How much have Golf Clubs and Balls REALLY Improved in 36 years!? 🤔
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Are Golf Clubs and Golf Balls really getting that much better?
Every year, golf club manufacturers keep telling us their new driver is 10 yards longer, their new Golf Balls fly 10 yards further, but the maths don't seem to add up?...
In todays vlog we're going to find out the real differences between golf clubs and golf balls with nearly a 40 year age gap!
Does a new TaylorMade Qi10 make that much difference compared to an older driver? Or is at all clever marketing by the guys at TaylorMade, Callaway and Ping etc?
Will the new ProV1 really fly that much further than an older golf ball? Do we need the golf ball rollback that is scheduled to be introduced to make golf courses more challenging?
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Today's video features:
RYDER MARK 3 IRONS
MAXFLI CD GOLF BALLS
TITLEIST PRO V1 GOLF BALLS
PXG 0317CB IRONS
Two golf clubs dominated the United States in the 80's ... Wilson 1200GE and Ping Eye 2. Those would be good to compare to modern clubs. I think a good comparison would be the old Titleist ballata ball with the new Pro V1.
About sixty yards different. Back in the seventies the pros would average about 270 from the tee. We now have players averaging 327. The clubs have changed too. The clubs need to add more obstacles or become obsolete. Narrow the fairways, plant more trees, add more water and bunkers, and stop building courses that are 7600yds. The game is all about accuracy anyway, so why not encourage more of it? The duffers won’t like the obstacles, but it sells more balls.
Bingo. I played the 1200 GE in HS and Jr. College 1984-89 years. Moved to PE2 in 1992. I played the CD-90 ball also.
Love this video hope now people will relies how good Mr Jack Nicklaus was as a golfer how easy it is for tiger woods played his clubs and balls the likes of Nicklaus player and palmer played the bears the best ever and always will be plus a pure gentleman to boot
Yes! A lot of people say that golf course have got longer! Yes, a lot of new courses are built longer, but most golf clubs haven’t lengthen at all!
Maxfli HT were the best balata balls back in the day, IMHO. You only miss hit ball once, because the ball was not fit to use after the miss hit. You learnt to improve strike, because mistakes were expensive.
Shafts and golf balls have been the biggest improvement in the last 35 yrs, a combination of the two.
I golfed in the late 80s and 90s and then gave it up for 20 years. Been playing about a year and a half now. Haven't put a cut in a single ball since I've been back. Can't say the same about the old days.
Has the average handicap dropped with all the technology? According to the board at my club, no. The best way to get better is to practice from a 150 yards in, and chipping, pitching and putting. That's when your handicap tumbles
I had a set of Ryder blades probably around 1980, great clubs. One of the best older balls was the Ram Tour Balata LB.
One of the first set of clubs I bought, straight off the shelf not fitting then. used to hit them really well and long. Remember finding a Maxfli on the golf course and decided when I could afford them to buy and play with these balls they were really quite good.
I never thought of the cost of the balls. All you really hear about is Dunlop and maxfli, wouldn’t know what a budget ball was back then?
@@garymartingolf Top Flite xl .... lol
Gaz, what putter brand and name is that you use fella?
Enjoyed that comparison vlog, always nice to see the progression of golf equipment.
Also was cool to see what vlog was coming next 👍
Need a competition between two good players…one using 1970’s clubs including persimmon and no 60 degree wedge with a balata wound ball….the other using all modern equipment. The only difference would be tee placements…..a big golf course back in those days was around 6900 yards……and have the modern play from 7500…….would be a fun watch
Bryson has played on his channel with a set of Hickories, off the back tees and shot in the 60’s
They were the first ever matching set of irons I had as a junior. Got them second hand from a driving range when I was about 13 years old, which was 1990.
Sweet spot the size of a fingernail!
I think what we have to consider is the actual age of the golf balls could have an effect on the balls performance. The balls could be a little bit deadened
To add to this thought, these clubs are tough clubs to hit even though they probably were mid handicap clubs. My suggestion is to try a set of blades ( Wilson, , Hogan, Macgregor) and give it a go. I think with the blades oftheday you will be pleasantly surprised
That 7 iron comparison is by club number only, old 6 iron to new 7 iron should have been the test lofts will have been more realistic.
I did say on the first hole somebody would say this 😂
@@garymartingolf you’re making it look like clubs have got longer over the years which is true but not by the amount shown on the 7 iron comparison. Probably by 5 yards at the most over a 40 year period for average golfers.
To have any meaning you need to include Top-Flites premium ball from 1988. It was the longest ball available at that time.
The game has changed making comparisons difficult. In 80's premium was on accuracy rather than distance. There were no specialist wedges or 60degree wedges and "woods" were much smaller. Courses were also different in that greens were generally slower and rough longer as course maintenance equipment has improved so much. Nowadays distance and height of flight is the goal.
Take it from me Garry yes new balls and clubs hit hit the ball farther but simulators have been a huge part of the gains! When i played golf in the 80s the drivers produced so much spin that the ball went way to hi and just dropped out of the sky, now we fine tune spin and launch angle with shafts and different balls and get the maximum distance for each and every golfer.
Great point!! Custom fitting playing a part 👌🏼
Awesome comparison. Since you used the Pro V1, you would have had to compare something like a Titleist Tour Balata or Maxfli DDH Balata to compare tour level balls. The Maxfli you all used is a budget model. Ideally, the current ball should have also been budget. I doubt the Balata balls could have held their compression this long. You'd quickly find out not to hit the balata balls thin or face the consequences of a smiley face and a lopsided ball.
There were wound balls at that time that had Surlyn (ionomer) covers instead of balata. Does the old ball you were using have a balata or Surlyn cover? The Surlyn cover balls spun less, which might explain the spin being lower than a Pro V1.
I was low single figures in the 80s with Ping Eye 2s and a Maxfli ball, i often wonder what it would be like then using modern technology, unfortunately now with a bad back, knees and shoulders i guess i will never know. I00 yds with a wedge, and 150 with a 7 iron was about standard
I had a set of similar clubs virtually identical.
Nicklaus mk111 they weren't very well balanced computer designed clubs of today are much more consistant because the heads are guaranteed to be correctly cast with no uneven heavy or lighter weight areas in the manufacturing process.
The ball technology has gone that way plus plastics are way more durable and balanced and even consistency of density also compressing much better delivering more energy into the ball.
My first set of new irons was PGA’s 2 through 9 iron with aluminum shafts used them thru high school also wooden driver 2 3 4 and 5 same brand and shafts.
Why were the woods so close together?
@@garymartingolf that was how sets came in those days most sets all the woods consecutive numbers. It’s funny how I bought them I was 12 or 13 and I was looking at the clubs in the clubhouse where I was playing. In those days you bought your clubs at the golf course. The pro approached me and asked if I was interested in new clubs and I told him I didn’t have enough money to purchase them and he asked if I had a job I told him that I had a paper route and he told me I could get them on credit. He had a notepad and put my name in it and told me come in every week and pay what you can. I took them home that day and used them all through high school. I think it was smart on his part he was building a connection with young golfers to play the course into adulthood.
My old Mizuno MP57 5 iron goes the same distance as my Callaway Apex 7 iron, with a lower ball flight and is miles less forgiving. Just makes no sense to me amateurs using anything that's not super-forgiving. Lofts are irrelevant: if you get a set of irons, you'll obviously have all the loft options you need! I think the balls are a much bigger advance. I held on to a sleeve of Precepts from 2001 for about 15 years (I liked the aesthetic, and the 22 numbering). I used the Precepts in about 2017 and they're like hitting marbes compared to a Pro v1.
This was great Gary. 👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers Jim
I really like seeing what will premiere next. Makes it easier to find what I am looking for when it is released, amongst the sea of hundreds of subs 🫢. Gary, your channel is going from strength to strength x
Thanks Cindy. I’m going to try to do one long form video a week on a Sunday that’s a premier. That way, if it’s not a topic someone is interested in, they won’t be disappointed ⛳️👌🏼
Maxfli cd 90 or cd100 were amazing, have a try with some pinned in Hogans from the late 70's.
Played my redlines many timesin practice games and I love them but they're 30 yards shorter than my srixon pro 100 irons.
There is a lot of debate on here re Players back in the day, equipment etc. average handicap in 1972 was 18, average handicap now??? 18 the courses the tour pros play are in the main longer, and that includes the open courses, albeit not as dramatically longer, modern golfers with new equipment still bully the golf courses. I would suggest that’s down to fitness as much as the equipment. Faldo started the bulking up, eventually cost him his game. Tiger took it to the Nth degree, going from skinny kid to super fit athlete, he left his peers behind, coupled with his ability, he was untouchable for a period of time. Jack Nicklaus, had Tome Watson, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Arnie, Seve, Peter Thompson. And Raymond Floyd to compete against, which is why Jack has so many runner up places to add to his 18 Majors. Today, most drive the ball 325+ hit 7 iron 200 yards. Jack said in the 70’s he hit 5 iron to the 16th at Augusta, he hit 9 iron when winning in 1986, says a lot about the equipment. Mind you, he looked fit in 1986, he was rather chubby in his youth. Ultimately, it’s just the game has changed, golfers are no longer driving to events, sleeping in the car, drunk from a night on the tiles playing the next day with a hangover, as my pal did in the early 80”s when winning the Dutch Open.😂😂
Why did you not compare the rider 7 iron with the 8 or 9 of the PXG' which ever one had the closest loft to the old.
I've got a set of Maxfli Australian blades you can try out for fun
These irons aren’t blades!! They are a cast cavity back with a very thin top line. Once again the only focus here is distance. Golf is more than just bl00dy distance and getting an extra 5 yards. Where is the feedback on control, feel, etc etc?
Great video to watch Gaz and it shows just how much golf equipment has come on, shame you didn’t wear 80’s clothing 😂😂
First of all congrats on the win on James's channel and have you put the P7mcs in the bag yet😂.
Lovely day for some golf innit
Started my golf life in 1987 the wife bought me a set of pinseekers you could get from Argos for my 21st . Dread to think the loft and lie back then . And using a pinnacle ball 😂😂😂. Those were the days
Bought from Argos 😃 I remember looking at golf clubs and equipment in the Argos book 😅
Wow, that 40 year old pitching wedge went 274😯
Which hole lol 😂
@12:40
The Mk III actually came out in 1985 so almost exactly 40 years old.
They're a heel toe weighted club so not a true blade.
You acknowledged that lofts are different but not lengths, the length will match the loft so your PXG 7 iron will be longer than your Ryder 7 iron. Longer club, faster clubhead, will increase ball speed and spin rate.
By 1988 we were using metal drivers you need fo go back to 1978 and use a wooden driver. That will show you the real difference.
Interesting , i think when i first started someone gave me a half set of those
Yep me too
"We've done old club/new ball, new ball/old club..." 🤣
Morning Gary
Morning pal
If you really want to go back to the 80s find a wood driver, 3 wood and maybe a 5 wood. I played wilson staff irons and Spalding woods in 1980. Old persimmon blonde ones are nice😅
My wife was born in '88 as well Gaz
What a year to be born! I’m taking my Sun glasses to Scotland this week, preying for sun! ☀️
@garymartingolf I was born in '79, so that's one of those things in life you just don't question 🤣. Try them out anyway even if it's not super sunny, you get the added benefit of the full UV protection even when it's slightly overcast, and I think you'll be surprised at the difference in color saturation and detail contrast 👍
These clubs remind me of a set called Ryder cup made by PGA. Stainless steel with the weights on them. Ok clubs
Clubs have made the difference by 1000 miles. You can play the worst Donnay 50 pence ball and it still goes 95% of the distance. And not many players can generate any stop at all so that's a nonstarter.
These clubs if you miss hit them it hurt your hands. 😂😂😂 especially on a cool or cold day.
I’m sick and tired of notifications for “upcoming” why oh why ?
Is this not better lol 😃
I kind of agree, if I wanted to watch a video the moment it releases then I'd have the notification bell ticked. This feels forced...
I clicked on it a few days ago thinking it was available… but it’s not a big deal? I like that you get to see what’s up next, I was looking forward to this coming out.
Cheers Gaz
@@jimmahT it doesn’t make any difference to me. I don’t not bother with the premier, i was just trying something new.
Possibly the most overly dramatic comment ever 😂
I know you tried to dismiss the loft difference, but you can’t argue with facts. A modern nine iron is a true seven iron. The loft wars between the major companies are to blame. “our 9 iron goes further than any other company“ that’s because you’ve lofted it to be an 8 1/2 iron essentially. Once one company did it, the rest had to follow and keep up. Now we have a 1-1/2 to 2 club difference between modern irons and older ones.
I don’t buy this argument, sorry. If you de-lofted the old equipment, it wouldn’t have launched. Improved launch technology has allowed club lofts to be strengthened.
@@garymartingolf hey Gary , what would happen if you delofted a new iron to the old iron loft? Would the new tech make the club unhitable ?
I play with 20 year old Ping Eye 3+ irons. Long irons are tough but short irons are still easy to hit well.
I am playing off 5 with 25 year old pings, no disrespect but its not the clubs guys..... Trevino, Player, Ballesteros used wooden woods etc and still were amazing. Enjoy