Just to add further comment about these pliers, they are really intended for removing small screws with stripped out heads on equipment and appliances. Another really excellent product from Engineer is their solder sucker, you should really check that out. It's the best engineered solder sucker ever made!
I still feel that the PZ-58s got a bit of a raw deal in this video - I wish that the packaging had made it clearer that they were not to be used on wood screws. I hadn't realised that wood screws were made of harder metal than machine screws until after making this vid. In general I think that the Engineer Inc tools are excellent. I own eight different ones (but not the solder sucker), but these were the PZ-58s are the only one that made it onto film. Thanks for taking the time to stop by and comment. Cheers!!
I agree, not many would realise that humble screws would have such a secret! I knew that self tappers were hard but only discovered wood screws were when I needed to dismantle a wooden structure, and found I needed a tungsten carbide drill to remove the heads!! I now use a purpose made screw removal drill, that bites into the screw in reverse direction. Hex drive screws and bolts are also very hard! If you haven't discovered Engineer cable shears yet, I would try those too, also an excellent product.
Excellent video. I do think that people are using the wrong pliers for certain applications. The bigger, non spring loaded version of these pliers (PZ59) are probably better suited to remove those rusted outdoor screws where more power is needed versus those pz58 model you have which seem to be for lights duty applications. I'd love to see you test the pz59 then put it under the scope to see how the teeth hold up. Both my pz58 and pz59 are holding up great but mostly use the pz59 for tougher jobs.
Hi xXG.L.HXx - I feel that the PZ58s got a bit of an unfair review in this video. I'd been asked by Engineer Inc to take them around the garden and try them out on some rusty screws without being warned about self--tapping screws being made from a steel which is nearly as hard as the pliers themselves. Since I made this video, I've actually bought pretty much all of the other pliers that Engineer manufacture. The PZ59s are a great set of pliers and far more suitably for my general use pliers (which means that half the time they're going to get used as a hammer too). I'd like to do a review of the PZ59s, but at the same time, I don't want to damange my favorite pair of pliers just to see how far they can be pushed. Cheers!!
Jim Conner Actually, the Engineer webpage does warn against using ANY of their screw removal pliers on self tapping screws. I think you are on the ball here in that Engineer needs to better put that warning out there. Vampliers has been sending youtubers free samples and they should also put the word out as it will benefit them as well. Nice catch!
They updated the web page after I'd made this video (they were not particularly happy after they saw this video - I offered to take it down, but they said to leave it in place). Their website now say that the tool 'may not remove hardened screws' ... which is not quite the same as saying the the tool 'may become damaged if used to remove hardened screws', but I'll forgive them that as I like their tools in general. Cheers!!
Hi Jim, good to see ya.. Enjoyed the video as always. A bit unfortunate about the pliers teeth seeming to wear quickly though Jim. Having said that though I know that many self-tapping type screws are rather hard.. Sometimes case hardened with various coatings so even though your screws there were rusty there, the screw heads were likely still hard & perhaps rather sharp too. I remember many years ago as a noob mechanic trying to cut a small stainless self tapping screw with a brand new pair of Snap-On hinged bolt cutters, and I wrecked the teeth on them :( .. . It was not long after that, that we started to study material hardness etc, and an example used at one point IIRC was self tapping screws.. Snap-On still replaced the cutters though :) Cheers Jim, John
Hi John - I finally got around to ordering the bits to upgrade my PC so it doesn't stuggle with rendering 4K content so much (it was 50/50 whether the output file would play or not), and although the bits haven't arrived yet, I thought it was high time I dusted off the camcorder and got back into the swing of things. Yes - it is a real shame about the rapid wear on the jaws as that makes them not best suited to the screw removal job they're marketed for ... In every other way though, they're a very nice pair of pliers... comfortable in the hand, nice spring action, nice to look at and a very good size for use on the workbench... and the vertical ridges in the jaws seem to be very good for twisting bundles of wire together. If they'd been marketed as 'great for twisting wire bundles and getting out the occasional stubborn screw' then I'd have been totally happy with them. Cheers!!
Can you get a screw head that's only less than or about 1mm thick off with these pliers? My PS3 HDD has two totally stripped screws, and I can't get them off.
Yes - that should be do-able as long as you have enough space around the screw for the pliers to fir around it. The nose of the pliers will need to sit flat on the surface around the screw.. Not sure if I've explained that very well...What I'm trying to say is thati f you're trying to remove a screwhead with a 5mm diameter, you'll need around 12mm diameter space for the pliers to be able to get a good grip on it. Hope that helps. Cheers!!
Hi Patrick - Nice to see you again. Yes, they are more pricey than regular pliers, but they are very comfortable to hold and use. I actually ordered myself a pair of the larger PZ-59 pliers today which are destined to live with my workshop tools rather than with the electronics stuff. Cheers!!
They're good pliers, and the different groove pattern at the nose of the pliers is often useful for gripping axles and shafts etc. Engineer Inc were not happy about this video where I damaged the pliers when removing wood screws - If I'd known in advance that they were only suitable for certain types of screws, the review would have gone a lot differently, but I was only following what it said on the packaging - There was no warning about wood screws. Overall though, I really like the Engineer Inc products. I now own six different sets of pliers and cutters (all bought with my own money). Not sure about 'better than the others', but certainly better than any of the cheap ones and up there with the top brands. Hope that helps. Cheers!!
@@stevendouglas3860 Knipex have a very good reputation. If you want a set of pliers that are still going to be good in 20 years time, then Knipex are probably the choice... but having said that, the Engineer Inc ones have been good so far too. Those are the two brands I'd call out as being at the top, but for different reasons. Knipex mostly produce more heavyweight tools for use in the field, whereas Engineer Inc seem more focused on tools for the workbench. Cheers!!
Thanks omsonic - I'm very inclined to check out some of the other engineer inc tools. The pliers are very nice quality... far nicer than all my other tools. Just a shame the jaws aren't harder. Cheers!!
Hi Slot1Gamer - I've been wondering whether a normal pair of pliers would work the same way if I used a dremmel cutting disc and made a groove in the middle of the jaws... If it works, it would be a very easy mod for a small pair of electronics pliers for getting at tiny screws too. Cheers!!
If your an electronic engineer, then you would understand that PZ-58 is for light to medium application. As for outside, fences then you should have tried PZ-59.
I've got the PZ-59 too (and most of the other Engineer tools.. bought them a few months after making this video). What I didn't realise before I made this was that wood screws are hardened, whereas machine screws are not, and that was how I damanged the jaws on the pliers. If only they'd put some kind of warning on the packaging to let people know that the pliers were not suitable for wood screws then this review would have gone in a vastly different direction. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Cheers!!
@@jon123423 Quite the opposite... Engineer make some excellent quality tools, but you have to make sure you use them correctly. I now have two classes of pliers.. .the cheap ones (which get used as a hammer etc), and the Engineer ones which I use more selectively. The engineer pliers have a great grip pattern in the jaws that often comes in useful. I don't regret my purchases.
Just to add further comment about these pliers, they are really intended for removing small screws with stripped out heads on equipment and appliances. Another really excellent product from Engineer is their solder sucker, you should really check that out. It's the best engineered solder sucker ever made!
I still feel that the PZ-58s got a bit of a raw deal in this video - I wish that the packaging had made it clearer that they were not to be used on wood screws. I hadn't realised that wood screws were made of harder metal than machine screws until after making this vid. In general I think that the Engineer Inc tools are excellent. I own eight different ones (but not the solder sucker), but these were the PZ-58s are the only one that made it onto film. Thanks for taking the time to stop by and comment. Cheers!!
I agree, not many would realise that humble screws would have such a secret! I knew that self tappers were hard but only discovered wood screws were when I needed to dismantle a wooden structure, and found I needed a tungsten carbide drill to remove the heads!! I now use a purpose made screw removal drill, that bites into the screw in reverse direction. Hex drive screws and bolts are also very hard!
If you haven't discovered Engineer cable shears yet, I would try those too, also an excellent product.
Excellent video. I do think that people are using the wrong pliers for certain applications. The bigger, non spring loaded version of these pliers (PZ59) are probably better suited to remove those rusted outdoor screws where more power is needed versus those pz58 model you have which seem to be for lights duty applications. I'd love to see you test the pz59 then put it under the scope to see how the teeth hold up. Both my pz58 and pz59 are holding up great but mostly use the pz59 for tougher jobs.
Hi xXG.L.HXx - I feel that the PZ58s got a bit of an unfair review in this video. I'd been asked by Engineer Inc to take them around the garden and try them out on some rusty screws without being warned about self--tapping screws being made from a steel which is nearly as hard as the pliers themselves. Since I made this video, I've actually bought pretty much all of the other pliers that Engineer manufacture. The PZ59s are a great set of pliers and far more suitably for my general use pliers (which means that half the time they're going to get used as a hammer too). I'd like to do a review of the PZ59s, but at the same time, I don't want to damange my favorite pair of pliers just to see how far they can be pushed. Cheers!!
Jim Conner Actually, the Engineer webpage does warn against using ANY of their screw removal pliers on self tapping screws. I think you are on the ball here in that Engineer needs to better put that warning out there. Vampliers has been sending youtubers free samples and they should also put the word out as it will benefit them as well. Nice catch!
They updated the web page after I'd made this video (they were not particularly happy after they saw this video - I offered to take it down, but they said to leave it in place). Their website now say that the tool 'may not remove hardened screws' ... which is not quite the same as saying the the tool 'may become damaged if used to remove hardened screws', but I'll forgive them that as I like their tools in general. Cheers!!
@@Clickbaiters Especially considering Vampliers are rebranded (and differently coloured) Engineer pliers..
Your right, your not using this tool for the correct application.
Hi Jim, good to see ya.. Enjoyed the video as always.
A bit unfortunate about the pliers teeth seeming to wear quickly though Jim. Having said that though I know that many self-tapping type screws are rather hard.. Sometimes case hardened with various coatings so even though your screws there were rusty there, the screw heads were likely still hard & perhaps rather sharp too.
I remember many years ago as a noob mechanic trying to cut a small stainless self tapping screw with a brand new pair of Snap-On hinged bolt cutters, and I wrecked the teeth on them :( .. . It was not long after that, that we started to study material hardness etc, and an example used at one point IIRC was self tapping screws..
Snap-On still replaced the cutters though :)
Cheers Jim,
John
Hi John - I finally got around to ordering the bits to upgrade my PC so it doesn't stuggle with rendering 4K content so much (it was 50/50 whether the output file would play or not), and although the bits haven't arrived yet, I thought it was high time I dusted off the camcorder and got back into the swing of things.
Yes - it is a real shame about the rapid wear on the jaws as that makes them not best suited to the screw removal job they're marketed for ... In every other way though, they're a very nice pair of pliers... comfortable in the hand, nice spring action, nice to look at and a very good size for use on the workbench... and the vertical ridges in the jaws seem to be very good for twisting bundles of wire together. If they'd been marketed as 'great for twisting wire bundles and getting out the occasional stubborn screw' then I'd have been totally happy with them.
Cheers!!
Can you get a screw head that's only less than or about 1mm thick off with these pliers? My PS3 HDD has two totally stripped screws, and I can't get them off.
Yes - that should be do-able as long as you have enough space around the screw for the pliers to fir around it. The nose of the pliers will need to sit flat on the surface around the screw.. Not sure if I've explained that very well...What I'm trying to say is thati f you're trying to remove a screwhead with a 5mm diameter, you'll need around 12mm diameter space for the pliers to be able to get a good grip on it. Hope that helps. Cheers!!
Nice to see you Jim!
Thanks Marc - It's nice to be back. Cheers!!
Cool, Jim! Good to see you, Buddy!
Thanks Keith - Hope you're well. I spent a few hours in the greenhouse today, so there's another video coming soon. Cheers!!
The pliers look good and will things that other pliers cannot do. I think that they a bit pricey .
Hi Patrick - Nice to see you again. Yes, they are more pricey than regular pliers, but they are very comfortable to hold and use. I actually ordered myself a pair of the larger PZ-59 pliers today which are destined to live with my workshop tools rather than with the electronics stuff. Cheers!!
Is there going to be a garden gate repair video coming up? Maybe when the weather is a bit warmer :-)
Hi Eicles - There's certianly going to be a repair, but given how slack I've been at making videos lately, I'm not promising I'll film it. Cheers!!
Would you recommend Engineer pliers
Screw undo?
Cutting cable ? Is it better than others
They're good pliers, and the different groove pattern at the nose of the pliers is often useful for gripping axles and shafts etc. Engineer Inc were not happy about this video where I damaged the pliers when removing wood screws - If I'd known in advance that they were only suitable for certain types of screws, the review would have gone a lot differently, but I was only following what it said on the packaging - There was no warning about wood screws. Overall though, I really like the Engineer Inc products. I now own six different sets of pliers and cutters (all bought with my own money). Not sure about 'better than the others', but certainly better than any of the cheap ones and up there with the top brands. Hope that helps. Cheers!!
@@ThingsWhichArentWork that's interesting. Can I ask in your opinion what brand ? Do you think produce high quality pliers. Thanks Jim for your advice
@@stevendouglas3860 Knipex have a very good reputation. If you want a set of pliers that are still going to be good in 20 years time, then Knipex are probably the choice... but having said that, the Engineer Inc ones have been good so far too. Those are the two brands I'd call out as being at the top, but for different reasons. Knipex mostly produce more heavyweight tools for use in the field, whereas Engineer Inc seem more focused on tools for the workbench. Cheers!!
@@ThingsWhichArentWork well that was an unstaged field test and not a studio advertising. That was interesting.
The Engineer Solder sucker is in saintly good imo.
Thanks omsonic - I'm very inclined to check out some of the other engineer inc tools. The pliers are very nice quality... far nicer than all my other tools. Just a shame the jaws aren't harder. Cheers!!
Good to see a vid from you Jim
Thanks Dan - There should be another hydroponics video later today too. Cheers!!
Excellent
Great review. Really good.
Thanks Ted. Hope you're doing well. I'm starting planting strawberries this weekend. Cheers!!
wish they made some for the tiny screws used in phones, although I doubt that's even possible seeing as most are not much larger than 2 gains of sand
Hi Slot1Gamer - I've been wondering whether a normal pair of pliers would work the same way if I used a dremmel cutting disc and made a groove in the middle of the jaws... If it works, it would be a very easy mod for a small pair of electronics pliers for getting at tiny screws too. Cheers!!
Pz-57 can remove smaller electronic screws, try those!
Great vídeo thanks,very good tool 👌👌👌
Top pliers review.
Thanks Adam. Cheers!!
Top review
If your an electronic engineer, then you would understand that PZ-58 is for light to medium application. As for outside, fences then you should have tried PZ-59.
I've got the PZ-59 too (and most of the other Engineer tools.. bought them a few months after making this video). What I didn't realise before I made this was that wood screws are hardened, whereas machine screws are not, and that was how I damanged the jaws on the pliers. If only they'd put some kind of warning on the packaging to let people know that the pliers were not suitable for wood screws then this review would have gone in a vastly different direction. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Cheers!!
@@ThingsWhichArentWork so its not worth buying?
@@jon123423 Quite the opposite... Engineer make some excellent quality tools, but you have to make sure you use them correctly. I now have two classes of pliers.. .the cheap ones (which get used as a hammer etc), and the Engineer ones which I use more selectively. The engineer pliers have a great grip pattern in the jaws that often comes in useful. I don't regret my purchases.
Vampliers rebrand?
They certainly look like the same thing to me.
Same company.