I suspect that she actually loved Credence more than just a friend and when he most likely dies in the next fantastic beasts she blames his death on the Dumbledores. Her loss mixed with blaming them and then her madness stuck as a snake I bet she thought that by trying to help Voldemort it might give her revenge on the Dumbledores combined with loosing her humanity stuck in the snakes mind
After she permanently transformed he was the only person who she could travel to who she could have a conversation with. So she was in isolated confinement till she met him.
When under Imperio, one's "Moral Compass" gets totally dodged & bypassed... getting permanently stuck in a Animal Body with a Animal Brain could conceivably have a comparable effect. The higher I.Q. & Cognitive parts of Human Nagini wouldn't be able to fit or operate in a Snake Brain so thus could be permanently lost. It's hard to tell if Human Nagini & Perma-Snake Nagini can even be regarded as the same entity...
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 that's true. Plus, Sirius was an animagus, which tells me that, as an animagus, the only reason said witch or wizard has any control at all is because it's a transformation that you undertake willingly, vs a malediction is a curse that you do not choose, and as such, can eventually take over you.
Well so snakes seem a little ‘smarter’ than dogs in the universe.. I mean parceltounge signifies that snakes were able to create a language which then certain wizards can have access to, which is unlike other animals.
I think he may have promised to give her a human body again, as long as she did his bidding. When she saw he had a human body again, it sealed the deal. She became his horcrux and servant without question.
I think her "Evil" disposition is a combenation of living as a serpent for decades with her humanity deteriorating with every passing year and Voldemort encouraging said behavior.
I think it was a little bit of both. First it reminds me of Remus Lupin, in his werewolf form he’s pure beast “willing to kill his best friend…” unable to control his actions but, if I remember right, he still knew/remember what he done in that form. Nagini unfortunately remained in beast mode, forever thinking like a snake which made it easier for Voldemort, a parsaltongue, to befriend her which led to her going dark
I'm going to throw my hat in the ring. I don't think she was ever evil. If she turned into a snake and not changing back to human my theory is her brain probably switched to only reptile brain which is very hunter instinct. It's more of a snake brain mixed with Tommy's tongue that made her what she was at the end
That’s where my thinking leads me. Sirius also said HIS thoughts were simpler as a dog, so I’d imagine when she fully changed, she went full snake brain. Then I’d imagine when she became a horcrux it turned her evil
I don't think Nagini is evil, instead I think she doesn't have a choice. Here's why I say this. Remember in the second book/movie right before Harry found out he was a parseltongue? When Malfoy summoned the Cobra he told the snake not to attack Justin Finch-Fletchley. The snake obeyed, despite its clear indication that it was ready to strike Justin. So, I think having parseltounge gives the person the ability to not only speak to snakes, but to control them to a degree.
In the first book he learns that there is a wake. talking to a snake at the zoo. As for control I do not think like you. I find it interesting. But I have doubts whether the theory is true and why do I think it is not so? Morfin. wind the snake for Morphine because it will nail to the door. there is already one snake hanging, which means he was not obedient
I don’t think Harry had control of the snake, he was simply telling the snake not to attack but the snake kept edging & looking back at the boy, giving Snape enough time to disintegrate it
I agree. Looking back at Dumbledore’s memory of meeting Tom in the orphanage, Tom says blatantly he can control animals without training them. I don’t know if being a parseltongue in and of itself made that possible, but definitely I agree it had something to do with it
Harry had many dark thoughts. But he was too pure to be completely swayed by it. That's what earned Dumbledores love of Harry. Just look at how Dumbledore greeted him in death. Dumbledore hoped that Harry, might maybe, possibly do what he did. He had a hope of a hope.
I feel like Grindlewald did something to Nagini after the events of Crimes of Grindlewald to ensure Credence could only be loyal to him as he had a strong connection to Nagini and would've sided with her over him when it came to it.
The other horcruxes have an evil aura about them that effects the mood and thoughts of anyone who handles it for any extended amountof time. Harry is the only one who does not and the only one that did not spend a significant amount of time in voldemort's possession immediately before and after the horcrux charm. Perhaps there is a connection there.
When a maledictus is stuck as their animal form they loose their ability to think as a human, which most likely means they also loose all memory they had as a human as they are now stuck as a beast. Nagini becoming evil is most likely due to that fact that her snake mind is following the orders of someone who can talk to her. Also due to the fact that her lifespan isn't shortened, much like an animagus, Voldemort probably saw it as an advantage as he could keep her around without worrying about her dying of old age
It's too bad that Nagini wasn't able to (or chose not to) stay with Newt and his other beasts in a safe haven, having positive interaction with humans.
Harry, when he became a Horcrux, also was under the protection spell from his mother at the same time. Wouldn't it be more possible that he would had turned evil, if he hasn't had that protection?
That's if the protection actually exists. Lily could not possibly be the first mother to die for her child nor the first mother to love her child. It's never fully explained in the books or movies so I don't think it was truly love that saved Harry.
@@AzmodaeusSternit most definitely did exist hence Harry being able to come back to life and ended up putting his own protection on everyone defending hogwarts through the same sacrifice. Also I doubt she was the first but the most famous case of the protection working
When Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, he intended to make Lilly a horcrux. That would honor Snape request to save her while making her "unclean" with the Dark Lords soul. When he ended up killing Lilly and the curse rebounded, the already started Horcrux creating spell had begun and was completed by making Harry the unintended vessel.
Video idea for you to do: What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
imagine being lonely for decades ,then here comes tom ridle who is clever at using flattery and feining understanding, playing on her lonliness and there you have it
OOOh, this is an idea I had never thought about, very interesting. racking my brain here, did anyone other than Albus and Aberforth know that Nagini was a maladictus? I mean in the Harry at Hogwarts timeline.
A maledictus gradually loses the ability to think like a human - that's why they become trapped as a beast. It is the human mind which controls the transformation, from person to beast and back to person. There comes a point where the human mind has slipped away so much that all there is left is a beast; lacking the capacity or even memory of how to change back. When this happened to Nagini, the whisper of the woman was trapped for short while before she disappeared altogether. Nagini the woman was effectively dead by the time Voldemort came along. The beast retained vestiges of the woman such as intelligence higher than other snakes, and a name, but that's all the dark wizard interacted with. A serpent. Nagini, and the beast with the same name, were two different beings.
Great video as always! Could you please dive into this question; why wasn’t the horcroux inside Harry destroyed when he got bitten (and poisoned) in the chamber of secrets?
I disagree with you. Having a friendly relationship with an evil person, doesn't have to turn you into evil yourself. Just like Buffy and Spike, wrong franchise I know but still an example. No I think it had two stages: 1.Losing the love of her life Aurelius. The only one she could have called a friend until his condition killed him. 2.Once the curse took over. She was forced to live possibly 5 or 6 decades without someone to talk with and lost any shade of humanity within her until she met Voldemort. That is horrible and probably drove her mad to the point when she said to herself- "Why should I be good? What good gave to me? Screw everything and everyone." And once she met him she regained purpose in life, even if it's a life as a Snake. He must have promised her that he will revert her back to human once they win. So if he did I think she felt obligated which donated to her being evil.
I think your theory has merits, it is a very good theory but I know what it's like to be left alone, in iso, you yearn for company, and you get desperate, so you become friends with anyone just so that you have someone to talk to. I've been in iso for a few months since my mum became immunocomprimised, i can still see people, and iso is still driving me crazy, you want to be company with anyone. And I've just been like that for a few months. Imagine what it's like for DECADES. You would get desperate and lonely and driven mad until you finally find a person who understands you, who talks with you and doesn't just ghost you because you are in iso. It's hard.
You're sort of assuming his argument is incorrect based on a premise he never states. I don't think the argument here is that Nagini became evil because she had a relationship with Voldemort, but instead because of the content of that relationship. I think your point is actually part of his argument. Nagini's isolation coupled with the terrible acts and the terrible thoughts and opinions Voldemort likely shared with her, would have made Nagini evil over the years. Like a small sampling of a drug leading to an addiction.
@@lookingforarlandria in hindsight after reading the message a second time you are kind of correct, he is kind of basing off the argument that HP theory said.
@@gorgeousgranger5991 First of all sorry to hear about your mom man. 2nd- I know what it's like to be lonely. I was couple of years in my life and I know it's driving crazy. I think this was the main reason not Voldemort. And he said the main reason is Voldemort. That is why I disagreed with him.
I would like to see a video on how Nagini's family came to carry the blood curse. Or, if info is thin on the ground, a video on how all the known families with a blood curse came to be inflicted with their curse.
Often in fantasy literature the form someone assumes starts to dominate their mind. After Nagini turned into a snake she finally found someone that talked to her like a human. She had most likely been isolated for so long that she would have done anything for human companionship.
Risky video considering we’ll find out sometime. Credibility on the line here. Having said that I watch all your videos and agree with basically everything you say. Keep up the good work haha
I think you are very right when you say that Nagini became evil because she had someone to talk to. I know a similar situation. I have been in iso for several months now (family member is immunocomprimised so it is very likely they will die if they get covid) and I can tell you it gets very lonely, you do anything for company with someone, and I'm not even completely isolated. I still have my family so I can't even begin to fathom how Nagini felt. She probably would have been driven into madness way before Voldemort came. I've been in iso for a few MONTHS and I can still see my friends, and I'm already starting to go slightly crazy, maybe I'll have random times where I just get angry, but it must be 100 times worse for Nagini.its sad
I believe Nagini was more serpent in her serpent form than she was human. We’re talking about changing the shape and size of a human brain into a serpent brain. It’s like apples and oranges.
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A person or an animal becoming a Horcrux will end up living forever if not killed. Voldemort persuaded Nagini to become Horcrux and in the meantime gain some time to find a way to revert the curse. Nagini agreed. He followed Voldemort for various reasons: she had years to communicate with someone, she was flattered by the possibility to live forever as a Horcrux and she was persuaded by a super powerful dark Lord that her curse would revert. In addition to all this, Voldemort shared with her the secret that he at least made one Horcrux, her. This enhanced her persuasion as it includes some sort of emotion by him.
I don’t think Nagini was evil. She was a snake, perhaps with more sentience than most, but a snake nevertheless. Even the snake in the zoo (SS/PS) could “talk” to Harry, but we didn’t even think to call it “good” or “evil”. Like any pet, Nagini was happy to do the bidding of her master in order to please him and gain acceptance and approval. Voldemort was indeed a psychopath and sociopath-evil. I blame her actions on him, not on any inherent or learned evilness of her own.
I think Nagini was just a snake and lost all her humanity as she became more and more serpent-like. Serpents aren't evil, they're snakes. And they do what snakes do.
I blame the franchise for not giving us more clarity on this, we waited all that time for the 3rd film, only to find out she wasn't in the cast. The movie suffered for it, not sure what direction its going in tbh. This story line had so much potential to be great but movies as of late just dont seem to be as compelling as 10-12 years ago. Retconing spells and bits of information that conflict with the original is just malpractice. Hopefully they can conclude Albus and Newts story well enough to be rewatchable.
I’d say being trapped as a snake made her angry. However, on its own would not have made her evil. I believe it was her relationship with Voldemort. That was her true, turning point, as far as when she became evil. Even before he turned her into a Horcrux. That only made matters much worse.
I think when she became a snake forever She slowly started to think like one and they kill with no remorse when upset or Aggravated, on meeting Voldemort talking to him she could get worse
i believe you are looking at this one sidewise. was nagini evil? or just an animal? as several said, she probably lost her human thought process after the years as a snake. and voldy could of just been saying "eat, you are hungry , i brought you food" and i do believe being the horcrux soured her a bit... after all she was one for a lot longer than harry
As a cold blooded creature/tropical snake, how could she survive in Bulgaria? And boas/anacondas do not have venom. Sure, they bite, but they kill by constriction. This never made sense to me
In my own opinion, doesn’t have to be the fact, I think she just became a cold-hearted woman and gave up the idea of ever finding a cure for the maldictious (sorry I spelled it wrong). Being heartbroken and pretty much living in a cruel environment, Nagini just turned away from humanity and shot-down the idea of love ever again. Voldemort- I’m going to call him V for this comment- to her she would feel envious for not being able to feel love. Nagini couldn’t stand it nor ever wants to find one. I guess V gives her respect and loyalty in the Wizarding World. Whatever that can make her useful as a snake, V gave her the opportunity of not being anything but worthless or weak. She has been looking out for herself, but V became someone she can live for: protecting his soul and never be looked as anything worthless or a show of entertaining as a pet.
I think with nagini, to some extent, her curse doesn’t just physically alter her, but mentally does. It alters her perception, brings out those primal animalistic urges that wouldn’t be there if she was still ‘human’.
Yeah, I think so too. Besides, snakes kill to feed and to defend themselves. It surely must have a negative effect upon the mind and soul to give in repeatedly to animalistic urges to end another life in order to preserve their own.
I don't think she ever really became evil, because it's quite well understood that if animagi stay too long in their animal forms they actually lose some of their human cognitive abilities, and even more so for maledictus who are permanently stuck in that animal form and lose their 'human' self. So if we were to assume she met voldemort when she was already a snake all the time... then that just means a snake being told what to do (in a language they understand) by their owner. More of an unfortunate circumstance to me.
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In the lore, male maledicti lose their humanity as they lose their ability to transform and are locked into their animal forms, but I wonder if it is the pure result of the curse, or if it is the psychological and social factors of no longer being able to interact with other humans that leads to a such a change in personality. Could it be either/or, a bit of both, the latter being a catalyst to the former?
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I've imagined lately that there was some reason for her to want to protect Riddle at first, and by the time she realized just how evil he was, it was too late. Perhaps her transformations into a snake specifically came from being a descendent of Salazar Slytherin, and she saw Riddle as family, and thus someone to protect and watch over. Eventually, it becomes an abusive relationship from which she can't bring herself to leave, because she's too tightly tied to Voldemort through the fragment of her soul trapped in her body. Slowly, the connection drives her completely mad, the woman's personality retreating behind the instincts of the snake in order to protect what remains of her consciousness from the horrible things she's forced to do.
I always wondered if she was animagus. With the curse. And with Voldemort tricked her to turn into the snake. More she turned losing control of turning back because of the curse. Like Helena he tricked everyone. And because he was pretty much only one who could talk to her sealing her fate . Placing a horcrux in her. She felt angry where he pulled at her memories of being a sideshow attraction. And telling her he understands being mistreated.
Imagine if she would have met Harry instead, a young boy, resembling Credence. I wonder if she would have remembered her human thoughts and feelings, that is fascinating to think, what do you guys think? Could she have been saved?
i do agree with your theory. nagini most likely was evil before meeting voldemort because she didn’t get along with regular people, plus she went to isolate herself so she was probably mad at the world, right?
a mixture of revenge (on Mr Arkansas through the cage we saw ) being desperate and opportunist when Voldemort came by . she escaped with credence so stayed with him . She can't cope with Voldemort being dead so horcrux vessel fits for contribution , question does horcrux get damaged if she got magically ill ?
At first I was agreeing with the comments about Nagini losing her human thoughts and has snake brain and can't really control attacking people. However in that case why wouldn't she have attacked Voldemort in the woods? Snakes attack anything they feel threatened by and anything that is food. And if it's because of his parseltongue controlling her then why wouldn't Harry be able to control the snake trying to attack him in the chamber of secrets? So I definitely feel like there was some kind of convincing that happened and maybe Nagini had more cognitive ability than we think
I was hoping Fantastic Beasts 2-5 would answer the question over time, but unfortunately, they half-assed the second one, quarter-assed the third (without even putting her in it), and we're not likely to get four and five.
Calling Nagini a pet seems wrong to me. People like their pets, Voldemort is not able to feel love so she is not really his pet. She is just a vesseI. I think she is more likely to be his slave to him.
Just a thought, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, if Hermione and Ron new that Nagini was a maladiscus and used to be a women, would they have been less likely to have tried to kill her. Just like any reptile, they tend to only attack if they feel threatened.
I dont understand why she didn't stay with Newt and the rest of the good wizards or why she didnt return to Aurelius after he chose to turn against Grindelwald
Nagini probably became bitter about things overtime, many due to her sad affliction. Not that that's the only reason, but her bitterness probably made it easier for her worldview and opinions to change. Plus, Voldemort was her first friend in, what, decades?
So, he made a horcrux out of her after his spirit was already so unstable from making too many horcruxes that it split when he was trying to kill Harry? This makes no sense
I don't think she became "evil" so much as she lost all sense of human morality. As initially neither an obvious source of food nor a threat to her, Voldemort will initially have been of no interest except for an ability to help her with her hunting via a direct form of communication she could immediately understand. After a long period of successful hunting made easier with his assistance, she will have naturally formed a trust/bond with him more akin to a wolf pack, and as he became stronger and more dominant in the relationship she will have continued to value Voldemort's ability to find her fresh and even higher quality meals (i.e. a steady supply of his disarmed magical foes) - more so than his ability to idly converse (can anyone really imagine Voldemort actively making small talk with her, even if she craved such dialogue?). The direct communication ultimately helped only in ensuring she was able to precisely understand and follow his orders, which she came to trust, and her lack of any qualms or hesitancy in doing so (unlike so many of his remaining death eaters) were what he will have valued most highly of all.
7:22 That's not a very valid point. "Maledictuses lost the ability to think like a human as time went on" Which implies she would think like a snake. If that's the reasoning you would have to say all snakes are bad.
Snakes kill to eat and to defend themselves. They do it for survival but still, that's what they do. It may not necessarily make them evil, but someone who is used to kill, is more easily persuaded to kill more.
I don't think she was/would become evil by her own. Not trusting humans and attacking them while she felt threatened? Yes, that I think would be more likely. I rather think she became evil thanks due Voldemort, as she could feel being accepted by him, as Voldemort could try and make her feel being understood.
What kind of snake was she supposed to be? Snakes that large typically do not have venom and she is depicted as a python in the movies ( a nonvemous constrictor snake)
I have a different take on Nagini. I don't see her as "evil", but amoral. Animals are neither evil...nor good...they are either wild or domesticated...and are either trained well or poorly....and trained to harm or help. Nagini may have held on to her humanity for a long time...but eventually, she WAS a snake. Any part that was human, apart from intellect, was completely and forever lost. So, while i contend she was not evil, neither did she feel remorse or any human connection to her or Voldemort's actions. It simply WAS. And she was trainable.. all snakes understand Parselmouth...so Voldemort's ability to train....and appear kindred in spirit...sets Nagini on this ultimate path of "evil deeds" with a superior intelligence to carry out those orders. But, you have to know good to know you are evil; it's a choice between the two. She was unable to understand this concept.
I've not upto now heard this theory being mentioned though it may have? Finding out that Harry is a horcrux could that have had an impact on the Dursley's with the hate they all shown him being with the horcrux all of Harry's life, like we learnt mostly learnt when Ron wore the horcrux around his neck it turned him darker and a weight was lifted off Harry and hermarnie (I know I spelt her name wrong) just thought?
Woulda been cool if we could've watched it play out in the next FB movies but ya know all that drama has to happen and now the movies are probably canceled
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I suspect that she actually loved Credence more than just a friend and when he most likely dies in the next fantastic beasts she blames his death on the Dumbledores. Her loss mixed with blaming them and then her madness stuck as a snake I bet she thought that by trying to help Voldemort it might give her revenge on the Dumbledores combined with loosing her humanity stuck in the snakes mind
After she permanently transformed he was the only person who she could travel to who she could have a conversation with. So she was in isolated confinement till she met him.
When under Imperio, one's "Moral Compass" gets totally dodged & bypassed... getting permanently stuck in a Animal Body with a Animal Brain could conceivably have a comparable effect. The higher I.Q. & Cognitive parts of Human Nagini wouldn't be able to fit or operate in a Snake Brain so thus could be permanently lost. It's hard to tell if Human Nagini & Perma-Snake Nagini can even be regarded as the same entity...
I think Nagini lost some of her higher cognitive functions as a snake. Sirius once mentioned that, as a dog, his thoughts were simpler.
But to what extent? Voldemort very clearly treated Nagini more as a trusted confidant and less like a pet
I wonder… what about Peter Pettigrew?
He was a rat for quite a while… probably just as dumb as a rat
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 that's true. Plus, Sirius was an animagus, which tells me that, as an animagus, the only reason said witch or wizard has any control at all is because it's a transformation that you undertake willingly, vs a malediction is a curse that you do not choose, and as such, can eventually take over you.
Well so snakes seem a little ‘smarter’ than dogs in the universe.. I mean parceltounge signifies that snakes were able to create a language which then certain wizards can have access to, which is unlike other animals.
@@lvd0084 Animals in Harry Potter might have their own languages; Pettigrew was able to communicate with other rats after all.
I think he may have promised to give her a human body again, as long as she did his bidding. When she saw he had a human body again, it sealed the deal. She became his horcrux and servant without question.
I was just about to post the same theory.
Yet he never did 😞
I think her "Evil" disposition is a combenation of living as a serpent for decades with her humanity deteriorating with every passing year and Voldemort encouraging said behavior.
I think it was a little bit of both. First it reminds me of Remus Lupin, in his werewolf form he’s pure beast “willing to kill his best friend…” unable to control his actions but, if I remember right, he still knew/remember what he done in that form.
Nagini unfortunately remained in beast mode, forever thinking like a snake which made it easier for Voldemort, a parsaltongue, to befriend her which led to her going dark
I'm going to throw my hat in the ring. I don't think she was ever evil. If she turned into a snake and not changing back to human my theory is her brain probably switched to only reptile brain which is very hunter instinct. It's more of a snake brain mixed with Tommy's tongue that made her what she was at the end
That’s where my thinking leads me. Sirius also said HIS thoughts were simpler as a dog, so I’d imagine when she fully changed, she went full snake brain. Then I’d imagine when she became a horcrux it turned her evil
I don't think Nagini is evil, instead I think she doesn't have a choice.
Here's why I say this. Remember in the second book/movie right before Harry found out he was a parseltongue? When Malfoy summoned the Cobra he told the snake not to attack Justin Finch-Fletchley. The snake obeyed, despite its clear indication that it was ready to strike Justin.
So, I think having parseltounge gives the person the ability to not only speak to snakes, but to control them to a degree.
In the first book he learns that there is a wake. talking to a snake at the zoo. As for control I do not think like you. I find it interesting. But I have doubts whether the theory is true and why do I think it is not so? Morfin. wind the snake for Morphine because it will nail to the door. there is already one snake hanging, which means he was not obedient
I don’t think Harry had control of the snake, he was simply telling the snake not to attack but the snake kept edging & looking back at the boy, giving Snape enough time to disintegrate it
I agree. Looking back at Dumbledore’s memory of meeting Tom in the orphanage, Tom says blatantly he can control animals without training them. I don’t know if being a parseltongue in and of itself made that possible, but definitely I agree it had something to do with it
Harry had many dark thoughts. But he was too pure to be completely swayed by it. That's what earned Dumbledores love of Harry. Just look at how Dumbledore greeted him in death. Dumbledore hoped that Harry, might maybe, possibly do what he did. He had a hope of a hope.
I feel like Grindlewald did something to Nagini after the events of Crimes of Grindlewald to ensure Credence could only be loyal to him as he had a strong connection to Nagini and would've sided with her over him when it came to it.
The other horcruxes have an evil aura about them that effects the mood and thoughts of anyone who handles it for any extended amountof time. Harry is the only one who does not and the only one that did not spend a significant amount of time in voldemort's possession immediately before and after the horcrux charm. Perhaps there is a connection there.
Also I think his mother's love, that protected him from the death curse, protected him from Voldemort's bad influencw too.
When a maledictus is stuck as their animal form they loose their ability to think as a human, which most likely means they also loose all memory they had as a human as they are now stuck as a beast. Nagini becoming evil is most likely due to that fact that her snake mind is following the orders of someone who can talk to her. Also due to the fact that her lifespan isn't shortened, much like an animagus, Voldemort probably saw it as an advantage as he could keep her around without worrying about her dying of old age
It's too bad that Nagini wasn't able to (or chose not to) stay with Newt and his other beasts in a safe haven, having positive interaction with humans.
Harry, when he became a Horcrux, also was under the protection spell from his mother at the same time. Wouldn't it be more possible that he would had turned evil, if he hasn't had that protection?
That's if the protection actually exists. Lily could not possibly be the first mother to die for her child nor the first mother to love her child. It's never fully explained in the books or movies so I don't think it was truly love that saved Harry.
@@AzmodaeusSternit most definitely did exist hence Harry being able to come back to life and ended up putting his own protection on everyone defending hogwarts through the same sacrifice. Also I doubt she was the first but the most famous case of the protection working
When Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, he intended to make Lilly a horcrux. That would honor Snape request to save her while making her "unclean" with the Dark Lords soul. When he ended up killing Lilly and the curse rebounded, the already started Horcrux creating spell had begun and was completed by making Harry the unintended vessel.
I never thought of that 🫢🤯
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Same
I hope Harry Potter Folklore or Harry Potter Theory about Lilly.
Yoooo
The curse didn’t rebound on lily it rebounded off harry
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What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
imagine being lonely for decades ,then here comes tom ridle who is clever at using flattery and feining understanding, playing on her lonliness and there you have it
I think she would have, trapped as a snake with no one understanding her, I believe it would most likely have driven the poor woman insane.
I've wondered why Harry never spoke to Nagini in parseltonge?
OOOh, this is an idea I had never thought about, very interesting. racking my brain here, did anyone other than Albus and Aberforth know that Nagini was a maladictus? I mean in the Harry at Hogwarts timeline.
Fun fact, Dumbledore could understand fluent parseltongue… he just couldn’t converse because speaking and understanding are entirely different things
Meanwhile Ron learned snake language just by listening to Harry in his sleepts :D
A maledictus gradually loses the ability to think like a human - that's why they become trapped as a beast. It is the human mind which controls the transformation, from person to beast and back to person. There comes a point where the human mind has slipped away so much that all there is left is a beast; lacking the capacity or even memory of how to change back. When this happened to Nagini, the whisper of the woman was trapped for short while before she disappeared altogether.
Nagini the woman was effectively dead by the time Voldemort came along. The beast retained vestiges of the woman such as intelligence higher than other snakes, and a name, but that's all the dark wizard interacted with. A serpent. Nagini, and the beast with the same name, were two different beings.
Great video as always! Could you please dive into this question; why wasn’t the horcroux inside Harry destroyed when he got bitten (and poisoned) in the chamber of secrets?
I’ve wondered about that too 🤔
The horcrux had to be destroyed beyond repair, Harry got healed by Fawkes' tears before the venom could finish its work.
I disagree with you. Having a friendly relationship with an evil person, doesn't have to turn you into evil yourself. Just like Buffy and Spike, wrong franchise I know but still an example. No I think it had two stages: 1.Losing the love of her life Aurelius. The only one she could have called a friend until his condition killed him. 2.Once the curse took over. She was forced to live possibly 5 or 6 decades without someone to talk with and lost any shade of humanity within her until she met Voldemort. That is horrible and probably drove her mad to the point when she said to herself- "Why should I be good? What good gave to me? Screw everything and everyone." And once she met him she regained purpose in life, even if it's a life as a Snake. He must have promised her that he will revert her back to human once they win. So if he did I think she felt obligated which donated to her being evil.
I think your theory has merits, it is a very good theory but I know what it's like to be left alone, in iso, you yearn for company, and you get desperate, so you become friends with anyone just so that you have someone to talk to. I've been in iso for a few months since my mum became immunocomprimised, i can still see people, and iso is still driving me crazy, you want to be company with anyone. And I've just been like that for a few months. Imagine what it's like for DECADES. You would get desperate and lonely and driven mad until you finally find a person who understands you, who talks with you and doesn't just ghost you because you are in iso. It's hard.
You're sort of assuming his argument is incorrect based on a premise he never states. I don't think the argument here is that Nagini became evil because she had a relationship with Voldemort, but instead because of the content of that relationship. I think your point is actually part of his argument. Nagini's isolation coupled with the terrible acts and the terrible thoughts and opinions Voldemort likely shared with her, would have made Nagini evil over the years. Like a small sampling of a drug leading to an addiction.
@@lookingforarlandria in hindsight after reading the message a second time you are kind of correct, he is kind of basing off the argument that HP theory said.
@GorgeousGranger toxic relationships. They do us in every time and they're everywhere. If only empathy dawned on us every minute of every day
@@gorgeousgranger5991 First of all sorry to hear about your mom man. 2nd- I know what it's like to be lonely. I was couple of years in my life and I know it's driving crazy. I think this was the main reason not Voldemort. And he said the main reason is Voldemort. That is why I disagreed with him.
I would like to see a video on how Nagini's family came to carry the blood curse. Or, if info is thin on the ground, a video on how all the known families with a blood curse came to be inflicted with their curse.
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Often in fantasy literature the form someone assumes starts to dominate their mind. After Nagini turned into a snake she finally found someone that talked to her like a human. She had most likely been isolated for so long that she would have done anything for human companionship.
Risky video considering we’ll find out sometime. Credibility on the line here. Having said that I watch all your videos and agree with basically everything you say. Keep up the good work haha
I think you are very right when you say that Nagini became evil because she had someone to talk to. I know a similar situation. I have been in iso for several months now (family member is immunocomprimised so it is very likely they will die if they get covid) and I can tell you it gets very lonely, you do anything for company with someone, and I'm not even completely isolated. I still have my family so I can't even begin to fathom how Nagini felt. She probably would have been driven into madness way before Voldemort came. I've been in iso for a few MONTHS and I can still see my friends, and I'm already starting to go slightly crazy, maybe I'll have random times where I just get angry, but it must be 100 times worse for Nagini.its sad
I believe Nagini was more serpent in her serpent form than she was human. We’re talking about changing the shape and size of a human brain into a serpent brain. It’s like apples and oranges.
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A person or an animal becoming a Horcrux will end up living forever if not killed. Voldemort persuaded Nagini to become Horcrux and in the meantime gain some time to find a way to revert the curse. Nagini agreed. He followed Voldemort for various reasons: she had years to communicate with someone, she was flattered by the possibility to live forever as a Horcrux and she was persuaded by a super powerful dark Lord that her curse would revert. In addition to all this, Voldemort shared with her the secret that he at least made one Horcrux, her. This enhanced her persuasion as it includes some sort of emotion by him.
I thought parselmouths could control snakes, considering the basilisk
Making a guess before I watch the video. Loneliness. Literally the only person she could talk to was Harry or Voldemort.
Great insight... Keep them coming
I imagine Nagini would have found a similarity between Voldemort and Credence
Nagini got smoked by Neville
I don’t think Nagini was evil. She was a snake, perhaps with more sentience than most, but a snake nevertheless. Even the snake in the zoo (SS/PS) could “talk” to Harry, but we didn’t even think to call it “good” or “evil”. Like any pet, Nagini was happy to do the bidding of her master in order to please him and gain acceptance and approval. Voldemort was indeed a psychopath and sociopath-evil. I blame her actions on him, not on any inherent or learned evilness of her own.
Great explaination, I like this and keep kt
Not me confusing you for SCB because this is such a popular theory among their viewers--
You mean SCP?
Super carlin Bros?
CCP? Too much tiktok?
@@briennataylor6639 Yep!
@@harryfleutv666 SCB is short for Super Carlin Bros., another Harry Potter theory channel.
Don’t forget that Voldemort was always very charismatic and persuasive
I think Nagini was just a snake and lost all her humanity as she became more and more serpent-like. Serpents aren't evil, they're snakes. And they do what snakes do.
I blame the franchise for not giving us more clarity on this, we waited all that time for the 3rd film, only to find out she wasn't in the cast. The movie suffered for it, not sure what direction its going in tbh. This story line had so much potential to be great but movies as of late just dont seem to be as compelling as 10-12 years ago. Retconing spells and bits of information that conflict with the original is just malpractice. Hopefully they can conclude Albus and Newts story well enough to be rewatchable.
I’d say being trapped as a snake made her angry. However, on its own would not have made her evil. I believe it was her relationship with Voldemort. That was her true, turning point, as far as when she became evil. Even before he turned her into a Horcrux. That only made matters much worse.
Can you do a video on what would happen if Voldemort with all of his horcruxes walked into the veil. Good vid btw
I think when she became a snake forever She slowly started to think like one and they kill with no remorse when upset or Aggravated, on meeting Voldemort talking to him she could get worse
The real question is how did a snake get to Albania from America (possibly Britain, idk I’ve never watched the movies)
i believe you are looking at this one sidewise. was nagini evil? or just an animal? as several said, she probably lost her human thought process after the years as a snake. and voldy could of just been saying "eat, you are hungry , i brought you food"
and i do believe being the horcrux soured her a bit... after all she was one for a lot longer than harry
As a cold blooded creature/tropical snake, how could she survive in Bulgaria? And boas/anacondas do not have venom. Sure, they bite, but they kill by constriction. This never made sense to me
In my own opinion, doesn’t have to be the fact, I think she just became a cold-hearted woman and gave up the idea of ever finding a cure for the maldictious (sorry I spelled it wrong). Being heartbroken and pretty much living in a cruel environment, Nagini just turned away from humanity and shot-down the idea of love ever again.
Voldemort- I’m going to call him V for this comment- to her she would feel envious for not being able to feel love. Nagini couldn’t stand it nor ever wants to find one. I guess V gives her respect and loyalty in the Wizarding World. Whatever that can make her useful as a snake, V gave her the opportunity of not being anything but worthless or weak. She has been looking out for herself, but V became someone she can live for: protecting his soul and never be looked as anything worthless or a show of entertaining as a pet.
I think with nagini, to some extent, her curse doesn’t just physically alter her, but mentally does. It alters her perception, brings out those primal animalistic urges that wouldn’t be there if she was still ‘human’.
Yeah, I think so too. Besides, snakes kill to feed and to defend themselves. It surely must have a negative effect upon the mind and soul to give in repeatedly to animalistic urges to end another life in order to preserve their own.
I don't think she ever really became evil, because it's quite well understood that if animagi stay too long in their animal forms they actually lose some of their human cognitive abilities, and even more so for maledictus who are permanently stuck in that animal form and lose their 'human' self. So if we were to assume she met voldemort when she was already a snake all the time... then that just means a snake being told what to do (in a language they understand) by their owner. More of an unfortunate circumstance to me.
She is a very underrated character
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In the lore, male maledicti lose their humanity as they lose their ability to transform and are locked into their animal forms, but I wonder if it is the pure result of the curse, or if it is the psychological and social factors of no longer being able to interact with other humans that leads to a such a change in personality. Could it be either/or, a bit of both, the latter being a catalyst to the former?
I think Nagini Was Manipulated And Just Pretty Much Used By Voldemort
video idea : “why did the ministry of magic not use veritaserum on Harry when he claimed Voldemort was back?”
like ive always considered it and it essentially would have made 5 and maybe 6 almost obsolete
It wasn’t always right
Because they didn't want to believe he was back
@@russelltaylor1500 Yea man i got that from the books aswell. They just didnt want it to be true.
I've imagined lately that there was some reason for her to want to protect Riddle at first, and by the time she realized just how evil he was, it was too late. Perhaps her transformations into a snake specifically came from being a descendent of Salazar Slytherin, and she saw Riddle as family, and thus someone to protect and watch over. Eventually, it becomes an abusive relationship from which she can't bring herself to leave, because she's too tightly tied to Voldemort through the fragment of her soul trapped in her body. Slowly, the connection drives her completely mad, the woman's personality retreating behind the instincts of the snake in order to protect what remains of her consciousness from the horrible things she's forced to do.
I always wondered if she was animagus. With the curse. And with Voldemort tricked her to turn into the snake. More she turned losing control of turning back because of the curse. Like Helena he tricked everyone. And because he was pretty much only one who could talk to her sealing her fate . Placing a horcrux in her. She felt angry where he pulled at her memories of being a sideshow attraction. And telling her he understands being mistreated.
Imagine if she would have met Harry instead, a young boy, resembling Credence. I wonder if she would have remembered her human thoughts and feelings, that is fascinating to think, what do you guys think? Could she have been saved?
i do agree with your theory. nagini most likely was evil before meeting voldemort because she didn’t get along with regular people, plus she went to isolate herself so she was probably mad at the world, right?
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a mixture of revenge (on Mr Arkansas through the cage we saw ) being desperate and opportunist when Voldemort came by . she escaped with credence so stayed with him .
She can't cope with Voldemort being dead so horcrux vessel fits for contribution , question does horcrux get damaged if she got magically ill ?
Maybe Harry didn't turn evil because of the love from his mother
I just thought she was under the Imperius curse
Maybe Volly put her in imperius curese.
At first I was agreeing with the comments about Nagini losing her human thoughts and has snake brain and can't really control attacking people. However in that case why wouldn't she have attacked Voldemort in the woods? Snakes attack anything they feel threatened by and anything that is food. And if it's because of his parseltongue controlling her then why wouldn't Harry be able to control the snake trying to attack him in the chamber of secrets? So I definitely feel like there was some kind of convincing that happened and maybe Nagini had more cognitive ability than we think
I was hoping Fantastic Beasts 2-5 would answer the question over time, but unfortunately, they half-assed the second one, quarter-assed the third (without even putting her in it), and we're not likely to get four and five.
I thought she was already not evil slowly getting into snakelike creature The taste of blood bidding from the dark Lord Lord Voldemort
It's so sad that a young woman's life was wasted and voldemort also played a part in that
I think she just lost her humanity
5:06 Oh yes.
Nice video
Calling Nagini a pet seems wrong to me. People like their pets, Voldemort is not able to feel love so she is not really his pet. She is just a vesseI. I think she is more likely to be his slave to him.
Is it just me or - at the end - when he said: Dinner Nagini - he did it with too much relish?!
- Interesting. I keep dreaming that I can turn into an eagle or crow.
Just a thought, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, if Hermione and Ron new that Nagini was a maladiscus and used to be a women, would they have been less likely to have tried to kill her. Just like any reptile, they tend to only attack if they feel threatened.
I dont understand why she didn't stay with Newt and the rest of the good wizards or why she didnt return to Aurelius after he chose to turn against Grindelwald
Nagini probably became bitter about things overtime, many due to her sad affliction. Not that that's the only reason, but her bitterness probably made it easier for her worldview and opinions to change. Plus, Voldemort was her first friend in, what, decades?
So, he made a horcrux out of her after his spirit was already so unstable from making too many horcruxes that it split when he was trying to kill Harry? This makes no sense
I don't think she became "evil" so much as she lost all sense of human morality. As initially neither an obvious source of food nor a threat to her, Voldemort will initially have been of no interest except for an ability to help her with her hunting via a direct form of communication she could immediately understand. After a long period of successful hunting made easier with his assistance, she will have naturally formed a trust/bond with him more akin to a wolf pack, and as he became stronger and more dominant in the relationship she will have continued to value Voldemort's ability to find her fresh and even higher quality meals (i.e. a steady supply of his disarmed magical foes) - more so than his ability to idly converse (can anyone really imagine Voldemort actively making small talk with her, even if she craved such dialogue?). The direct communication ultimately helped only in ensuring she was able to precisely understand and follow his orders, which she came to trust, and her lack of any qualms or hesitancy in doing so (unlike so many of his remaining death eaters) were what he will have valued most highly of all.
The one issue with this is Harry almost did turn evil, a part of the movies baseline was his fighting the dual natures and ultimately overcoming it
7:22 That's not a very valid point. "Maledictuses lost the ability to think like a human as time went on"
Which implies she would think like a snake. If that's the reasoning you would have to say all snakes are bad.
Snakes kill to eat and to defend themselves. They do it for survival but still, that's what they do. It may not necessarily make them evil, but someone who is used to kill, is more easily persuaded to kill more.
I don't think she was/would become evil by her own. Not trusting humans and attacking them while she felt threatened? Yes, that I think would be more likely.
I rather think she became evil thanks due Voldemort, as she could feel being accepted by him, as Voldemort could try and make her feel being understood.
What kind of snake was she supposed to be? Snakes that large typically do not have venom and she is depicted as a python in the movies ( a nonvemous constrictor snake)
Was Nigini a witch? I don't seem to remember her doing any magic (other than turning into a honking great snake).
I have a different take on Nagini. I don't see her as "evil", but amoral. Animals are neither evil...nor good...they are either wild or domesticated...and are either trained well or poorly....and trained to harm or help.
Nagini may have held on to her humanity for a long time...but eventually, she WAS a snake. Any part that was human, apart from intellect, was completely and forever lost.
So, while i contend she was not evil, neither did she feel remorse or any human connection to her or Voldemort's actions. It simply WAS. And she was trainable.. all snakes understand Parselmouth...so Voldemort's ability to train....and appear kindred in spirit...sets Nagini on this ultimate path of "evil deeds" with a superior intelligence to carry out those orders. But, you have to know good to know you are evil; it's a choice between the two. She was unable to understand this concept.
Ever done a theory on whether the maledictus curse was the result of a failed animagus attempt?
I don't think she was evil. Nagini was very ill with an inherited condition as I understand it. That just makes her unfortunate.
Nagini was just a snake Voldemort had,as he wasnt capable to befriend anyone humanoid. And nothing to do with retcon fantastic beast
Poor Nagini she's stuck in a snake body forever and never turned into human again.😢
I'm not sure why nagini became evil. You present some very interesting points for me to ponder upon
Right the piece of his soul too
With Nagini as emotionally close and constantly at his side, how and when would Voldemort have been able to have the affair with Bellatrix?
Maybe nagini was involved in some way... nvm
Im curious as to what Voldemort's reaction would be if he had met Nagini in her human form
I've not upto now heard this theory being mentioned though it may have? Finding out that Harry is a horcrux could that have had an impact on the Dursley's with the hate they all shown him being with the horcrux all of Harry's life, like we learnt mostly learnt when Ron wore the horcrux around his neck it turned him darker and a weight was lifted off Harry and hermarnie (I know I spelt her name wrong) just thought?
Woulda been cool if we could've watched it play out in the next FB movies but ya know all that drama has to happen and now the movies are probably canceled
I believe Nagini was in love with Voldemort as well
I guess not being able to change back in to a human hurt her, and showed her that she was trapped, and it wore on her and turned her
third floor corridor explained please
So sad it wasn't a happier ending for her....
The boy who used unforgivable curses was evil