The important take-away from this video is to practice emergency braking on a regular basis so you become familiar with the point at which the tires are about to lock up. It's a waste of time to argue if the front tire provides 90%, or 75%, or 65% of the total braking because the coefficient of friction of the pads on the disc brake and the tire on the road is a constantly changing factor. What's important is to recognize the onset of an incipient skid and react quickly to prevent it. Only practice can help that.
I live by SIPDE....Scan,Identify,Prioritize,Decide,Execute...always be scanning your surroundings,identify the hazards,prioritize them,decide an escape route ,execute the escape as necessary
0:30; “We don’t want you relying on your ABS, cause sometimes it can fail”. 0:48; “Harley has some of the best brakes in the world” 0:52; “ABS brakes on these bikes are phenomenal” Totally awesome brakes, but don’t use them😂. Got it
Frt break is key because of Weight Transfer ....Physics .... You hit the Brake the Bike dives and the weight of the Bike is mostly on the Front wheel . ABS is not on All Bikes Make sure you know What Your Bike Has. Practice Practice Practice .......
So far I've hit an antelope in Casper, 2 elk in Estes Park and a Moose in Kalispell. ABS worked great just not fast enough. State Farm has yet to raise my rates btw.
on I-5 @ shasta lake bridge const, a 5 gallon propane bottle rolled out of a pickup bounced flew towards me and almost hit me in head. my pass yelled," it almost hit me"..... missed l lot of deer here in n calif....
Holy crap and you're alive? I know people who've spent time in intensive care after hitting large animals while driving a car. I ride in the city, I only have to worry about drunk drivers, 18 wheelers, texters, fast food eaters and women applying makeup ;-)
T Hunter: Judging by your name I think the bottle actually did hit you and did some severe damage. Never follow californians cooking meth and it won't happen again.
Sky King: Texas is crawling with deer, especially in the Hill Country and West Texas but so far all I've had to avoid are Armadillos, Javelina, Road Runners, and Illegals..
Excellent pointers. I've saved my own bacon numerous times in my life over the years simply by being in the moment when I ride and always anticipating all the hazardous situations that could arise based upon my surroundings. It really works well. Now, if I would only do the same when in my truck. lol
With my bike I can brake faster on dry pavement without ABS, but not on the wet. I like ABS on the wet. Remember straight line breaking only. The intermittent on / off effect of ABS can easily put you down in a corner. It's for straight line braking only.
can't brake in a turn? I brake every day in a turn. In fact, in my MSF course, they have you brake in a turn as one of the exercises. I think he meant to say you can't lock the wheels up in a turn.
With all due respect, its unbelievable how many riders are so mis-informed about braking. ABS will save your life, but Threshold Braking is always more efficient. If you don't understand that statement, please gain some professional training the life you save will be your own. Good Luck!
I'm here because I just locked up the front wheel on my Suzuki Intruder M109R and went down (separated shoulder joint, couple of cracked ribs and around $3000 worth of damage including new helmet.) Was behind a truck n a 30mph zone in a queue of traffic, don't remember anything unusual in the last moment before it happened but must have instinctively gone for the front brake when the truck pulled up sharp (it seems a car had pulled out on him.) Wasn't that close to him; maybe over-calculated my stopping distance (bike weighs 800 lbs.) Don't recall having grabbed at it any more sharply than usual, but almost immediately after touching that lever I was on the floor. Dry conditions, surface seemed ok, maybe slight camber, but suddenly felt like I was on an ice rink. Don't even remember the bike plunging down on the forks at all, wheel locked up immediately upon first brake contact. Trying to figure out if I really did grab too hard, hope that was it because otherwise I have no idea what happened and therefore no way of preventing it happening again.
It looked up because you snatched the front faster then the weight can transfer to the front. This is why its hard to practice true emergency braking and why ABS is so important. When you heal, practice two fingers on the front brake at all times and only two to stop the bike. Many riders keep all 4 on the grip then transfer all 4 to the lever (precious distance was lost during this transfer) then apply to much brake to quickly locking it up. 2 fingers on all the time quickens when the brakes are applied and is easier to control pressure..
Hi Justin I did the same thing on my M109r I grabbed the front brake to quickly(I paniced and I ended up losing the front end hitting a trailer at 40kph , quad tendon rupture, broken ribs , broken collarbone. I don't know if it was complacency or riding too many sports bikes which weigh almost half the weight. This is my first cruiser
Great video and good advice. He talks about maintaining that T-position and being upright. Obviously you don't want to brake while in a turn, but what's the recommendation for having to brake quickly while in a turn if you ever had to?!
The recommendation for braking quickly in a turn is to learn to fly because the bike is going down. The most common two choices in a curve...brake hard and lay it down or straighten up and hit the ditch.
"You cannot brake in a turn" Uh, yeah, you absolutely can. It's called trail braking. You add brakes, the bike wants to stand up, so you apply more counter steering input in with the bars and then boom: you're braking and turning at the same time.
This is all good for those who have ABS brakes....Now how about a total instructional for those who do NOT have ABS??? The Braking is totally different.
Are you sure the ABS brakes on a motorcycle will help you to win back a "frontwheelslide" - it depends on the speed, the steeringangle and the surface. Dont compare the safety of ABS on a motorcycle to a car !
I've always told other drivers (car) ABS means "Another Bad Situation. Pump ya brakes!" ABS will ALWAYS mean Another Bad Situation, because of when it has to be used.
Sometimes you don't have time to brake when an idiot pulls right out in front of you! That's when you lay it down, bike first, and hope that your bike destroys their car and also that the guy behind you stops in time!
Pilgrim777 -- laying it down is the dumbest thing you can do. Metal sliding on asphalt has no grip. Good tires and good emergency braking skills stop you much quicker.
I was told years, 52 to be exact, the ones who drop their scoot have less injuries than those who try to ride it through. Back in 81 I laid my 80 wide glide down at 80 mph in a curve to the left. Yanked the right handle bar back and down we went. A sore left shoulder but needed no medical and That was all. Now I was drunk at the time so maybe that helped.
The text read that if you lock either wheel, you should release it. WRONG, if you lock the rear, you should leave it on and continue to skid until you come to a complete stop.
lol. No you never keep a lock on. A locked wheel will cause the bike to go out of control. I accidentally locked my rear wheel on the freeway last year. It skidded and started to weave. I immediately released and got back full control. Had I kept it on, either I would have crashed, or the vehicles behind me would have ran me over.
Sure. You lock the wheel, the friction between the asphalt and the tire causes the surface of the tire to liquidize (that's why you see skid marks), resulting in a total loss of traction (as you'd have if you were riding on ice). So while it does sound a little odd the way he put it, it's actually completely accurate.
had a huge buck come out of woods going through Idaho doing bout 65 believe antilock brakes saved me slow me up in ahurry I believe with out them I would have hit it buddy behind me thought I was going to hit it I ride Harley ultra limited
Basically, you can stop perfectly you can drive perfectly..that wont stop the law of average. Dont commute on a motorcycle as the more you ride the next acciden situation is multiplied there are just too many drug takers,alcohol inebriated, texting,nose picking,makeup applying and just plain stupid,selfish people who do not give a shit about anyone else on the road.. Ride for leisure..but limit your time out there.
OOOOPS It is not 90% front brakes. !! 65 % front / 35 % rear is more like it. Yes you can brake in a curve - it just takes practice ! "You have to be aware of what is happening behind you" But you do not turn and look behind - you drop your head forward and down every time. And as an 'instructor' why do you wear a soup bowl for a helmet? This video does not impress me at all.
Yes Sure he said 90% of your braking is the front brake. Not 90% of the stopping power, which is what you're referring to when using both brakes. when using both brakes, 65/35 stopping power like you state. Some say 75/25 for a sport bike. You only need to use the front brake for the most part.
Stating " 90% of your braking is the front brake " will certainly give people the impression that the front does 90% of the work and the rear 10% of the work. And what about my other comments?
Richard Plantagenet Is there any reason that you cannot remove the helmet when you are lecturing a group of people? Then if you are going to demonstrate something put your full face helmet on. Simple 🏍️
"ABS is great...ABS is wonderful...ABS on a Harley is by Brembo brand brakes...ABS is safe and will save your backside...ABS is amazing. BUT....we don't want you to ever use it because we will teach you how to brake in a way that should you ever need ABS in an emergency, they won't perform correctly because you will be too busy trying to out modulate the ABS modulator!" What utter horseshit. That's like telling people to turn off the airbags in their cars because you will teach them to drive in a way that they will never need them. This guy probably has an old 56k modem in his closet in case his high speed connection ever fails. Oh, Rick Moranis called and wants his "Dark Helmet" prop from Space Balls back!
Obviously he knows nothing about a bike that is not a Hardley. Yes Hardley. Nor does he have much of an idea of what actual good brakes are if he thinks Hardleys have good brakes. He also has no idea of what a sport bike can do. I think he needs to learn how to ride and for gods sake get off that pile of garbage Hardley.
Who wants to ride 500 plus miles on a sport bike? Additionally very few police departments in US / Canada outfit their motor officers with sport bikes.
BMW, Honda ST1300, Kawasaki Concourse..any of those would handle, brake, accelerate and perform better then those Harleys. I don't know why Department as so stuck on Harleys, put the Officers safety first and scrap the Harleys!! I will ride 500 miles plus on any of the bikes I have listed!
Search YT for "Beverly Hills Police Motor Unit Recruitment 2016" they ride the BMW 1200RT I think many departments around the country are sensitive to the "made in America" thing, there's also a Harley tradition among motor officers - but I don't disagree with what your said.
Caz Gerald Your absolutely right on both accounts. The problem is bikes advanced way beyond what Harley has to offer and usually Captains or above make the decisions. They rode when it was like what you said, USA, tradition, and the classic look. If the bikes are only used for parades and show, sure go Harley but when used for enforcement the Harley's need to stay in the garage. These Harley's are straight up sketchy at over about 105 trying to over take a violator.
The important take-away from this video is to practice emergency braking on a regular basis so you become familiar with the point at which the tires are about to lock up. It's a waste of time to argue if the front tire provides 90%, or 75%, or 65% of the total braking because the coefficient of friction of the pads on the disc brake and the tire on the road is a constantly changing factor. What's important is to recognize the onset of an incipient skid and react quickly to prevent it. Only practice can help that.
I've been riding scooters and bikes for 27 years, and I learnt a lot from watching this. Thank you!
I live by SIPDE....Scan,Identify,Prioritize,Decide,Execute...always be scanning your surroundings,identify the hazards,prioritize them,decide an escape route ,execute the escape as necessary
Exactly
When you brake DON'T TURN THE HANDLE BAR .. trust me I learned the hard way
Very good instructional video for new riders. Also a good review for those of us who have been riding for decades.
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Thank you great video for those of us that have been riding quite a few years things we take for granted..
GREAT INFO, BIKE, AND VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so what's the trick...and what happens at 70mph...how far will you go threshold braking on a freeway...thanks
What wiser words can be said? I try to think that way when on the bike.
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0:30; “We don’t want you relying on your ABS, cause sometimes it can fail”.
0:48; “Harley has some of the best brakes in the world”
0:52; “ABS brakes on these bikes are phenomenal”
Totally awesome brakes, but don’t use them😂. Got it
Frt break is key because of Weight Transfer ....Physics ....
You hit the Brake the Bike dives and the weight of the Bike is mostly on the Front wheel .
ABS is not on All Bikes Make sure you know What Your Bike Has.
Practice Practice Practice .......
So far I've hit an antelope in Casper, 2 elk in Estes Park and a Moose in Kalispell. ABS worked great just not fast enough. State Farm has yet to raise my rates btw.
on I-5 @ shasta lake bridge const, a 5 gallon propane bottle rolled out of a pickup bounced flew towards me and almost hit me in head. my pass yelled," it almost hit me"..... missed l lot of deer here in n calif....
Holy crap and you're alive? I know people who've spent time in intensive care after hitting large animals while driving a car. I ride in the city, I only have to worry about drunk drivers, 18 wheelers, texters, fast food eaters and women applying makeup ;-)
Sky King : oh wow. We only hit camels here in the middle east.
T Hunter: Judging by your name I think the bottle actually did hit you and did some severe damage. Never follow californians cooking meth and it won't happen again.
Sky King: Texas is crawling with deer, especially in the Hill Country and West Texas but so far all I've had to avoid are Armadillos, Javelina, Road Runners, and Illegals..
Excellent pointers. I've saved my own bacon numerous times in my life over the years simply by being in the moment when I ride and always anticipating all the hazardous situations that could arise based upon my surroundings. It really works well. Now, if I would only do the same when in my truck. lol
Thanks Stan great job sir!!!!!!
Yep that's good old Harley-Davidson behind on technology. If I get down on either brake hard enough on my Voyager it will apply both brakes
With my bike I can brake faster on dry pavement without ABS, but not on the wet. I like ABS on the wet. Remember straight line breaking only. The intermittent on / off effect of ABS can easily put you down in a corner. It's for straight line braking only.
I wouldn't feel sure myself with Abs, even under rain
the legend 57 was here
Hola, soy de Chile, me gustan sus vídeos, pero serían mucho mejor si tuvieran traducción
Saludos
This man is an excellent instructor!
Great video thank you for this life saving skilled
That helmet is from Star Wars. The imperial guys who fire the turbo laser on the death star.
can't brake in a turn? I brake every day in a turn. In fact, in my MSF course, they have you brake in a turn as one of the exercises.
I think he meant to say you can't lock the wheels up in a turn.
Mark S --- at the school where I was an instructor we taught people to brake in a decreasing radius
If you don't know if yo have ABS...read your owners manual. If you do not have one...look it up online. Shiny side up!
I guess the speaker is using the wrong microphone, an ambient one
With all due respect, its unbelievable how many riders are so mis-informed about braking. ABS will save your life, but Threshold Braking is always more efficient. If you don't understand that statement, please gain some professional training the life you save will be your own. Good Luck!
Thanks
Great tips. Thanks!
Great advise!
Great video, very informative.
I'm here because I just locked up the front wheel on my Suzuki Intruder M109R and went down (separated shoulder joint, couple of cracked ribs and around $3000 worth of damage including new helmet.) Was behind a truck n a 30mph zone in a queue of traffic, don't remember anything unusual in the last moment before it happened but must have instinctively gone for the front brake when the truck pulled up sharp (it seems a car had pulled out on him.) Wasn't that close to him; maybe over-calculated my stopping distance (bike weighs 800 lbs.) Don't recall having grabbed at it any more sharply than usual, but almost immediately after touching that lever I was on the floor. Dry conditions, surface seemed ok, maybe slight camber, but suddenly felt like I was on an ice rink. Don't even remember the bike plunging down on the forks at all, wheel locked up immediately upon first brake contact. Trying to figure out if I really did grab too hard, hope that was it because otherwise I have no idea what happened and therefore no way of preventing it happening again.
It looked up because you snatched the front faster then the weight can transfer to the front. This is why its hard to practice true emergency braking and why ABS is so important. When you heal, practice two fingers on the front brake at all times and only two to stop the bike. Many riders keep all 4 on the grip then transfer all 4 to the lever (precious distance was lost during this transfer) then apply to much brake to quickly locking it up. 2 fingers on all the time quickens when the brakes are applied and is easier to control pressure..
my MSF instructors would fail any student who rode with fingers on the brakes. Bad form.
Hi Justin I did the same thing on my M109r I grabbed the front brake to quickly(I paniced and I ended up losing the front end hitting a trailer at 40kph
, quad tendon rupture, broken ribs , broken collarbone. I don't know if it was complacency or riding too many sports bikes which weigh almost half the weight. This is my first cruiser
Legend57 was here!
Harley with ABS? ooo thats is something!
I took my bike to a parking lot and practice this on my katana to get a feel ..
Great video and good advice. He talks about maintaining that T-position and being upright. Obviously you don't want to brake while in a turn, but what's the recommendation for having to brake quickly while in a turn if you ever had to?!
The recommendation for braking quickly in a turn is to learn to fly because the bike is going down. The most common two choices in a curve...brake hard and lay it down or straighten up and hit the ditch.
CorollaNut68
CorollaNut68
Does he offer classes to the public?
"You cannot brake in a turn"
Uh, yeah, you absolutely can. It's called trail braking. You add brakes, the bike wants to stand up, so you apply more counter steering input in with the bars and then boom: you're braking and turning at the same time.
right, but this needs practice. the first times one finds oneself hugging a tree....
Is this motorcycle with ABS?
awesome video.
Great video
This is all good for those who have ABS brakes....Now how about a total instructional for those who do NOT have ABS??? The Braking is totally different.
thanks Stan
Great explanation, and you can tell he is an ex cop, from the way he moves. Great tips
Are you sure the ABS brakes on a motorcycle will help you to win back a "frontwheelslide" - it depends on the speed,
the steeringangle and the surface. Dont compare the safety of ABS on a motorcycle to a car !
Special that a motorcycle instructor does not consider it necessary to drive with a safe helmet.
Thanks .widh I could have understood you better.
I would not want anything to do with abs on my motorcycle. Can't you people ride without ABS
I've always told other drivers (car) ABS means "Another Bad Situation. Pump ya brakes!" ABS will ALWAYS mean Another Bad Situation, because of when it has to be used.
The dude has a lot to learn! Sad that people like this are giving this kind of WRONG advise!
Sometimes you don't have time to brake when an idiot pulls right out in front of you! That's when you lay it down, bike first, and hope that your bike destroys their car and also that the guy behind you stops in time!
Pilgrim777 -- laying it down is the dumbest thing you can do. Metal sliding on asphalt has no grip. Good tires and good emergency braking skills stop you much quicker.
I was told years, 52 to be exact, the ones who drop their scoot have less injuries than those who try to ride it through. Back in 81 I laid my 80 wide glide down at 80 mph in a curve to the left. Yanked the right handle bar back and down we went. A sore left shoulder but needed no medical and That was all. Now I was drunk at the time so maybe that helped.
Your never to old to learn I abuse my rear brake to much I have to start using my front a little more
sure, that all of us learnerd in our teens
sunking57 I mainly use front and back equally
Brett Peterson, my fault is I rely heavily more on my front break than my rear I know I need to change this breaking method
That would be "front brake" and "braking method"...that is unless you're "breaking" something into pieces....
It's hard for me to understand what he is saying. Some kind of noise.
me too
he stops engine everytine he is going to talk, because he knows he has got a wrong microphone
The text read that if you lock either wheel, you should release it. WRONG, if you lock the rear, you should leave it on and continue to skid until you come to a complete stop.
lol. No you never keep a lock on. A locked wheel will cause the bike to go out of control. I accidentally locked my rear wheel on the freeway last year. It skidded and started to weave. I immediately released and got back full control. Had I kept it on, either I would have crashed, or the vehicles behind me would have ran me over.
I love my ABS
Happy are you. I don' t like. My brain, reflex actions and do better. Ask if race pilots use Abs
"burns into the asphalt and turns into ice"???
Sure. You lock the wheel, the friction between the asphalt and the tire causes the surface of the tire to liquidize (that's why you see skid marks), resulting in a total loss of traction (as you'd have if you were riding on ice).
So while it does sound a little odd the way he put it, it's actually completely accurate.
Samuel Wear Ice is a whole lot more slippery.
Either case is enough to put you down.
had a huge buck come out of woods going through Idaho doing bout 65 believe antilock brakes saved me slow me up in ahurry I believe with out them I would have hit it buddy behind me thought I was going to hit it I ride Harley ultra limited
Basically, you can stop perfectly you can drive perfectly..that wont stop the law of average. Dont commute on a motorcycle as the more you ride the next acciden situation is multiplied there are just too many drug takers,alcohol inebriated, texting,nose picking,makeup applying and just plain stupid,selfish people who do not give a shit about anyone else on the road.. Ride for leisure..but limit your time out there.
dude looks like Barney Fife in the episode where he got a police motorcycle.
Voodoo Boogaloo I missed that episode. Barney got a motorcycle? Ha!
Vincenzo Francardo
I wonder how many times he's dropped the bike or fallen off while giving these demos.
Probably none!
You wish! LOL!
Conway79 I wonder hoy many times he dropped the motorcycles to get these skills?
At hat looks like a terribly noisy crash helmet
You are an Instructor and you are wearing that helmet. Immediate loss of credibility.
He needs to instruct (talk)
Audio is crap ...
Hello im Stan i I sound like Donald Duck
OOOOPS It is not 90% front brakes. !! 65 % front / 35 % rear is more like it.
Yes you can brake in a curve - it just takes practice !
"You have to be aware of what is happening behind you" But you do not turn and look behind - you drop your head forward and down every time.
And as an 'instructor' why do you wear a soup bowl for a helmet?
This video does not impress me at all.
Yes Sure he said 90% of your braking is the front brake. Not 90% of the stopping power, which is what you're referring to when using both brakes. when using both brakes, 65/35 stopping power like you state. Some say 75/25 for a sport bike. You only need to use the front brake for the most part.
Stating " 90% of your braking is the front brake " will certainly give people the impression that the front does 90% of the work and the rear 10% of the work.
And what about my other comments?
I'm all for a full-face helmet, if that's what your referring to.
well... talking to a class through a full face helmet would be awkward, no?
Richard Plantagenet Is there any reason that you cannot remove the helmet when you are lecturing a group of people? Then if you are going to demonstrate something put your full face helmet on. Simple 🏍️
Good way to get rear ended
Shannon Payne - so what’s the alternative, rear ending the person in front of you?
Don’t be stupid ....
"sometimes your ABS can fail" uhmmm...yea...not likely.
"ABS is great...ABS is wonderful...ABS on a Harley is by Brembo brand brakes...ABS is safe and will save your backside...ABS is amazing. BUT....we don't want you to ever use it because we will teach you how to brake in a way that should you ever need ABS in an emergency, they won't perform correctly because you will be too busy trying to out modulate the ABS modulator!" What utter horseshit. That's like telling people to turn off the airbags in their cars because you will teach them to drive in a way that they will never need them. This guy probably has an old 56k modem in his closet in case his high speed connection ever fails. Oh, Rick Moranis called and wants his "Dark Helmet" prop from Space Balls back!
Buy some proper clothing buddy.
Obviously he knows nothing about a bike that is not a Hardley. Yes Hardley. Nor does he have much of an idea of what actual good brakes are if he thinks Hardleys have good brakes. He also has no idea of what a sport bike can do. I think he needs to learn how to ride and for gods sake get off that pile of garbage Hardley.
Who wants to ride 500 plus miles on a sport bike? Additionally very few police departments in US / Canada outfit their motor officers with sport bikes.
BMW, Honda ST1300, Kawasaki Concourse..any of those would handle, brake, accelerate and perform better then those Harleys. I don't know why Department as so stuck on Harleys, put the Officers safety first and scrap the Harleys!! I will ride 500 miles plus on any of the bikes I have listed!
Search YT for "Beverly Hills Police Motor Unit Recruitment 2016" they ride the BMW 1200RT
I think many departments around the country are sensitive to the "made in America" thing, there's also a Harley tradition among motor officers - but I don't disagree with what your said.
Caz Gerald Your absolutely right on both accounts. The problem is bikes advanced way beyond what Harley has to offer and usually Captains or above make the decisions. They rode when it was like what you said, USA, tradition, and the classic look. If the bikes are only used for parades and show, sure go Harley but when used for enforcement the Harley's need to stay in the garage. These Harley's are straight up sketchy at over about 105 trying to over take a violator.
Awe, I did not hear him say anything bad about other bikes. Don't feel threatened by Harley's.Your bike is Special too. lol