What I love about Phoebe is that she never blocks hostile comments. I admire this. She clearly has faith in the evidence she presents, and is able to handle criticism with perfect equanimity. Excellent presentation Phoebe. You keep on with you courageous determination never to block people presenting alternative evidence. You are one of the few Oxfordian commentators who don't censor everyone they disagree with.
Yet another excellent presentation by Phoebe. You can't get all the jokes if you don't realize who Shakespeare really was. For instance; when Hamlet calls Polonius a 'fishmonger'. Unless one knows what 'Cecil's Fast' was that will go over one's head. Or, in Henry V, when the Dauphin admits he's written a sonnet to his horse (Sidney, who died in 1586, is clearly being mocked).
Hey WELL DONE 👏 You captured me. After the behavior of her father no wonder she feared marriage and the level of trust it would have taken considering how much more power men had.
"Well researched" except that she doesn't understand even something so basic as the definition of a "problem play" nor how many plays that category encompasses. Either that or she has vastly undercounted the number of plays in the Shakespeare canon. Either way she is exhibiting some very fundamental ignorance.
John Heminges, Henry Condell, and Richard Burbage, three actors of The Lord Chamberlain's Men, a famous acting company that included William Shakespeare, were given money by William Shakespeare of Stratford in his Last Will and Testament in 1616. Two of these actors, John Heminges and Henry Condell, were responsible for having 36 of Shakespeare's plays published in the First Folio in 1623.
Love it, Phoebe! So glad to have you onboard the Oxfordian train! We need millennials like you in our train! (I'm assuming that you're millennial, hope it's okay!)
This was so enlightening! Re-reading Shakespeare’s plays with Edward de Vere as the author in light of his biography makes much more sense & explains many of the convoluted conundrums & enigmas. Thank you for these excellent videos! How long can the Stratfordians hang on to their money making delusions? 🙏
EXACTLY like a climate change denier, or a flat earther, or a Q Anon devotee. Of COURSE if you LOOK for codes and anagrams and references to secret societies, you'll find them. But then ... the mystery you find so hard to get to grips with is that a kid from a small town turned out to be talented. To be honest, mate, I've heard that story a million times. So many writers, actors, artists from Nowheresville. I have no idea why you think plays then were autobiographical. You think Edward de Vere lived in Ancient Rome? Was Marlow a Scythian shepherd? And if you insist on believing that something in Hamlet MUST be based on stuff that happened to de Vere, just think about it for a minute. Edward de Vere, VERY senior aristocrat is captured by pirates, and is ransomed. Do you think this exciting story would be ignored by the rumour-mill? Of course not. It would be the talk of the Mermaid. Anyone looking for a sub-plot to get Hamlet back to Denmark where he was needed for the next bit of the story need look no further. There's no copyright on real life. As it happens though, Tolkien didn't live in the shire. JK Rowling didn't go to wizard schools, and George Lucas didn't battle a galactic empire. See? There is such a thing as human imagination.
@@bootube9972 The Shakespeare Oxford Society is publishing new editions of Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear and others. But the best way is reading secondary literature and watching their UA-cam videos. The Oxfordian essay series of books is great and inexpensive on Amazon. Watching the movie “Anonymous” is the easiest & very enlightening from the perspective of Edward de Vere as the real author. Great biography books by Paul Altrocchi “Most Greatly Lived” and “Malice Afterthought” and Percy Allen Vol 4 “The Life Story of Edward de Vere” all explain the plays from de Vere’s life. The initial breakthrough by Looney “Shakespeare Identified” is an eye opener! Happy reading!
@@johnwarner3968 No, John. You misunderstand. You said you were re-reading Shakespeare's work. And it was all clarified for you. Which plays have you been reading, and how have they been clarified in the light of her videos? I've SEEN 'Anonymous'. It adopts the unevidenced and frankly outrageous Prince Tudor theory that Elizabeth I not only had a secret son, but then had sex with him. It also depicts the pro-Tudor play Richard III being played as a precursor to the Essex rebellion, which is beyond dumb. We KNOW that it was Richard II on unimpeachable documentary evidence, but Emmerich clearly didn't give a flying fibble about actual history. A director who makes such a whacko decision is NOT deserving of any serious consideration. And if you get your facts from movies, then, I'm sad to tell you, you can't time-travel in a Delorian, there's no evil galactic empire, and there ain't no school called Hogwarts where you can learn magic.
Phoebe have you seen over at the Shakespeare Authorship Roundtable channel Bob Prechter's talk? Apparently de Vere was going around not just being Shakespeare but other writers too. Apparently Elizabeth kind of gave de Vere permission to go around the country and write and perform using other people's names as pen names. I am just now getting interested in this Elizabethan history. For sure Edward de Vere was Shakespeare but also apparently some other writers too.
All this is true. But he also sometimes put on a frock to become a lady in waiting. He was also the Spanish ambassador, and wrote several notable recipe books, as well as a poem about the design of artillery pieces on Portuguese warships. He is of course the true author of 'Don Quixote', and wrote treatises on navigation, horsemanship, and created an attractive and comfortable codpiece which concealed match-lock pistol. True genius.
Busy chap wasn't he? 😂😂 I hope one day some at least of the anti stratfordians, and particularly those who worship at this bizarre shrine of De Vere, look back on some of these theories and wonder how they ever believed them.
Shakespeare refers to the Gunpowder Plot in Macbeth. He mentions "equivocation" and "equivocator" and this refers to the Catholic Priest Henry Garnet who was associated with the plot. There are also other allusions to the plot in the play. The date of the Gunpowder Plot was November 5, 1605. Therefore, the play Macbeth must have been completed after this date and most likely finished in mid to late 1606. Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, died on June 24, 1604, which obviously makes it impossible for him to have written the play Macbeth which has been attributed to Shakespeare and later published in the 1623 First Folio. It is difficult to write a play after you have died and there is obviously no way for Edward to have known of the Gunpowder Plot and the trial of Henry Garnet before his death.
@@EndoftheTownProductions oh don't worry, they have an explanation for that. They will tell you Oxford left a load of unpublished and unperformed plays when he died that were then presented later- not sure by whom, whoever was part of the conspiracy I guess, and that any topical post 1604 allusions were added by another writer. You honestly can't win with them 🙂
Unless you're a scholar, I'd suggest watching a production rather than reading. In PERFORMANCE even a play like Hamlet is entertaining and sometimes funny. On the page, it's just difficult. Plays aren't written to be read.
@@francisjudge Weird. Frankly, given the choice between reading a screenplay and seeing a film, I'd obviously opt for the film. But then, I suppose I'm not grubbing around for 'clues' about whether 'Star Wars' was actually written by Lord Snot of Snottington because how could the son of a shop-keeper possibly get clever enough to write films. I'm happy for the actor and director and special effects to add their share to the magic.
"Consider that nearly half of Shakespeare's plays are almost never produced, denigrated by puzzled Stratfordians as 'problem plays'." Say what?!?! 1) How large do you think the group of "problem plays" is? Or how small do you think the Shakespeare canon is? 2) What do you understand the term "problem play" to mean? 3) What on earth leads you to believe that "nearly half of Shakespeare's plays are almost never produced"?
"...the problem plays are plays written by William Shakespeare which are characterized by their complex and ambiguous tone, which shifts violently between more straightforward comic material and dark, psychological drama. Shakespeare's problem plays eschew the traditional trappings of both comedy and tragedy, and are sometimes cited as early predecessors to the tragicomedy." A problem play doesn't mean it doesn't get produced. Maybe a little background reading might be in order.
Todd here. I have my own BookTube Channel. More interesting videos. I've seen and own the movie that came out in 2011 On Edward De Vere and Shakespeare. It's one of my favorite movies!
Oh my goodness, I concede, in that piece of stunning evidence, it was obviously De Vere. Or maybe we could just take letters at random from anywhere in the works and prove that the plays were written by a time traveller from the future or something..I honestly think you lot are just winding people up half the time to see how ridiculous a claim you can actually make.
@@joannemoore3976 No, Joanne, you're not being fair. "Ever" and "every" are very rare words in English, so that was an amazing coincidence. Incidentally, that "very" I used establishes me as the 17th earl of Oxford.
People who on the basis of no evidence whatsoever believe that Edward De Vere, Earl of Oxford, wrote Shakespeare's entire corpus of works. Some also seem to think he had an affair with Queen Elizabeth I and fathered the Earl of Southampton 🤷♂️
People who think Edward de Vere Lord Oxenford wrote the works of Shakespeare. I dont know why they are not called Oxenforders but refuse to believe they would be so cynical as to think that associating their movement with Oxford University to the casual reader would give them credibility
I knew this would happen. We've started deleting the comments we don't like, haven't we Phoebe? What are you scared of? You're an expert, no? Surely you have an answer any comment that might come along? If your evidence is that pathetic, maybe re-examine your evidence.
Yes, in the narrow context of being associated in someway with the town (resident) and gown (student) of Oxford and Cambridge, in which case Oxonian and Cantabrigian are OK by me. And then we have Oxon and Cantab, something that passed me by in my own varsity experience at Uxbridge Poly where I took a starred first in Gobbledygook...
When you put on the Oxfordian glasses everything is so much clearer. Terrific presentation!
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What I love about Phoebe is that she never blocks hostile comments. I admire this. She clearly has faith in the evidence she presents, and is able to handle criticism with perfect equanimity.
Excellent presentation Phoebe. You keep on with you courageous determination never to block people presenting alternative evidence. You are one of the few Oxfordian commentators who don't censor everyone they disagree with.
I love that you have Infinite Jest on your bookshelf.
RIP DFW
Yet another excellent presentation by Phoebe. You can't get all the jokes if you don't realize who Shakespeare really was. For instance; when Hamlet calls Polonius a 'fishmonger'. Unless one knows what 'Cecil's Fast' was that will go over one's head. Or, in Henry V, when the Dauphin admits he's written a sonnet to his horse (Sidney, who died in 1586, is clearly being mocked).
thank you!
Good stuff. Ages ago I read ogburn then looney and was convinced about de vere. This analysis is very helpful. Thanks.
Thanks!
Yes Please, Looking forward to a Part Two
Is that when we get some actual EVIDENCE?
Brilliant work - facts - de Vere was amazing - and he was Shakespeare.
Hey WELL DONE 👏 You captured me.
After the behavior of her father no wonder she feared marriage and the level of trust it would have taken considering how much more power men had.
Great video! Highly informative and very well researched.
Thank you!
@@phoebenir7093 It'll be even better when you find some evidence.
"Well researched" except that she doesn't understand even something so basic as the definition of a "problem play" nor how many plays that category encompasses. Either that or she has vastly undercounted the number of plays in the Shakespeare canon. Either way she is exhibiting some very fundamental ignorance.
John Heminges, Henry Condell, and Richard Burbage, three actors of The Lord Chamberlain's Men, a famous acting company that included William Shakespeare, were given money by William Shakespeare of Stratford in his Last Will and Testament in 1616. Two of these actors, John Heminges and Henry Condell, were responsible for having 36 of Shakespeare's plays published in the First Folio in 1623.
Unfair! You're confusing them with facts! They are bears of little brain, and long words confuse them.
Love it, Phoebe! So glad to have you onboard the Oxfordian train! We need millennials like you in our train! (I'm assuming that you're millennial, hope it's okay!)
onboard the Oxfordian train to Funky Town. Actually, nowadays you'd all fit in a clown car!
This was so enlightening! Re-reading Shakespeare’s plays with Edward de Vere as the author in light of his biography makes much more sense & explains many of the convoluted conundrums & enigmas. Thank you for these excellent videos! How long can the Stratfordians hang on to their money making delusions? 🙏
EXACTLY like a climate change denier, or a flat earther, or a Q Anon devotee.
Of COURSE if you LOOK for codes and anagrams and references to secret societies, you'll find them.
But then ... the mystery you find so hard to get to grips with is that a kid from a small town turned out to be talented.
To be honest, mate, I've heard that story a million times. So many writers, actors, artists from Nowheresville.
I have no idea why you think plays then were autobiographical. You think Edward de Vere lived in Ancient Rome? Was Marlow a Scythian shepherd? And if you insist on believing that something in Hamlet MUST be based on stuff that happened to de Vere, just think about it for a minute.
Edward de Vere, VERY senior aristocrat is captured by pirates, and is ransomed.
Do you think this exciting story would be ignored by the rumour-mill? Of course not. It would be the talk of the Mermaid. Anyone looking for a sub-plot to get Hamlet back to Denmark where he was needed for the next bit of the story need look no further.
There's no copyright on real life.
As it happens though, Tolkien didn't live in the shire. JK Rowling didn't go to wizard schools, and George Lucas didn't battle a galactic empire. See? There is such a thing as human imagination.
Tell me which plays you've been reading, and I'll tell you where you're going wrong.
I'd be fascinated to hear which plays you're talking about.
@@bootube9972 The Shakespeare Oxford Society is publishing new editions of Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear and others. But the best way is reading secondary literature and watching their UA-cam videos. The Oxfordian essay series of books is great and inexpensive on Amazon. Watching the movie “Anonymous” is the easiest & very enlightening from the perspective of Edward de Vere as the real author. Great biography books by Paul Altrocchi “Most Greatly Lived” and “Malice Afterthought” and Percy Allen Vol 4 “The Life Story of Edward de Vere” all explain the plays from de Vere’s life. The initial breakthrough by Looney “Shakespeare Identified” is an eye opener! Happy reading!
@@johnwarner3968 No, John. You misunderstand. You said you were re-reading Shakespeare's work. And it was all clarified for you.
Which plays have you been reading, and how have they been clarified in the light of her videos?
I've SEEN 'Anonymous'. It adopts the unevidenced and frankly outrageous Prince Tudor theory that Elizabeth I not only had a secret son, but then had sex with him.
It also depicts the pro-Tudor play Richard III being played as a precursor to the Essex rebellion, which is beyond dumb. We KNOW that it was Richard II on unimpeachable documentary evidence, but Emmerich clearly didn't give a flying fibble about actual history. A director who makes such a whacko decision is NOT deserving of any serious consideration.
And if you get your facts from movies, then, I'm sad to tell you, you can't time-travel in a Delorian, there's no evil galactic empire, and there ain't no school called Hogwarts where you can learn magic.
Phoebe have you seen over at the Shakespeare Authorship Roundtable channel Bob Prechter's talk? Apparently de Vere was going around not just being Shakespeare but other writers too. Apparently Elizabeth kind of gave de Vere permission to go around the country and write and perform using other people's names as pen names. I am just now getting interested in this Elizabethan history. For sure Edward de Vere was Shakespeare but also apparently some other writers too.
yes I am a HUGE Robert Prechter fan, anyone reading this should check out www.oxfordsvoices.com !
Prove t. Go on! Find a document that proves this.
All this is true. But he also sometimes put on a frock to become a lady in waiting. He was also the Spanish ambassador, and wrote several notable recipe books, as well as a poem about the design of artillery pieces on Portuguese warships. He is of course the true author of 'Don Quixote', and wrote treatises on navigation, horsemanship, and created an attractive and comfortable codpiece which concealed match-lock pistol. True genius.
Busy chap wasn't he? 😂😂 I hope one day some at least of the anti stratfordians, and particularly those who worship at this bizarre shrine of De Vere, look back on some of these theories and wonder how they ever believed them.
And he could even write plays when he was dead. What a guy.
excellent presentation!
thanks bob!!
It’s so fun to imagine James Looney running around screaming his head off in excitement as he unearthed facts about De Vere.
I believe he was called John Thomas (which literally means dick in England) Not James.
@@thoutube9522 See Lady Chatterley's Lover.
@@thoutube9522Well there you have it. He must be wrong then.
Shakespeare refers to the Gunpowder Plot in Macbeth. He mentions "equivocation" and "equivocator" and this refers to the Catholic Priest Henry Garnet who was associated with the plot. There are also other allusions to the plot in the play. The date of the Gunpowder Plot was November 5, 1605. Therefore, the play Macbeth must have been completed after this date and most likely finished in mid to late 1606. Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, died on June 24, 1604, which obviously makes it impossible for him to have written the play Macbeth which has been attributed to Shakespeare and later published in the 1623 First Folio. It is difficult to write a play after you have died and there is obviously no way for Edward to have known of the Gunpowder Plot and the trial of Henry Garnet before his death.
@@EndoftheTownProductions oh don't worry, they have an explanation for that. They will tell you Oxford left a load of unpublished and unperformed plays when he died that were then presented later- not sure by whom, whoever was part of the conspiracy I guess, and that any topical post 1604 allusions were added by another writer. You honestly can't win with them 🙂
More please!
thanks! I'm not doing much here right now but I'm posting every day on TikTok... hope to get back to more UA-cam content soon!
Brilliant, Sophie! Don’t you wish you could meet Edward Devere?! SNL Renaissance style!
@@Jeffhowardmeade He'll probably be mellowed out by the time I get the chance - no longer having the perils of the envious court biting at his heels.
@@JeffhowardmeadeJust like the beloved Shakesper, convicted grain horder. What's your point?
Devere and Vasavour. Who knew? Great job, well researched.
Thanks!
How to read Hamlet as an Oxfordian is an essential analysis.
👍Thumbs up !
Bravo!
Unless you're a scholar, I'd suggest watching a production rather than reading.
In PERFORMANCE even a play like Hamlet is entertaining and sometimes funny. On the page, it's just difficult. Plays aren't written to be read.
@@thoutube9522 Thanks for the tip! I enjoy reading the plays, and have done so for years.
@@francisjudge Weird. Frankly, given the choice between reading a screenplay and seeing a film, I'd obviously opt for the film. But then, I suppose I'm not grubbing around for 'clues' about whether 'Star Wars' was actually written by Lord Snot of Snottington because how could the son of a shop-keeper possibly get clever enough to write films.
I'm happy for the actor and director and special effects to add their share to the magic.
@@thoutube9522 Thanks for sharing your happiness with me, very inspiring.
@@francisjudge Glad to have been of service.
"Consider that nearly half of Shakespeare's plays are almost never produced, denigrated by puzzled Stratfordians as 'problem plays'."
Say what?!?!
1) How large do you think the group of "problem plays" is? Or how small do you think the Shakespeare canon is?
2) What do you understand the term "problem play" to mean?
3) What on earth leads you to believe that "nearly half of Shakespeare's plays are almost never produced"?
Anderson was my gateway drug! The book has been republished under the name Margo Anderson.
"...the problem plays are plays written by William Shakespeare which are characterized by their complex and ambiguous tone, which shifts violently between more straightforward comic material and dark, psychological drama. Shakespeare's problem plays eschew the traditional trappings of both comedy and tragedy, and are sometimes cited as early predecessors to the tragicomedy."
A problem play doesn't mean it doesn't get produced. Maybe a little background reading might be in order.
All Europe was in the 80 years war, not only of religion but also question kings. Plays of the time poke at both.
So you don’t buy Mark Anderson’s theory that Bottom was based on Stratford Will?
Why in God's name do you think everything is BASED on someone?
Todd here. I have my own BookTube Channel. More interesting videos. I've seen and own the movie that came out in 2011 On Edward De Vere and Shakespeare. It's one of my favorite movies!
Sonnet 76: “That EVERy word doth almost tell my name.”
-------Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford
Oh my goodness, I concede, in that piece of stunning evidence, it was obviously De Vere. Or maybe we could just take letters at random from anywhere in the works and prove that the plays were written by a time traveller from the future or something..I honestly think you lot are just winding people up half the time to see how ridiculous a claim you can actually make.
@@joannemoore3976 No, Joanne, you're not being fair. "Ever" and "every" are very rare words in English, so that was an amazing coincidence. Incidentally, that "very" I used establishes me as the 17th earl of Oxford.
She doesn't know what people mean by 'Problem Plays'. Have you ever read the Merchant of Venice?
What is Oxfordianism
think of the Q conspiracy, but much, MUCH more stupid.
People who on the basis of no evidence whatsoever believe that Edward De Vere, Earl of Oxford, wrote Shakespeare's entire corpus of works. Some also seem to think he had an affair with Queen Elizabeth I and fathered the Earl of Southampton 🤷♂️
People who think Edward de Vere Lord Oxenford wrote the works of Shakespeare. I dont know why they are not called Oxenforders but refuse to believe they would be so cynical as to think that associating their movement with Oxford University to the casual reader would give them credibility
Excellent satire. Hard to believe, but there is a dwindling number of people who actually take this sort of thing seriously.
That’s because people are getting thicker.
Hidden Allusions in Shakespeare's Plays - Eva Clark Thompson, 1930
I knew this would happen. We've started deleting the comments we don't like, haven't we Phoebe?
What are you scared of? You're an expert, no? Surely you have an answer any comment that might come along?
If your evidence is that pathetic, maybe re-examine your evidence.
You speak too fast
One doesn't say Oxfordian. One normally says Oxonian.
Yes, in the narrow context of being associated in someway with the town (resident) and gown (student) of Oxford and Cambridge, in which case Oxonian and Cantabrigian are OK by me. And then we have Oxon and Cantab, something that passed me by in my own varsity experience at Uxbridge Poly where I took a starred first in Gobbledygook...