Haha there were so many requests in the comments from Part 1 and Part 2 that now I have all sorts of stuff I'm doing so that Part 3 answers all of those questions 😀 -Mike
Well if you going to do a Part 4 with the cascade link, which would be awesome. Some of us are running the cascade, WRP yoke and mullet. With the coil maybe being the missing or final piece. So you may as well go all in haha 👌🏼
I just got the Evo Pro. 1st ride was at the bike park. Second ride today was trails with a lot of climbing. I could have bought a bunch of different bikes. I went with the Stumpy Evo because of the crazy adjustability. It's a great trail bike!
This shock out right makes the bike feel AMAZING!! Ever since I got my bike I knew a coil shock would just make it perfect feeling on the type of trails I like to ride but was bummed out to know no shock on my budget was compatible at the time but when this came out and announced its compatibility I blindly just bought it straight away. ZERO regrets!! im in love with it. thanks for doing this review, it just gave my the answer to finish my tunning setup for my shock! thanks
Recently picked up and installed the Cane Creek IL Valt coil. It is beyond amazing. I built up a new Trek Top Fuel. I’ve got a Pike ultimate up front at 130mm but the dps the frame came with was holding the bike back. Mike is right on, the top fuel feels more balanced and composed especially paired with the burlier fork. The 120 coil feels bottomless. Can’t recommend the coil enough
I just got this same shock installed on my bike recently and really noticed a difference in a positive way over my Fox Float X air shock I had. This thing just soaks things up so nicely
The cheap model of the fox float x came on my new Jekyll and that thing sucks .. and all I have is rebound adjustment and the climb switch.. on my e-bike I switch from the fox DPS to a rockshox ultimate coil and that was an insane increase in feel and performance
Man Mike, I’m envious! I miss riding the PNW. Rode coil on all of my bikes since 1994 starting with my GT RTS2. Until my most recent purchased bike an intense carbine expert spec’d with DVO air. Coil is in my future.
EXT does work. I ran one on my RS coil. It’s a super light SL spring so you will save some weight as well. Comes in 25lb increments i believe. The EXT office in the US helped me get the right one.
I have this shock on my SC Nomad V6. The HBO is amazing. Worlds better than my Fox DHX2 on my old Yeti 165. Never felt any bottom outs w 2 clicks of HBO till I came up short on a big boulder drop. I have 3 clicks and feels just as good w no bottoming out now.
So glad I watched this. Running this shock on a spire and didn’t even realize there was HSC. I guess I’ve been running it at 2 clicks. Thanks man lol. Love this shock on the spire.
Great video thanks for clearing up different years of EVO. I have a SJ EVO Ltd S5 2021 so current frame. Since this is stock mullet would same principles apply as full 29er.
Yes the same concepts should apply! The mullet link preserves all the geometry and suspension characteristics of the bike besides the wheel size so all of this should apply exactly the same to your mullet configuration! -Tor
@The Lost Co. I have the Alloy Elite with .8 of volume reduction in the Float X. I have 29-30% sag in the rear and still bottom the rear out. Can you talk specifically on progression in comparison to the float X. I simply don't understand how this bike could be ridden with a coil and still have enough bottom out resistance. Thanks.
What coil shocks work well with a Santa Cruz Megatower v2? So many overwhelming options with RS, Fox DHX2, Cane Creek Kitsuma, EXT Storia, MRP Hazzard, Ohlins TTX, etc.... I demoed the Super Deluxe Ultimate coil on my Megatower and really loved it! I'm debating buying a coil, and of course, which option if i do. Part of me says RS because it feels great and its easy to setup, and the slow climber in me wants a relatively lighter weight coil ie CC or EXT.
Does it jump any different with the coil spring compared to the air shock? My SJ Evo jumps great with the air shock, but my Meta AM jumps very differently depending on the coil shock or the air shock. My Meta AM jumps better with the air shock. Thanks.
Nice Video. So do I understand right, that the RS Coil 2023 is ready for the Levo and Evo? On the Sram Side the information is confusing, because of the version with a steel shaft. Greetings from germany.
Having recently purchased an Evo frame, I am curious to see the real world difference between the stock, mullet, and Cascade links. I have also read where using spherical bushings on the shock is supposed to relieve some of the side loading stresses.
I just threw on the cascade link and it definitely feels more plush, even with a 75lb heavier spring on my coil. It does feel a little more bouncy on the climbs though
I watched your videos on the coil shock on the Stumpy Evo. I was interested in trying a coil on my 2021 Stumpy Evo also so I contacted my local bike shop to see what options they had because like you stated some shocks aren’t approved for this bike. The shop told me they contacted Specialized and they said not to run “any” coil shocks on this bike? No sure if the shop was correct or not. Thought I’d pass on the info.
Love the review. Can you elaborate a little on the theory of linear vs progressive frame suspension design and how it plays with coil spring which is linear? I heard stumpy is rather linear and therefore requires progressive spring
I run my 2022 SJ Evo with the Mullet link. Can you test that set up with a coil? I believe the mullet link makes it less progressive… enjoying this series :)
I think you can buy the WRP mullet yoke to retain the same rear suspension performance as the 29er set up. I've seen people use that yoke and the cascade link combo that seem to like it.
I have a carbon Stevo with cascade link, ohlins coil and a fox factory 38 with 170mm travel and it is friggen awesome. A beast of an enduro bike, that's fast, handles amazing and pedals well. Only downside (if you consider it a downside) is the added weight.. but then the weight makes it even better on the way down.. so sickkkk Also to note: the ohlins has a lockout (of sorts) so I get no pedal bob when pedalling
Sounds like an almost perfect bike! If only we had a climb switch that made our bikes lighter for the climbs, I guess that's what chair lifts are for! -Tor 😎
Would the older RS deluxe ultimate coil without HBO be also ok in this bike? Or is HBO necessary here since the leverage ratio of Stumpjumper evo is quite linear at the end of the stroke.
Hey Vaclav! I ran a coil shock on a Stumpjumper Evo without the HBO and had no issues with it! I did try running a progressive spring which helped bring the bike to life in the mid stroke, but it works just fine with a regular spring on a coil shock without the HBO! -Tor
Hey Immanuel! A coil on the Status 160 is definitely going to be different from the Stumpjumper Evo because they don't use the same shock stroke size or have the same amount of travel but the Status does have the progression to handle a coil shock! That same list of shocks that are compatible with the Stumpjumper Evo will also be compatible with your Status because they use a very similar yoke system to drive the shock. Hope that clears things up! -Tor
Gonna throw a cane creek db kitsuma coil on mine gonna screw around and post my discoveries. Thank you for the push. EDIT: 05/30 first ride on the coil was a night and day difference for the bike. Traction increase everywhere the kitsuma has an amazing climb switch that makes tricky climbs easier than the float x I'm open mode. When I pointed it downhill, I didn't feel the bottom out because of the progressivity gained from the progressive vault spring from cane creek. On a long sustained rock garden I felt way more control, more supple and more consistent rebound. If you have a stumpjumper/EVO/Levo and want to get a sick toolless adjustment shock look no further than the kitsuma
I was thinking about cascade link first but now I'm actually thinking about purchasing kitsuma first. I guess it would be best to get both.. are you riding it with standart link? What is the coil setup you ride so I have something to start with. Thanks
I think I can speak for all of us. When I say we're dying for part 3
Haha there were so many requests in the comments from Part 1 and Part 2 that now I have all sorts of stuff I'm doing so that Part 3 answers all of those questions 😀
-Mike
Well if you going to do a Part 4 with the cascade link, which would be awesome. Some of us are running the cascade, WRP yoke and mullet. With the coil maybe being the missing or final piece. So you may as well go all in haha 👌🏼
I just got the Evo Pro. 1st ride was at the bike park. Second ride today was trails with a lot of climbing.
I could have bought a bunch of different bikes. I went with the Stumpy Evo because of the crazy adjustability.
It's a great trail bike!
This shock out right makes the bike feel AMAZING!! Ever since I got my bike I knew a coil shock would just make it perfect feeling on the type of trails I like to ride but was bummed out to know no shock on my budget was compatible at the time but when this came out and announced its compatibility I blindly just bought it straight away. ZERO regrets!! im in love with it.
thanks for doing this review, it just gave my the answer to finish my tunning setup for my shock! thanks
I love my evo not ready to try a coil yet but maybe in the future. Best bike I’ve ever ridden
I need a coil on my evo just need to find the spec and where to purchase!
@@ginogetsshreddy_mtb86 Watch the previous video, and or contact the lost co for the specs
@@ginogetsshreddy_mtb86you’d think a video from a bike shop would have a link to the exact shock to fit this bike.
Great review. Thanks 😊
anxiously waiting for part2
That shock is sick. I never lock out my shock.
Adding the Cascade link gave my EVO a coil-like feel with the stock Float X. Would love to see a bonus video on this.
Cheers boys! (Infinity in Poulsbo!) good videos for the SJ folks!
Recently picked up and installed the Cane Creek IL Valt coil. It is beyond amazing. I built up a new Trek Top Fuel. I’ve got a Pike ultimate up front at 130mm but the dps the frame came with was holding the bike back. Mike is right on, the top fuel feels more balanced and composed especially paired with the burlier fork. The 120 coil feels bottomless. Can’t recommend the coil enough
I just got this same shock installed on my bike recently and really noticed a difference in a positive way over my Fox Float X air shock I had. This thing just soaks things up so nicely
The cheap model of the fox float x came on my new Jekyll and that thing sucks .. and all I have is rebound adjustment and the climb switch.. on my e-bike I switch from the fox DPS to a rockshox ultimate coil and that was an insane increase in feel and performance
Man Mike, I’m envious! I miss riding the PNW. Rode coil on all of my bikes since 1994 starting with my GT RTS2. Until my most recent purchased bike an intense carbine expert spec’d with DVO air. Coil is in my future.
EXT does work. I ran one on my RS coil. It’s a super light SL spring so you will save some weight as well. Comes in 25lb increments i believe. The EXT office in the US helped me get the right one.
Great series, thanks! But wouldn’t it be nice to see how the other 2 “ approved “ shocks ride on the $t evo?
Great review so far! Would this be compareable/transferable to a levo gen 3? Concidering the coil conversion from my stock Fox float X :)
I have this shock on my SC Nomad V6. The HBO is amazing. Worlds better than my Fox DHX2 on my old Yeti 165. Never felt any bottom outs w 2 clicks of HBO till I came up short on a big boulder drop. I have 3 clicks and feels just as good w no bottoming out now.
Damn that dude rides!
So glad I watched this. Running this shock on a spire and didn’t even realize there was HSC. I guess I’ve been running it at 2 clicks. Thanks man lol. Love this shock on the spire.
That's like getting a free upgrade! Usually adding an adjustment like that costs hundreds of dollars 😂
great sound effects Mike
Mike is basically a sound board on wheels
-Tor
Great video thanks for clearing up different years of EVO.
I have a SJ EVO Ltd S5 2021 so current frame. Since this is stock mullet would same principles apply as full 29er.
Yes the same concepts should apply! The mullet link preserves all the geometry and suspension characteristics of the bike besides the wheel size so all of this should apply exactly the same to your mullet configuration!
-Tor
@The Lost Co. I have the Alloy Elite with .8 of volume reduction in the Float X. I have 29-30% sag in the rear and still bottom the rear out. Can you talk specifically on progression in comparison to the float X. I simply don't understand how this bike could be ridden with a coil and still have enough bottom out resistance. Thanks.
Mike can you please take it out to whistler to see how a long travel trail bike goes
I'm looking to pick one of these up but I want to make sure I end up with the right tune. Which shock tune did you go with? Thanks!
Can we get some thoughts on some techy rocky terrain?
Can you try a sprindex progressive coil? Is it needed?
What coil shocks work well with a Santa Cruz Megatower v2? So many overwhelming options with RS, Fox DHX2, Cane Creek Kitsuma, EXT Storia, MRP Hazzard, Ohlins TTX, etc....
I demoed the Super Deluxe Ultimate coil on my Megatower and really loved it! I'm debating buying a coil, and of course, which option if i do. Part of me says RS because it feels great and its easy to setup, and the slow climber in me wants a relatively lighter weight coil ie CC or EXT.
Does it jump any different with the coil spring compared to the air shock? My SJ Evo jumps great with the air shock, but my Meta AM jumps very differently depending on the coil shock or the air shock. My Meta AM jumps better with the air shock. Thanks.
What would you recommend for a better shock on a 2021 stump jumper alloy, 190x45
Formula springs are a lighter alternaive for RockShox springs
Nice Video. So do I understand right, that the RS Coil 2023 is ready for the Levo and Evo? On the Sram Side the information is confusing, because of the version with a steel shaft. Greetings from germany.
Yes the new 2023 RockShox Super Deluxe Coil is fully approved for both the Stumpjumper and the Levo!
-Tor
Having recently purchased an Evo frame, I am curious to see the real world difference between the stock, mullet, and Cascade links. I have also read where using spherical bushings on the shock is supposed to relieve some of the side loading stresses.
I just threw on the cascade link and it definitely feels more plush, even with a 75lb heavier spring on my coil. It does feel a little more bouncy on the climbs though
I watched your videos on the coil shock on the Stumpy Evo. I was interested in trying a coil on my 2021 Stumpy Evo also so I contacted my local bike shop to see what options they had because like you stated some shocks aren’t approved for this bike.
The shop told me they contacted Specialized and they said not to run “any” coil shocks on this bike?
No sure if the shop was correct or not. Thought I’d pass on the info.
Good Info, just one thing. Why are you walking up those lovely steps at the end with that coil on? riding up those steps would be the ultimate test.
Great video
Love the review. Can you elaborate a little on the theory of linear vs progressive frame suspension design and how it plays with coil spring which is linear? I heard stumpy is rather linear and therefore requires progressive spring
adjustable hydraulic bottom out would also be a feature that could help with a less progressive frame
I run my 2022 SJ Evo with the Mullet link. Can you test that set up with a coil? I believe the mullet link makes it less progressive… enjoying this series :)
I think you can buy the WRP mullet yoke to retain the same rear suspension performance as the 29er set up. I've seen people use that yoke and the cascade link combo that seem to like it.
HI, Great Video and narrative! The ride sounds so muted, are you on rear tire inserts?
I don't have any tire inserts right now, but the sounds of the trail were likely a bit quiet since I had the microphone up on my chest mount.
-Mike
Hey! Would this rear shock work for stumpjumper comp alloy 2022? Has a fox float evol right now.
Hey, what's the difference between the B1 and B1+
whats your bar length?
what trail is that? i'll be in bellingham in a month and that looked like a blast.
SST on Galbraith. It's an absolute classic!
can i install SUPER DELUXE ULTIMATE RC2T COIL SHOCK on my stumpy evo 2020? compatible?
I have a carbon Stevo with cascade link, ohlins coil and a fox factory 38 with 170mm travel and it is friggen awesome. A beast of an enduro bike, that's fast, handles amazing and pedals well. Only downside (if you consider it a downside) is the added weight.. but then the weight makes it even better on the way down.. so sickkkk Also to note: the ohlins has a lockout (of sorts) so I get no pedal bob when pedalling
Sounds like an almost perfect bike! If only we had a climb switch that made our bikes lighter for the climbs, I guess that's what chair lifts are for!
-Tor 😎
@@TheLostCo ha ha yes. Or they all so call that an ebike 😉
If I switch from the standard RS Super Deluxe Select+ air shock, do I need any additional mounting hardware?
No. You'll just have to remove the bushings from your current shock and mount it on the new one. reuse old hardware.
most likely you will need to buy new bushings in the eyelets - they wear out pretty easily, but it's not that hard and they don't cost much
Would the older RS deluxe ultimate coil without HBO be also ok in this bike? Or is HBO necessary here since the leverage ratio of Stumpjumper evo is quite linear at the end of the stroke.
Hey Vaclav! I ran a coil shock on a Stumpjumper Evo without the HBO and had no issues with it! I did try running a progressive spring which helped bring the bike to life in the mid stroke, but it works just fine with a regular spring on a coil shock without the HBO!
-Tor
@@TheLostCo Great! Thanks!
@@TheLostCo awesome, thanks
Having a coil on a specialized status 160 would that be the same as the stumpjumper evo.
Hey Immanuel! A coil on the Status 160 is definitely going to be different from the Stumpjumper Evo because they don't use the same shock stroke size or have the same amount of travel but the Status does have the progression to handle a coil shock! That same list of shocks that are compatible with the Stumpjumper Evo will also be compatible with your Status because they use a very similar yoke system to drive the shock.
Hope that clears things up!
-Tor
Put a Z1 coil upfront for the next video !
No fork is better than a Zeb. But you can put a Smashpot coil in the zeb and make it even better.
I just wish I could get the rockshox ultimate to fit on my trek rail without the piggy back hitting my frame. Rockshox > fox
Where is Part 3 already. Come on haha
We are all waiting quite and anticipative 😂
Gonna throw a cane creek db kitsuma coil on mine gonna screw around and post my discoveries. Thank you for the push. EDIT: 05/30 first ride on the coil was a night and day difference for the bike. Traction increase everywhere the kitsuma has an amazing climb switch that makes tricky climbs easier than the float x I'm open mode. When I pointed it downhill, I didn't feel the bottom out because of the progressivity gained from the progressive vault spring from cane creek. On a long sustained rock garden I felt way more control, more supple and more consistent rebound. If you have a stumpjumper/EVO/Levo and want to get a sick toolless adjustment shock look no further than the kitsuma
I was thinking about cascade link first but now I'm actually thinking about purchasing kitsuma first. I guess it would be best to get both.. are you riding it with standart link? What is the coil setup you ride so I have something to start with. Thanks
Mike can you please run the coil with a mullet setup, I have a 23 evo pro that came mullet and would like to run a coil! Cheers.
1st here🥳