why everything good is ugly in fashion
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- These collections, where you ask yourself..what is this?? Am I not avantgarde enough to understand and celebrate this or is it simply bad? In this video we have a look into the origins of the so called "ugly style", where it comes from and the most important part, what it actually means to decide to walk the path of the UGLY.
Maison Margie's Artisanal 2024 show by John Galliano was a little reminder for all of us, what it actually means to choose the ugly. Of course we are not running around it Haute Couture, but instead choose very specific forms, shapes and colours which reflect our inner self, which in conclusion is ugly when compared to the poor common sense of beauty.
We are all ugly lol.
What do you understand under the term ugly in fashion?
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Yes! Well said, Tuba! And nobody complains when a movie isn't beautiful. A movie is a work of art, and it should make us feel something. But for some reason, people don't think about fashion the same way. So many people think that the purpose of fashion is to look beautiful, or handsome in the case of men, but fashion is a form of artistic expression, and it can express so much more than beauty. It can disrupt the way people think, it can evoke a strong emotional reaction, it can make us uncomfortable and challenge our assumptions.
It's because majority of ppl don't think about fashion as art, since the first comment under every post from a fashion show with "weird" designs is - what a dumb design who is going to wear it??
ppl look for practicality and movies aren't palpable ofc so to them something like this "but cinema is art" argument isn't really an argument
my art teacher once asked me a question about my work which made me think and reflect. She asked “What’s the difference between purity and rawness?”.
I like to think that purity only emphasizes one aspect, it filters out other parts that can be deemed less desirable.
On the other hand rawness is about looking at everything just for how it is. Every single thing without holding judgement. The ugly, the beauty, the imperfections.
I absolutely adore this video and the points you made :)
The ugliness we gravitate towards in fashion I think contains a space where we are able to hold both values and not single out one against the other. It can be both beautiful AND ugly and the same time. It can makes us feel happy AND sad at the same time. It can feel uplifting AND depressing at the same time. it can be both comforting AND disturbing. the and-ness is that ugly beauty blend that as you said, reflects the real-ness of reality, of life :) thank you for sharing your video ❤
This is a beautiful discussion of the issues as I see them, so I really connected with it. Thank you for sharing 😊
i fear dressing off-beauty meta is strictly a flex for whoever fits the body ideals of an era only, michaela stark is exception proving the rule to me
Very few people can afford the luxury of ugliness.
someone who's body is not considered the ideal wearing some of these looks would just be looked down apon. it's really sad even when trying to pull off those looks it's just never perceived as anything else than goofy or homelessnes
Or could be bothered by the pretentiousness of it all..sorry, but I don't buy it. If you want to look ugly you can thrift it for nothing. Paying a fortune for it is just plain pretentious imo. Looking deliberately ugly is something a stunning model can get away with because of the interesting juxtaposition of beauty. Celebrating the ugly is such a first world thing to do. Ask any impoverished person if they would willingly look ugly...
@@franceshanna3724agree. It’s ok to be conscious about that, that fashion is pretentious and so just laugh and have fun. Instead some people want to think too deep when there’s none
@@meladversityNah..
The ones who get it, get it- and an appreciative on-looker will only applaud the wearer on executing such fine styling skill.
Like , Hogette the farmer, Maa the ewe and (eventually😮💨) Rex the alpha sheep dog from that film Babe.
Real recognized real.
The piglet in that film had no business roaming the farm fields of those sheep herding contests; he didn't have " a body that is considered ideal" for such role " he was a whole piglet, and not a border collie.
But that same piglet was eating it up commanding sheep to move to the left and to the right and separate themselves by colour.
And you know what @meladversity? In that farm animal kingdom, Babe did go on to disrupt social order.
In a l reality designed only meant for sheep dogs to exist- babe got respected a s a sheep PIG 🐖🐷
The ones who get it get and will applaud skillful art work bestoed before their eyes
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#BabeTheSheepPig #MucciaPrada #UglyTabiBoots
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@@franceshanna3724Exactly.
Fashion shows are wonderfully freaky. The boutiques sell you a tamed version that you can actually wear on the street. But brands lose money so to finance their dreams, they resort to more affordable cosmetics, perfume and accessories. The example is a relative newcomer, Victoria Beckam, bleeding money. It is what it is. C’est comme ça, pas d’illusions.
I think with this video you cracked it wide open!!! The way you express what is happening in fashion is both intellectually beautiful and ugly at the same time!!! ( no pun intended) and thank goodness you are real in thought. Love your channel ❤❤
"cliassical beauty is naiive" TUBA IS A GENIUS
I LOVE the kids in the intro(speaks my heart)! Your storytelling is so good today(AI next level).
Such a great analysis on this topic, thank you Tuba for sharing your thoughts with us!
My favourite video in a while! Thank you
So true. And it has been true for some of us who is older for many, many years.
is growing !!!!!!!! so excited for you!!
the therapist session I didn't know I needed, putting feelings into words, amazing analysis
At 12:10, you perfectly articulate why I love Yohji so much. Awesome channel and community btw, the comments are always insightful as well.
Very interesting concept. You explained it so well. I enjoyed this video a lot. Thanks ❤
Tuba’s philosophy always pierce through me❤❤❤ Love youuu
I am so happy I found your channel.
great points, great references and examples. thanks for the vid.
Thank you!! 🥹💖
that margiela show still haunts me 💀
Can you please tell me which show it is exactly? Thanks yo much!
@@holosapiens Margiela artisanal collection 2024
What haunts you abt it?
I loovvvveee it
I just love your videos, and your outlook on fashion and individuality / uniqueness New subscriber 🙏❤️
Increíble análisis. Thank you tuba . You really give us a good way to understand our time . We need people like you to see What we need to see our world .
you always have the best endings to your videos
In every video your hair are on point, very good styling
Why is Gen Z using the word Gatekeeping as a negative, yet in the same breath using cultural appropriation as a negative as well. Is sharing cultures and talents a good thing or nah?
So deep and I love it ❤
I wish we would stop labelling things as core this and core that… it is just so ridiculously definitive!!! For me it’s all about creating friction and inspiring a real questioning in my own mind every day when I choose what I feel like wearing! These brilliant designers are at pains to inspire the global audience to really think about the daily act of covering our vulnerable bodies… it’s about friction and function. The experience of living is about finding beauty in items that are functional and practical and thankfully now ethical but also about constantly questioning and being curious and asking ourselves what is true beauty. It is not about the elitism inferred by perfectionism… Prada’s chic like Margiela’s is a powerful questioning of current values it is certainly not ugly, it is about comfort function, practicality and now ethical production. Prada’s clothes have always been perceived as beautiful but by a thoughtful audience… who are are constantly questioning and curious 👀
Absolutely! Day-to-day beauty is conventional by definition. In order to innovate fashion, you have to ignore convention and, therefore, normalized beauty as well.
Ugh Tuba, my professor in pain❤ thank you for an amazing break down
I believe shoes with a tapered toe box originally had a purpose. It allowed the wearer to place their foot in a horse saddle stirrup easier. And since we aren’t riding this way any longer, I love a shoe that rejects that aesthetic and puts the ease of the wearers gait first.
Hey thank you for the distribution of information, could you please link the interviews and persons cited in the bio ? This would make your work even more helpful to me. Have a nice day
Great video tuba
this was pure heat
A mighty ....OMG.....explosion has just happened in my brain. Brilliant unpicking of how corrosive chasing the beauty train is ....one thing that comes to mind is the 'it' bag phenomenon which changes every season but if you don't have it .....well!
Love!
It was a disturbingly beautiful show. I’d love to live in a world where we can dress how we truly want.
This was interesting!
“Beauty is a dream” the aspirational aspect is no 1 for most brands, esp. heritage brands… embody our brand & maybe one day you’ll be good enough? Asjsksjsksjsk also “anything that stands for anything is valuable” 👏👏👏
*THERE IS ANOTHER POINT* everyone can wear ugly - you can only wear beautiful is you have 1) the perfect body to pull it off or 2) the money to have it made bespoke so it looks good on YOUR body.
There is a huge barrier to entry on classically beautiful.
Yes, creating ugly fashion but making young beautiful bodies model it....yea ok I get it...but no I don't. That's the only thing that never ever changes.
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love
reminds me of the lumps and bumps show from CDG
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Tuba I would really like to know what you think about beate karlsson an her brand avavav.. incl,. The fashion show of course 😊😊
Well explained, however, in English the item is a corset not a corsage.
1:04 TUBA WE ARE ON THE PRECIPCE
I remember wearing tabi shoes in the mid 90s (in a martial arts context). A few times after training, someone would say "why don't we just walk out on the street wearing them". We never did though :( .
I cried after I watched this show, I highly recommend watch it from the ppl who attended the show, because the later online update has different BGM, it feels so different, I much prefer the BGM from the actual show. Btw. I have never cried after watching any fashion shows before 😅
Thanks you for your job. Bytheway i dont need luxury of ugliness or horror 😳😂😂
Hieronimus Bosch was perhaps doing a bit of the same?
Hieronymus Bosch held up a mirror to the ugliness of society. He would have found the idea of people celebrating the ugly because they are beautiful or wealthy enough to do it, also ugly.
damn how u know that@@franceshanna3724
Imagine how entitled some artists are when they found something "rare" or "lost in times" within the history of certain cultures as part of their design inspiration and instruments for their artworks, and then commodified it to the masses for your own upcoming and financial gains. Yet, at the moment your profile and works became mainstream (trendy), you getting mad at it just because those pieces that you produced "not special" anymore.
Like, why do they have to show it in the first place if they hate it will become popular and appreciated by commoners.
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everyone has such good comments 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
linda evangelista 🔥
I guess Vera Wang falls into this category too
Does John Galliano prefer to be known as Margiela?
Ngl. Kinda drunk. Best typo ever haven’t looked you up in a while
Maison Margiela is really just celebrating the power of the spectacle. These fashion shows are just a consumerist tactic. Know one will ever by these ugly garments of course, too ugly, ridiculous and expensive, and MM knows it. But at least the consumer will perceive the brand as cool enough to want to buy the next best thing, a pair of shoes, a bag, or for us mere plebs, a $200 perfume, which btw are all pretty tame in comparison.
*I FIND THE "PRADA" LOGO* on your neckline intensely ugly and Im not saying that to be a sh!t - I'm saying it to highlight your point - beauty is incredibly subjective.
I do not put any labels on the clothes I create - I find labels intensely ugly as a thing, as a concept. They represent the worst of capitalism to me, the commodification of humans and to have one on your neck is like wearing a slave collar to me. But that's me and I don't count, except to people who know me, and if you know me I might make something for you...
you mean corset not corsage....
no, corsage is the proper French word
Ah yes the Tabis. The camel toe boots
Sounds snobby.
Maybe i am a snob??
@@tubaavalon maybe you can't tell the difference between talking about the video and taking things personally??????
And it is, and it's ok😊
I will continue watching later, now I am busy. But I think its not true at all that we are "freed out as you claim in the beginning": the freedom you talk about is only there in specific cultures and urban surroundings. And even there, its not common f.ex. that men wear bras, skirts, dresses, high heels etc. its not common that woman can go in the same way free as men with their upper body there are still strong issues: swimming without covering their breasts and nipples already is a problem, so lets not talk about doing it in summer casually somewhere else. People are harassed and beaten up and even killed oder put in prisons for wearing not appropriate for society officially or by the other humans, so which freedom are you talking about? Also we have money-issues: not everyone can wear as they want because its not affordable. Its a very Eurocentric, western perspective -and its not involving feminist or intersectional feminists aspects neither...imagine f.ex. a men working as an constructor comes across with lingerie after work. It would be a problem in most societies.
Because it is art. High fashion dislike mainstream, they love to challenge everyone’s taste.
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I disagree with Tuba and other commentators. Classical beauty is not unrealistic. It is rare and hard to attain, it is achieved only by a few, and it is physical, whether the clothes or the human body. That is good. It's called standards. Without standards, without classical beauty there is no such thing as beauty. If everyone/everything is beautiful then nothing is. Some left wing people want beauty to be erased, because they hate standards, because they can't meet the standards. Communism/Islamic fundamentalism are left wing ideologies which cancel beauty in all its forms, art, people, music, fashion. Before we embrace "ugliness" lets be aware of left wing agendas, not in this video but certainly in Western culture. The Margeila/Prada aesthetic is NOT UGLY. There are not anti classical beauty, they are simply variations of classical beauty, the colors, the shapes are still beautiful, but different, based on a true understanding of classical beauty - to break the rules, you must first understand them. Truly ugly clothes would be the communist uniforms of Maoist China, erasing gender and the fundamentalist Islamic dress code erasing femininity.
Although I can see where you're coming from with your second part of the comment, there are people whom find those standards to be ugly. That's where your point starts to be less true. Standards are rooted in cultural atrocities, whether you're left wing or not. Beauty is subjective. I hope one day you will stop spewing elitist stuff like this. Beauty is literally one of the origins of bullying, and it affects conventionally beautiful people as well. Like, the issue isn't only the standard, it's also the fact that we hold the value of others on said standard and we pushed it on cultures that had their own standard before getting into contact with whaterver European colonisers. And it shifts so much over the centuries that, at this point, can we even consider it to be a standard? I genuinely think we should stop using standards in this day and age unless it's needed for medical purposes and other scientific stuff. There are people whom get misdiagnosed just because they're overweight, is that ok? I hope you agree with me that it's not, that's malpractice derived from a standard.
How is Islam a left wing ideology?
it shares so much in common with communism, fascism and Naziism ( both are subgroups of communism ) as they all believe in authoritarian rule, and any deviation of the rules is met with brutal even fatal force. The idea that right wing means dictatorship is wrong. It simply means traditional values ie Christianity which was opposed by anti Christian communism/fascism/Naziism. The left wing politically in the West is always anti Christian. Islam is also anti Christian, as they were originally a Christian denomination then became a separate religion. Christianity at its core is the individual beholden only to God, not the rule of men, which is what communism, fascism and naziism, is about men rule men and there is no God, and Islamic fundamentalist is a group of men representing God's authority by electing themselves and there is no individual relationship with God. @@franceshanna3724
I can relate in terms of how one speaks - are all regional dialects equal? I do not think so, yet do realize the expressiveness & joy of many dialects. Some standards reek of classic, which does bother me. A conundrum.
CLASSISM - damn spellf--k
Well..bravo Avalon 🥲 this one truly reached me to my core 🥀🫢
Kisses from England 🤗💕 keep up the beautiful work! x x x
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Tuba this was an incredible analysis and aided my research in such a profound way. I’d like to pose a question to your audience since everyone in the comments has such unique perspectives:
What do all aesthetic experiences have in common?
Anyone’s responses are greatly appreciated and I love the conversations I’m seeing 🤍💭