Michelle Troconis criminal trial | Day 19 morning
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Pawel Gumienny, a former employee of Fotis Dulos, continues testimony in the Michelle Troconis criminal trial.
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This is a good man who was taken advantage of by Fotis Dulos. Dulos underestimated him tho and didn’t realize this guy was onto him and didn’t fall for his lies. He was totally being set up for this crime. Good for him for not blindly believing and falling for the criminal acts of Dulos.
The way I am understanding this situation as him being granted immunity is on the fact that he did not tell the investigators about his involvement with removing the seats, and the things that Fotis was telling him to do with the seats and things he heard at times MT say about Jennifer, and again at that time all of this happened he said he wasn’t sure what to think, and he didn’t think Fotis was that kind of person to harm Jennifer and that the things MT said he thought was just out of anger and or trying to make Fotis feel better!!! But in hindsight he didn’t realize that 5 years later he would be having to testify in court!!! So I do believe that he’s telling the truth and I don’t think that his green card was an issue until Fotis made him believe that!!!
Very credible. Agree with all you said!
That's an accurate assessment.
Something worse than his green card was actually at stake here, his freedom! He was literally threatened by police to be charged with hindering a murder investigation if he didn't produce information against Fotis and Michelle....so there is that.
I agree he is telling the truth, but the real issue here is the fact he was offered immunity from being charged of hindering a murder investigation (way worse than losing your green card btw) if he produced information to tie MT and FD to the crime.
Fair enough he had a lot of information about Fotis, most importantly the camera conversation which happened over a month before the disappearance. (Btw we still don't know why if Pawel says he never thought Fotis would do something like this to Jennifer, then why did he tell him not to do "something stupid in the camera conversation"?)
Alas for Michelle, for the life of him he only had two comments made in anger in two situations where she believed Jennifer was hurting the people she loved...incidentaly one of those comments was actually consistent wih her ONE consistent statement from day one: she believed Jennifer was hiding and torturing them.
And Pawel said today he actually believed the same thing.... so did everyone around Fotis apparently.
So I think the case against Fotis is looking great for the prosecution but he one against Michelle, so far....not at all. I don't know who would leave another kid without their mother over the evidence that has been presented, if a were a juror I wouldn't feel confident yet...
Also when my best friend was cheated on by her husband "I cheered" her up saying maybe he would fall off a cliff when he went climbing with his mistress"...so yeah, we ALL say, think pretty stupid stuff when our loved ones are hurt. Anyone who has never done that, raise your hand.
Exactly 💯
This is such a truly really good strong working man. I wish him & his wife & family all good things in all good ways!
Joan & Dennis from NY
@joanwiczmarkie This Pawel hard working man doesnt show an ounce of guilt,because he knows now that Fotus tried to frame him for the murder of Jennifer, pure evil thing to do to anyone,so Fotus took his own life bc he knew he was guilty and didnt want to spent the rest of his life in jail..its very sad all around for everyone involved,..this man is telling the truth i believe him....
We should set up go found me for him so he has money for all the lawyers.
@@teresapren3266is in hisN
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The defense attorney was very condescending towards the witness when he assumed he was working 'under the table' rather than a 1099
The defensive lawyer sounds agitated, acting aggressively and impatience! Unprofessional!
Oh my gosh when he was on the stand yesterday he was asked questions that set up the story clearly. But today with cross the questions are such a waste of time and nothing to do with this case. like Legally Blonde. I can’t believe this defence lawyer gets paid for this, I wish I had his job. “So when you walked into the house there was a plant to the left - CORRECT???? And there was sometimes parties at the house- CORRECT?????? And you know Fotis was a water skier, a champion water skier- CORRECT??? And the pond has jumping ramps CORRECT? “ oh dear 🙄
Correct 😂
He's trying to impeach the witness 🙄
I do like this witness he’s just caught up in all this drama 🎭
I agree! His reactions are normal and he did the right thing and told the police what he suspects. The state prosecutors had video and DNA and blood evidence, but Pavel’s testimony gave insight on both Dulos and MT’s behavior on those days.
She is guilty of being involved she hated Jennifer I think 💭
This poor man looks defeated and full of anxiety,. 💔😢
He had no motive to harm “Jen” but Michelle sure did & helping Dulos sure cemented their relationship.
No one thinks he did, I actually doubt he believes Michelle had anythig to do with it even when he squeezed only two solitary comments made in anger to secure his immunity deal.
If there is one person who was in the exact same position as Michelle without a clue of what was happening is him.
He got rid of evidence and Michelle made up an alibi for Fotis because they never thought he could do something like this.
Is that your theory. The smoking gun. I’d like to see some proof otherwise this case is ridiculous
@@stevenprice6957it's not ridiculous at all. Michelle needs to be accountable for her part.
@@yogabee2222 And what part is that?
What is the evidence besides chewing gum she put on a sidewalk and paper towel she cleaned a stain with ? Is that it ? That isn’t evidence of murder or being accomplice or hiding evidence after the fact.
It is total joke. There must be an election nearing as the prosecution are way out of line. Also threats to the Mai witness are criminal and shouldn’t be allowed. This is America though and the justice system is about as good as it’s gun laws. Scapegoat is all she is. The killer isn’t around to answer what he did therefor they grab the next best thing. No evidence or proof at all.
@@yogabee2222what part is that ? This is a joke. There must be an election on the horizon for the state and it’s prosecutors. When you find the evidence she did anything then let me know.
The defense lawyer is really annoying with his questions.
he is always fishing
Notice the defense lawyers voice shakes when he’s mad or something doesn’t go his way. Mr Temper 🤯
You’re right!Sometimes he sounds like he’s about to burst into tears 😭
😂
I just made a similar comment on Reddit lol he is very off putting which doesn’t make his client likable ether because you associate her with him because he speaks for her if he’s the best lawyer she could get she must be hard pressed.
temper temper😂
Shouldn’t he have a Polish interpreter? Michelle has a Spanish one. Does Michelle’s entire family have interpreters as they sit and listen to case? IMO non native English speakers can misunderstand the use of language in some cases.
like all of the sudden she doesn't understand English !
Love the judge 👏👏❤️
This fine judge has let everyone know today that this particular counsel is a “WASTE OF TIME”!
He has had years to prepare for this witness and this is what he asks?
I agree!
What made you think Fotis could do "something stupid" with the camera information?
What did you mean by "something stupid"
Was he showing the camera guy actual photos of Jennifer's house?
How many times is your understanding Fotis went to the site in New Cannan in the months prior to the crime?
How did Fotis talked about Jennifer?
When did he first tell you Jennifer was probably hiding?
Why did you start looking for a truck after you realized your truck had probably been used in a crime?
Did it ever cross your mind you were being framed? When and why?
Was saying something that could implicate Michelle part of the immunity agreement?
Would you still get immunity if you didn't come up with something against Michelle?
What was the evidence the police had against you to charge you with hindering or tampering?
Did you ever had any reason to doubt anythig Fotis ever told you?
Did you believe him to regularly lie? Did you ever see him lie?
Did you ever see him lie to Michelle?
Did you ever see Fotis lose his temper with his children or anyone in the house?
Omg so many questions! What a bust!
Are you talking about the Prosecutor or the Defense Attorney.
The prosecutor is hindered by the many many objections this irritating defense attorney is constantly calling just to prevent, exclude, limit key testimony by the witness/ess.
That is why the prosecuting attorney has to be simple and slow as he navigates his questions to establish facts and evidence for the jury to deliberate.
Remember - prosecutors present evidence and testimony for the jury to be convinced without a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty.
The defense lawyer’s role is to poke holes into the witnesses testimonies and to object testimony and evidence that could be sustained.
Remember, TIME WASTER!
He's trying to impeach the witness 🙄
How evil is that they would sit back and watch this hard working man take the fall for their dirty work!!! Unbelievable and then to threaten him with his green light card!
Michelle has never made one single statement blaming Pawel of any wrong doing, not even to save her own skin...she could have asked for immunity to throw him under the bus too...and she didn't.
Fotis on the other side 100% was trying to frame him.
Michele is only worried about Michele. That’s why she did t throw the employee into the bus.
I think she was clueless as to how much Dulos was worth. Probably thought she found a wealthy second husband. Bet she had no idea it was Jennifer who brought $$ into the marriage.
@@fernandaolivares7926 the wrong person is on trial. The person killed himself so they want anyone to take the fall.
@@stevenprice6957you must b a relative..she’s guilty
@@Nashvilletn-dm1pt To go for conspiracy to commit murder without evidence is baffling. There should be a. Appeal. Had she been an American girl she would have at least got the lesser charge. The system is chook lotto.
This defense attorney does not make any sense ! These empty questions !
Defense atty needs help buying and tailoring his suits. They either don't fit right or they look like they're from the 90s. I don't normally judge people on looks or superficial things but that's the main thing we see through this whole trial. Especially with the amount of objections. He almost makes as many objections as Darrell Brooks.
At least he does not have a hippie ponytail like Fotus Dulos lawyer has.😁
Better call Saul 😅
Then don’t judge
I’ve noticed that 🤣
He sort of looks like brooks too
My whole problem with Weather MT knew about what Fotis did to Jennifer is the fact that she lied about what she and Fotis did that day, now being a nieve girlfriend or not, if I had nothing to hide as far as participating in any nefarious activity, I would have told the truth about the day!! About them being in the shower together at 6:45 am, which as not true, giving him an alibi. And she failed to mention anything about being in Hartford dumping garbage bags, which she said she had done before in the past with Fotis just in a different area. So again my question is, if you had absolutely nothing to do with it, why would you lie?? Because either you knew that he did it and you helping him out by withholding the information or you had a hard in it and are lying because you are scared.
I completely agree. I've seen a lot of people say it's possible she didn't know but it wouldn't make sense to me either to lie about so much for no reason. If my married boyfriend wants me to lie about us being together while his wife is murdered I'm already side- eyeing him lmao, add the garbage, alibi scripts and having someone else's truck be professionally cleaned I'm definitely talking to police, rather be safe than sorry.
Or here is a third posibility:
Because you wholeheartedly believed Jennifer was hiding to hurt Fotis and take his children away....
It is the one statement she was consistent with from day one.
Look at Pawel, he said he believed the same thing until a week later he suddenly realized something was wrong and instead of going to the police he started to to look for new trucks... he even told Fotis not to do something stupid over a month before the crime and never warned Jennifer or acted on it. "Maybe the man I know and love is plannig to murder the mother of his kids" is no one's first thought.
Don't get me wrong, I believe Pawel is innocent, but sometimes people do things that in hindsight they truly cannot explain.
They both effed up.
But Pawel was lucky to get immunity and not to suffer from verbal diarrea like Michelle 😮
@@ShayEdle She did give a reason though, many times in fact, and it was probably the ONE consistent statement in all her messy interviews: she believed Jennifer was alive and hiding to torture Fotis and take his kids away.
Some might believe her, some might not, so the hindering and the tampering are a posibility with a big reasonable doubt....but there is ZERO evidence she helped him plan this which is the biggest charge.
But remember she didn't know Michelle was even missing during the bag disposal by the time there was so much evidence that Jennifer was dead she recanted her alibi for Fotis.
Pawel also believed Jennifer was alive until he started suspecting a week later and what did he do? Changed the seats and started looking for a new truck...one never knows how one could react faced with the horrific situation someone you trust is a murderer and you have been played.
Truth
MT dumped forged License Plates of Dulos down a Grid that proves her participating Guilt right there , while Dulos disposed of blood stained clothing belonging to Jennifer ! Did MT think she was helping Dulos escape a Bank Robbery , I doubt it !?
All the objections by Horn, only call attention to why he's objecting, because Horn understands that it might appear bad for his client. If there's nothing there, what's he worrying so much?
The defense attorney 😂
What an ass - No one will hire him after this - He's so unlikable and annoying and rude
The female prosecuting attorney has a cool nerdy way about her. Dig her style!
I don't agree. Well I do agree that there isn't really anything directly connecting her, I do think she knew and helped
Knowing and helping is a connection….
I think her DNA connects her no??
@@yogabee2222it connects her to the bag tahat came from her house not necessarily to what was inside it but most importantly, it doesn't prove she planned it whoch is the bigger charge she is facing.
@@yogabee2222well it connects her to the outside of one of the bags, but the expert said touch dna can be trasnferred and it still doesn't prove in any way she planned it which is her bigger charge.
Pawel and Michelle both hindered the investigation and tampered with evidence, it's people's prerrogative to believe they knew or not, but there has been zero evidence of Michelle planning it.
Putting her in the truck while the bloody bags with Jennifer’s bloody clothes being disposed in trash cans throughout the city makes her know something is amiss! All caught on video… maybe not murder but def helping conceal/destroy/get rid of evidence!!
That photo of the garage with the missing bike sure interested the defense, did you see how long the defense lawyer looked at it? And MT even popped a mint after seeing it.. nervous much?!?!?!
Animal blood? Then why not get to the point in his questions early on instead of beating the damn bush. Horn is most annoying. My goodness, and if it was DNA from a dog, the experts would say so or say it was not human blood.
I would say she is guilty just because her lawyer is pissing me off….just kidding but I would want to lol
good work
This guy was held under Fotus’s control. He don’t have a green card yet & he wouldn’t be able to work if he wasn’t working for Fotus. He had no reason to hurt Jennifer. Michelle definitely did!
I REALLY can NOT stand the defense attorney.
Didn’t the cops threaten him over deportation or is that ok ?
The person on trial here didn’t threaten him so why is this even a discussion. The killer most likely did and we know the prosecution threatened him so what does that tell you.
He actually said he already had a greencard when he wwnt wirk with Fotis... pay attention.
In fact, the only ones who threatened him with jail and deportation were the cops...
@@stevenprice6957I agree, he never said Fotis threatened him, the only ones who threatened him with deportation and jail were the cops.
And here is my problem, he changed those seats even when he was already suspicious his truck was used in a crime and he never warned Jennifer Fotis was surveilling her house (asking if she had cameras etc) even when he thought he could "do something stupid", all to "save his job"...
What wouldn't he do to save his skin from jail and deportation?!
@@fernandaolivares7926 exactly. Amazing how people who watch this trial seem to miss what the cops did.
The whole thing is a joke and there’s always criminals on both sides of the fence. Nothing has shown me that she did anything wrong or proves she knew anything. Prosecutors and politicians forcing an issue for votes might be behind this whole case. Keep the public happy no matter if you falsely accuse someone of the go to prison. It happens in America more than most know. That isn’t the only country that does it either. I would expect more from a so called great country that’s all. She is a scapegoat and we know who this trial is meant for.
@@fernandaolivares7926but he did. He said Fotis told him not to talk to police because they would lie to him and they could take his green card or something to that effect.
Yeeez the 100 questions about the the power line trail, if he parked in the right or the left or if there was a gate or if the gravel was big or small or where was the cliff...what was the point?!
Maybe trying to find the spot the body might be?
I can’t believe the defense didn’t get on the bus of “let’s all discredit fotus and make him look like he set us both up…” I don’t know how the jury will feel about the defense making PG out to be the bad guy. It seems like it’s not the right it strategy.
Read Michele’s arrest warrant. He couldn’t cut a deal for her.
I 100% agree.
Trying to poke holes on Fotis's envolvement with the mountain of evidence against him is going to be their downfall.
If there is another person who was in the same shoes as Michelle, it was Pawel, he also believed Jennifer was alive and hiding somewhere because that si what Fotis told everyone around him, and they chose to attack credibilty...🤦🏻♀️
They should have asked him more about the way Fotis talked about Jennifer to both of them.
Btw we still don't know why Pawel thought Fotis was thinking of "doing something stupid" with the camera information. Fotis had to be saying really bad stuff of Jennifer for Pawel to think that.
@@TheMissJJArrest warrants are probable cause affidavits, key word "probable", you can write whatever you want on an arrest warrant but you still have to get it admitted as evidence in a trial and proved beyond reasonable doubt.
I believe if she had Pawel's style of answering ie thinking before blurting whatever comes to her head, she wouldn't be in this mess.
Those interviews were a bloody mess.
@@fernandaolivares7926no judge would sign a warrant of arrest without probable cause, motive and evidence. The police had enough to get her arrested and arraigned. That’s why she’s on trial now.
They aren’t going to touch that theory with a ten foot pole, because remember the Srate has to prove that JFD is even dead/ murdered in order to pin her for conspiracy to commit murder, among her other charges.
Where did this defense lawyer even come from? He is so confused all the time, he confuses this good and decent man on the stand and he’s confusing the hell out of this jury I am sure. He talks in circles. Like be serious, go sit down and let the real lawyer in the courtroom speak aka prosecutor
I’ve watched many trials over the years and this defense attorney is the most arrogant, condescending jerk I have ever come across! His questions are stupid! I’m sure the jury must feel same way at this point. Just focus on the important facts for gods sake!!
He sounds just like my ex's attorney in our custody case. Makes my skin crawl
Why is the defense attorney even bothering with nonsensical cross questioning? Can't he just sit back and relax and deliver closing arguments since the prosecution has no evidence against his client?
Because the prosecutor has evidence and motive, and has objections on record to have a chance at the appellate court.
He's trying to impeach the witness
Ive had a 180 degree change of mind about Michelle Treconis.
I think she is guilty as charged.
Have you also changed like me?
Most people don't make decisions about someone's guilt or innocence until the trial us over and all evidence has been brought out. This case is not over yet, so both of your verdicts are incorrect at this point. Deciding people guilt on gossip and chat on UA-cam is thankfully not how cases are, or should be, tried.
We are not on the jury. We are entitled to our opinion. Thank you.
@@MarneyIIIf an opinion is not formulated taking ALL of the facts into consideration, it's a pretty lame opinion 😮
No I need proof. The more I watch the less I see. She definitely didn’t kill her is my thought. Whether after the fact she knew he had killed get we will never really know will we. We can guess so guess work isn’t proof. Had she been a nice American lady that was loved by all, this wouldn’t even be on trial. Scapegoat is what I think.
Yes, she hides behind her hair. 😂
The defense lawyer looks down on people - not cool and makes him unlikeable
Who cares. Is this a popularity contest or a trial where evidence and facts need to be proven. Nothing proves she did anything wrong. That is what this case is about. Nothing more
True !!!
We already know Fotis wasn't in the office on the morning of May 24th, 2019, no matter if there was two separate entrances to the office. It has already been established that Fotis wasn't at the office tgat morning, even if there was some areas where you couldn't see who was in the office.
They were all in on it, Fotis paid their salaries and they did whatever he said.
😂😂😂😂😂
This is a nice, spacious courtroom.
This defense lawyers cross examination is painfull. Like what is his point? Per usual he just repeats what was testified too the day before. Total waste of time. Where are you defending your client? I find this trial disappointing. So far there is no smoking gun to implicate MT beyond the shadow of doubt..... and Pawell has immunity so why grill him so hard? He isn't trying to build his clients character as a good person.. I just feel bad forthe jurors.... he is likely causing confusion more than any type of defense
My understanding this Defence guy is all about Appeals and that is why he questions like he does..his successes are in Appeals..but he is still hard to take.
@@shaylynned8786Very hard to take...I do think he has grounds to win an appeal at least on the conspiracy charge with the evidence so far.
Jurors are no law experts and Michelle is zero charismatic which might lose her this trial but not an appeal.
@@shaylynned8786I agree, why grill Pawel, we all know he made very questionable decisions once he realized his truck was involved in the crime, which is why he had to cut a deal, so why attack his credibility if he is actually someone who also believed Jennifer was alive until he couldn't anymore...which is the dsme thing Michelle has been saying! Her ONE consistent statement.
If anything he could have been an asset on showing how manipulative Fotis was and the lies he told them both about Jennifer...instead of pointing out these two people were played, he is trying to poke holes in the mountail of very compelling evidence against Fotis!
Bad stategy IMO.
He's trying to impeach him🙄
I think some things Michelle has said is to throw investigators because she helped him and they worked in concert together her and Fotis , they had a ;ot to gain and Michelle was jealous of Jennifer
Omg that was it?! After 5 years these were all the questions?!?
What made you think Fotis could do "something stupid" with the camera information?
What did you mean by "something stupid"
Was he showing the camera guy actual photos of Jennifer's house?
Did you ask how/when he got them?
How many times is your understanding Fotis went to the site in New Cannan in the months prior to the crime?
How did Fotis talked about Jennifer?
When did he first tell you Jennifer was probably hiding?
Did you tell anyone about your suspicion about Fotis and your truck?
Did it ever cross your mind you were being framed? When and why?
Was saying something that could implicate Michelle part of the immunity agreement?
Would you still get immunity if you didn't come up with something against Michelle?
To your understanding what was the evidence the police had against you to charge you with hindering or tampering?
Did you ever had any reason to doubt anythig Fotis ever told you?
Did you believe him to regularly lie? Did you ever see him lie?
Did you ever see him lie to Michelle?
Did you ever see Fotis lose his temper with his children or anyone in the house?
Omg so many questions! What a bust!
She forgot a section for “receipts” in the journal section! They won’t take up much space- they’re invisible! But you can claim you have them especially in the “ist” area!
I am confused. Was this witness an employee for Fotus and what was his position?
Yes he was an employee of Fore Group.
Yes an employee of fotis, and project manager
You need to watch yesterday’s testimony
yes there you will find the detailed time line of his employment history since moving in 2000 - v. interesting to get the background @cynthiacarter514
I question why MT told the police” Fotis only wears dark blue or black jeans” 🤔 Now that the employee (being set up, imo) says Fotis had shaved his hair & wearing light blue colored worn work jeans & t-shirt. Unlike his normal appearance & apparels & looking like the employee to the point a joke was made about it. Makes me wonder 🤔 how much she truly knew about the plans in advance to May 24, 2019.
THIS!
I hardly think anyone would suspect tbeir parter of murder because he wore different jeans...We saw pictures with a shaved head before...I don't know...a circumstantial case is a puzzle, this one is still missing the parts that connect it all....
I’d be so confused this defense attorney asks many irrelevant questions. Is he trying to confuse the witness 😡
Just like the prosecutor puts up irrelevant facts. It goes both ways. They try and paint a picture. They ignore evidence that may clear someone and cherry pick to their best. I just go by evidence not how good or bad an attorney is here.
Proof is what I want not liking someone. I have nothing as yet to send a person to prison.
I think it is his attempt to raise reasonable doubt 🤔 idk
He's trying to impeach him
The defense lawyer’s demeanor and behavior is completely unprofessional. Extremely harsh, and not at all necessary.
Why is the State not objecting to the relevance of paying for the dirt bike. He obviously had permission to have it
How could he have been standing in the way of the defense attorney's view? Hes further over to the left than the tv camera and its obvious we the viewers seen it all. What a dick
I think Michelle had an idea about Fotis wanting to get rid of Jennifer. But she didn't want to know too much of what Fotis was doing. She in her own way didn't want to be a part of it. But she also knew it would benefit her to have Fotis get his wife out of the way. Fotis didn't let Michelle know exactly what he was doing, and Michelle didn't ask.
Anyone notice the smug half smirk MT had on her face through a lot of her bulldogs accusations toward the witness, also looked like she had written notes for the lawyer to ask as well or at least she was a lot more interested in this testimony.
He knows what happen n knows he probably buried her n didnt ask questions n michelle is just as guilty acting like her mans movements that day were not questionable
Also treating him like a slave picking up Michelle and Mom and Daughter, didn't Michelle have a car
Since when getting a paid employee to drive you somewhere equals slavery? 😂
that's just a saying but I am sure a lot of that was not in his job description and possibly not paid, your right he may have been paid that's was my opinion
@@sistersquad1843Well even opinions on youtube have to be based on something, saying whatever pops into one's mind is not necessarily an opinion 😮
Btw. He SAID he recieved a salary and that doing things around the house and driving people and even the dog was part of his job.
wow fly in her own family wonder who paid for that, in Jennifer and her kids house disrespectful
Her family has more money than Fotis ever did actually...
@@fernandaolivares7926 I am sure he was in deep debt
I just never understand what Horn is eluting to. He's trying to say or imply that Pawvel was possibly dishonest because he was working before he got his green card. Please shut up Horn...."right" "right" "correct" "correct "...what is his point?
Defense lawyer is boring
This man was suspicious of Fotis early on. He was used by Fotis and possibly Fotis was trying to frame him.
An animal that has had blood drawn for lab testing is NOT going to bleed profusely from the site the blood was drawn from. Give me a break!!!!
The witness comes off creditable.. the unity agreement is just in fear for not coming fwd to tell what he knew about his boss
It seems to Horn that it's ok for Michelle to forget and recall later events, but not this witness. All this just makes it look worse for Michelle.
The hair...❤
😂
Why does Horn have to be so combative when he speaks. He raises my blood pressure. I can't listen to Horn, even if I agree that Michelle may have been manipulated by Fotis. Michelle's actions still make me feel she might be involved at some capacity.
She absolutely knew that Dulos was getting rid of evidence in public trash cans. Thankfully, there were cameras showing each stop they made.
Well camera's prove she was present, the fact she knew, it's speculation at best.
I think she wanted her dead just as bad as he did and was happy to help which is why you have her on camera on her DNA everywhere
so your hunch is she knew. They’d evidence for sure then. You are simply guessing what she did or didn’t know.
This defence lawyer is getting on my nerves. He gets himself all mixed up and confused because he is yelling and working himself up into a state. And for some reason even though he is a man of the law doesn’t seem to understand that if Fotis is under supervised visits with the courts for the children, why would Jennifer who was scared of him anyway let the children over there to see a dog. Not Fotis’s concern or business if the children don’t come. In any case, If the defence lawyer has to say that Fotis was so upset that Michelle should wish other people dead just to make him feel better then A) he doesn’t have a lot to work with, and B) his defendant is as bad as Fotis (a DNA proven Murderer)
In all fairness, Pawel's hair was actually inside the bag and it was just as circumstantial as Michelle's touch dna...so "proven DNA murderer" is a bit of a stretch...
Fotis yes, Michelle, so far it's a maybe at best.
Horn is garbage. He knows Pawvel is not involved but Horn wants the jury to feel that anything he saids should not be taken as a fact, especially if it makes his client look bad. POS Horn....
Why is the defense always testifying and why doesn't the State make a fool out of like the dogs death or if he knew the attorney or he didn't pay for the dirt bike... he had so much opportunity to try and pin the conspiracy on him instead of her.. even if no one believes that lol
Does the defense attorney ever shut up! His voice is very nasal like and whiney and irritating.
They tried to set him up
This witness is disingenuous in my opinion. I think he has much to hide.
Looking at new trackman the days prior and after the disappearance yet he got immunity to testify against MK where there is absolutely no evidence that she knew that Jennifer was murdered whatsoever
It was no surprise his truck had mechanical problems months before this heinous crime. Not his fault that these jokers decided to do their nefarious acts around the time he was looking for a new truck.
He was never charged.
She was.
Go read her arrest warrant and then come back here and be delusional.
I agree. I look at cars all the time. If I found one exactly like I wanted with low mileage for a great deal I would consider selling my car and trying to buy it. I don't have my car up for sale nor am I out actively looking for a new car. There is nothing wrong with him looking online for trucks he likes. For one Toyota tacomas are hard to find used and if u do they are super expensive or have tons of miles. Those truck run forever and most people hang on to them.
Then why is she there on video with the cleanup dumping the stuff and her DNA is on it and then those comments to throw in that she thought she should be in a grade next to the dog. I don't think it's looking very favorable and I think they're just beginning there must be a lot more
@@yogabee2222you are right. IMo
I agree . They still don’t have solid proof evidence she knew about this. The trial will take longer than expected I feel.
The witness looks suspicious too just like michelle
You cant put someone in jail based on looks or hunches though...
But he did pretty questionable decisions which is why he had to cut a deal not to get charged.
This witness has immunity UNLESS HE PERJURES himself. If he’s caught lying during this testimony = He’d either go to jail or sent back to Poland. This witness is carefully listening & answering as carefully as he can. AKA > walking on eggshells.
@@puppy2haleyIf only Michelle had Pawel's same answering style, she wouldn't be in this mess...
@@fernandaolivares7926true. Her character is why she is on trial. They can’t get her on evidence so they’ll do anything to win a case and it gets very political with a lot of suss going on. Proof is what I would like to see. So far there is none.
He got immunity cause of changing the seats not covering or giving alibi to dulos like mt
The witness should also be arrested why isn’t he arrested
Because he cut a deal with the police and got immunity.
Because there’s criminals on both sides of a fence and that is a fact. They actually have more on him than they do her. His trial should not be. The killer is gone and someone needs to take the fall.
@@stevenprice6957Pavel was never a suspect. He was a person of interest. He went to the police on his own despite his lawyer advising him not to say anything without his presence. His lawyer said that to news reporters outside today. Pavel knew and suspected his boss though he was incredulous about the idea that Dulos would actually harm Jennifer. He also suspected he was being drawn into the entire situation and suspected he would be framed. He was given immunity because his testimony would link fotis as the murderer and MT as a willing aid and abetter of getting rid of the evidence on March 24 and March 29 when Pavel testified to both their presence.
He is lying, he knows something.
He was granted immunity, so therefore he could have told them ANYTHING He knew, saw or heard and or witnessed the crime being committed and for that reason I do feel he’s being honest about what happened as he recalls it. The day Jennifer went missing wasn’t a big deal to him that morning he woke up and did his usual routine. So not to remember every single detail about his day, doesn’t seem suspicious to me. Furthermore he had no reason to hurt FD wife. I believe him, that in the beginning he didn’t want to think that FD was capable of hurting the mother of his 5 children. The fact that he can be deported and or go to jail if he’s found lying, I don’t think he would take that risk!! I believe him
I actually think the opposite, I think he doesn't know squat but because he had to provide evidence against Michelle to get his immunity he squeezed as hard as he could and all he came up with were the two comments Michelle made about Jennifer which were said in anger in two moments when she believed Jennifer was hurting the people she loved....
This poor guy has been between a rock and a hard place from day one, first with Fotis and now with the police.