StumperJumper Evo (21-22), Cascade Link and Tires Review. Setup tips, No nonsense.
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In this review, I do a long-term review of my stumpjumper evo along with setup tips as this bike "likes" some settings that aren't typical. I also review the cascade link for the bike as well as lots of tires including Specialized's Eliminator and Butcher, Kenda Pinners, Maxxis Dissector and Assegai and Vittoria Mazzas. There probably is a bit of nonsense in there somewhere I guess...
Thanks for this. I just bought a 2022 Evo and did a first ride yesterday. Felt pretty good despite lots of rain and mud. For my local trails I am thinking I put it on the steep geometry but I haven’t tried it yet. Haven’t seen any decent videos on UA-cam on how to do it so I will just have to figure it out.
Thanks for all of this information! I’m looking at building one of these up over the winter, and your info on the rear suspension is polar opposite from what I’ve learned on my Yeti. I’d have been fighting setup for quite a while trying to figure that out if I hadn’t found this video.
Glad to help. Leverage curves and axle path can really mess with things from bike-to-bike. Sometimes when your bike feels too stiff, it might actually be too soft
Now my YT Izzo? Definitely opposite. If you want it to feel compliant, it needs at least 30% sag.
I have the 2022 S4 and agree with a lot of these set up tips. I did the same geo adjustments and liked the 64 low setting the most. running 165mm cranks. I also tried the mullet link, which I loved for certain applications.. but made the bike feel less wellrounded and had even less progression. So I went back to the 29er set up.
huh neat, why don't all eliminators have t7/t9 combo? Going to try a higher pressure in my rear shock now..
@@shellderp i feel like they should make a grid gravity eliminator that is all T9
Hey mate I'm 5,9 too and I'm leaning towards a S4 stumpy evo with a 35 or 40mm stem. What's your thoughts on this? Did you compare s3 to the s4? Cheers
I would not do that. At 5'9" and even with a 50mm stem on the evo, I felt like the slack head cup just put that front wheel too far out there away from my hands. I ended up going back to the neutral headcup/low geo. I think an S4 is going to feel really big, and this bike is happiest being more of a playful bike than an absolute charger. If you want a hard charging bike, the Enduro is definitely a different animal when the going gets rough. I think you could make an S3 or an S4 on the Enduro work, but i would not want an s4 stevo
My buddy has an s4 and it just seems really long. Don't get me wrong you'll get used to whatever you're riding and have fun on it either way, but for what I found this bike to be best at, I would not want to go bigger
I’m 6 foot and the s4 is a great fit.
At 5.9 I’d say the s3 would be good
im 6 foot 145Ibs and ride an s5 easily idk what you're on about@@KlintonSilvey
I rocked the specialized tires a few years ago and didn't like them. I know they made huge improvements, so I'm going to give them another shot. Best I ever found for me is dhr maxx terra double down and assagai max grip exo plus.
I took my butchers off immediately and went with exo+ on the rear with Cush. Working great with all the rocks😊
Good stuff, I have been struggling with my rear shock with issues like you, appreciate your setup tips, gonna try them. Also running Terra DHR2 and Assegai super soft front, let's see how they do. Next up, Kryptotal.
I really want to try that new Continental stuff, but man those tires are expensive. I generally go with whatever I can get a deal on 😅
@@Pens4Life85 that's right!
@@Pens4Life85 I've been racing these things for about 7 years now and I've tested many tires. There are plenty of good ones out there You just have to wait till they go on sale
@@Pens4Life85 the wild enduros are really stable and have a very locked-in feeling but don't roll fast. They also have a lot of open space, especially with the side knobs so if you're on a lot of rock slabs they might not be the best. Kryptotal looks a lot like Assegai so my guess is it works just about everywhere well but doesn't roll super fast either
@@Pens4Life85 Vittoria Mazza probably the best balance. Rolls fast. Amazing side knobs. Not as sticky on top of slabs though
Does the bike climb way worse with cascade? I agree with all your experiences especially sag and geo settings
No you won't even notice a difference
fucking loved this, truly enjoyed just sitting down and chillin away watching this video, you should do a more!
New bike just needs a few more rides...
Enduro review getting filmed today! Same low production quality incoming!
Nice review, thanks for this. Do you have any experience with the 2020 Stumpjumper Carbon 29’r? I’ve got my heart set on the Troy Lee Limited Edition frame in my local bike shop. It comes with a DHX2 coil. Build will consist of components from the 2020 Stumpjumper Expert (but with alloy wheels)
I’m not what the difference is with the 2021 version (is it just a different chain-stay design?)
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again
I don't have experience with that bike, but from what I know from other people, the pre-2021 stumpys were less efficient at the pedals with more bob when pedaling hard. They also aren't very progressive. What that means, is that with a coil, it should be incredibly smooth with great traction, and carry speed extremely well on trails that are bumpy (small rocks and roots), but it might blow through the travel kind of easily on medium-bigger hits. If you pedal smooth and ride a lot of xc, it might be great even with that coil, but if you are a hard-hitter or big-sender, I think you'll find the limits of the travel pretty quickly. Enduro review coming soon!
Thanks for your reply. Those are very valid points, I will definitely compare this bike with other options in the same price range. Keep up the great content 👍🏽
I have had this bike for the same period of time this review is the most on point review I have seen!
I have had the same issues with the rear end and I’m like 175 with kit.
It needs pressure and low speed compression. Trying to dial that in now.
Im in the 63.5 head angle and I’m experiencing what you are experiencing with flatter corners.
Literally was just thinking it go middle cup and low bb.
I picked up 165 cranks too which helps a lot.
The specialized front tire is solid!
I have the Assegai now and I agree with you completely. The softer rubber is really nice on slabs but I have found it slides a tad with loose over hard especially with flatter turns where you are in that no mans zone. I’m figuring out how to trust it.
The AGRESSOR 2.5 I just put on on the rear is absolutely killer! I’m running it in DD
How much low speed are you running in the rear and how much sag not really applicable because I don’t have the cascade link yet 🙃 lol
I’m debating it tho.
And maybe going mullet! Have you thought about that one yet?
I think i am 4-5 clicks out from full hard on lsc. I have no desire to go mullet on this bike because where i am it's soooo rough i want all the roll speed i can carry over rocks
@@KlintonSilvey I have been thinking about going with a 170mm airspring and running it in the neutral setting. This might be a killer sweet spot. I am thinking the gains in BB height, stack and wheel base and overall plushness will be worth it!
Well some things have happened recently and I'm actually on an entirely new bike. I'll make a review soon
@@KlintonSilvey no wayyyyy
@@KlintonSilvey what did you pick up
I built up a stumpy evo frame this winter and went with flip chip low steep head angle and installed 165 mm crank arms.
I would not mind 165s for where I live at all
@@KlintonSilvey do you ride a lot of Rocky tech? How’s it doing in neutral head cup and low bb?
@@sisufitness659 rocky tech is 90% of my riding (Shepherd Mountain Bike Park) and neutral/low has been fine because i only run maybe 25% sag and plenty of lsc. It's not lower than slack/high at 30% sag. I like the neutral cup just because i have better front end feel. Still 64 degrees so it isn't steep at all. Thinking about going to the high mode after a race i have this weekend and getting used to that again.
@@KlintonSilvey thanks man! why do you want to go to the high mode? High and neutral?
Pedal strikes! Also after the big mountain Enduro this weekend I'll be doing more riding at places that are less speed and more pedally. High mode is a little bit better of a climbing position
It seems were about the same height & weight and enjoy similar terrain and my experiences are almost identical as yours! I have seen a few comments around about not going larger than the .6 volume spacer on the DPX2 but any FOX documentation I've been able to dig up is only up to the 2020. I have not seen anything specific for the 2021/22 DPX2 so if you have something to share would love to see it!
Note, I have run the largest 1.03 for sometime and have now recently settled for the 0.86 volume spacer, finding 28% sag was the sweet spot. I do find the Cascade naturally made the bike more planted (which is fine as I was 50/50 whether to go STEVO or Enduro) so if I was really wanting a little more playful feel I would stick with the stock link.
I started low/slack then moved to high/slack and recently now in high/neutral. There's only been a couple occasions where I wished for slack but that's only on the steepest of steeps in the bottom g-outs... after sometime on this I plan to test out low/neutral just to check it out but for the daily setting I'll probably stick with high/neutral.
I do really like the new T9 Butcher on the front and plan on replacing with another (or Assegai EXO+ Maxxgrip but is about $25 more for no real gain so stock dependent). The Eliminator was just ok and have gone back to the DD 3C Maxx-terror DHR2 for the rear! If I ever see those Vittoria Mazza's around sounds like it would be worth a test!
2022 doesn’t have a dpx2 comes with the float x so little burlier
Mazza is still the best all-rounder ever. If I was forced to pick one tire to use for the rest of my life in all applications, that would be it.
@klinton silvey you still rocking the 50mm stem? I switched to a 40 and like the snappiness, but lost a little front end traction.
I don't have the bike anymore, but if I did or was on an S3 I would run the 50mm no problem. I am on an S4 enduro now. Would probably have liked an S3, but I got a killler deal on the s4 so i took it. Running 32mm stem on it
How do you find the size iam 5,7 and thinking for s2
You could certainly ride an S2 and it would be great. An S3 with a shorter stem would also work. If it's at all possible to go to a specialized shop and get on and S2 or S3, even on a regular stump jumper or an enduro, it would give you a better idea. However, I don't believe the chain stays shrink or grow with size from S2 to S4 at least. So proportionally it might feel like the S2 has weirdly long chainstays 🤷♂️
Stumpy EVO vs Enduro to go racing? What do you think?
100% depends on where you live and how many harsh/square edge impacts you deal with. Enduro definitely has a superior suspension for hard charging through the rough or big jumps
Check out my enduro review
Your issue was the dpx2 not the frame. The dpx2 isn’t good for heavy guys I had the same problem switched to a float x which has bigger valving that can support heavier riders with less air pressure. I’m heavier tho at 250
Did the cascade link change how it climbed/pedaled?
It really didn't. I have noticed any lack of efficiency as long as I'm running 25% sag or less
@@KlintonSilvey Awesome! Thanks
What tire width do you have front and rear?
The specialized 2.3 but it's a wide 2.3. I'm about to try the butcher in 2.6 up front. Honestly in the packaging the tread doesn't look much wider at all
I've got a 2023 Evo Pro with Factory Float X rear. I just put a WRP yoke on it because I'm on mixed wheel.
I'm 217lbs no gear. I don't have the issues you have.
Your video is a prime example of 1 person's advice doesn't apply to everyone. This was painful to watch.
I don't want to hurt anybody so you can turn it off it causes you pain.
Tire talk around 18 minutes