks (don’t hate me) that have little more than a fork crown hole for mounts, I’ve struggled to find anything that doesn’t put too much strain on the bars or stem. Always surprised none of these supports or stracks utilise the fork crown hole to support or even just stabilise the cargo.
Tim Tas Rek offers a strack with crown hole strut.....BUT most carbon forks don't have reinforced crown holes to do any load bearing. Whenever I get a bike with a carbon fork I ask if it will support a rack and 99% of the time the answer is NO.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks yes I’d seen that. Thankfully I don’t think that design of rack take any vertical load at the crown hole. It’s just pushing the rack away horizontally. So less load than a bolt puts on the carbon at that point. As you say though got to be careful with mis-loading on carbon.
@@richardelsdon2027 I assumed that as well, but the engineers from the bikes I've reviewed with carbon forks don't recommend anything but fenders at the crown hole even if it doesn't appear to be load bearing. YMMV. I err on the side of caution and don't mount anything to most carbon forks.
Racks are a must, it aint 88 no more, frame dezine is.....
No. Your frame should take it. It's decoupled from your steering. It's the single best way. I guess for bikepacking it's whatever, but travel bikes should all offer this. They should have a solid mount there rather than the pretty afterthought solution thats usually used. It just makes the absolute most sense. You can still have the forkrack, but you'd put the heavy stuff there and in the back.
If it makes so much sense why don’t any bikes have it other than a Brompton?
Is the last trail in this video the Rattlesnake?
What’s your favorite?
ref of the rack at 0.39 ? (on the pink bike) plzzzzz
If you literally just watch the video I talk about it at length 🤦🏽♂️
@@PathLessPedaledTV yes I saw it right after 😂 commented a bit too early sorry !
Trend is get rid of packing gear on low riders and find a bag to get weight up and high.
Good for the economy to follow trends and get with the need to purchase the ultra light weight camping gear to put into the Bike Packing trend.
Computerized numbers showing the science that areo dynamic bike packing set up is more efficient.
Bike pack on Party Pace
Have you seen ILCOSO by Miss Grape? That one is a real game changer. Take a look and then you’ll tell me
We used to use traditional racks for front and rear as I was young and we even had people sitting on them half the time and they never broke or got damaged. I use a rear rack for last 7 years with panniers and haul around 20kg in the back every day for 32km and it is still working and nothing is bent. All this new "engineered" stuff is cheap and poorly made, it won't last as what they used to build back in the days!
Not really true. I use a tortec velocity or something. A very slim rear rack. Many paint chips later , on it and the frame,I'm not sure the aesthetics matter. Gets a bit fiddly with 2 bags. But I often load it up all the way 2 full bags and backpack on top. It's still perfectly solid. There's oooold bikes without owners In the house. Those racks ain't Always solid at all.