Paul - Pause the video and move the slider to stop the video at 1:36 and note the rod angle, then note it again at 1:37 (I assume that is 1 second of time of rotation). The rod angle goes from about 45 degrees back to 45 degrees forward for about 90 degrees of rotation in that 1 second time period. Now go forward 1 more second to 1:38 - how much additional rotation is there? I see about 20 degrees. I see faster rotation through the vertical than I see later in the stroke. Maybe we need to see this is a faster frame rate slow motion in order to see the “late rotation” that we have discussed? I am also not sure how accurate the video’s time stamp designation is once the video is posted to UA-cam. Hope all is well - you’ve been posting some awesome content on UA-cam!
Hi Ron, that’s slow motion there. I don’t think I can post photos here. We have some good analysis of this cast ag 120fps www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3993&hilit=Delayed+rotation#p73466
You’re most welcome! I think all these answers start with “it depends” 😆 Stiffness is thought to be important by many when they learn that competition casters usually (not always) compete with much stiffer rods. However it’s mostly about the line. The above is a “6WT” rod and 5WT line. I’ve regularly thrown that combination 130’ in comp and would expect to throw 120’+ in just about any conditions. In comp I normally use a “10WT” which *might* give me 3-4’ more distance. It’s significant in competition where we can be fighting over inches but it’s not the big difference maker than many people think. Most important is the line (and technique of course!!). I personally wouldn’t fish such a stiff combination as I do in distance competition, but the combination above in the video is very fishable and it’s what I usually use for coaching and teaching Spey casts etc. The rod was chosen for its colour not its stiffness 😆
Hi Paul Are those markers on the fly line and what are they set at i am practicing the first cast not the 170 Using a Bario gt125 line with a 73ft head 10ft front taper 21 ft belly and 41 ft rear taper where should I tape it for ideal carry
Hi Marcus, that’s a great question. Nick and I discuss overhang in depth - I think in the 110-115’ video. Basically you want to ideally leave the head at the very top of the loop when it has first fully formed. This depends on rod stiffness (counterflex), rod length, arm length, technique etc. it’s going to be around 90’ from line hand to the nail knot. For me I would think about 92/3 with the Barrio 125. I don’t think my line was marked. My OSD carry is around 86’ and 170 is around 90 +/- with the MED5 above.
Most important thing is to stay in control of the loops. With practise you can stay in control of the loops at greater distance. That’s really what matters most. And thanks! 🙏
Excellent video. Your OSD slow motion is a great example of how and when to use wrist in a fly cast.
Paul - Pause the video and move the slider to stop the video at 1:36 and note the rod angle, then note it again at 1:37 (I assume that is 1 second of time of rotation). The rod angle goes from about 45 degrees back to 45 degrees forward for about 90 degrees of rotation in that 1 second time period. Now go forward 1 more second to 1:38 - how much additional rotation is there? I see about 20 degrees. I see faster rotation through the vertical than I see later in the stroke. Maybe we need to see this is a faster frame rate slow motion in order to see the “late rotation” that we have discussed? I am also not sure how accurate the video’s time stamp designation is once the video is posted to UA-cam. Hope all is well - you’ve been posting some awesome content on UA-cam!
Hi Ron, that’s slow motion there. I don’t think I can post photos here. We have some good analysis of this cast ag 120fps www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3993&hilit=Delayed+rotation#p73466
Here it is www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3860&p=69515&hilit=Tracker+170+Paul+Paul+cast#p69515
Thank you for the video! May I ask - do you always use the same rod for fishing/competing? And do you use fast rods for distance? Thanks again!
You’re most welcome! I think all these answers start with “it depends” 😆 Stiffness is thought to be important by many when they learn that competition casters usually (not always) compete with much stiffer rods. However it’s mostly about the line. The above is a “6WT” rod and 5WT line. I’ve regularly thrown that combination 130’ in comp and would expect to throw 120’+ in just about any conditions. In comp I normally use a “10WT” which *might* give me 3-4’ more distance. It’s significant in competition where we can be fighting over inches but it’s not the big difference maker than many people think. Most important is the line (and technique of course!!).
I personally wouldn’t fish such a stiff combination as I do in distance competition, but the combination above in the video is very fishable and it’s what I usually use for coaching and teaching Spey casts etc. The rod was chosen for its colour not its stiffness 😆
Great video. Thanks Paul. Do you shoot line already on 1st backcast?
Hi Karel, generally no. Pickup is around 17m. For me that first backcast is more about getting everything under control.
(That 17m from feet to end of flyline, when I have something to measure from. Not as precise if I don’t of course)
Hi Paul
Are those markers on the fly line and what are they set at i am practicing the first cast not the 170
Using a Bario gt125 line with a 73ft head 10ft front taper 21 ft belly and 41 ft rear taper where should I tape it for ideal carry
Hi Marcus, that’s a great question. Nick and I discuss overhang in depth - I think in the 110-115’ video. Basically you want to ideally leave the head at the very top of the loop when it has first fully formed. This depends on rod stiffness (counterflex), rod length, arm length, technique etc. it’s going to be around 90’ from line hand to the nail knot. For me I would think about 92/3 with the Barrio 125.
I don’t think my line was marked. My OSD carry is around 86’ and 170 is around 90 +/- with the MED5 above.
I know you live on a boat but does the movement under your feet subtracts something to your distance? I know it would ruin mine
Oh absolutely. If I tried to demonstrate a full launch or stepping I’d disappear over the side.
it looks like you are hauling from the backing. that is impossible for me to do. you make it look natural.
Most important thing is to stay in control of the loops. With practise you can stay in control of the loops at greater distance. That’s really what matters most. And thanks! 🙏