My 2016 Model S has covered 259,000 miles so far. I'm hoping that in the future, maybe 3 or so years down the road, there will be an option for a lighter pack, with a slight range improvement and faster charging, more in line with the later cars.
@@taylorc2542 more interesting is the motor. I lately saw a company wich repairs faulty older model s motors. These motors do have a bad sealing where coolant gets into the motor at some point. If noticed too late it gets into the electronics. But I really don't know on what milage this occurs. Later motors they said are a lot better.
It would be an excellent idea to offer these upgrades to everyone as a paid for service. It would have major benefits for Tesla, its customers, and the planet. Tesla can still make money from the upgrades, and there would be less need to build more cars. Recyling old cars with new much more reliable and better range batteries would be a benefit to customers who might not be able to afford a brand new car, and of course it's a benefit to the planet also. It's the way forward.
Tesla should offer extended warranties for the batteries and cars. They should have enough data now to price them. It would take uncertainty out for the owner or used car buyer. Tesla even could take into account past usage style, if it affects longevity.
I'm thinking this will be something I might do in 5 yrs from my 2170 batteries. My Model Ys range is still great and the battery after 2 yrs has no discernible degradation. And I keep accurate records too.
I kinda like the performance of my 23 MYP with the 2170 cells. I wouldn't want it to be heavier than it now is. Maybe in 7 years from now they will have lighter LFP type batteries. I think it's a great idea to be able to upgrade batteries just like all the upgrades possible with ICE cars.
Sounds great. I wish my 3 year old model 3 had one one of these LFP packs. At least I'm glad I have a car with a removable battery pack - gives me some options down the road. Maybe 3rd party batter pack manufacturers will even appear in the future, though I doubt Tesla would cooperate with them.
I've got a 2022 M3 LR AWD, probably won't have to worry about battery replacement for easily a decade (and rust is a bigger worry over that time), but would be interested to see the math of the LFP mentioned here compared to mine.
After three and a half years my 2019 model 3 had battery issues and required replacement under warranty. I requested a LFP replacement battery but the Tesla service center in Canberra advised that they could only replace like with like. I am happy with the replacement battery (but preferred LFP) and have an increased range of about 40 kms.
I have a 2021 model three and the HV batteries are out on the warranty. I just got a call from the service to ask if I want to replace my older batteries with the LFP. I said absolutely. So yeah this is a thing but only if your batteries go out on a warranty. I do see them offering this as an upgrade in the future.
I would absolutely love it if this is a possible upgrade in the future. It would basically make my 2019 M3SR+ a brand new car and I might be able to keep it long enough to see the benefits of FSD😂
so would this be a LR pack or a SR pack? If I have a damaged Model 3 Long Range is has (depending on manufacturer) around 80 kWh. Would the replacement be a similar capacity or would that be a smaller (standard range) pack?
The LFP being discussed can be charged to 100%. But charging rates are 100KW less. More than 40% slower. Horrible on a trip. Plus, this “more range” claim than 2170s is flat wrong. Heavier and less power storage dense. Also, claim that Japanese-American made batteries are less reliable (defects) than ChiC0M, not true. If an owner does not ever road trip charge, charges at home overnight, local driving, these LFP can make sense.
I agree. This is important to consider, when the charge rate will be impacted, unless someone knows more about LFP Model 3s to suggest the charge rate for LFP can be done at 250kW and above.
I think the problem for older Teslas is the hardware that's runs the software . We know with computers there operating systems degrade . With that loading can get quite slow and glitchy . I have a older laptop that allowed windows 10 upgrade some years back but won't allow windows 11 . It originally had windows 7 which Microsoft does not update . So there will be a time that Tesla may not update its older systems .
Let me give this a try. Tesla cars from 1000 feet up have several computer systems. The ones that come to mind are the display(s), FSD, and several RTOS based systems. RTOS meaning Real Time Operating System, a classification not a brand. Most everything that makes the car go happens in the RTOS systems because they give instant response. The display computer allows the driver to interface with car but little 'work' is done there. I am sure you can find better more detailed descriptions elsewhere on the net.
I think the replacement idea after the warranty is a great idea. What remains to be seen is the pricing. If it is priced well it would extend the life of Teslas and stimulate more used car sales.
I agree with Sam that Tesla should make this available for all Tesla owners to buy. Most all the OEM have their many induce "planned obsolescence", forcing consumers to buy another vehicle after a certain time. It seems Tesla doesn't play by their rules. So Tesla should open this *_"Sweet_** Battery Option"* to all owners of Tesla. 🤗
As far as i know this is only available for the standard range model 3 and model y variant ? Does anyone know if this includes the long-range model 3 ? I dont think it does , i just want to be certain
Very very nice! I think with exclusion criteria warranty and "faulty battery" the amount of cars that will be elligible will be small. Faulty battery is an expression that hides susceptibility to interpretation for good and bad. I like the idea of battery replacement as a service. But I think it will be a long while before we see that, because batteries are in high demand. Maybe when outgoing battery pack modules becomes a thing we might see service come into play as a convenience factor for another for profit business model I think would make most sense to Tesla. Conversion kits would be very nice😃. If it also supports very good lane assist and adaptive cruise control, with Tesla motor and battery, that would be awesome.
My Bolt EV's ternary battery has an 8 year or 100k mile warranty, but I'm hoping it'll last 200k miles with reasonable care with maybe a 20% range loss. It's four years old and has 16k miles now, so I'll reach eight years long before I reach 100k miles. I may not own it when it reaches 200k miles, but if I do, a replacement battery may be very affordable by that time. EVs and especially EV batteries are improving so rapidly now that it's hard to imagine what they'll be like in a decade. If we have true robotaxis by then, I may not own a car at all. Subscribing to a service may be less expensive. The car won't be worth much anyway. I've only driven one car 200k miles, a Toyota Celica. It was my first car, and it was literally falling apart when I finally sold it.
LFP or LiFePO4 actually has been used in e-bikes since 2013. I used to build my e-bikes with them because it has double the life span of regular lithium batteries. However, in terms of peak voltage and weight, the 21700 is better. I suspect that’s why they will give the car new suspension to deal with the increased battery weight.
Hi, I need urgent advice!!! I have a model 3 2021 SR+ and recently the battery failed, I took to service under warranty they made me sign a paper saying I will be getting an LFP battery upgrade. Long story short, a week later my app notifies me that service is done. I go to the location and pick up my car and drive away. 3 weeks later I receive another call from tesla employee telling me I need to take. my car back to them because apparently my car was not accepting the LFP battery so they had to put the same older type of battery but during the service process they had put different suspension to accommodate the LFP battery (as mentioned here in the video), so therefore they need me to go back so they can replace the upgraded suspension back to my older system of suspension that is made for non-LFP cars....... It sounds fishy to me. Why was this not communicated to me during service? Please help me with advice. Thanks
My model Y battery went out at 44K. Tesla is offering this to me and gave me a loaner. I’ve been without a vehicle for nearly a month and if I choose to decline for this lithium battery, it’ll take another 3 weeks. What would you all do?
The kits idea is especially good. Now if legacy automakers just agreed to sell their cars without engines, gearboxes and fuel tanks, to substitute them with parts from kits would be especially good.
One of the benefits of a EV is how you can do upgrades. Look at Hyundai upgrading 2022 Ionic 5 with duel motors and heat pumps to get battery condition.
The issue at stake here is the high probability of M3/MY Std. Range needing warranty service of battery more frequently, due to reduced range, using up the max cycling faster. It is better to make it an upgrade, with a small 🥕 to add on(suspension improvement). It is also possible the new upgraded LFP battery needs an updated mount(part of suspension🤔).This will avoid unneeded free replacement service in future, while even paying for the supposedly free warranty replacement. Tesla is good at tracking numbers, and it seems to point this way. Just some 💭
I would just prefer if they would offer LFP batteries in their long-range models with a bigger battery pack. I assume lots of taxi drivers would be positive in that sense they need to use super chargers during a work day. At least if the car is used by more than one driver per day.
Electric cars, pickup trucks and S.U.V.s accounted for nearly 40 percent of new auto registrations in the San Jose California area in 2023 and about 34 percent in San Francisco, according to data from S&P Global Mobility, an automotive market research firm, that was published last week. Tesla continually improves all their products, even the cars they have sold in the past. Just one more reason potential competitiors aren't even trying to compete. Sad that legacy auto don't step up and try to emulate Tesla instead of resigning themselves to failure and bancruptcy.
Of course they are doing it for themselves. Most all the OEM have their many induce "planned obsolescence", forcing consumers to buy another vehicle after a certain time. It seems Tesla doesn't play by their rules. So Tesla should open this *_"Sweet_** Battery Option"* to all owners of Tesla. As far as old cells go, Tesla better be on top of this action, they don't want to screw themselves. I'm quite sure with very low cost, batteries swap and someone getting 8 more years out of their Tesla. Tesla will have many happy customers .
Exciting. If battery packs can be replaced at a low cost, then people can keep their cars for a long time and help protect the environment. A new future where a car can last a long time.
Hi Sam .Which is the most insureable Chinese EV car in uk? Also , how long before we can get reconditioned LFP batteries at a reasonable price to switch in a model Y?
I saw that I can get a Cybertruck under the early access program for stockholders. Do I do it? I wasn't expecting it so fast and it would take some juggling financially to accomplish.
I want a 400 mile claimed ranger so and can get and actual range of 300 miles on the highway . In 3 or 4 years the battery's should be much better than they are now in all techs.
Compared to ICE's BEV's range is inverse between city and highway. Mileage estimates are usually mixed or combined so when on the highway you always see less range, but in the city you get the rated ranger or more. It throws some people who are used to it being the other way around.
As battery technology advances I hope all EV makers will offer upgrades. They could make as much profit as selling a new car without the cost of having the make the entire car.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom If the technology really does "advance" it should take fewer or the same number of batteries to give the same amount of range or better. However, the charger and software may need to be changed too if you want it to charge faster.
Yup give folks a decent trade in credit(used pack level values for recycling are $2,500-$3,500 currently for ev pack's and more if taken apart and sold as modules for conversions and home storage. And states should offer say a $1,000 credit for any 3-5 year old ev pack replacement. Could bring replacing a battery down to $4-6k that way. Or about the same as a rebuilt trans or rebuilt engine costs. Then buying a cheap used ev, made cheaper by the 4k used ev credit and slapping one of these pack's in would make sense for lower&middle income folks very quickly. Even used ev car dealers if state incentives existed could go confidently buy up low range older used evs, swap in newer pack's and ask 6-8k more post upgrade for them and get it with the used ev 4k credit no problem. 👍🏻😎
I dont think Viking fully understands the engineering behind a LiPo to LiFePo4 transition. LiFePo4 has lower voltage per cell (4.2v vs 3.3v) and therefore less energy density across the whole battery. Probably also lower total battery voltage when fully charged so less power there too.
Are Tesla saying you have more range because you can charge to 100% instead of 80% ? LFP batteries are now 40% cheaper so Tesla will save money on replacing your battery pack under warranty. Will Porsche and VW group offer this ?
Here in Canada, A news report just showed it takes seven to 10 years to break even on an average Tesla EV purchase - just in time to have to re;place your battery.
@@johnbevan9086 break even on this case means the premium paid for an EV compared to an ICE - here’s a snippet -“If you're wondering whether the gas savings are worth the extra money you'd spend on an EV, a new UBC study has some answers….” The quick answer - 10 years but by then you have to pay for a new battery - while the ICE vehicle will likely march on - Crazy, eh? 😁
@pilotleader for me this pretty wildy wrong, but I do drive more than most. I have a 2021 standard range model y which cost out the door taxes and rebates in and everything for $64K canadian. I've done just over 100k kms as of now (3 yrs of ownership)and my estimated savings (total gas savings - electricity cost to charge) is at $21k. So for me in 9 years the car will have cost nothing, and about $1100/year in electricity. Plus my HV battery is being replaced under warranty so I may get close to 9 years before I need another one.
This warranty upgrade is a great idea if Tesla honors it down the road. Most car manufacturers are shady except for Lexus when it comes to warranties. Why not a Tesla conversion kit? Most ICE conversions now a days are done with old Tesla parts anyway
If Tesla paid more attention to out of warranty service/sales, the ongoing battery FUD out there would have no leg to stand on, because this is what people look at - after 8 years will the car become one huge brick, because so far I have yet to hear of a single Tesla reaching 300K without any major super expensive part replacement (i.e. motor or battery).
This would all be much easier if Tesla had developed a battery pack interface standard covering mechanical, electrical, data and coolant connections. But, as you have repeatedly made clear, you don't generally approve of such a thing, Sam.
This is why Nio will be a competitor in the EV market due to its-high tech battery swap stations. Battery degradation is a non factor for as long as you own the vehicle.
doing the battery swap, yes the car is cheaper to buy , but they charge for each swap and long term it costs more than if you brought a EV with a battery. But also batteries in the EV;s are lasting longer and this seems a bit pointless.
@@chriskirkman6049 sir you have to pay to charge your Ev anyway , with Nio you have two choice. For those who have time , will have 20 - 30 min to charge however, they will be some that don’t have the time , so they will go with battery swap which takes 5 min. In terms of batteries tech , as you can see many batteries are setting on fire. This is a concerned for many retailers. The batteries are built with components that wear out. That’s why swapping is the future.
Have you looked at the Li Auto Mega this will charge 10% to 80% in 12 mins giving you a range of 500km , this is what i am meaning battery tech is changing so fast, charging times soon are not going to be the issue.
This won' t stop the awful amount of devaluation that Tesla has. A report came out in the Netherlands that the Tesla model 3 is the car with the most devaluation of all cars.
I saw that I can get a Cybertruck under the early access program for stockholders. Do I do it? I wasn't expecting it so fast and it would take some juggling financially to accomplish.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom yes he was well outside the warranty period on his pack(it was already a used tesla m3 to btw)and tesla specifically precludes any commercial use cases which is what uber or lyft ride sharing is classified as! Stupid whiny little bser took to social media and through go fund me and another prominent tesla youtuber promotion(kim cough cough) got himself a free pack worth of funds from strangers SMDH. 😑
Dont understand why anyone would even entertain the idea of replacing an EV battery as the cost of a new battery is generally higher than the value of the vehicle itself if its got a few years under its belt. No EV will retain its value long enough to warrant that sort of outlay , exactly the same as mobile phones .
On a base model 3 or an old LR, yeah sure, however if you have a later model LR or Perf model - No Thanks! A 0.5 sec drop in 0-60 perf sounds not much, however it's a huge drop in performance.
If ur already in this situation then u need question if ur making the same decision that put you in the situation... Cmon dude u gotta think. For the sake of 0.5 seconds 😂 damn dude
@se62hy *_"come on dude"_* . Just because I don't mean nothing to You , doesn't mean , It doesn't mean a lot to someone elses. The speed, that car can obtain, is a selling point for many people to buy it.
I've got a 4.6 second ICE - the times I call on that power are basically none. Only if I have a friend in the car and they want to see what it feels like.
I have a 3.5 sec Model Y and live in a rural area with most roads single lane and with limited passing opportunities, so I use every drop of that performance, when passing slower vehicles, especially trucks and 5th Wheels and would in fact like something quicker, so hoping for a ludicrous Model Y Juniper! @@mshackleton1
@@Devilhuo but you never have to replace or repair your battery once the decade is over. Say it's really 24k over a decade you paid less at the beginning in the first place plus never have to worry about battery degradation.
@@alhkcblack9617 EL6 starting from 55k without battery. And I don't need to feel the frustration at swapping station when the bolt is broken and you can't get battery swapped plus you have 5% juice leftover and Nio service line can't help you out. I will not buy it again.
This is what those idiots in the comments don’t get. By the time your battery pack is getting old you can get a modern replacement with those future energy densities for the market price at that time. Effectively your car will be better then when it was original.
The case for still using NMC chemistry is getting weaker. I'm only interested in an EV with lifepo4 batteries. Wouldn't touch a 2170 powered ev with a barge pole.
Roadster needs quad-motor torque vectoring (as good as the Sapphire) and variable steering-feel-by-wire. Those would be game changers, but I'm afraid his ass burgers gets in the way.
@ev.whykingThe Porche costs twice as much. That money ought to go somewhere. The Roadster 2, if it comes out, will be more in line with Taycan pricing. Hopefully, everything will look premium.
Only 70% after eight years is pretty shite to be honest on an overly expensive car, 95% would be acceptable. This only fuels EV depreciation and lack of willingness to switch to an EV from ICE. Designing batteries to be repaired, replaced or upgraded is the future.
Most people can dream about this upgrade but the old batteries do not seem to be failing. Perhaps they can discharge them and fast charge to 100% everyday to get the battery below 70%.
Just about every other car company that makes EVs have big devaluation problems. I don't think so for Teslas. But for the less informed, Tesla gets thrown into the group.
@@ohger1 Yes they do. In fact - they degrade faster than LFP. The ONLY reason Tesla recommends you charge to 100% is because it is extremely difficult to calculate the range on a partially-filled battery. The risk of someone running out of power is far greater than the "risk" of degradation... which is going to happen either way. Don't believe me? "Based on data from the Tessie app ...the trend tends to be substantially faster degradation from LFP batteries. "
@@Dave-cf4vdI think your story about their recommendation regarding charging LFP to 100% is right on the money. The voltage drop on nickel turnery batteries from empty to full is much higher, making it easy to calculate how charged it is. The LFP chemistry gives you a very consistent voltage, which is great, until it runs out. I think when you full charge it, Tesla measures how much energy you pulled out since you last charged it. LFP is supposed to have much higher cycle life, like 3000 to 5000 cycles, so it would be surprising if the degredation was high.
My 2016 Model S has covered 259,000 miles so far. I'm hoping that in the future, maybe 3 or so years down the road, there will be an option for a lighter pack, with a slight range improvement and faster charging, more in line with the later cars.
How many batteries/motors?
@@taylorc2542 more interesting is the motor. I lately saw a company wich repairs faulty older model s motors. These motors do have a bad sealing where coolant gets into the motor at some point. If noticed too late it gets into the electronics. But I really don't know on what milage this occurs. Later motors they said are a lot better.
So when you decide to sell your car to someone, what benefit can you pass on to the next owner?
He's only had to replace both motors twice, one under warranty. The battery was replaced only once and the replacement is still running strong at 71%.
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It would be an excellent idea to offer these upgrades to everyone as a paid for service. It would have major benefits for Tesla, its customers, and the planet. Tesla can still make money from the upgrades, and there would be less need to build more cars. Recyling old cars with new much more reliable and better range batteries would be a benefit to customers who might not be able to afford a brand new car, and of course it's a benefit to the planet also. It's the way forward.
It's a challenge though in terms of ensuring proper weight distribution, but it's worth the steps forward to achieve that closed-loop recycling dream.
Wow, that is better than getting a rebuilt 2170, truly a great idea, again wow that is awesome!
They are probably all 2170.. just LFP, they wouldn't fit a different cell size it would require to much reengineering
Tesla should offer extended warranties for the batteries and cars. They should have enough data now to price them. It would take uncertainty out for the owner or used car buyer. Tesla even could take into account past usage style, if it affects longevity.
They do and IMO the price doesn't inspire confidence.
@@justinr9753 Would you please share the data?
@justinr9753 yup yup I saw them and feel as you do.
I'm thinking this will be something I might do in 5 yrs from my 2170 batteries. My Model Ys range is still great and the battery after 2 yrs has no discernible degradation. And I keep accurate records too.
why did you not post the document??? You could have it in the background to where people could pause and read it.
He cranks out 10 videos a day. Don’t expect a lot of effort. 😂
I kinda like the performance of my 23 MYP with the 2170 cells. I wouldn't want it to be heavier than it now is. Maybe in 7 years from now they will have lighter LFP type batteries. I think it's a great idea to be able to upgrade batteries just like all the upgrades possible with ICE cars.
Catl could sell battery direct,for replacing
Got a |BYD Seal AWD, the LFP battery was one of the reasons.
Sounds great. I wish my 3 year old model 3 had one one of these LFP packs. At least I'm glad I have a car with a removable battery pack - gives me some options down the road. Maybe 3rd party batter pack manufacturers will even appear in the future, though I doubt Tesla would cooperate with them.
I've got a 2022 M3 LR AWD, probably won't have to worry about battery replacement for easily a decade (and rust is a bigger worry over that time), but would be interested to see the math of the LFP mentioned here compared to mine.
After three and a half years my 2019 model 3 had battery issues and required replacement under warranty. I requested a LFP replacement battery but the Tesla service center in Canberra advised that they could only replace like with like. I am happy with the replacement battery (but preferred LFP) and have an increased range of about 40 kms.
I have a 2021 model three and the HV batteries are out on the warranty. I just got a call from the service to ask if I want to replace my older batteries with the LFP. I said absolutely. So yeah this is a thing but only if your batteries go out on a warranty. I do see them offering this as an upgrade in the future.
This is a good idea for those that buy new every 5 years, And will increase value once that old
I would absolutely love it if this is a possible upgrade in the future. It would basically make my 2019 M3SR+ a brand new car and I might be able to keep it long enough to see the benefits of FSD😂
Well, the most capacity seen in an LFP pack for an M3 so far has been 62kWh. Do you have a number on the capacity of the new replacement pack?
Great video Sam! All were good ideas for consumers. Have to think about the business ramifications
so would this be a LR pack or a SR pack? If I have a damaged Model 3 Long Range is has (depending on manufacturer) around 80 kWh. Would the replacement be a similar capacity or would that be a smaller (standard range) pack?
Thanks for the information.
Our pleasure!
The LFP being discussed can be charged to 100%. But charging rates are 100KW less. More than 40% slower. Horrible on a trip. Plus, this “more range” claim than 2170s is flat wrong. Heavier and less power storage dense. Also, claim that Japanese-American made batteries are less reliable (defects) than ChiC0M, not true. If an owner does not ever road trip charge, charges at home overnight, local driving, these LFP can make sense.
I agree. This is important to consider, when the charge rate will be impacted, unless someone knows more about LFP Model 3s to suggest the charge rate for LFP can be done at 250kW and above.
I love all of the Electric Vicking Videos!
I wonder if structural battery packs will make things harder. I agree with the
Viking. I would love that as a service.
I think the problem for older Teslas is the hardware that's runs the software . We know with computers there operating systems degrade . With that loading can get quite slow and glitchy . I have a older laptop that allowed windows 10 upgrade some years back but won't allow windows 11 . It originally had windows 7 which Microsoft does not update . So there will be a time that Tesla may not update its older systems .
Let me give this a try. Tesla cars from 1000 feet up have several computer systems. The ones that come to mind are the display(s), FSD, and several RTOS based systems. RTOS meaning Real Time Operating System, a classification not a brand. Most everything that makes the car go happens in the RTOS systems because they give instant response. The display computer allows the driver to interface with car but little 'work' is done there. I am sure you can find better more detailed descriptions elsewhere on the net.
I think the replacement idea after the warranty is a great idea. What remains to be seen is the pricing. If it is priced well it would extend the life of Teslas and stimulate more used car sales.
Hiting 20.000 miles this week My Model y 2022
Would love a kit for my old classic car
I agree with Sam that Tesla should make this available for all Tesla owners to buy.
Most all the OEM have their many induce "planned obsolescence", forcing consumers to buy another vehicle after a certain time.
It seems Tesla doesn't play by their rules. So Tesla should open this *_"Sweet_** Battery Option"* to all owners of Tesla. 🤗
Are you a stockholder
As far as i know this is only available for the standard range model 3 and model y variant ? Does anyone know if this includes the long-range model 3 ? I dont think it does , i just want to be certain
Very very nice! I think with exclusion criteria warranty and "faulty battery" the amount of cars that will be elligible will be small. Faulty battery is an expression that hides susceptibility to interpretation for good and bad.
I like the idea of battery replacement as a service. But I think it will be a long while before we see that, because batteries are in high demand. Maybe when outgoing battery pack modules becomes a thing we might see service come into play as a convenience factor for another for profit business model I think would make most sense to Tesla.
Conversion kits would be very nice😃. If it also supports very good lane assist and adaptive cruise control, with Tesla motor and battery, that would be awesome.
My Bolt EV's ternary battery has an 8 year or 100k mile warranty, but I'm hoping it'll last 200k miles with reasonable care with maybe a 20% range loss. It's four years old and has 16k miles now, so I'll reach eight years long before I reach 100k miles. I may not own it when it reaches 200k miles, but if I do, a replacement battery may be very affordable by that time. EVs and especially EV batteries are improving so rapidly now that it's hard to imagine what they'll be like in a decade. If we have true robotaxis by then, I may not own a car at all. Subscribing to a service may be less expensive.
The car won't be worth much anyway. I've only driven one car 200k miles, a Toyota Celica. It was my first car, and it was literally falling apart when I finally sold it.
What would be the range of a LR3 with LFP?
The Long Range Model 3 with the LFP battery has an estimated range of around 360 miles.
@_beccaszn so this is available for the model 3 long range ?
Don't think I will bother with 2018 LR 80k miles, HW 2.5... Will just drive to 200k miles or when EAP transfer is available with new purchase.
LFP or LiFePO4 actually has been used in e-bikes since 2013. I used to build my e-bikes with them because it has double the life span of regular lithium batteries. However, in terms of peak voltage and weight, the 21700 is better. I suspect that’s why they will give the car new suspension to deal with the increased battery weight.
Hi, I need urgent advice!!! I have a model 3 2021 SR+ and recently the battery failed, I took to service under warranty they made me sign a paper saying I will be getting an LFP battery upgrade. Long story short, a week later my app notifies me that service is done. I go to the location and pick up my car and drive away. 3 weeks later I receive another call from tesla employee telling me I need to take. my car back to them because apparently my car was not accepting the LFP battery so they had to put the same older type of battery but during the service process they had put different suspension to accommodate the LFP battery (as mentioned here in the video), so therefore they need me to go back so they can replace the upgraded suspension back to my older system of suspension that is made for non-LFP cars....... It sounds fishy to me. Why was this not communicated to me during service? Please help me with advice. Thanks
My model Y battery went out at 44K. Tesla is offering this to me and gave me a loaner. I’ve been without a vehicle for nearly a month and if I choose to decline for this lithium battery, it’ll take another 3 weeks. What would you all do?
So, it's like a long term NIO swap. Cool. Hope my Cy-Truk comes with this swappable battery capability, when/if I can ever afford one !
Why not a 120kW LFP battery for my antique Model X 2016? For towing purposes of course.
Again great information, I would definitely like a service available as it would give me a peace of mind to buy. Has been one of my thoughts
Great idea Sam. Tesla should pay you for the suggestion.
Do you own stocks with Tesla
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 Yes
@@johnfrancis4401 have you heard about Tesla new innovation shares
@@johnfrancis4401 I’m thinking on getting the new innovation shares heard about it?
Just got my MY 2170 battery pack replaced under warrenty with the LFP pack. I suppose I should be happy but am unsure...
The kits idea is especially good. Now if legacy automakers just agreed to sell their cars without engines, gearboxes and fuel tanks, to substitute them with parts from kits would be especially good.
What is the price?
One of the benefits of a EV is how you can do upgrades. Look at Hyundai upgrading 2022 Ionic 5 with duel motors and heat pumps to get battery condition.
The issue at stake here is the high probability of M3/MY Std. Range needing warranty service of battery more frequently, due to reduced range, using up the max cycling faster. It is better to make it an upgrade, with a small 🥕 to add on(suspension improvement). It is also possible the new upgraded LFP battery needs an updated mount(part of suspension🤔).This will avoid unneeded free replacement service in future, while even paying for the supposedly free warranty replacement. Tesla is good at tracking numbers, and it seems to point this way. Just some 💭
What Tesla model you own !!!!!
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 2019 AWD, 2021 RWD
I would just prefer if they would offer LFP batteries in their long-range models with a bigger battery pack. I assume lots of taxi drivers would be positive in that sense they need to use super chargers during a work day. At least if the car is used by more than one driver per day.
Really my battery was just replaced. It is the same pack. maybe its not available yet
What Tesla model do you own!!!
How about a Mitsubishi PHEV retrofit with the new Tesla battery pack?
Electric cars, pickup trucks and S.U.V.s accounted for nearly 40 percent of new auto registrations in the San Jose California area in 2023 and about 34 percent in San Francisco, according to data from S&P Global Mobility, an automotive market research firm, that was published last week. Tesla continually improves all their products, even the cars they have sold in the past. Just one more reason potential competitiors aren't even trying to compete. Sad that legacy auto don't step up and try to emulate Tesla instead of resigning themselves to failure and bancruptcy.
And this is why I buy Tesla.....
Yes
They are doing it for themselves. Where do you think those old cells will go?
Of course they are doing it for themselves.
Most all the OEM have their many induce "planned obsolescence", forcing consumers to buy another vehicle after a certain time.
It seems Tesla doesn't play by their rules. So Tesla should open this *_"Sweet_** Battery Option"* to all owners of Tesla.
As far as old cells go, Tesla better be on top of this action, they don't want to screw themselves.
I'm quite sure with very low cost, batteries swap and someone getting 8 more years out of their Tesla. Tesla will have many happy customers .
What incentive can you pass on to me if and when i buy your USED 5-6 year old Tesla?
FSD
Will M3 owners now regularly run their batteries down to zero and leave them there, hoping to get below 70%?
But what is the total range in miles and kw?? Will it has more than 82kw??
It means that new model Y Juniper LR will have new LFP batteries with capacity about 79kWh net
Exciting. If battery packs can be replaced at a low cost, then people can keep their cars for a long time and help protect the environment. A new future where a car can last a long time.
Hi Sam .Which is the most insureable Chinese EV car in uk?
Also , how long before we can get reconditioned LFP batteries at a reasonable price to switch in a model Y?
@ev.whyking😂
I saw that I can get a Cybertruck under the early access program for stockholders. Do I do it? I wasn't expecting it so fast and it would take some juggling financially to accomplish.
I want a 400 mile claimed ranger so and can get and actual range of 300 miles on the highway . In 3 or 4 years the battery's should
be much better than they are now in all techs.
Compared to ICE's BEV's range is inverse between city and highway. Mileage estimates are usually mixed or combined so when on the highway you always see less range, but in the city you get the rated ranger or more. It throws some people who are used to it being the other way around.
As battery technology advances I hope all EV makers will offer upgrades. They could make as much profit as selling a new car without the cost of having the make the entire car.
There will be some limits, if new battery tech changes the size of the pack at all putting in a new pack won't be an option.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom If the technology really does "advance" it should take fewer or the same number of batteries to give the same amount of range or better. However, the charger and software may need to be changed too if you want it to charge faster.
Yup give folks a decent trade in credit(used pack level values for recycling are $2,500-$3,500 currently for ev pack's and more if taken apart and sold as modules for conversions and home storage. And states should offer say a $1,000 credit for any 3-5 year old ev pack replacement.
Could bring replacing a battery down to $4-6k that way. Or about the same as a rebuilt trans or rebuilt engine costs.
Then buying a cheap used ev, made cheaper by the 4k used ev credit and slapping one of these pack's in would make sense for lower&middle income folks very quickly.
Even used ev car dealers if state incentives existed could go confidently buy up low range older used evs, swap in newer pack's and ask 6-8k more post upgrade for them and get it with the used ev 4k credit no problem. 👍🏻😎
@@frankcoffeywhat Tesla model do you own
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 We have a '22 Model 3 and a '23 Model Y both the long range versions.
This is in the agreement as you order your Model 3. Thanks for getting the word out.
pretty good deal!
I dont think Viking fully understands the engineering behind a LiPo to LiFePo4 transition.
LiFePo4 has lower voltage per cell (4.2v vs 3.3v) and therefore less energy density across the whole battery.
Probably also lower total battery voltage when fully charged so less power there too.
Also LFP have a cold start problem, if you live in cold areas it's not recommended, sure it's been improved, but still.
Are Tesla saying you have more range because you can charge to 100% instead of 80% ? LFP batteries are now 40% cheaper so Tesla will save money on replacing your battery pack under warranty. Will Porsche and VW group offer this ?
I’d want to see this in writing. Right now, people are saying they are getting “reconditioned” batteries as replacements.
I would like a dash upgrade to a drivers display or head up display.
Here in Canada, A news report just showed it takes seven to 10 years to break even on an average Tesla EV purchase - just in time to have to re;place your battery.
How do you 'break even' on any car purchase, EV or ICE?
@@johnbevan9086 break even on this case means the premium paid for an EV compared to an ICE - here’s a snippet -“If you're wondering whether the gas savings are worth the extra money you'd spend on an EV, a new UBC study has some answers….” The quick answer - 10 years but by then you have to pay for a new battery - while the ICE vehicle will likely march on - Crazy, eh? 😁
@pilotleader for me this pretty wildy wrong, but I do drive more than most. I have a 2021 standard range model y which cost out the door taxes and rebates in and everything for $64K canadian. I've done just over 100k kms as of now (3 yrs of ownership)and my estimated savings (total gas savings - electricity cost to charge) is at $21k. So for me in 9 years the car will have cost nothing, and about $1100/year in electricity. Plus my HV battery is being replaced under warranty so I may get close to 9 years before I need another one.
This warranty upgrade is a great idea if Tesla honors it down the road. Most car manufacturers are shady except for Lexus when it comes to warranties. Why not a Tesla conversion kit? Most ICE conversions now a days are done with old Tesla parts anyway
good video
liked
Brilliant and safer.
If Tesla paid more attention to out of warranty service/sales, the ongoing battery FUD out there would have no leg to stand on, because this is what people look at - after 8 years will the car become one huge brick, because so far I have yet to hear of a single Tesla reaching 300K without any major super expensive part replacement (i.e. motor or battery).
This would all be much easier if Tesla had developed a battery pack interface standard covering mechanical, electrical, data and coolant connections. But, as you have repeatedly made clear, you don't generally approve of such a thing, Sam.
Will Tesla be able to recycle the batteries to get more Lithium?
Yes sorta what Tesla model do you own
This is why Nio will be a competitor in the EV market due to its-high tech battery swap stations. Battery degradation is a non factor for as long as you own the vehicle.
Yes that is a option but in the long term it costs more
@@chriskirkman6049 what cost more ?
doing the battery swap, yes the car is cheaper to buy , but they charge for each swap and long term it costs more than if you brought a EV with a battery. But also batteries in the EV;s are lasting longer and this seems a bit pointless.
@@chriskirkman6049 sir you have to pay to charge your Ev anyway , with Nio you have two choice. For those who have time , will have 20 - 30 min to charge however, they will be some that don’t have the time , so they will go with battery swap which takes 5 min. In terms of batteries tech , as you can see many batteries are setting on fire. This is a concerned for many retailers. The batteries are built with components that wear out. That’s why swapping is the future.
Have you looked at the Li Auto Mega this will charge 10% to 80% in 12 mins giving you a range of 500km , this is what i am meaning battery tech is changing so fast, charging times soon are not going to be the issue.
Range should be higher with the 2170 cells vs. LFP.
Depends on how you charge it though. Lfp is good to go for 0-100% use daily, nmc not so MUCH daily use of 100%.
This won' t stop the awful amount of devaluation that Tesla has. A report came out in the Netherlands that the Tesla model 3 is the car with the most devaluation of all cars.
Probably mainly due to the relentless, and brutal, new price decrease policy of Tesla rather than lack of intrisic value.
In France, you can't find any décent used model 3 for less than 30k€. You Can get a brand New one for 38k€, this is non sense.
In America, with "Hertz Rental Car company" dumping most all their Teslas onto the market, that action for sure can not help Teslas resale value.
@@vanadium0101 +1, same for the model Y, no benefit in purchasing used in France. You even have many offers above the new price!
Can you provide a link to this report?
I saw that I can get a Cybertruck under the early access program for stockholders. Do I do it? I wasn't expecting it so fast and it would take some juggling financially to accomplish.
Can you tell me where that early access is accomplished? I'm a current CT reservation holder -- and hold stock as well. Are there minimums etc.?
Forget my earlier post -- its just for long term shareholders. Oh well.
@@RandyP-jr1ekyes they are
@@RandyP-jr1ekare you also a stockholder
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 Yes. Short Term though - so no joy.
Half a second slower to 100. A deal breaker?
Cheers mate
A kit for converting an ICE car to a BEV from Tesla? No way.
There was an Uber driver that put on 100 k in one year, Supercharging two times a day. He blew out his pack and couldn't get any help from Tesla
Was he outside the warranty period?
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom yes he was well outside the warranty period on his pack(it was already a used tesla m3 to btw)and tesla specifically precludes any commercial use cases which is what uber or lyft ride sharing is classified as!
Stupid whiny little bser took to social media and through go fund me and another prominent tesla youtuber promotion(kim cough cough) got himself a free pack worth of funds from strangers SMDH. 😑
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom I don't think so. It was more an issue of frequent supercharging
@@dougsheldon5560what Tesla model do you own
Dont understand why anyone would even entertain the idea of replacing an EV battery as the cost of a new battery is generally higher than the value of the vehicle itself if its got a few years under its belt. No EV will retain its value long enough to warrant that sort of outlay , exactly the same as mobile phones .
I want my RX4 converted to EV.
A model 3?
I have lfp and 103 000 km and counting
On a base model 3 or an old LR, yeah sure, however if you have a later model LR or Perf model - No Thanks! A 0.5 sec drop in 0-60 perf sounds not much, however it's a huge drop in performance.
If ur already in this situation then u need question if ur making the same decision that put you in the situation... Cmon dude u gotta think. For the sake of 0.5 seconds 😂 damn dude
@se62hy *_"come on dude"_* .
Just because I don't mean nothing to You , doesn't mean , It doesn't mean a lot to someone elses.
The speed, that car can obtain, is a selling point for many people to buy it.
I've got a 4.6 second ICE - the times I call on that power are basically none. Only if I have a friend in the car and they want to see what it feels like.
@@mshackleton1 So do I. I enjoy the thrust every single day.
I have a 3.5 sec Model Y and live in a rural area with most roads single lane and with limited passing opportunities, so I use every drop of that performance, when passing slower vehicles, especially trucks and 5th Wheels and would in fact like something quicker, so hoping for a ludicrous Model Y Juniper! @@mshackleton1
My thoughts are where is your UA-cam silver play button ▶ or why don't you display it 🤷🏼♂
He’s humble
@@FrankGallagherr 😂 so am I 😂
@@dougsphoto L😂L
You love the needle "Sam" 💉
That's one thing good about the nio model. This kind of concern isn't there.
Yes. you can buy an EV without battery and pay monthly fee 199/299 for your battery. 24k for battery renting for a decade.😂
Except with the nio you're locked to a pack size and weight which means upgrades in the future are constrained. There are always trade offs.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom locked to a pack size? What you mean? There are different sized batteries you can swap out.
@@Devilhuo but you never have to replace or repair your battery once the decade is over. Say it's really 24k over a decade you paid less at the beginning in the first place plus never have to worry about battery degradation.
@@alhkcblack9617 EL6 starting from 55k without battery. And I don't need to feel the frustration at swapping station when the bolt is broken and you can't get battery swapped plus you have 5% juice leftover and Nio service line can't help you out. I will not buy it again.
Where are you getting this kind of info? This makes no sense.
Nice
Thanks
But not for 4680 batteries, that is used in Model Ys and Cybertrucks. Because it is impossible.
This is what those idiots in the comments don’t get. By the time your battery pack is getting old you can get a modern replacement with those future energy densities for the market price at that time. Effectively your car will be better then when it was original.
People are reluctant to commit as the cars change specifications so frequently!
The case for still using NMC chemistry is getting weaker. I'm only interested in an EV with lifepo4 batteries. Wouldn't touch a 2170 powered ev with a barge pole.
Elon has to up the ante on the plaid to smoke the Taycan’s GT
Yes! Remove the back seat, second screen, etc OH! and don't forget to charge $100,000 more!
Roadster needs quad-motor torque vectoring (as good as the Sapphire) and variable steering-feel-by-wire. Those would be game changers, but I'm afraid his ass burgers gets in the way.
@ev.whykingThe Porche costs twice as much. That money ought to go somewhere. The Roadster 2, if it comes out, will be more in line with Taycan pricing. Hopefully, everything will look premium.
Those aren't 2170 cells in the B-roll video.
Only 70% after eight years is pretty shite to be honest on an overly expensive car, 95% would be acceptable. This only fuels EV depreciation and lack of willingness to switch to an EV from ICE. Designing batteries to be repaired, replaced or upgraded is the future.
Thats the reality of batteries. What yo consider acceptable might be convenient for you but it's just not realistic. Luddites will struggle with that.
Most people can dream about this upgrade but the old batteries do not seem to be failing. Perhaps they can discharge them and fast charge to 100% everyday to get the battery below 70%.
It will happen soon
This guy has the same voice as PlanB
Your elefant hangs slightly askew on the wall.
People keep saying that electric cars lose value but you don’t get cheap old Teslas. This is another reason why.
Just about every other car company that makes EVs have big devaluation problems.
I don't think so for Teslas.
But for the less informed, Tesla gets thrown into the group.
This has been a problem with all EVs all along... there's no plan for battery upgrades... buy a new car. There ought to be a law...
You're being silly.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoomdo you own a Tesla
LFP batteries doesn't benefit from being charged to 100% daily. The degradation is higher in LFP in the beginning.
LFPs don't benefit but then they don't suffer from full charging which is the point.
@@ohger1 True
@@ohger1 Yes they do. In fact - they degrade faster than LFP. The ONLY reason Tesla recommends you charge to 100% is because it is extremely difficult to calculate the range on a partially-filled battery. The risk of someone running out of power is far greater than the "risk" of degradation... which is going to happen either way. Don't believe me? "Based on data from the Tessie app ...the trend tends to be substantially faster degradation from LFP batteries. "
@@Dave-cf4vdI think your story about their recommendation regarding charging LFP to 100% is right on the money. The voltage drop on nickel turnery batteries from empty to full is much higher, making it easy to calculate how charged it is. The LFP chemistry gives you a very consistent voltage, which is great, until it runs out. I think when you full charge it, Tesla measures how much energy you pulled out since you last charged it. LFP is supposed to have much higher cycle life, like 3000 to 5000 cycles, so it would be surprising if the degredation was high.