I know you found jaffina originally in the wild, but how do you guys know it was a completely wild albino compared to an albino that was somebody's escaped pet? I am genuinely curious
@@abigailross1890 but that would not make a lot of sense, don't you think? they're experienced breeders and they didn't even address the issue in the video. It looks like they were so taken by the possibility the didn't even consider it. my guess, but idk
The very light almost Caramel male snake is stunning. I would love to see him kept and bred to see if he is a just within normal range variation as his colour is so striking.
I feel that it would be noteworthy that half of Jeffina 2’s offspring would actually be het for the ‘normal’ albino allele as she would only have 1 copy of the ‘new’ allele and the other would be from Lumpy which is the normal albino allele so therefore as she’s passing her genes on only half the offspring would be of that unique allele
@@PondScummer No, they proved her albino mutation is allelic with the one already present in the hobby. It might not be the same mutation. Genes consist of a start codon followed by a bunch of codes for proteins building an enzyme and then a stop codon, and after the stop codon everything is ignored until the next start codon for the next gene. Albinism is usually a nonsense mutation, which refers to a mutation where part of the gene changed to be a stop codon that cuts the enzyme off early (in contrast to a missense mutation, where a codon changed to code for a different protein instead). But it's entirely possible that Jeffina's albinism allele has the stop codon at a different spot than the most common allele in the hobby (or that Jeffina had two different albinism alleles herself). Sometimes these differences can have subtle effects on phenotype, for example maybe one allele drastically reduces melanin and the other completely eliminates it, so a homozygote for the one allele would be slightly darker than a homozygote for the other allele. The only way to know for sure if it's the same mutation or a different mutation on the same allele would be genetic testing.
No, they've failed to prove anything here. If the new albinism is dominant and Lumpy really was wildtype (the original assumption), Jeffina II is het-albino and can just so happen to not pass down either gene in any clutch. They now need to demonstrate that either Lumpy is actually het-albino by pairing him with albino females or that the new babies are het-albino by pairing with other albinos. The assumption that Lumpy is het-albino should have been tested in tandem with this clutch, so the test is still incomplete even if they're probably right.
Nope aside what the other commenters stated when a snake with a recessive gene reproduces all offspring gain that gene. Saying normal is W and albino is w the mother would be ww meaning her albinism is expressed. If she was Ww than only 50% would carry her genes as she would be heterozygous. I think what we are seeing in this clutch is different expressions of the new albino gene. I'm still thinking that this gene could be an epic morph if proven as a codom ypu get interesting colors/patterns and in its homozygous expression or as a super it expresses as albino? We can't know right now, but I think time will tell. Every one of those babies has potential to change the hobby though as far as hognoses go.
I think it's worth noting that this second generation isn't necessarily guaranteed to have Jeffina's albino allele since you proved that it wasn't dominant. Jeffina 2 could have passed either the "new" albino allele or the established albino allele to her children. Pairing two of these babies could actually result in an albino from 2 of the established albino alleles. However, if Jeffina was truly wild, the offspring would benefit generally from the influx of new genes, regardless of whether they had the "new" albino allele or not.
They were only trying to prove whether or not it was a dominant gene. There’s no known dominant gene for albinism, the genes that produce every form of true albinism are an autosomal recessive inheritance. Lumpy was not supposed to be het albino, so the original pairing - Jeffina & Lumpy - shouldn’t have produced any albino offspring, but it did. So, either Jeffina carried the world’s first & only known dominant gene for albinism, and was capable of passing it to her offspring by herself, with only 1 parent carrying the gene, or Lumpy was actually het albino. In the end, Lumpy’s het albino, and there’s still no such thing as a dominant allele for albinism. That’s what they were trying to confirm, and they did.
Right! Jeffina2 was albino because she got one new albino allele from Mom Jeffina and one old albino allele from Dad now known to be a het for the old allele. So her babies in this group could have gotten either an old or a new albino allele.
@@DrAnderson1 yes mate, they proved it wasn't dominant albinism, however multiple times during the video they said they were making babies with the het for the new gene albinism. Which to the point, is only a 50% chance.
@@APerson863 The issue is that this is NOT proven. Even if it is a new bloodline, it's still only the exact same as outcrossing with a wild hog if the albino gene thats passed on is the one that was from the already established albino line. Additionally its more than possible this random albino was an abandoned one that was a pet potentially or just an escapee. There is no proof at this point I believe other than trusting the person who found it that it was indeed wild born. There are so so so many different ways what they are presenting as fact is flawed. It's very frustrating.
How can you be certain that Jeffina was not a released pet? It would explain how she survived to adulthood, and it is unfortunately maybe even more reasonable to think someone would release a pet into the wild than that an albino would survive the wild into adulthood. In that case, it's the same albinism that's already in the pet trade. Is there any way to know for sure that it's a new bloodline?
Genetic testing I guess. I hope they did/will do a genetic test but forgot to mention it since they seemed so sure Jeffina was a wild albino compared to that axanthic looking bullsnake.
@@theilluminati682 They did do a video at a genetic testing lab last year, it was really interesting. It'd be cool if it turned out that they went there for this reason and they did a follow up video on their morph testing research.
If there had not been wild born albinos as well as other morphs that survived into adulthood and reproduced successfully we wouldn't have the genes in captive bred animals to be able to reproduce them. Albino animals are capable of avoiding predation you only have to look at the general anal kingdom to see that
@@TripleSix-jp8om it's that they tell people not to because it could be a deadly snake and their is a difference between legally taking one and just scooping one from the wild
I love the light caramel-colored baby. He is so pretty! I would love to see an update on this clutch after they shed a few times and have started eating well. Just to see if the colors get brighter or darker.
How is it you guys were able to verify Jeffina the first wasn't just a pet snake that was released into the wild? Is there genetic testing that can be done that verifies that her strain is a new bloodline? (Not to be a downer, just genuine curiosity)
These babies are adorable. Just have to correct the genetic math a bit. Jeffina 2 will have one cooy of the albanism allele from Lumpy and one from Jeffina. So half her babies will carry the new albanism allele and half will carry what Lumpy gave Jeffina 2. If y'all want to create a sure line of Jeffina's albanism you would need to pair up 2 of Jeffina 2's normal appearing siblings, since they will have both only gotten an albanism allele from Jeffina. The albinos from that pairing would be completely new in all their albino alleles, just like Jeffina
Confirming that Jeffina was a wild albino and not an escaped pet is pretty easy to do. They could just genetically test one of her offspring and compare it to any other captive bred albino. My guess is that they probably already did this with her since she was such a large breeding project between multiple experienced breeders. I know Rare Genetics is a company that does this. They have genetically tested reptiles before so it isn't something they're unknown to do.
I feel like if they had done genetic testing they would have said so. It really looks like they were just trying to prove it out by breeding and are assuming Jeffina I was wild. I think they should test the genes and compare them just to be sure. A new strain would really be a big deal!
@@MewGirlZI feel like they might have wanted to check the dominance first since that would show up immediately as a unique gene. If they haven't done the test yet, I imagine they will do so in the future if the cost makes sense for them.
@@MewGirlZ If they haven't they most likely will. I just feel like spending 5 years on someones escaped pet would be a waste of time. They most likely already thought of that and since it was another breeder along with them working on this I would assume, as experienced breeders, they would have already taken the necessary precautions to prove that she was wild caught before they spent years on this breeding project.
re: Jeffina possibly being a released pet Even captive-bred hognoses are notoriously picky eaters and mice aren't their most natural prey. So getting a wild-caught adult to take frozen thawed mice must be exceptionally hard if not impossible. So my question is, did Jeffina take frozen thawed mice with relatively little fuss? Because if she did, I'd say that all but confirms she was captive-bred and released/escaped into the wild
I just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me!! I followed you for years and today I got my first ever reptile. A teeny tiny Axhantic Hognose snake female. She's thinner than my pinkie! I love her so much already! So thank you guys!
9:50 your excitement explaining all of this is so contagious. I was hanging onto every word. Near the end it literally looked like you were about to combust with emotion/excitement. I love seeing that!
Could Jeffina have retained sperm from a previous breeding session to produce those albinos? There's still a chance that Lumpy is not het albino... But this is a super cool experiment, and I loved hearing about the story!!!
Thank you for working so hard to strengthen and preserve the genetics! Inbreeding is one of the biggest problems we face with a lot of pets. You all rock!!
Jeffina must have been a quick albino, lived her whole life in the wild, and was probably slowing down in her old age, and got caught. Thank goodness too, because you got some good new blood in the trade.
I've been watching and doing research for awhile about Hognoses. I have actually convinced my wife that they are adorable and she wants to get me one in the near future. I'm so excited that I could convince her they really are adorable and unique little beans! The baby videos make me SO excited!
I love the hatching videos so much, but this one might be my fave. Your enthusiasm and care for the health of the snakes is so evident, and so wonderful to see. Taking care of bloodlines to avoid developing deformities and illnesses that will only mean the snakes will suffer is so key. Thank you for all you do. ❤
It's insanely cool that you're able to strengthen the gene pool for albinism with these babies! I know it would've been exciting to discover a dominant albinism strain, but I almost find this more exciting. Knowing that it will benefit so many future hoggies is just fantastic 💚
Im sure its probably a pain and tiring but i love that every videos you both make sure to let people watching know the blood is normal and not cutting the snake! ❤
I think you explained everything about the parents perfectly. I do not keep snakes as a hobby, and I understood everything you said. You are an excellent teacher. I thought all of the snakes were beautiful but the one with the white spots was exceptionally beautiful. Congratulations.
Glad someone else had the same thought. Given how hard it is for albino animals to live in the wild regardless, it makes more sense to me that the original Jeffina mentioned in this video was someone's castoff when they realized they didn't want to have her for whatever reason. Which is disgusting, captive-bred animals don't always do well in the wild.
how do we know that the wild albino wasn't a pet that was released into the wild or escaped? I know its not impossible for the gene to randomly crop up in the wild (it happens; probably wouldn't have albino in captivity if it _couldn't_ be found in the wild), but I also know that snakes can get out pretty easily. Probably the best way to prove it would be to do a genetic comparison between the captive albinos and these ones, but I don't know if anyone has actually gone to the effort of sequencing hognose dna.
As someone with a master's degree with a lot of genetics, I was squirming every time they kept repeating that all of them would have the new allele because typically they don't make that mistake. Only 50% of the babies would, since Jeffina II would carry only 1 allele from her mother Jeffina and 1 allele from Lumpy, who would have the traditional albino gene. Assuming Jeffina was truly a wild, homogeneous allelic albino, and not an escaped pet. If Jeffina carried a heterogeneous allele pair, one of the new and one of the known traditional, the likelihood of passing down the new allele becomes even slimmer. And that in turn raises the question, if Jeffina was heterozygote for the albino allele, did she only pass down the working, established albino allele in her phenotypical albino offspring? And the other allele is masked or non-functional? Super interesting and unknowable until further clutches are had, and whether there is a response explaining Jeffina's origins in more detail.
19:53 My favourite is probably the high-expression Conda, but I just think it's crazy how different they all are! Especially the colouration differences, I wonder if there's anything genetic going on with that?
I think everyone forgets that all basic morphs originated from wild caught specimens. Plus the possibility of finding a new strain of albino that passed on the albino trait with only one parent carrying the gene would be pretty amazing. But they do have a new albino bloodline which is good for captive bloodlines congrats to them.
You guys are right, these babies are all so unique! I wonder if it has to do with mom's unique genetic background too. After all, healthy wild specimens are supposed to have way more genetic diversity than captive bred individuals.
If you got albino babies from the wild albino to the already established strain of albinos. (Which was your het, Lumpy) that means your first clutch of albinos each have a copy of both strains of albinism. So this clutch here, you can't tell which strain you have... the only way to have the new strain of albinism would be to breed two hets from the very first clutch together. If that makes sense.
Yes, but a lot of the benefit of a new strain of albinism is actually not related to the albinism itself. The thing is that in order to get visuals of recessive morphs, you usually need to breed related animals together, which also results in homozygosity of other genes, some of which can cause health issues. So assuming Jeffina was actually a wild snake and not an escaped pet, she would not be closely related to captive albinos and therefore less likely to share other undesired recessives with them.
@@ettinakitten5047but that still won't bring anything special. You'd have the same benefits if you breed a normal unrelated wild hognose to an albino. The babys will be just as related and unrelated to the rest as Jeffina2s babys are.
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me a better appreciation for/understanding of snakes. When I got home a few minutes ago a little snake had gotten into my house. Instead of killing it, like my family always has in the past, I just picked him up and set him back outside. So, thanks from me and from lil snek friend!
Fun fact: dominant albino genes are extremely rare, as in I cannot think of a single example. If you think of the parts of a cell as little factories, albinism is usually a problem in the factory that makes melanin. Now in a het snake, half of the factories are not working properly, but the other half are. The half that are working make melanin just fine, and in most animals these factories just put in a little over time to make up for the ones that don't work. This results in het babies looking normal. Now to have an dominant albino gene, you need something wrong with all of the factories in a het snake. This is usually due to the broken factories accidently making or doing something that stops all of the other factories from working too. As you can imagine, that is super unlikely so that's why a dominant albino gene would be super exciting.
To those think it was likely a released captive snake - most snakes that have been raised in captivity aren't used to the bacteria/viruses in the wild or stress of the change and would not have survived. While it technically could be - most morphs are found in the wild FIRST and then brought into captivity so it's entirely possible for her to have been wild born.
@@whitneyk3708 Florida is actually a good example, since the python problem cannot be solved by just relocating the snakes to places in the world where Burms are endangered due to them having different disease resistances and immune systems. Burmese Pythons, if you're not aware, are not the same as Hognoses. Different species of snake have different resistances and are prone to different diseases.
I got my first snake today, a baby caramel cornsnake! Took years of persuading my parents not allowing me and then my boyfriend being terrified. I got him a leopard gecko last year called nova who he adores. He finally faced his fears and we brought home ravioli today, so proud of him for facing his fears to make me happy!!
Considering some off these normals had outlines like Jeffina 2 that's something you should remember to record for future babies of her and her siblings if that is indeed something she has even as a line breed trait!
A lot of people have mentioned that Jeffina might have been an escaped pet and that her albinism genes could be completely the same as the one already in breeding with nothing special about them, but I also wanted to mention that if they are wrong, breeding some of these babies together will not give you a pure Jeffina albino, as you called it. If you breed two non albino siblings of Jeffina II together, they would both have their albinism gene from their mother, Jeffina, but Jeffina II has one from her mother and one completely regular albinism gene from her father. So her children have 50/50 chance of having the albino gene from Jeffina or the one from Lumpy. Also, you did prove that Jeffinas albinism was recessive, so she too must have had two albino genes, therefore there is not one specific Jeffina albino gene, there might be two, or none I guess, who knows.
Glad all the babies are healthy! I’ve never owned a snake, so I’m still trying to understand genetics, but I think I understand 😂 Hopefully Jeffina the Second really does have a completely new strain of albinism and can have some new albino babies in the future
That explains why a few years ago they wanted to reach out to Lumpys owner to find out about his genetics. Always drove me nuts why that was. I was actually counting down the pay cheques until I could justify a patron to see if they got told and we didn't lol.
Really? And why was it so hard to breed him to another albino female to prove his genetics but they waited for so many years? It’s not like they don’t have other albino females, lol 😂
Not meaning to rain on your parade... but is it not possible the original Jeffina (who was caught in the wild) was an escaped or released pet hognose? I mean I know albinism occurs naturally in the wild - and it's possible she was a wild snake... but can you fully exclude the alternative (that she was a released pet)?
That I don't know. I have heard of albino animals living out in the wild, which is rare because they don't survive for very long. But it might be possible. Or, like I have seen what other people are saying is that she might have been a pet and someone didn't want her. And instead of sending the original Jeffina to a new home, they decided to dump her out into the wild, which is very sad.
It makes me wonder if the original Jeffina was bred in captivity (originally someone's pet), or if she was produced in the wild by a couple of albino/het albino parents that were captive bred and escaped or were released by inexperienced pet owners or whatnot. So- I'm not entirely certain that I'd call her albinism a "new strain" without some proper genetics testing, personally. I think it's worth talking about at some point, too.
Maybe ask the person who found Jeffina instead of the people who collaborated with him, thus not creating the insinuation that their friend lied to them.
To all the people theorizing that the og was a released pet, while it is a possibility, ALL morphs have a wild ancestor. Snakes sometimes are better equipped to survive vs something like an albino moose. Snakes are small(ish) and are able to hide much better than a lot of things. Hognoses are even a burrowing species so it makes sense one would be able to make it to adulthood. Let’s not all jump to conclusions as it’s more likely this is a new strain of hognose genetics. Which even if not a new morph, still helps with genetic diversity
How is is more likely that a hognose lived to apparently very old adulthood than someone just dumping their very old pet? Or that it escaped? Or that someone bought it from the breeder nd released it into the wild thinking they were doing something good? You could be right but I want to know where you get "more likely" from.
@@MewGirlZ Exactly, it's not "more likely" at all that a wild albino lived for that long compared to a pet being dumped and found by someone else a few weeks later.
I would say it's more likely that the person who said they caught a wild albino lied. That the snake was never wild at all...and they just said it was...for the fame. If it was me the first thing I would have done was DNA testing to see if it's bloodlines matched the bloodlines of pet albinos.
Biomedical researcher here. Even if Jeffina was a wild hognose (and not an escaped pet), how can you be sure her albinism is actually a "new strain"? You would have to actually drill down to her DNA to know that, and compare her mutation to whatever mutations already exist in the albino snake trade. It is always possible that her mutation is actually the same as one that is already known. It COULD be new, but you need to sequence the DNA to find out for sure. Either way, I suppose she would still provide "new blood" for captive albinos since you don't know what else is the same or different about her compared to existing albinos.
They will sell those babies for more plus they will make a "name" for creating a new strain of albinism. What you say is what should be done but breeder will pay money to do so expensive DNA tests, lol
Omg....I have been waiting forever for the hognose babies. Super cute! I really like the one with perfect spots down the spine.. I know you had a lavender clutch. I wanna see them.!!!😊
Do we know that Jeffina was not just a pet left in the wild? You should try breeding Jeffina II to one of her albino brothers to see if there are differences in the colors/expression of their offspring since Jeffina II technically has one "wild albino allele" from Jeffina and one "captive albino allele" from Lumpy. This also means that if the babies pictured in this video are 50% het albino they could have either allele and are not guaranteed to be het "wild albino".
I second this, especially considering they shouldnt be too inbred yet, a clutch of F1 albino x F1 albino would be VERY interesting (if they kept all of them it doesnt HAVE to be Jeffina II if they prefer to breed her with Lumpy next year again).
I also wonder if there is a possible for unusual percentages of visible albinos if the natural coloured Jeffina siblings interbreed. In a regular ol 1 Gene albinism there should be 25% of albinos, but what if there is more than one gene at play here? Sometimes I wish they would deep dive more into the genetics, not just the mendelian aspects they allready do, but full blown sequencing - that being said I know thats just me being hyper nerdy about molecular genetics and it would be EXPENSIVE af (a good opportunity to collab with a uni or those sexing-via-genetic testing people mayhaps?)
@@lagggoat7170 This is a genius idea for a collaboration and it would be so educational especially for those who are in the older demographics of their viewership.
You can kinda just tell Different behaviors and sometimes they have a look to them and you can tell that they’ve been bred in captivity Like a more pointy nose is common bread and captivity Their snake experts I’m sure they would know
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I know you found jaffina originally in the wild, but how do you guys know it was a completely wild albino compared to an albino that was somebody's escaped pet? I am genuinely curious
my thoughts exactly
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That's a good question! I was wondering that!
My guess is they don't know fully for sure, but there is a good chance its true.
@@abigailross1890 but that would not make a lot of sense, don't you think? they're experienced breeders and they didn't even address the issue in the video. It looks like they were so taken by the possibility the didn't even consider it. my guess, but idk
The very light almost Caramel male snake is stunning. I would love to see him kept and bred to see if he is a just within normal range variation as his colour is so striking.
I want to know if that gorgeous caramel and ringed spots is related to special new Jeffina genes
Imagine being born and the first thing u hear is Emily telling you that you're beautiful and adorable 🥰
Right! Every baby deserves to come into the world with that level of joy and enthusiasm.
Imagine being born and the first thing u hear is Ed telling you about snake eggs being full of veins and blood and stuff
@@TaschenschieberHeh taht would be funny! I might die at birth if laughter !
Yeah❤
@@Chaotic_Pixieexcept for baby spider, cockroach and other nasty stuff.
I feel that it would be noteworthy that half of Jeffina 2’s offspring would actually be het for the ‘normal’ albino allele as she would only have 1 copy of the ‘new’ allele and the other would be from Lumpy which is the normal albino allele so therefore as she’s passing her genes on only half the offspring would be of that unique allele
@@PondScummer No, they proved her albino mutation is allelic with the one already present in the hobby. It might not be the same mutation. Genes consist of a start codon followed by a bunch of codes for proteins building an enzyme and then a stop codon, and after the stop codon everything is ignored until the next start codon for the next gene. Albinism is usually a nonsense mutation, which refers to a mutation where part of the gene changed to be a stop codon that cuts the enzyme off early (in contrast to a missense mutation, where a codon changed to code for a different protein instead). But it's entirely possible that Jeffina's albinism allele has the stop codon at a different spot than the most common allele in the hobby (or that Jeffina had two different albinism alleles herself). Sometimes these differences can have subtle effects on phenotype, for example maybe one allele drastically reduces melanin and the other completely eliminates it, so a homozygote for the one allele would be slightly darker than a homozygote for the other allele. The only way to know for sure if it's the same mutation or a different mutation on the same allele would be genetic testing.
No, they've failed to prove anything here. If the new albinism is dominant and Lumpy really was wildtype (the original assumption), Jeffina II is het-albino and can just so happen to not pass down either gene in any clutch. They now need to demonstrate that either Lumpy is actually het-albino by pairing him with albino females or that the new babies are het-albino by pairing with other albinos. The assumption that Lumpy is het-albino should have been tested in tandem with this clutch, so the test is still incomplete even if they're probably right.
Nope aside what the other commenters stated when a snake with a recessive gene reproduces all offspring gain that gene. Saying normal is W and albino is w the mother would be ww meaning her albinism is expressed. If she was Ww than only 50% would carry her genes as she would be heterozygous.
I think what we are seeing in this clutch is different expressions of the new albino gene. I'm still thinking that this gene could be an epic morph if proven as a codom ypu get interesting colors/patterns and in its homozygous expression or as a super it expresses as albino? We can't know right now, but I think time will tell. Every one of those babies has potential to change the hobby though as far as hognoses go.
I think Emily was excited about the genetic variation in general, which will help the albinos from being too inbred.
@@danieldonnert3747 that is not how hets or dominant genes work.
I think it's worth noting that this second generation isn't necessarily guaranteed to have Jeffina's albino allele since you proved that it wasn't dominant. Jeffina 2 could have passed either the "new" albino allele or the established albino allele to her children. Pairing two of these babies could actually result in an albino from 2 of the established albino alleles. However, if Jeffina was truly wild, the offspring would benefit generally from the influx of new genes, regardless of whether they had the "new" albino allele or not.
They were only trying to prove whether or not it was a dominant gene. There’s no known dominant gene for albinism, the genes that produce every form of true albinism are an autosomal recessive inheritance. Lumpy was not supposed to be het albino, so the original pairing - Jeffina & Lumpy - shouldn’t have produced any albino offspring, but it did. So, either Jeffina carried the world’s first & only known dominant gene for albinism, and was capable of passing it to her offspring by herself, with only 1 parent carrying the gene, or Lumpy was actually het albino. In the end, Lumpy’s het albino, and there’s still no such thing as a dominant allele for albinism. That’s what they were trying to confirm, and they did.
Right! Jeffina2 was albino because she got one new albino allele from Mom Jeffina and one old albino allele from Dad now known to be a het for the old allele. So her babies in this group could have gotten either an old or a new albino allele.
@@DrAnderson1 yes mate, they proved it wasn't dominant albinism, however multiple times during the video they said they were making babies with the het for the new gene albinism. Which to the point, is only a 50% chance.
Which allele doesn't really matter I don't think. The point is that they're a new bloodline and thus far less inbred
@@APerson863 The issue is that this is NOT proven.
Even if it is a new bloodline, it's still only the exact same as outcrossing with a wild hog if the albino gene thats passed on is the one that was from the already established albino line.
Additionally its more than possible this random albino was an abandoned one that was a pet potentially or just an escapee. There is no proof at this point I believe other than trusting the person who found it that it was indeed wild born.
There are so so so many different ways what they are presenting as fact is flawed. It's very frustrating.
Curious: How do you know that "Jeffina" wasn't a pet that had been released into the wild?
Yes, I guess that too…
I was wondering that too. 🤔
I'm also very curious
A pet hognose would be killed really quick in the wild.
@@Somedude20282 iit could have been a newly realieased/escaped one. An adult wild albino is also a pretty low probability to be found :/
How can you be certain that Jeffina was not a released pet? It would explain how she survived to adulthood, and it is unfortunately maybe even more reasonable to think someone would release a pet into the wild than that an albino would survive the wild into adulthood. In that case, it's the same albinism that's already in the pet trade. Is there any way to know for sure that it's a new bloodline?
Genetic testing I guess. I hope they did/will do a genetic test but forgot to mention it since they seemed so sure Jeffina was a wild albino compared to that axanthic looking bullsnake.
@@theilluminati682 They did do a video at a genetic testing lab last year, it was really interesting. It'd be cool if it turned out that they went there for this reason and they did a follow up video on their morph testing research.
If there had not been wild born albinos as well as other morphs that survived into adulthood and reproduced successfully we wouldn't have the genes in captive bred animals to be able to reproduce them. Albino animals are capable of avoiding predation you only have to look at the general anal kingdom to see that
I’m confused why they took a snake out of the wild when they preach for people to not to do that?
@@TripleSix-jp8om it's that they tell people not to because it could be a deadly snake and their is a difference between legally taking one and just scooping one from the wild
I used to think hognose snakes were so ugly. Now they are one of my favourite species. They look so cute
I love their cute little noses 🥰 or their top lip idk but it’s cute and they’re actresses/ actors
same for me. The way they play dead was incredibly repulsive for me, it used to actually give me nightmares lol and now I kinda want one
Yeah I have a vague memory of thinking hognose was a dumb name for a snake. Lol 😂 Now I have 13!!! Lol 😂
I honestly always loved them, their noses are just so cute!
Hogs helped me not be as scared of snakes in general
I love the light caramel-colored baby. He is so pretty! I would love to see an update on this clutch after they shed a few times and have started eating well. Just to see if the colors get brighter or darker.
How is it you guys were able to verify Jeffina the first wasn't just a pet snake that was released into the wild? Is there genetic testing that can be done that verifies that her strain is a new bloodline? (Not to be a downer, just genuine curiosity)
I had the exact same thought. Made the same comment too.
I would like to know as well
I would be interested in that as well!
Was my first thought as well
Also she was Conda aswell, sicne Lumpy isn't, but Jeffina II is. How likely is it, that an Albino/Conda just spawned in the wild?
Thank you for convincing my parents to get me a leopard gecko 😊 I’ve been watching for a while and love him so much
Awee I bet he is so happy do be with you
Um
These babies are adorable. Just have to correct the genetic math a bit. Jeffina 2 will have one cooy of the albanism allele from Lumpy and one from Jeffina. So half her babies will carry the new albanism allele and half will carry what Lumpy gave Jeffina 2. If y'all want to create a sure line of Jeffina's albanism you would need to pair up 2 of Jeffina 2's normal appearing siblings, since they will have both only gotten an albanism allele from Jeffina. The albinos from that pairing would be completely new in all their albino alleles, just like Jeffina
It's late, but I'm commenting to promote this
Emily telling Jeffina 2 “Those are your babies. Those are your little bacon bits down there” was adorable. 🥹🥹 19:15
Bacon Bit (BB for short) is a great name for a snake.
Confirming that Jeffina was a wild albino and not an escaped pet is pretty easy to do. They could just genetically test one of her offspring and compare it to any other captive bred albino. My guess is that they probably already did this with her since she was such a large breeding project between multiple experienced breeders. I know Rare Genetics is a company that does this. They have genetically tested reptiles before so it isn't something they're unknown to do.
I feel like if they had done genetic testing they would have said so. It really looks like they were just trying to prove it out by breeding and are assuming Jeffina I was wild. I think they should test the genes and compare them just to be sure. A new strain would really be a big deal!
@@MewGirlZI feel like they might have wanted to check the dominance first since that would show up immediately as a unique gene. If they haven't done the test yet, I imagine they will do so in the future if the cost makes sense for them.
@@MewGirlZ If they haven't they most likely will. I just feel like spending 5 years on someones escaped pet would be a waste of time. They most likely already thought of that and since it was another breeder along with them working on this I would assume, as experienced breeders, they would have already taken the necessary precautions to prove that she was wild caught before they spent years on this breeding project.
I don't know why they thought that an albino gene could be dominant. It's not dominant in any other living thing on the earth....@@Kiterpuss
They mentioned the albino gene being on the same allele and thus would've been able to combine. No idea how you determine that's not the same
re: Jeffina possibly being a released pet
Even captive-bred hognoses are notoriously picky eaters and mice aren't their most natural prey. So getting a wild-caught adult to take frozen thawed mice must be exceptionally hard if not impossible. So my question is, did Jeffina take frozen thawed mice with relatively little fuss? Because if she did, I'd say that all but confirms she was captive-bred and released/escaped into the wild
Love hearing how excited Emily gets about genetics! Beautiful babies. 🥰 "Those are your little bacon bits down there." 😂
I just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me!! I followed you for years and today I got my first ever reptile. A teeny tiny Axhantic Hognose snake female. She's thinner than my pinkie!
I love her so much already! So thank you guys!
Aww, that sounds adorable. Do you have a name picked out yet?
@@grutarg2938 Yes. Her name is "SuSu Snek -my last name-"
Or SuSu
Or Baby
Just as our cats full name is "Abby Meow -My last name-"xD
Baby hogs are the cutest ever ❤😊
9:50 your excitement explaining all of this is so contagious. I was hanging onto every word. Near the end it literally looked like you were about to combust with emotion/excitement. I love seeing that!
These egg hatching videos are so satisfying. It’s like opening gachapon capsules, or trying to hatch that illusive shiny Pokémon.
the released pet theory NEEDS to be addressed. i’m so invested in this bloodline now
Could Jeffina have retained sperm from a previous breeding session to produce those albinos? There's still a chance that Lumpy is not het albino...
But this is a super cool experiment, and I loved hearing about the story!!!
Thank you for working so hard to strengthen and preserve the genetics! Inbreeding is one of the biggest problems we face with a lot of pets. You all rock!!
Those grey and caramel ones are the best. Hopefully that's a trait that can be passed down to offspring one way or the other. It's really nice!
Jeffina must have been a quick albino, lived her whole life in the wild, and was probably slowing down in her old age, and got caught. Thank goodness too, because you got some good new blood in the trade.
I've been watching and doing research for awhile about Hognoses. I have actually convinced my wife that they are adorable and she wants to get me one in the near future. I'm so excited that I could convince her they really are adorable and unique little beans! The baby videos make me SO excited!
i actually LOVE when you talk genetics! it’s super interesting☺️🩷
I love the hatching videos so much, but this one might be my fave.
Your enthusiasm and care for the health of the snakes is so evident, and so wonderful to see. Taking care of bloodlines to avoid developing deformities and illnesses that will only mean the snakes will suffer is so key. Thank you for all you do. ❤
Haven't watched in years but when this popped up I literally yelped. Got so excited when you mentioned Beuler.
It's insanely cool that you're able to strengthen the gene pool for albinism with these babies! I know it would've been exciting to discover a dominant albinism strain, but I almost find this more exciting. Knowing that it will benefit so many future hoggies is just fantastic 💚
Im sure its probably a pain and tiring but i love that every videos you both make sure to let people watching know the blood is normal and not cutting the snake! ❤
That’s maybe one of the prettiest clutch of normals that you guys have produced!!
I think you explained everything about the parents perfectly. I do not keep snakes as a hobby, and I understood everything you said. You are an excellent teacher. I thought all of the snakes were beautiful but the one with the white spots was exceptionally beautiful. Congratulations.
Is there not a likelihood that the original wild female was either escaped/released or descended from a domestic albino hogenose?
Glad someone else had the same thought. Given how hard it is for albino animals to live in the wild regardless, it makes more sense to me that the original Jeffina mentioned in this video was someone's castoff when they realized they didn't want to have her for whatever reason. Which is disgusting, captive-bred animals don't always do well in the wild.
Had the same thought tbh
I thought the same. I think there is a company that does reptile genetic testing. Maybe it would be worth looking into it if it's not too expensive
Im wondering the same thing maybe there's a genetic test they can do to be sure?
@rowenla I definitely think the test would be worth it for the chance to improve genetic diversity in the hobby.
how do we know that the wild albino wasn't a pet that was released into the wild or escaped?
I know its not impossible for the gene to randomly crop up in the wild (it happens; probably wouldn't have albino in captivity if it _couldn't_ be found in the wild), but I also know that snakes can get out pretty easily. Probably the best way to prove it would be to do a genetic comparison between the captive albinos and these ones, but I don't know if anyone has actually gone to the effort of sequencing hognose dna.
This would be cool if SD would be open to reaching the channels to do so!
Congratulations on the adorable new babies!!
As someone with a master's degree with a lot of genetics, I was squirming every time they kept repeating that all of them would have the new allele because typically they don't make that mistake. Only 50% of the babies would, since Jeffina II would carry only 1 allele from her mother Jeffina and 1 allele from Lumpy, who would have the traditional albino gene. Assuming Jeffina was truly a wild, homogeneous allelic albino, and not an escaped pet. If Jeffina carried a heterogeneous allele pair, one of the new and one of the known traditional, the likelihood of passing down the new allele becomes even slimmer. And that in turn raises the question, if Jeffina was heterozygote for the albino allele, did she only pass down the working, established albino allele in her phenotypical albino offspring? And the other allele is masked or non-functional? Super interesting and unknowable until further clutches are had, and whether there is a response explaining Jeffina's origins in more detail.
Congrats on the new babys 🎉 !!!!
The name "Hognose" suits the snakes so well I love it!
19:53 My favourite is probably the high-expression Conda, but I just think it's crazy how different they all are! Especially the colouration differences, I wonder if there's anything genetic going on with that?
I think everyone forgets that all basic morphs originated from wild caught specimens.
Plus the possibility of finding a new strain of albino that passed on the albino trait with only one parent carrying the gene would be pretty amazing. But they do have a new albino bloodline which is good for captive bloodlines congrats to them.
You guys are right, these babies are all so unique! I wonder if it has to do with mom's unique genetic background too. After all, healthy wild specimens are supposed to have way more genetic diversity than captive bred individuals.
The ❤ baby is so cool!
If you got albino babies from the wild albino to the already established strain of albinos. (Which was your het, Lumpy) that means your first clutch of albinos each have a copy of both strains of albinism. So this clutch here, you can't tell which strain you have... the only way to have the new strain of albinism would be to breed two hets from the very first clutch together. If that makes sense.
Yes, but a lot of the benefit of a new strain of albinism is actually not related to the albinism itself. The thing is that in order to get visuals of recessive morphs, you usually need to breed related animals together, which also results in homozygosity of other genes, some of which can cause health issues. So assuming Jeffina was actually a wild snake and not an escaped pet, she would not be closely related to captive albinos and therefore less likely to share other undesired recessives with them.
@@ettinakitten5047but that still won't bring anything special. You'd have the same benefits if you breed a normal unrelated wild hognose to an albino. The babys will be just as related and unrelated to the rest as Jeffina2s babys are.
I will never get enough of watching just how excited Ed and Emily get over babies. Also I wild die for lil' Leech
I love baby season, always something cool to look forward to!!
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Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me a better appreciation for/understanding of snakes. When I got home a few minutes ago a little snake had gotten into my house. Instead of killing it, like my family always has in the past, I just picked him up and set him back outside. So, thanks from me and from lil snek friend!
Wow!! This is so exciting!!! Thank you for explaining your project, Emily. I am so thrilled for you and Ed, and all of the Jeffina Jr.’s! ❤❤❤❤
Fun fact: dominant albino genes are extremely rare, as in I cannot think of a single example.
If you think of the parts of a cell as little factories, albinism is usually a problem in the factory that makes melanin. Now in a het snake, half of the factories are not working properly, but the other half are. The half that are working make melanin just fine, and in most animals these factories just put in a little over time to make up for the ones that don't work. This results in het babies looking normal. Now to have an dominant albino gene, you need something wrong with all of the factories in a het snake. This is usually due to the broken factories accidently making or doing something that stops all of the other factories from working too. As you can imagine, that is super unlikely so that's why a dominant albino gene would be super exciting.
This snake MUST be genetically tested against the pet industry albino before it is declared a new strain. It would be irresponsible not to.
Flat heart baby 'Leech' is my favorite .. her flipped looking up at you was so funny
To those think it was likely a released captive snake - most snakes that have been raised in captivity aren't used to the bacteria/viruses in the wild or stress of the change and would not have survived. While it technically could be - most morphs are found in the wild FIRST and then brought into captivity so it's entirely possible for her to have been wild born.
Tell that to Florida.
@@whitneyk3708 Florida is actually a good example, since the python problem cannot be solved by just relocating the snakes to places in the world where Burms are endangered due to them having different disease resistances and immune systems. Burmese Pythons, if you're not aware, are not the same as Hognoses. Different species of snake have different resistances and are prone to different diseases.
i used to hate snacks but now that i watch ur vids i think im in love with them
Thank you both for always explaining the procedure when checking new babbies, it keeps both the good natured and foul intended from misinterpretation.
I got my first snake today, a baby caramel cornsnake! Took years of persuading my parents not allowing me and then my boyfriend being terrified. I got him a leopard gecko last year called nova who he adores. He finally faced his fears and we brought home ravioli today, so proud of him for facing his fears to make me happy!!
I loved the part where Emily goes *look at all the spots , dududududud* super cute!
Emily just found you on Friday. I hate snakes but I have never held one. You r changing my mind. Thank u
Considering some off these normals had outlines like Jeffina 2 that's something you should remember to record for future babies of her and her siblings if that is indeed something she has even as a line breed trait!
I love the extreme enthusiasm and love you guys have for every one of these hatchings.
A lot of people have mentioned that Jeffina might have been an escaped pet and that her albinism genes could be completely the same as the one already in breeding with nothing special about them, but I also wanted to mention that if they are wrong, breeding some of these babies together will not give you a pure Jeffina albino, as you called it. If you breed two non albino siblings of Jeffina II together, they would both have their albinism gene from their mother, Jeffina, but Jeffina II has one from her mother and one completely regular albinism gene from her father. So her children have 50/50 chance of having the albino gene from Jeffina or the one from Lumpy. Also, you did prove that Jeffinas albinism was recessive, so she too must have had two albino genes, therefore there is not one specific Jeffina albino gene, there might be two, or none I guess, who knows.
Oh my God I love the sassiness of hognose snakes, the babies are drama queens and they are adorable.
i love how the second Lumpy sees his kid & gets a chance, hes like *oh crud, ive not been paying child support* & tries to scram xD
Glad all the babies are healthy! I’ve never owned a snake, so I’m still trying to understand genetics, but I think I understand 😂 Hopefully Jeffina the Second really does have a completely new strain of albinism and can have some new albino babies in the future
That explains why a few years ago they wanted to reach out to Lumpys owner to find out about his genetics. Always drove me nuts why that was. I was actually counting down the pay cheques until I could justify a patron to see if they got told and we didn't lol.
Really? And why was it so hard to breed him to another albino female to prove his genetics but they waited for so many years? It’s not like they don’t have other albino females, lol 😂
Not meaning to rain on your parade... but is it not possible the original Jeffina (who was caught in the wild) was an escaped or released pet hognose? I mean I know albinism occurs naturally in the wild - and it's possible she was a wild snake... but can you fully exclude the alternative (that she was a released pet)?
Leech and her love hearts is adorable 💕
BABY SNAKESSSS ❤❤❤
That one baby has to have something going on genetically to have that coloration! Really hope you guys keep him because he is SO pretty!
How do you know that Jeffina was an actual wild albino hognose and not a pet that was released or escaped?
That I don't know. I have heard of albino animals living out in the wild, which is rare because they don't survive for very long. But it might be possible. Or, like I have seen what other people are saying is that she might have been a pet and someone didn't want her. And instead of sending the original Jeffina to a new home, they decided to dump her out into the wild, which is very sad.
They can’t
6:09 he looks like he put all of his pigmentation into his spots! 🥰
It makes me wonder if the original Jeffina was bred in captivity (originally someone's pet), or if she was produced in the wild by a couple of albino/het albino parents that were captive bred and escaped or were released by inexperienced pet owners or whatnot. So- I'm not entirely certain that I'd call her albinism a "new strain" without some proper genetics testing, personally. I think it's worth talking about at some point, too.
I love the genetics talk, no need to apologise for that it's one of the most interesting parts of the breeding videos.
Isn't it more likely that the original Jeffina was a released (or escaped) pet?
Maybe ask the person who found Jeffina instead of the people who collaborated with him, thus not creating the insinuation that their friend lied to them.
@@loorthedarkelf8353 That was certainly not my intention. How would he know if the snake was a random mutation or an escapee?
Absolutely keep Leech! What a beautiful little flat noodle!
To all the people theorizing that the og was a released pet, while it is a possibility, ALL morphs have a wild ancestor. Snakes sometimes are better equipped to survive vs something like an albino moose. Snakes are small(ish) and are able to hide much better than a lot of things. Hognoses are even a burrowing species so it makes sense one would be able to make it to adulthood. Let’s not all jump to conclusions as it’s more likely this is a new strain of hognose genetics. Which even if not a new morph, still helps with genetic diversity
How is is more likely that a hognose lived to apparently very old adulthood than someone just dumping their very old pet? Or that it escaped? Or that someone bought it from the breeder nd released it into the wild thinking they were doing something good?
You could be right but I want to know where you get "more likely" from.
@@MewGirlZ Exactly, it's not "more likely" at all that a wild albino lived for that long compared to a pet being dumped and found by someone else a few weeks later.
I disagree I would find it extremely more likely that it’s an escaped or abandoned pet
I would say it's more likely that the person who said they caught a wild albino lied. That the snake was never wild at all...and they just said it was...for the fame. If it was me the first thing I would have done was DNA testing to see if it's bloodlines matched the bloodlines of pet albinos.
I’m so excited I love baby hatching videos
I just discovered you guys and love all the babies AND the genetics talk! Keep it coming!
You guys should look into molinaro snake lab's set up for incubation, he seems to have less cases of moulding over ❤
I noticed at the very end, on the last tongue flick, her white tongue tips! So cute!
My snake died today. He was three months old and I’m heartbroken, I’m so glad I had you guys to watch :) his name was Firnen…:(
im sorry
I think the super with the really reduced patterns was adorable! I know they will all find good homes.
i absolutley love this
Angry Leech is definitely my favorite! I love when hognoses are acting dramatic
Biomedical researcher here. Even if Jeffina was a wild hognose (and not an escaped pet), how can you be sure her albinism is actually a "new strain"? You would have to actually drill down to her DNA to know that, and compare her mutation to whatever mutations already exist in the albino snake trade. It is always possible that her mutation is actually the same as one that is already known. It COULD be new, but you need to sequence the DNA to find out for sure. Either way, I suppose she would still provide "new blood" for captive albinos since you don't know what else is the same or different about her compared to existing albinos.
This definitely should have been tested before announcing it so publicly.
They will sell those babies for more plus they will make a "name" for creating a new strain of albinism. What you say is what should be done but breeder will pay money to do so expensive DNA tests, lol
Omg....I have been waiting forever for the hognose babies. Super cute! I really like the one with perfect spots down the spine.. I know you had a lavender clutch. I wanna see them.!!!😊
YAY BABY SNAKES 🐍 ❤
There so cute and adorable
*boops*
I love the normal with Leech. Such a gorgeous, almost caramel orange on camera.
Love you guys! Thanks for working soo hard to make videos for us . Congrats on the little ones!🐍
Really exciting news Emily & Ed! That's so awesome!
Congrats on the new baby noodles!
I love the busy pattern normal, I don't know why but that baby is just soo cute
Do we know that Jeffina was not just a pet left in the wild? You should try breeding Jeffina II to one of her albino brothers to see if there are differences in the colors/expression of their offspring since Jeffina II technically has one "wild albino allele" from Jeffina and one "captive albino allele" from Lumpy. This also means that if the babies pictured in this video are 50% het albino they could have either allele and are not guaranteed to be het "wild albino".
I second this, especially considering they shouldnt be too inbred yet, a clutch of F1 albino x F1 albino would be VERY interesting (if they kept all of them it doesnt HAVE to be Jeffina II if they prefer to breed her with Lumpy next year again).
I also wonder if there is a possible for unusual percentages of visible albinos if the natural coloured Jeffina siblings interbreed. In a regular ol 1 Gene albinism there should be 25% of albinos, but what if there is more than one gene at play here?
Sometimes I wish they would deep dive more into the genetics, not just the mendelian aspects they allready do, but full blown sequencing - that being said I know thats just me being hyper nerdy about molecular genetics and it would be EXPENSIVE af (a good opportunity to collab with a uni or those sexing-via-genetic testing people mayhaps?)
@@lagggoat7170 This is a genius idea for a collaboration and it would be so educational especially for those who are in the older demographics of their viewership.
You can kinda just tell
Different behaviors and sometimes they have a look to them and you can tell that they’ve been bred in captivity
Like a more pointy nose is common bread and captivity
Their snake experts I’m sure they would know
Your enthusiasm for the work you do never ceases to amaze me keep up the good work
How do you not know that someone released the albino hognose or that it accidentally escaped?
Thanks for sharing the story! Id love to see you keep the one thats so caramel looking and cross is back! 🧡
Could Jeffina have been a captive bred released/escaped into the wild?
Omg, yes I been wondering about Lumpy genetics for so long. Glad this confirms it!!
Comgrats on 3mil!
That super conda expressing one is definitely my favorite, just a super lovely pattern and color!
Finding a dominant albino gene would be crazy though! Total see the concern with crashing the market, but think of all the pretty babies 😂
Fun fact, the # symbol is _also_ called an octothorpe!
Super excited for the new hoggie babies, eeeeeeeeeeeeee!