I've studied Oxford's letters closely with a specific eye for Shakespearean parallelisms and these were all news to me. Not only did I find Bonner Miller Cutting's work informative and impressive (as has been the case with each of her presentations I've viewed thus far), but her cheerful glee and enthusiasm is infectious. Brava!👏
Bonner Cutting is so marvelous. I've watched all of her talks for the Oxford Fellowship multiple times. She is so good at research and at presenting her findings. One of the most convincing Oxfordians.
Brilliant presentations. The lady has opened up not only the study of the authorship but managed to interest the audience with other material. The lecture on wardship was interesting. Never come across that area before. Fantastic teacher and beautiful to boot.
Much has been made of the size of Shakespeare's vocabulary. Perhaps something could be studied, is a comparison of the size of Oxford's vocabulary, as expressed in his available letters, compared to his contemporaries vocabularies, as expressed in their letters. Or even adding other written works by all involved. I'm thinking that Oxford's vocabulary might be revealed to be rather large, in comparison to his contemporaries.
Thank you again and again. Perhaps add, EO's expense of words to the truth of the tin blocks would by itself repay his £1000 stipend several times over.
I'm working in shotterton where anne hathaway lived. And, I've done alot of work around Stratford-upon-Avon. Shakespeare might not have been the writer. But the tourist industry to Stratford-upon-Avon. Maintains the old England buildings and villages in the area. Which would all have probably disappeared years ago. If it wasn't for the legend of Shakespeare. It would be a shame for Stratford-upon-Avon to lose its heritage status. Whatever, the truth.
Sadly many of the buildings they claim to be "original" were replaced in the 19th century. New House was rebuilt in the 1840s, if I recall, so it is one morel lie which Stratfordians hold dear.
Watch Alexander Waugh's Shakespeare's Birthplace Trust Exposed for elucidation & edification on the provenance of the "Shakespeare" bldgs in Stratford on Avon.
@@Short-Cipher DON'T watch Alexander Waugh's Shakespeare's Birthplace Trust Exposed for elucidation & edification on the provenance of the "Shakespeare" bldgs in Stratford on Avon. It's balls. There is a remarkably good document trail linking William Shakespeare and his family with Henley Street, and a quite reasonable argument that the 'Birthplace' (or part of it) was the family home. Part of the house became a tavern (the Swan and Maidenhead) and is shown in sketches. Damned evidence eh? Always getting in the way of your opinions. Sadly when Waugh doesn't like a comment, he doesn't challenge or present contrary evidence. He blocks. His scholarship is APPALLING. He makes a huge fuss, for example, about the letters VV being used as a representation of W. It is childishly easy to demonstrate that this was a common practice at the time, and has BUGGER ALL to do with de Vere. The video at: ua-cam.com/video/ICTZREpNXlw/v-deo.html shows what nonsense all this is.
@MrMartibobs I'm not convinced totally by anti-Stratfordians but do notice the poor scholarship of the Stratfordians and their distaste for challengeing, vigorous scientific inquiry.
Avon being the old name for Hampton Court. ‘Sweet swan of Hampton Court! what a sight it were To see thee in our waters yet appear, And make those flights upon the banks of Thames, That so did take Eliza and our James!’ (Neither Queen Elizabeth or King James would have ventured far from the banks of Thames.)
IF you look at rycote.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/Palaeography-Guide-alphabet you will find very clear samples of late sixteenth century secretary hand. A lower-case w has a slope before the letter begins. The purpose of this is to form a liaison with the previous letter so that a quick, even style can be achieved. In standard secretary hand, this slope goes UPWARDS from left to write, and the pen then goes downwards to begin what we would think of as the letter W. In the word 'truth' (or as it's spelled here, either 'triwth' or 'trwth'), there is no such slope. So it's perfectly understandable for the beginning part of the character to be interpreted as an 'i'. It's worth noting that the 'w' and 'u' distinction had not yet solidified at this point. Typically a printer's case did not include the letter W. It's complicated, and has to do with Latin transcriptions, but this was precisely the period when the final details of our alphabet were firming up.
Not being a scholar in this arena of research, I would ask whether this research into how often Edward de Vere’s words were found to be used, especially in Shakespeare's plays, indicates not only de Vere's exhaustive knowledge and comand of the English language at the time, but also proves that he was the author of Shakespeare's works? Can anyone enlighten me if Bonner Cutting's research forms a groundwork to such proof.
Bonner Cutting: You have made a tremendous research and given us substantive evidence of the imprint of Edward De Vere on the works of "Shake-speare' for the literate public.
Shouldn't she have included a control in her research? In other words, she should also see how common these rare words and phrases are in, say, the works of Marlowe, or Middleton.
Well, they weren't showing up in the Oxford Thesaurus or EEBO searches she referenced several times but it's still a valid point. Would you be able to undertake it as a homework assignment and report back?
Amazing, not too far off half of oxfords letters were about tin. How often is the word tin in the plays and poems? If it is a big fat zero then i expect that dhring his decades long writing career he deliiberately avoided the word in case someone read it and said "Tin, Eureka, devere must be shakespeare". I bet im not far wrong. Nurse, where are my meds?
the Oxfordian Theory holds that most, if not all, of the plays were written in the 1570s and early 1580s. De Vere's TIN investments date from the late 1590s, so there is no overlap - the tin letters were written well after De Vere would have written the plays, and that would explain why there is no references to tin in them.
I've studied Oxford's letters closely with a specific eye for Shakespearean parallelisms and these were all news to me. Not only did I find Bonner Miller Cutting's work informative and impressive (as has been the case with each of her presentations I've viewed thus far), but her cheerful glee and enthusiasm is infectious. Brava!👏
There is no other lecturer who has the same vitality and sense of humour as Bonner. I look forward to her presentations whenever they are announced.
What a wonderful woman! And a smiling and enthusiastic scholar who knows how communicates her joy and passion for discovery. That is something rare!
Bonner Cutting is so marvelous. I've watched all of her talks for the Oxford Fellowship multiple times. She is so good at research and at presenting her findings. One of the most convincing Oxfordians.
Brilliant presentations. The lady has opened up not only the study of the authorship but managed to interest the audience with other material. The lecture on wardship was interesting. Never come across that area before. Fantastic teacher and beautiful to boot.
Fabulous! So glad you put this online. Amazing
the "TRWTHE" is .....the welsh language uses the letter W - which is pronounced as letter "U" in English
I'm so late to the party! I can't thank you enough , how wonderful truth is!
Fabulous presentation!
How ownderful! I have just loved it!
Much has been made of the size of Shakespeare's vocabulary. Perhaps something could be studied, is a comparison of the size of Oxford's vocabulary, as expressed in his available letters, compared to his contemporaries vocabularies, as expressed in their letters. Or even adding other written works by all involved. I'm thinking that Oxford's vocabulary might be revealed to be rather large, in comparison to his contemporaries.
Yet, strangely enough, the word "tin" never shows up anywhere in the works.
Yes, that's a great idea.
@@jeffmeade8643 The word "Stratford" doesn't show up anywhere either.
@@jeffmeade8643Most Oxfordians argue the plays were written before the tin business
Thank you again and again. Perhaps add, EO's expense of words to the truth of the tin blocks would by itself repay his £1000 stipend several times over.
I'm working in shotterton where anne hathaway lived. And, I've done alot of work around Stratford-upon-Avon. Shakespeare might not have been the writer. But the tourist industry to Stratford-upon-Avon. Maintains the old England buildings and villages in the area. Which would all have probably disappeared years ago. If it wasn't for the legend of Shakespeare. It would be a shame for Stratford-upon-Avon to lose its heritage status. Whatever, the truth.
Sadly many of the buildings they claim to be "original" were replaced in the 19th century. New House was rebuilt in the 1840s, if I recall, so it is one morel lie which Stratfordians hold dear.
Watch Alexander Waugh's Shakespeare's Birthplace Trust Exposed for elucidation & edification on the provenance of the "Shakespeare" bldgs in Stratford on Avon.
@@Short-Cipher DON'T watch Alexander Waugh's Shakespeare's Birthplace Trust Exposed for elucidation & edification on the provenance of the "Shakespeare" bldgs in Stratford on Avon. It's balls. There is a remarkably good document trail linking William Shakespeare and his family with Henley Street, and a quite reasonable argument that the 'Birthplace' (or part of it) was the family home. Part of the house became a tavern (the Swan and Maidenhead) and is shown in sketches.
Damned evidence eh? Always getting in the way of your opinions.
Sadly when Waugh doesn't like a comment, he doesn't challenge or present contrary evidence. He blocks. His scholarship is APPALLING. He makes a huge fuss, for example, about the letters VV being used as a representation of W. It is childishly easy to demonstrate that this was a common practice at the time, and has BUGGER ALL to do with de Vere.
The video at:
ua-cam.com/video/ICTZREpNXlw/v-deo.html
shows what nonsense all this is.
@MrMartibobs I'm not convinced totally by anti-Stratfordians but do notice the poor scholarship of the Stratfordians and their distaste for challengeing, vigorous scientific inquiry.
Avon being the old name for Hampton Court. ‘Sweet swan of Hampton Court! what a sight it were
To see thee in our waters yet appear, And make those flights upon the banks of Thames,
That so did take Eliza and our James!’
(Neither Queen Elizabeth or King James would have ventured far from the banks of Thames.)
Bravo, fantastic, and that rant.... what a perfect end.
IF you look at rycote.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/Palaeography-Guide-alphabet you will find very clear samples of late sixteenth century secretary hand.
A lower-case w has a slope before the letter begins. The purpose of this is to form a liaison with the previous letter so that a quick, even style can be achieved.
In standard secretary hand, this slope goes UPWARDS from left to write, and the pen then goes downwards to begin what we would think of as the letter W.
In the word 'truth' (or as it's spelled here, either 'triwth' or 'trwth'), there is no such slope.
So it's perfectly understandable for the beginning part of the character to be interpreted as an 'i'.
It's worth noting that the 'w' and 'u' distinction had not yet solidified at this point.
Typically a printer's case did not include the letter W. It's complicated, and has to do with Latin transcriptions, but this was precisely the period when the final details of our alphabet were firming up.
Excellent work👍😁
Not being a scholar in this arena of research, I would ask whether this research into how often Edward de Vere’s words were found to be used, especially in Shakespeare's plays, indicates not only de Vere's exhaustive knowledge and comand of the English language at the time, but also proves that he was the author of Shakespeare's works? Can anyone enlighten me if Bonner Cutting's research forms a groundwork to such proof.
Bonner Cutting: You have made a tremendous research and given us substantive evidence of the imprint of Edward De Vere on the works of "Shake-speare' for the literate public.
More richer in scholarship than many.
I enjoyed that. Thank you
THE TONE Bonner points out is suggesting a personal relationship..not one of a Queen and a subject
Love this, congratulations
Of course by using W for U...often printed as "VV", he may be "personalizing" his alphabet!
Writers love to read and write, and Shakspere of Stratford-upon-Avon owned no books, and did not write even one letter.
Also his daughters were functionally illiterate 😂
Shouldn't she have included a control in her research? In other words, she should also see how common these rare words and phrases are in, say, the works of Marlowe, or Middleton.
Well, they weren't showing up in the Oxford Thesaurus or EEBO searches she referenced several times but it's still a valid point. Would you be able to undertake it as a homework assignment and report back?
Well done. Love it.
Brilliant!
Amazing, not too far off half of oxfords letters were about tin. How often is the word tin in the plays and poems? If it is a big fat zero then i expect that dhring his decades long writing career he deliiberately avoided the word in case someone read it and said "Tin, Eureka, devere must be shakespeare". I bet im not far wrong. Nurse, where are my meds?
the Oxfordian Theory holds that most, if not all, of the plays were written in the 1570s and early 1580s. De Vere's TIN investments date from the late 1590s, so there is no overlap - the tin letters were written well after De Vere would have written the plays, and that would explain why there is no references to tin in them.
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756Without lies, Stratfordism dies
‘‘Twas juggling fiends not juggling friends.