@@TommoMcCluskey yours was fantastic. And as a Ferrari fan, I gotta admit- while Charles has been fantastic, max and George have been even better. I’m also so glad you highlighted Lewis’s strong performances, as well as Seb’ sand fernando’s. Those three world champs have had terrible luck C this season, and their race craft is indicative of just how good they are
It's actually a bit scary to realize we've already hit mid-season mark. To me it still feels the season have just started and we're only 3 or 5 races into it.
Saying Mick has had a better season so far than either Seb, Tsunoda and Gasly is a BIG stretch IMO by the voters. I mean Seb especially has got more points in less races started, had less huge crashes and has done it in a way worse car.
I agree with you on Seb. He definitely seems to have recovered his form lately and is getting the most out what he is given. I just hope he keeps scoring points consistently, otherwise Stroll might do his thing where he randomly peaks for one weekend and gets a super result out of nowhere to outscore Seb in the end. That's what bothers me most about Stroll. The guy is a walking slot machine.
@@lpvettel silverstone was an easy 7th if we pitted for soft , miami we were 9th despite starting from pitlane , in austria seb was doing same laptimes as the haas guys ( seb was a bit faster ) before getting taken out by gasly. It would be around 25 if not more
@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 Miami would have been P8, Silverstone would have been P7 and Austria I think it would have been P10 max. So 24. I forgot about Silverstone
I think some people really just hate Vettel. You cant vote him only 5.9 for that season he had so far. Many people just see "Ah 4 times wdc" and not that he is in the second worst car and is beating his team mate nearly every race by 0.5s-1s in quali and 0.5s in the race. That is what Seb could have had the whole season without people fcking his race up Bahrain/Saudi-Covid Australia-DNF Imola-P8 Miami-DNF crashed by mick could have been P7 Spain-P11 Monaco-P10 Baku-P6 Canada-P12 Silverstone-P9 Austria- crashed by Albon in sprint/Gasly in race. Pace wise 7th fastest on track(P9-P7 possible) He could have 27 Points
Finally, some sense I can never understand the hate on vettel He's been amazing this year in that absolute shitbox I hope he continues and gets his chance of actually winning and enjoying his time in f1 again
@@mathieudrouin4461 Even if he doesnt have those extra 27 points. Seb is still very much driving that car to probably its absolute limit. So i dont get why you're focusing on that point alone
I feel like bagging Leclerc for one mistake and putting him P3 then mentioning 2 of George's mistakes and giving him P2 seems unfair and it still remains that Mercedes can't get on the podium if either Ferrari or Red Bull don't have a problem
it's a fine margin either way you look at it, however I can understand why he has gone for his respective ratings. Both of Georges incidents were more severe than Leclerc's single incident, but are also kind of hard to judge him too harshly on. When Perez went round the outside of him in Austria, you can see his car become unsettled over the curb and thus understeers into Perez. Similarly when he closed the gap on Gasly too late, he couldn't/ didn't see Gasly in his mirror, don't get me wrong, it was a horrific crash that could have been avoided if a slight bit more care was taken, but at the same time, leaving the start line is one of the most stressful parts of the whole race for a lot of the drivers. Leclerc however was quite a length into his stint at Imola, and although he was pushing hard to catch up to Perez, he has come out and said himself that the spin was caused due to being too 'greedy'. Leclerc's spin was WAY more avoidable than the incidents with George, had he just approached the corner taking less of the sausage curb. You could make the argument that 'George could've avoided curb going into the corner as well', but he was under tremendous pressure being lap 1, and really it would've been an incredibly minor mistake had Perez not been on the outside, He may have run a little wide, but wasn't going to be anywhere near putting himself into the wall or sand trap. Then when you go on to compare that this is George's first year with mercedes (minus the one race at Bahrain), managing p5 or higher every race for the first 9 races in a car that looked like a boat to drive, especially in the first few races of the season, as WELL as the incredible battle between him and Max at Spain, I think he is well deserving of P2. I think Charles statistically looks a lot better on paper, but his mistake seemed so amateur spinning at Imola, and he was lucky to not be DNF'd given how hard he went into the wall. As I said, it's such a fine margin between the two of them that it was always going to be difficult to choose who should be above who, and at the end of the day, it's all personal opinion. I think they are both great drivers and I'm excited to see them battling for a few years to come.
@@TheVurtigo can we please stop with the “boat of a car” nonsense. It’s easily the third quickest car on race pace every weekend. Let’s not pretend it’s a miracle he’s finishing top 5, top 6 is literally bare minimum for that Merc.
@@niallhiggins2342 I said moreso at the start of the season. I think he adapted well to it coming from an underperforming team whereas lewis had to adapt to a car with shortcomings. Yes, now the car is easily sitting 3rd, and by the end of the season the car may be contending against the Red Bull and Ferrari, that's the way it goes when they develop over a season. But it was not that way at the start of the season. Don't take credit from him for the work he put in early in the season.
People having short memory it seems uh. Gasly has been so unlucky but everybody seems to be ignoring it Bahrain: engine gone while in p9, lost 2 points, potential p7 counting the red bulls too. Imola, pit stop at the wrong time, stuck behind albon, potential p8 lost Miami: suspension broken by Alonso: potential p7 lost Spain: broken floor Azerbaijan: wrong strategy, potential p4 lost Monaco: out in q1 because of the team’s bad timing while having top 5 pace all weekend: potential p5 lost Silverstone: taken out by tsunoda: potential points lost For a great total of 30 points lost, which would put him at 46 points
@@korviz1060 Indeed, it isn’t the drivers fault, but it was a conscious decision from the team and therefore it can’t be categorized as “unluck”. Gasly just needs to join a better team, maybe an Alpine.
Seb is doing at Aston what Albon is doing at Williams. They're driving the two worst cars on the grid and somehow dragging them to points on merit. That's mega impressive to me.
Russel does have business being that high. Leclerc has been driving really well, but he has had more personal mistakes than Russell and you forgot that Russel had a perfect top 5 finish every race with probably a car that was barely enough for that at the start of the season that he did lose later but whenever he doesnt have damage or failiures you can expect him to find his spot in the top 5. Lewis Hamilton was looking unstoppable last season compared to Bottas and Russell has been fighting with Hamilton if not besting him very regularly. Lewis has had bad luck so without that bad luck maybe Hamilton would be ahead of Russell in points but in terms of perfect driving Russell has been outperforming Leclerc relative to where their teams and cars are at. Verstappen has been flawless, only losing out in austria due to the team going the wrong way with development and car failiures. Tommo got the top 3 bang on(and probably others as well but not gonna focus on that rn)
@@kasparpaukson3543 tbh ferrari is at fault for most of charles's worse races this season. leaving him out to defend with hard tyres @ silverstone, the pit mishap @ monaco, etc. like the previous commenter said, the only major driver error he's made was at imola.
@@kasparpaukson3543 leclerc only made 1 mistake and the other times he didn’t win (recently) are not because he made mistakes but because of reliability and Ferrari strategy
I respect that but I feel you are underrating Charles Leclerc here 🇧🇭 - Pole + won with FL 🇸🇦 - 2nd best, got the FL 🇦🇺 - Pole + won with FL 🇮🇹 - 2nd best in Sprint, slow start because of the asphalt strip. Spun and finished p6 (right, i agree that was a bad week for him) 🇺🇲 - Pole + 2nd best in the race 🇪🇸 - Pole + should've comfortably won but engine failure 🇲🇨 - Pole + should've comfortably won but strategy tax 🇦🇿 - Pole + should've won at that point when Ferrari's strategy was better than RB so far but engine failure 🇨🇦 - last to P5 🇬🇧 - should've won but strategy again 🇦🇹 - won for me the best driver this year so far has to be him
Pole means nothing if Leclerc can't win the race. He wouldn't have won Baku because redbull were clear. Last to P5 in Canada in the fastest car is extremely underwhelming and he spent most of the middle of the race fighting with Ocon.
@@alejandroquinones3636 it’s a hard track for overtaking and the fact he was starting P20 in the first place had nothing to do with his own performance
@@alejandroquinones3636 it’s a hard track for overtaking and the fact he was starting P20 in the first place had nothing to do with his own performance
Mick I’d say positives are from Canada onwards (remember he qualified 6th and was on for points before car gave up)... so technically it’s the last 3 races and 3 races in a row suggests that the consistency is there and that they are no longer fluke drives and he’s got there now. Mick’s year and a half tradition to start Schumachering suddenly, once again seems to be coming true
Trying to judge Charles based off of one mistake in one race that didn’t even lose him that many points seems a bit strange to me. I think George has been good but a lot of his results have been dependent on retirements from Red Bull and ferrari. Maybe I’m just a Charles fanboy but that’s just how I feel 🤷♂️.
Tommo I do genuinely like your content tho I completely disagree with placing Russel higher than Leclerc in the standings. How can you be more impressed by someone who in the last two races made mistakes costing both him and his rivals (Zhou at Silverstone, Checo in Austria) than by someone who except for one mistake at Imola (which cost him and ONLY him) is driving a FAULTLESS season so far? Come on, it is not Charles's fault that he has a team full of clowns who don't know how to make a strategy or don't have the balls to claim that they have a clear nr1 driver. Don't want to call it British bias, but come on mate, give my boy Charles a bit more praise, he deserves it completely this year. If not for him, the title battle would have already been over, and, in my opinion, it speaks volumes :)
Silverstone he made a mistake that could've cost him and Perez, he simply got lucky. If anything I believe both those errors were worse than Russels in the last two races. Leclerc has been the more exciting driver this year but I think Russel has been the better driver by a hair.
That imola myth is so not true.... British gp he lost the car in his last run started p3 and losses the start to checo what does he do runs over a curb and his checo on the side damaging his and checos race why didnt you name that mistake? Baku he looked up as p1? Miami he looked up in turn 6-7 being behinf max just 3 sec and lost bec of that over 5 sec.... Austria he defends hard againsz his teammate costing both a lot of time but people somehow try giving the fault to sainz when leclerc fails to perform in quali..... People think that leclerc is just unlucky but he does a lot of small mistakes or aggressive moves
Maaan charles p3 is a huge L I kinda agree on the rest Russel is insanely good but he got lucky so many times and he made mistakes in the last two races Charles only mistake was in Imola, other races he was so unlucky and got screwed by his own team, his performance is so perfect this year and he's getting everything out of that ferrari he makes Carlos look like a rookie
@@Lapichant I agree, for me the Imola crash is the only clear difference between these two that puts Max ahead, it's unfortunate but the redbull car was insanely fast and Charles was doing everything to get that second place On the other hand Max did a mistake in Spain but he got lucky cause Charles retired so it didn't cost him anything
@@dimebagdd Actually Leclerc did make mistake not just in Imola His last lap quali on Silverstone was bad thanks to sector 2-3, left him third on the grid, without that pole for him
4 races where Leclerc lost a lead because of his team (3 were almost guaranteed wins) 1) Barcelona, 15 seconds ahead comfortably after putting it on pole when he retired 2) Monaco, two tragic pit stop mistakes lost him the lead after putting it on pole and put him all the way down to fourth 3) Baku, DNF from lead again (this is the one where I don't know if he would have won bc RB was on a different strategy and looked to have better pace, but VSC may have helped him.) 4) Silverstone, was leading and had the best pace on hards despite having a broken front wing the ENTIRE race and Ferrari did not pit him, fought well but ultimately did not even finish on podium, all three cars with softs overtook him. (plus there is Canada ofc which was a write off from the start bc of engine penalties, though still great recovery overall) Max has had two DNFs to be fair, but they were both from P2, and the Silverstone issue didn't hurt him as much in the championship bc Ferrari also fucked up with Leclerc. Even with his mistake in Imola, Leclerc has on average been the best driver this season imo, but it's hard to win a championship when it seems like your own team is competing against you!
@@joshharrison619 ok fair enough but easily Charles should have won Monaco and at minimum p2 in silverstone . Reliability and engine penalties is tough luck but strategy gaffes are not excusable
@@joshharrison619 Okay that's fair, max didn't DNF but was winning when he went over the debris and did a good job to nurse it to P7, I totally agree. What is tragic if you're Charles is that he wasn't even able to properly take advantage of that and close the wdc gap bc they didn't pit him and he only ended up in 4th, so only made up like 6 points on Max.
Gotta say even though i love George, his luck was 10/10 so far. He was always "there" to benefit from others mistakes and raced on his own mostly with large time gaps both front and back. If it wasn't for the shenanigans I'd rate Checo and Leclerc ahead of him.
I think there is something to be said of the Merc's reliability too. Merc haven't had a mechanical failure all year, I'm not even sure they've had a technical issue at all.
Having the "skill" to pick up points when RB or Ferrari messes up is an important quality too. It comes from relentless consistency of being right behind them, often ahead of Lewis.
Charles 3rd?! That’s mad! He has made perhaps 1 singular mistake the whole season, other than that he has capitalised on every single chance to succeed when he has not had awful luck! I really can’t imagine what more he could do right now.
@Kristian Radic yea but i mean were talking about a comparison leclerc and max here, they are for sure 1 and 2. These guys been driving like absolute beasts, max made basically 0 misstakes and leclerc made 1. Russel has been a hell of a beast as well this year but has made slightly more misstakes, about 2/3. So putting him above leclerc and/or max is just bs tbh.
The Russell one is definitely controversial. Don't get me wrong he has done really well. Consistent ? Yes. But, he has put that car where it pretty much belongs as the 3rd fastest car and nowhere more. Lewis has definitely looked like he has got back on it in the last few races and in my opinion he has looked a lot more likely to score that win that mercedes are eluded this season. Charles I think has been better. Just so unlucky that Ferrari are idiots. Retirements from comfortable leading positions, strategy calls that cost him wins and benefited Sainz instead like in Monaco and Silverstone. Sainz. Who this season has been nowhere near the high standards that he has set. Ferrari are mugs for not having the balls to make Charles clear no.1 and giving him the strategy advantage considering he is the closest rival of Max and the gap between him and Max in the standings is on Ferrari entirely.
Hats off to Russell being "Mr. Consistency," but it's only meaningful if that's a 1, 2, or 3 every time in terms of championships and constructors, and even he knows this. He is right where he's supposed to be given he's in a Merc, but for me, if you can drag a Williams into the points, surely there has to be something in him that can keep getting his Merc into 3rd, ****at least on occasion given he's up against a couples of horses and bulls. And Charles---I think outside of maybe 2 races, Ferrari strat has screwed him along with a couple of DNF's for good measure. If he can literally fight his team on literally everything, he may have a chance.
Only the british bias is hyping up Russell. "Top 5 finishes", yeah but that's like hyping up Max for being top 3, Russell only has to beat the alpines to be in top five, since Ferrari and Red Bull have had reliability issues. He's where he should be, but is quite possibly the most boring driver on track.
charles has been the fastest in quali easily this season. that combined with him being the 2nd fastest in race aswell and putting him behind george looks stupid
Personally I’d have Charles second but it’s certainly close between him and George. Charles is currently way of in the championship he’s made a few costly mistakes and he generally hasn’t had the pace to convert his great qualifying into race wins
Just because you have been more impressed by george over charles doesnt mean he performed better, this rating should be based on their performance not what you expect from the drivers.
Pretty much the only one I disagreed with (by a lot) was Charles below Russel. Leclerc made one single mistake all season, Russel has done 1 as well, potentially 2, and Charles pace has been ridiculous, 9-1 against Sainz in qualifying, and is not leading the championship because of team cock-ups.
Leclerc has made 2 mistakes the entire season, 1 in qualifying in silverstone and 1 during the race in imola, aside from that he dominated spain, dominated in Australia with grand chelem, would've won in monaco and britain if not for strategy fuck ups, has the most poles in the season, had an engine penalty in canada but was fastest on track and probably would've been p4 if not for the safety car screw up despite starting p19, he has out qualified sainz 9-1 (not counting canada because he made no attempts to make it to q3 because of the grid penalty), he has been better that sainz in every race + sprint races, and despite that you think he is behind george who has been at most on par with Hamilton. Also last year you ranked Sainz above Leclerc even though charles was faster the entire season with exception of the last 2 races. I'm starting to think you have a bias against Charles
I sense a bit of a Charles fan. For last year: you need to look at the context. It was Sainz his first year with Ferrari so he exceeded all expectations. Russell is comfortably beating Hamilton which is just mad impressive. His only mistake is DNFing in Silverstone. Whereas Ferrari keep screwing up with Charles which is unfortunate for him, but it's reality. You can't keep saying if this engine failure didn't happen, if that safety car didn't happen, he would be world champ. It just ain't that way.
@@elionmaters9985 Leclerc was way faster last season than Sainz as well.. Sainz was extremely lucky last season.. Russell is not beating Hamilton. Hamilton has been a guinea pig for Mercedes and has been very unlucky this season. On a clean weekand, Hamilton is comfortably faster with race pace and gets more out of Mercedes. Leclerc has been near perfect this season, tho. Better than Russell
@@elionmaters9985 okay but these aren’t the standings, these are power rankings *SPECIFICALLY* based on a driver’s performance. You cannot tell me that Ferrari have not severely handicapped Leclerc based on how incompetent they’ve been since Spain and yet he’s still 2nd in points. Even last year when Sainz beat him, Ferrari botched Leclerc’s strategy in Russia (drove from the rear to P7 before the late rain), Turkey (threw away an easy podium keeping him out too long), and Abu Dhabi (boxed for tires out of P7 and finished P10). Seems like nobody seems to take that into account when it clearly proves Leclerc outperformed Sainz even last year, Ferrari just being Ferrari screwed him over.
So in your opinion, Charles has done one mistake and is third whereas Max has made one mistake in Spain (which didn't result in a loss in points because there's gravel and not the wall and because Ferrari's engine went bang) and he's first and George is second even after his British exercise with Zhou and, despite not being largely his fault, Austrian tangle with Checo? That's... Let's say interesting
@paper plane Max also spun in quali (though it didn't matter as much as it did with Charles, that's true) and that tangle with Perez was not really necessarily his fault, he went there and Checo close the gap a bit too late. Not Checo's fault, not Charles' fault, stuff happens.
@paper plane so max pushing mick out of race track in silverstone wasnt a mistake and he also made a rookie error of running over the debris when 19 others dint. It ruined his race. Max also hasnt been on it in qualis like last year.
Thank you for always analyzing Ocon’s driving fairly. I’m so tired of him being ignored by race announcers and slammed by the pundits. He may not be as slick socially as some drivers, but he also doesn’t have the sharp tongue. He deserves fair credit when it’s due. Thank you for getting me through the summer break; it feels endless!
I disagree with Leclerc being 3rd. Saudi, Imola, and Miami Max deserved to win. But Spain, he had that one easily if his engine didn’t blow. Monaco also was an easy win if his strategy wasn’t terrible. In Baku he was next to Verstappen before he pit, he might’ve won that one. In Canada he was faster than Max if it wasn’t for the grid penalty, even then, he would’ve had a podium if it wasn’t for the horrible second pit stop that put him behind a 4 car train. And obviously he would’ve won in GB if they allowed him to pit under the SC.
More like 2003-2004 Alonso. He ran circles around his teammates in 2008-2009. In 2004 Trulli beat Alonso in the first half of the season like Ocon this year.
Can’t agree with Leclerc… he’s supreme in qualifying against sainz compared to Russel against Hamilton. Makes no error and gives us the best battles without controversies. So he could actually deserve first place. Imola mistake ok. But max is completely off the pace in Monaco (has a proper underperforming performance compared to the excellence he is usually). Whereas Charles has had no weekend off the pace. And no mistakes except a small one. You shitting me placing him 3rd… He’s gonna continue smashing the championship with no mistake just like Max did last year. Sidenote : Hamilton deserves to be a bit higher with the pace he had certain weekends
The cope with this man. "Charles' mistake doesn't matter guys and ignore the races where Max just smoked him. Max was a bit slower one weekend so he is definitely the worse driver overall.". Stop the cap, copium is addictive. And this weekend French GP proved that Leclerc is not ready for a championship. Crashing while driving by himself not even in a battle or being chased. Unforced errors show cracks, and Leclerc shown 2 already.
The worst rating you've ever given, including putting Ricciardo as a possible winner for 2021. Russell ahead of Leclerc seems like a British bias or fanboying or both.
Charles has literally been the best performer for the whole season 💀 only mistake was in Imola, not even Sky Sports f1 would but Russell p2. I'd honestly argue Charles has been better than Max. Max has been completely solid but he hasn't been under pressure either and his h2h is much closer against perez than Charles vs Carlos, Charles has routinely embarrassed Carlos. Nahh I swear this is just to get engagement comments like this one lol
exactly and max has the benefit of the easiest car to drive (not necessarily the quickest but the easiest to control) as well as the best strategy and pits department in F1. In that aspect Id put performances of merc drivers and charles above him.
@@lionshistoryandgeography how exactly? Perez has out qualified Max on merit multiple times, whereas Sainz only out qualified Charles in the wet and with an engine penalty. Perez also has to deal with team orders favouring Max whereas Charles and Carlos are allowed to fight. Yes Carlos has also had bad luck but he's also made SO many more mistakes than Charles, who apart from Imola has driven flawlessly. You don't remember the start of the season where he was going into the gravel every other race? Pure pace is harder to quantify than h2h stats but Charles is undeniably faster, there hasn't been a single time where Sainz genuinely and fairly outraged him. Most of the time he was 10+ seconds behind.
couldn't agree more tbh. I don't usually care enough to leave a like/dislike in a video, but this time, Tommo's opinions about Charles just left me speechless and it pisses the shit out of me that I left a dislike afterwards. This video is such a rare L from Tommo.
I see what you mean but George has been sensational this season. To be top 5 in every single race, up until Great Britain, in a car that has been circling the news about how bad it is, arguably the GOAT struggling massively in the first few races of the season is extremely impressive. All the eyes have been on him and its a huge step up from being a consistent marker and yet he looks like he's been in the team for years. He's literally not had 1 bad race. I think Leclerc should be ahead but it's definitely not wrong to put Russell ahead. It's a matter of opinion. You're underestimating how incredible he's done.
Great video and respect your opinion. Just speaking objectively, I would put Charles a minimum of P2. You cannot deny he has done nothing wrong all season except in Imola. Max had that mistake in Spain going off but no-one mentions it because he won due a Charles PU retirement. Russell has been amazing but he can't be put infront of Charles.
British gp he lost the car in his last run? Baku he looked up as p1? Miami he looked up in turn 6-7 being behinf max just 3 sec and lost bec of that over 5 sec.... People think that leclerc is just unlucky but he does a lot of small mistakes when it counts pushing to hard thats not WC level of driving
Leclerc did make mistake though beside Imola His last lap on Silverstone qualifying was pretty bad though, leaved him third on the grid on the lap could be for pole And some mistake strategy he did not even speak. He could tell the radio to denied these strategy
@@luuduonghy659 et how he dameged his wing by losing the start against checo and then diving into his side making him slower if that doesnt happen he probably overtake sainz way earlier and wins by 20 sec
To acknowledge recency bias (which I think is a real issue for these rankings), maybe consider having these polls after every race, rating the drivers simply for that one race?
I'm sorry but putting Leclerc P3 is just wrong. The man has been driving like a maniac all season, sometimes even against his own team and its decisions; the only real mistake he can be accounted for is Imola. Sure, Russel has been performing at a very high level all season but surely it's not enough to snatch P2 from Leclerc, also considering the two big mistakes in Silverstone and in Austria qualifying on Russel's side. Sometimes I feel like you are just too biased.
I think Ocon deserves a higher spot. I feel only now Alpine is getting the edge on McLaren and he's been consistent on top 10, didn't do any huge mistakes and all the times he DNFed, he was on for a top 10. That's OCONsistency.
He’s like what? 8th in standings and over double Alonso’s points? Alonso’s had horrendous luck, but ocon’s hasn’t been good either, and when they can be compared, they’re very close, especially on race pace they’re incredibly close
Alonso litteraly qualified 2s ahead Ocon in Canada, a 41 year old is outdriving a guy who should be in his prime. The only thing on why Alonso is not destroyinh Ocon is because the team is ruining every race.
9/2 in Qualifying for Carlos Sainz vs Leclerc and it would be 11/0 if: -Charles didn't spin out in Silverstone -Charles didn't need that new engine at Canada which made him not push nor take part of Q2 IIRC
@@x_ilxvemyr4b0n49 Point is, if we are fair, that'd be a 10-1 for Leclerc still. As he was being faster the whole weekend. And he got even outqualified by an Alpine 1+ seconds slower in theory. Sure Alonso did magic, but it's also Sainz's fault for not taking that car to the limit as well. And in the race they praise him for his pace, but with 3DRS zones he could never overtake Max and almost lost it in a couple of laps. So yeah... IMO Sainz deserves to be that low for what he's done this season so far.
I think you rated Mick correctly. I also think though that he'll only really improve from here on out. In F2 he was meh and didn't score great points in the first half of 2020. He then picked it up in the second half and won of course. I trust in him
Vettel has been done dirty by the voters. Don't understand how he isn't at least a 7/10 for consistently scoring points and making Q3 in the 9th best car on the grid. Secondly, Gasly has more points and a better qualifying record than Tsunoda who's also made the two most embarrassing blunders of the season in Canada and Silverstone. There is no way he should have a lower score than Yuki. And I'm sorry Tommo but Leclerc below Russell is a howler from you. Also, I'd like to see where people would've rated Mick three races ago, the recency bias is strong.
Gasly make too make mistake in this season Imola: Poor qualifying performance, leaved him 17th on the grid in Sprint Catalunya: Struggle pace and being out-qualified by Tsunoda though this was his track Austria: Collide with Vettel
The amount of mistakes and lack of pace of Yuki would take a whole year to look at tbh. Always beating him in qualifying and most of the time in the race as the points show.
No way Gasly p17 the times where he has not been unlucky he has always been ahead of tsunoda and mick who has also not been very good this entire season just the last few weeks. I guess people will vote the people that they want to do well. Extremely disappointed.
His personal reason for having Gasly that low as well makes no sense either. He’s been somewhat disappointing to the bar he set, but like you said, he’s absolutely not the #17 driver on the grid and is absolutely better than TSU and MSC. A lot of these ranking were suspect honestly. Seb at #9? Russell over Leclerc?
DRS issues aside, Max has been doing fair racing this year, there's hardly been any aggressive driving from him and he's been very great to watch, especially his overtakes which are Simply Lovely
@@pranavojha7234 No, Max doesn't have anything to prove anymore. He achieved his goal and the pressure is off. He barely even celebrates when he wins, that says enough.
Agree, I think Max was never a dirty driver, yes he had some aggressive driving, but he knew that was the way to beat Lewis and the stewards allowed him to do it do why not. With Leclerc he knows Leclerc wont back out like Lewis does, so he takes a different approach. Just an incredibly smart driver who is already one of the best of all time looking at the statistics at only 24. Lets hope he doesnt become an Alonso who gets shitty cars so he can break records
@@pranavojha7234 I think it´s because he had the feeling that if he didn´t drive that agressive he wouldn´t have won the title. He was ready to give it all even if it was over the edge to achieve his dream. If by the end of the season he´s almost equal to Charles and he has to do it again to win a title he might do so again. I respect this will to win and it reminds me of Schumacher.
Charles has been the best driver this season imo 🤷♂️ would be ahead of max if niether had been messed up by issues either in the car or from the team and has been the fastest driver for the majority of the season
Well leclerc made the mistake in imola and he divebombed perez in silverstone and both max and charles spun in qualifying silverstone, but except for those mistakes both have been faultless so I would put max over charles personally.
@@agent6599 Perez had absolutely nowhere to go with max(or sainz?) on his right, and charles was about a car and a half behind when checo was hitting the corner. Was 100% on charles but checo got it back later in the race by completely skipping the second last corner to overtake charles lol
@@agent6599 that incident in spain was caused by a gust of wind, I also don’t blame sainz for when he went off in spain and I also don’t blame hamilton and russel for their austria shunts, a blow of wind in a corner is just bad luck. Also that was 100% leclercs fault in silverstone he just divebombed into t4 with no chance of perez taking avoiding action because verstappen was on the outside of him.
For me: 20. Latifi - as likeable as he is, he overstayed his welcome; 19. Stroll - nothing but extra this year; 18. Ricciardo - nothing but glorious extra this year; 17. Schumacher - last 2 races were good, almost everything before that wasn't; 16. Gasly - despite having some bad luck, he is really underperforming this year; 15. Tsunoda - improved over last season, but that doesn't say much; 14. Albon - solid, given the blue brick that he is driving; 13. Zhou - solid rookie season so far; 12. Magnussen - just solid, nothing more and nothing less; 11. Vettel - too good for that brick he is driving; 10. Norris - outside of that one podium, not very impressive but far from bad; 9. Bottas - started out well, wasn't that impressive in last few races; 8. Ocon - very consistent, rarely makes any mistakes, definitely deserves to be in top 10; 7. Sainz - not championship winning material but still pretty good; 6. Hamilton - disappointing for his standards, but still not bad by any means; 5. Alonso - absolute madman; 4. Perez - not quite up there but better than most; 3. Russell - he is called Mr. Consistency for a reason; 2. Leclerc - great, but plagued by bad luck and morons from Ferrari; 1. Verstappen - literally flawless this year, can't imagine putting anyone else over him.
@@sallybally344 gonna be hard. Red bull are gonna have to make a dominant car for the next 8 years, but the thing is merc was unmatched in 2014 while red bull have had Ferrari right behind them the whole season. It’s looking really hard
I disagree with you saying that Leclerc's spin in Imola is something Hamilton or Verstappen don't do. Max spun into the gravel in Spain, and Lewis bottled Baku last season and was also lucky to not DNF in Imola last season.
@@EpicChickens1916 1 major mistake in the entire season which was mainly due to wind, and he still got the race win anyway. Leclerc imola was a mistake max would not make now
@@josedupuydelome9486 genuine question because I am very new to this, only watched highlights and commentary on this season so far. How is Alonso 3rd best driver on the grid when he has so little points and his teammate in the same car is way ahead of him?
@@mikefedorovsky2577 cuz his car keeps breaking up, he keeps getting shitty strategies and a lot of bad luck. When everything goes smoothly he is always beating his teammate
I have a theory that drivers who take breaks to race in other categories, particularly Indy, LMP or GT, gain valuable experience of other racing styles that teaches certain skills and awareness that's harder to learn racing in F1 or feeder series.
George has been putting the car where it belongs, as the 3d fastest car, and is responsabile for 2 crashes. Charles has matured and grown from last year and has been the fastest in quali and pretty much perfect in every race outside of Imola. He should be without a shade of a doubt second right there with Max. Can’t say that Hamilton has been slow because they made him try different things and then say that George outperformed him in the same video, and even penalize some drivers because of crashes and then ignoring what George did in Silverstone and Austria. And if surprise was such a big factor, why put Max first and drivers like Yuki so behind. It looks very incoherent
Man, Charles P3 is just bs: 6 poles, at least 3 wins thrown away by his team, always ahead of Carlos if we exclude those races like Spain when he retired or Monaco and Silverstone when the strategy went against him. It's incredible that he still doesn't get the respect he deserves
I think people are too quick to forget Mick's record overall. Obviously we want him to do well, and 2 races on he has done, but 2 races don't erase all the previous ones just like that. Let's see him get a good streak going which I truly hope he does, and then we can pat him on the back.
That’s my feeling as well. Breakdowns has shown he is the driver on the grid that has cost his team the most in crashes this season and they were generally down to driver error. I hope he’ll get consistently better, but it shouldn’t be forgotten that he was way down in the bottom in the first 9 races.
@@Dragonpuncher123 Even after his two races (maybe three if you count Canada as his high as well), Mick was saying he was on a streak, and I was like, woah, woah, calm down there...let's see continued consistency then I'm all for it!
I hated Lewis with passion last season as I am a Max fan, but I just wanted to see someone else win. Awesome to see LH on the podium in the last 3, I hope we see him win again this season and get #8 next year!
@@EthanRom it's already been super fun to watch the last 4 races! Went out to the Canadian GP for my first race this year and was absolutely amazing to get to see him back at the front in person!
Tbh I can think of 5 races this year where Mick had chances to score points. -Bahrain, where he got damage from an AlphaTauri, with HAAS then not pitting him for the final restart, leaving him a sitting duck in P11. -Miami, where he ran in contention but crashed into Seb. -Canada, where the Ferrari PU happened. -And then Silverstone and Austria, where he actually showed that his Surname comes from Michael, rather than Ralf. Out of the 3 times he didn't score when he had a chance, I'd say only Miami was really his fault. That obviously doesn't excuse his lack of pace in other races (Spain and Baku for example), but it makes you view his season as better than what the results show.
George i feel has made some really dumb mistakes 1.Going on slicks when there are massive puddles on the track in Canada 2. Causing the accident with Zhou in SIlverstone cause he had a terrible start on his hard tires. 3. Binning it in Austria quali with overdriving.
Totally agree, if he really wants to be mr consistence he’s gotta take a few less risks but also I get why he’s taking those risks, if he’s gonna beat Hamilton he’s gonna have to risk it for the biscuit.
Crikey, imagine unironically saying Russell > Leclerc this season when Leclerc would be leading this championship if it wasn't for Ferrari's reliability and strategy
I really think we've been "wronged" by a few things happening at mercedes this year to consider the level of George : IF it is true that Lewis had to take every set up gambles in the first 5/6 races We can say the Mercedes is comfortably the 3rd car on the track, way ahead of P4 and way down P2 (less and less though) Therefore, for George to be P5 in almost every race is just ... Expected... ? Considering we've had at least one retirement from the top 2 teams every race so far or so (I know I'm writing this later, after the start of the summer break) and his car allows him pretty much only to battle his team mate (or Ferrari when they don't want to win the championship), than all George had to do this season is finishing the race, and boom, P5... For me all of this is like praising Bottas for finishing 2nd in the mercedes in 2020 for example ...
With respect, I disagree with you on Estaban. He has proven himself as a solid driver recently, I know he probably isn't ultra super talented (compared to somebody like Max) but he is good enough to always look and be talented. People were writing off Alpine at the start of the year, but the chemistry, trust and potential in that team is so underappreciated. They allowed Fernando and Ocon to fight each other. Which was a groundbreaking decision for the good of the sport, seeing no team had been really that ambitious and perfectionist in years. You are asking to much of Esteban he has driven like a demon since his contact extension. He can defend almost all the time, he has pace, and has that something about him under the right coaching. But that's just my opinion We will see who is more right, me or you because next weekend it is French Grand Prix that means Ocon and alpines home race. Nice one
You have been so harsh on Ocon ! He’s constantly matching alonso in terms of race pace, and has had a lot of bad luck in quali (which is never talked about btw)
Yeah but Landos smashed ocon in a significantly worse car, ocon shouldn’t be getting outperformed by fernando or lando people forget ocon is very experienced.
@@lucasfountain1607 tbf the Mclaren itself isn’t a bad car, it’s just inconsistent and fluctuates up and down the grid depending on the track People need to be talking about Bottas though. He’s in a car far superior to the Alpine and Mclaren yet is behind both Norris and Ocon
You talk about Ocon like he did nothing special and it's all about qualifying. The thing is, he qualify in front of Russell in djeddah P5. Then being unlucky in qualy everytime, Imola box problem, Miami, Silverstone, Monaco Ocon was faster then Fernando in every sector fighting Norris for P5. Alonso crash into the wall by another drivers mistake, no one talk about it because Perez Red Flag cover him. When Ocon could be P6 behind Norris like in Q2! Alonso who get all the glory for Monaco and everybody thinks that Alonso was faster, that's wasn't the case. Again at Baku, Ocon was faster in Qualifying and Alonso goes into Q2 by blocking everyone. Again Ocon should have finish ahead of Alonso by 1-2tenths like Monaco, but no, Yellow flag, Alonso got lucky to keep his grid position one more time and can be ahead of the McLaren when Ocon have to defend and lose time with Hamilton/Vettel/Tsunoda, still everybody thinking Alonso was faster in qualifying. Just because Ocon never complain or create drama saying how is so unlycky and could have score more point by starting P6 instead of P10, He lose 8points that day, that's how luck works... Battery problem in Silverstone ? yeah... No problem in Austria and when Alonso did a driving mistakes, Ocon get P6 behind Russell like in Djeddah. Don't forget that Alonso now have 5 engine VS 3 Ocon that means he can use them harder and get some tenths in it. (Like Hamilton last year with his new engine) (New engine VS 6 races engine can go to 0.4-0.5s difference) So saying Alonso is mad unlucky when only saying Ocon got good points without notice all his qualy where he got unlucky and have to start way lower than Alonso. You act like Alonso canada qualifying (Amazing by the way) and splitting the Mercedes is like that every race when actually in DRY data for every comparable runs, Ocon is faster (by little margin 0.064%) that put Alpine with the closest drivers pair in front of Mercedes. I try to put Data screen in answer to this, ( i don't know if they are allowed)
Data comparaison DRY qualifying : puu.sh/JbHHX/555580ed62.png But don't get me wrong, Alonso perform to an amazing level, but people under estimate Ocon like always, even with real data !
I am sorry tommo how you can put Charles in p3 when Charles if FERRARI didn't destroy him with bad strategy and engine fires... Charles will have been p1 in the championship by far from max
alonso this man can't catch a break its blowing my mind how you can have so much bad luck for years he is absolutely smashing it this season with so many outstanding performances and goes home with nothing
I don't necessarily disagree on the Russel-Charles debate BUT, after Solverstone I really cannot see anyone else taking P1 in your rankings. Slower car, worse tyres, damaged front wing and he still managed to put on an incredible fight with a 7-time WC and the No2 of the fastest team overall. I mean, can one race dictate the whole mid-season ranking? I guess not, but still you get my POV.
I think after the struggles Lewis has had this season p6 is way too high to be honest. Most of the time the Mercs finish exactly where they belong right now, 3rd best. With some retirements they scored higher but over the season I can't say they did such incredible drives. I expected more from Lewis.
@@sem9655 Yeah but you also have the obvious of Lewis being the test mule to help merc figure out the car. In the past 3 races Lewis has outperformed George in quali and races and overall Lewis has shown better race pace and George has seem to have inherited that Hamilton luck too. And don't forget Lewis' weird comeback he always does in the second half of the season while on George's end he tends to fall off a bit. There are far too many variables with Lewis to just say he's not driving at the best of his ability.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 last race George outperformed Lewis in Quali, and ended up behind him in the race due to the punt. I would hardly say Austria was Hamilton outperforming Russell naturally
@@deeznoots6241 If you were watching Quali you would've seen Lewis was in contention for front row before his shunt. Had he completed that lap he very well could've been starting p3.
Alonso being a free practice merchant is clouding everyone’s judgement this season. The truth is that he can only get performance out of the car over one lap where job points are on offer which is also why Ocon is higher in the standings because he knows when the points are handed out and gets the most available to him on any given day.
did he really hold charles at bay in austria tho? charles overtook him 3 times on track i wouldnt call that holding seemed quite easy for charles to go past him
As a Mick fan, I think you've been fair on Mick. Indeed, you have to take the season as a whole, and without the good showings in Canada, Silverstone and Austria, Mick would have probably been ranked next to last in performance. I believe that this recent improvement will continue - as it has happened at the middle of his second season in the series, which has always been the trend with Mick, so maybe by the end of the year we can rank him even higher. But for right now, I feel your ranking was spot on.
i don't know what Sainz has to do to get recognized as a Top 5 Driver.. he had 3 DNFs due to reliability issues.. never finished below 4th.. won a race on his own. Could have been on 2 wins already..
Not to mention he's had to be his own race strategist because the badger with a headset they gave the job to can't be fucked to give him a coherent strategy.
Leclerc definitely deserved a driver of the Weekend for Bahrain and Ferrari team od the weekend I think, they really did look good that weekend, enough to get all the F1 fans excited about their comeback, unfortunately it hasn't panned out threw the year like everyone thought but that weekend was very good
Tbh I’d rate Vettel’s performances this year close to Alonso. I’d still rate Alonso higher just because he is 41 while Vettel is only 35 but Alonso also has way better machinery available. I’d give P8 to Seb and P5 or 6 to Alonso. When these two will retire, F1 will lose a pretty big chunk of talent, despite them being fairly old Other than that, I agree with you 100%.
So when alonso is trailing his teammate badly because of bad luck he's still praised massively but when lewis is close to his teammate despite bad luck and experimenting he's doing poorly...
Leclerc outperformed Marcus Ericsson in his first season. Bottas is well known great qualifier. And Zhou beat him 3 times!!! Zhou has been pleasent surprise. The best "pay driver" by far. And much better rookie season than Tsunoda last season.
Ricciardo has not been that bad this year: Bahrain: Finished ahead of Lando in race but struggled in quali. Quite good result considering he missed the Bahrain preseason testing and Lando got a huge advantage from that Saudi Arabia: Qualified right behind Lando. Team didn’t inform him of approaching cars leading to a 3 place penalty. In the race he was ahead of Lando, until his car broke down. Imola: Was outqualified by Lando, however, he never got that final Q3 lap in. Everytime they completed a lap they jumped the other driver in that quali so as Lando did the last lap of the two he qualified better. In the race, a small bit of oversteer ended his race. Australia: Was pretty much on par with Lando and didn’t pass him on the final lap because Lando had an issue and it was team orders. Lando was quicker on the second stint, but Ricciardo was quicker in the first and was being held up by Lando. Miami: The team couldn’t start up his car so for his final qualifying run in Q2 he didn’t have enough time to make it to the flag without pushing hard, ruining his final Q2 lap. Spain: Was lucky to out qualify Lando as Lando had his time deleted. The race was poor as he was slow, however, McLaren did confirm there was an issue with his car. Monaco: In FP1 he was on par with Lando maybe even slightly quicker, then crash in FP2, which McLaren took the blame for. That ruined his whole weekend as he was behind. The race wasn’t great from where he qualified, however he should of done much better in Q2. Baku: Qualified right behind Lando. Was quicker in the first stint but team orders to hold position left Ricciardo vulnerable as he was losing time and was overtaken. Lando’s overcut failed (which is why they let Lando stay ahead) and Ricciardo came out ahead of Lando when he pitted later. This time Lando was quicker (the hard tyre was just better) and team orders where returned. Ricciardo finished ahead of Lando. Note that when Ricciardo was issued team orders he didn’t complain but followed the direction while Lando behaved childish and immature. Additionally, analysis and extrapolation of the race determined that if Ricciardo had been allowed to overtake Norris he would have come out ahead of the pack of cars he got held up in when he pitted and thus would have finished a few spots higher. Canada: Out qualified and finished higher than Lando. However, Lando had power issues. And yet again Ricciardo had car issues meaning he had to lift and coast. Not to mention Mclaren’s straight line speed meant he never had a chance of holding onto a points finish. Silverstone: During Q2 he made a mistake on his lap and then the rain got heavier and no one could improve meaning he was out. In the race he could not use DRS for the second half of it and was also forced to make another stop which cost him 20secs. Multiple 4 second plus pit stops ensured Ricciardo came out in traffic and his undercuts failed. Not to mention the poor strategy and straight line speed. Austria: Was told to hold position in the sprint. Qualified one place behind Lando. Lando had some sort of brake issue. In the race Lando was much faster. Ricciardo was given team orders at a point during the race but it really wouldn’t of made a difference. Still P9 finish. The weekends that are relatively problem free for Ricciardo end up being weekends where Mclaren don’t have the pace to score points. Conclusion: Ricciardo has been very close to Lando all season. Lando is better in qualifying and Ricciardo is typically a better racer than qualifier. Yes, he has had some poor weekends, but seriously he has not been as bad as people say. He has had nothing go his way this season and while Lando has also had issues he has had no where near as many as Ricciardo. Mclaren need to deliver a car capable of delivering desired outcomes for both of its drivers. And Ricciardo needs to deliver results. My point: don’t be so quick to condemn Ricciardo’s results. Poor results doesn’t always mean poor performances and/or a slow driver. There are quite clearly other factors at play.
I'm so impressed about Fernando, supporting him since 2005 and he is still right there, clearly top 5 for 20 years+ just looking how good he is, I'll give him a 3 years deal contract. Maybe even 5 because he won't fall that fast. Give him the car he will bring you the championship.
I would also put Leclerc p3 with a big reason being the strategy. Ofcourse the strategy is determined by the team, but Sainz has had the right strategic sense multiple times this season and actually rejecting their strategy earning him points and even a win. Leclerc just followed and got screwed by Ferarri.
"I havent even given it to Ferrari once" moments before reading out Ferrari as the first team in the list of 1 time Team W winners. Am I losing my mind rn?
Listen it’s all about opinions but here’s some of my issues with both lists: - Gasly being worse than Tsunoda makes no sense considering Gasly is still comfortably beating him. Gasly has had rough moments but come on, P18 is unfair - Mick and Zhou are way too high, recency bias is making people forget they’ve both comfortably been bottom 5 on the grid - Vettel P15 is a joke, he’s easily been at least 7/10 this season - Lando has been T5 this year, destroyed his teammate, best of the midfield and he hasn’t even had the fastest midfield car, consistent points finishes and only non RB/Ferrari/Merc driver on the podium - P5/P4 for Perez is too high for someone who if we’re real has still gotten dominated by his teammate, he genuinely hasn’t looked faster than Max at a single race bar Monaco and even that’s hard to judge - I’m sorry but I can’t see a single universe where Russell has had a better season than Leclerc. Leclerc, if you ignore luck, would at worst be within 10 points of Max Verstappen. Yes he spun at Imola, but Max spun in Spain and got lucky circumstances went his way. As for Russell, he’s made even more mistakes (Silverstone, Austria) and I don’t think he’s been faster than Hamilton overall, which is visible now that Lewis has stopped experimenting with setups. His consistency is nice but a lot of it has just been him putting the 3rd fastest car into P5-P6 where it belongs. As I said, this is just me giving my opinion and I’m not trying to have a go at you, just disagree with a couple things
Great argumentation. I agree with most of the points: Only difference being your ranking of zhou. I think Tomo has made good points regarding his ranking: It is his rooky season and if we look at the last rooky seasons from other drivers, we have to admit that Zhous is one of the best (even taking Lando in 2019 into account, where he was stunning but beaten by Sainz, if you look at his level now against Ricardo who at the time was labelled a better driver than Sainz by most people, his rooky season seems like a bad one too), so it sets things into perspective how difficult the first year really is. If we look at race pace and wheel to wheel racing, I think Zhou is right up there with Bottas, even if you take the whole season into account. The difference between both is qualyfing where I think, Bottas is extremly underrated by most people. In my opinion he is one of the best qualyfiers on the grid. (I dont know the numbers, but as far as I remeber he was nearly always close to Lewis in Qualy, not so in the races, which says a lot) This criteria becomes more important when you are racing in the midfield rather than in front: If you outqualify your teammate by 5tens, but only are 2 places ahead of him when fighting at a front, you can still end up fighting with your teammate in the race, whereas in the midfield, you might be 5 or more positions up the grid and have a completly difference strategy than your teammate. This explains the difference in points between Bottas and Zhou in my opinion. As a German, I really hoped that Schuhmacher would be the one to impress me most this season, but I have to admit that Zhou was stunning to me. Although Schuhmacher might be getting there later on, it is still too early to praise him for his recent performances. Other than that, your critics to the video would have been the same for me: Charles definetly in front of George and at least very close to Max, Gasly better than Tsunoda, although still not in the upper half, Perez too high, and Lando still absolutly stunning this season. Cheers mate, you know your stuff.
@@Pricelessmile I have, he’s been great in the last 3 but this is a review of the last 11 races, not the last 3. His overall gap to Bottas is still very high. However I’m ignoring any external context with my ranking such as him being a rookie, just rating his performance compared to others.
A lot of people like to point at Ocon's luck relative to Alonso as why Ocon shouldn't be higher, but nobody acknowledges the lack of luck Ocon has also had (gearbox issue in Imola causing him to qualify P-19, not able to run in Miami quali). At the very least, Ocon has been more impressive than Sainz this season.
exactly. If anything George has been more lucky this season, but people seem to praise him. So why Ocon gets a stick is beyond me. Alonso has been faster and unluckier ofc. But to say a driver 8th in the standings close to Norris (who has a podium) not even in top 10 tells how underappriciated and overly harsh people are being to Ocon
everybody is critisizing charles too much for one mistake (imola), when max has done more this year, yet he got lucky that he didn't lose all those points
This mid season report is mid, it is more opinion based on intuition rather than numbers and metric comparaisons put into context, how for example can you put Alonso ahead of Ocon, yes he had more bad luck than Ocon but his overall performances are not above and beyoned what Ocon did you can just see the qualy pace and race pace comparaison they are evenly matched but the Alonso PR got you straight
Honestly I have never seen a driver who has been getting beaten by a teammate by this margin get so much praise from so many people to the extent of Alonso this season
Whose list was better? Mine or yours? (go and like the replies below this comment)
Mine
Yours
Someone's gonna get ratioed.....
@@TommoMcCluskey yours was fantastic. And as a Ferrari fan, I gotta admit- while Charles has been fantastic, max and George have been even better. I’m also so glad you highlighted Lewis’s strong performances, as well as Seb’ sand fernando’s. Those three world champs have had terrible luck C this season, and their race craft is indicative of just how good they are
Did you demote Charles to P3 for one incident and George to P2 for two 😜? I personally would still put George 1st btw
It's actually a bit scary to realize we've already hit mid-season mark. To me it still feels the season have just started and we're only 3 or 5 races into it.
@@alunesh12345 no. Don’t care
So true. Going way to quickly
Time flies when you're having fun
@@TommoMcCluskey love u tommo
@@syndicategaming1668 some of us do care.... @Akuani Netshituni keep spreading the message.
Saying Mick has had a better season so far than either Seb, Tsunoda and Gasly is a BIG stretch IMO by the voters. I mean Seb especially has got more points in less races started, had less huge crashes and has done it in a way worse car.
Tsunoda?
Common aldas w
I think this is the result of everyone getting on the vettel washed statements
F1 fans have memory of an ant , they forget all the 9 races and remeber only the last two.
He’s literally ahead of yuki in a worse car
I agree with you on Seb. He definitely seems to have recovered his form lately and is getting the most out what he is given. I just hope he keeps scoring points consistently, otherwise Stroll might do his thing where he randomly peaks for one weekend and gets a super result out of nowhere to outscore Seb in the end. That's what bothers me most about Stroll. The guy is a walking slot machine.
If people would stop wrecking Seb, he could have about 25-30 points right now. Miami and Austria are most notable.
A walking slot machine 🤣
@@Juice-iv5jx Not 25-30 but about 20
@@lpvettel silverstone was an easy 7th if we pitted for soft , miami we were 9th despite starting from pitlane , in austria seb was doing same laptimes as the haas guys ( seb was a bit faster ) before getting taken out by gasly. It would be around 25 if not more
@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 Miami would have been P8, Silverstone would have been P7 and Austria I think it would have been P10 max. So 24. I forgot about Silverstone
I think some people really just hate Vettel. You cant vote him only 5.9 for that season he had so far. Many people just see "Ah 4 times wdc" and not that he is in the second worst car and is beating his team mate nearly every race by 0.5s-1s in quali and 0.5s in the race.
That is what Seb could have had the whole season without people fcking his race up
Bahrain/Saudi-Covid
Australia-DNF
Imola-P8
Miami-DNF crashed by mick could have been P7
Spain-P11
Monaco-P10
Baku-P6
Canada-P12
Silverstone-P9
Austria- crashed by Albon in sprint/Gasly in race. Pace wise 7th fastest on track(P9-P7 possible)
He could have 27 Points
So true how on earth can Seb be rated 5.9 the 15th driver on the grid he is having a solid season at the very least
imola p8
Finally, some sense
I can never understand the hate on vettel
He's been amazing this year in that absolute shitbox
I hope he continues and gets his chance of actually winning and enjoying his time in f1 again
« He could have » that means nothing Lance in 2020 « could have had » over 120 pts but people still say he had a bad season
@@mathieudrouin4461 Even if he doesnt have those extra 27 points. Seb is still very much driving that car to probably its absolute limit. So i dont get why you're focusing on that point alone
I feel like bagging Leclerc for one mistake and putting him P3 then mentioning 2 of George's mistakes and giving him P2 seems unfair and it still remains that Mercedes can't get on the podium if either Ferrari or Red Bull don't have a problem
it's a fine margin either way you look at it, however I can understand why he has gone for his respective ratings. Both of Georges incidents were more severe than Leclerc's single incident, but are also kind of hard to judge him too harshly on. When Perez went round the outside of him in Austria, you can see his car become unsettled over the curb and thus understeers into Perez. Similarly when he closed the gap on Gasly too late, he couldn't/ didn't see Gasly in his mirror, don't get me wrong, it was a horrific crash that could have been avoided if a slight bit more care was taken, but at the same time, leaving the start line is one of the most stressful parts of the whole race for a lot of the drivers. Leclerc however was quite a length into his stint at Imola, and although he was pushing hard to catch up to Perez, he has come out and said himself that the spin was caused due to being too 'greedy'. Leclerc's spin was WAY more avoidable than the incidents with George, had he just approached the corner taking less of the sausage curb. You could make the argument that 'George could've avoided curb going into the corner as well', but he was under tremendous pressure being lap 1, and really it would've been an incredibly minor mistake had Perez not been on the outside, He may have run a little wide, but wasn't going to be anywhere near putting himself into the wall or sand trap.
Then when you go on to compare that this is George's first year with mercedes (minus the one race at Bahrain), managing p5 or higher every race for the first 9 races in a car that looked like a boat to drive, especially in the first few races of the season, as WELL as the incredible battle between him and Max at Spain, I think he is well deserving of P2. I think Charles statistically looks a lot better on paper, but his mistake seemed so amateur spinning at Imola, and he was lucky to not be DNF'd given how hard he went into the wall. As I said, it's such a fine margin between the two of them that it was always going to be difficult to choose who should be above who, and at the end of the day, it's all personal opinion. I think they are both great drivers and I'm excited to see them battling for a few years to come.
I think Charles and russle are the same
@@TheVurtigo can we please stop with the “boat of a car” nonsense. It’s easily the third quickest car on race pace every weekend. Let’s not pretend it’s a miracle he’s finishing top 5, top 6 is literally bare minimum for that Merc.
@@niallhiggins2342 I said moreso at the start of the season. I think he adapted well to it coming from an underperforming team whereas lewis had to adapt to a car with shortcomings. Yes, now the car is easily sitting 3rd, and by the end of the season the car may be contending against the Red Bull and Ferrari, that's the way it goes when they develop over a season. But it was not that way at the start of the season. Don't take credit from him for the work he put in early in the season.
@@TheVurtigo pardon? The car was clearly the third fastest at the start of the season aswell. It’s the third fastest car, always has been.
People having short memory it seems uh. Gasly has been so unlucky but everybody seems to be ignoring it
Bahrain: engine gone while in p9, lost 2 points, potential p7 counting the red bulls too.
Imola, pit stop at the wrong time, stuck behind albon, potential p8 lost
Miami: suspension broken by Alonso: potential p7 lost
Spain: broken floor
Azerbaijan: wrong strategy, potential p4 lost
Monaco: out in q1 because of the team’s bad timing while having top 5 pace all weekend: potential p5 lost
Silverstone: taken out by tsunoda: potential points lost
For a great total of 30 points lost, which would put him at 46 points
Exactly i feel like in these reports people just go off memory and stats without looking at what actually happened
Gasly has been still faster and better driver than Yuki this season too . He had had many car problems too .
Choosing the wrong strategy is not unluck.
@@BigNoseMonkey-uu9cm Teams fault though so you can’t blame the driver
@@korviz1060 Indeed, it isn’t the drivers fault, but it was a conscious decision from the team and therefore it can’t be categorized as “unluck”. Gasly just needs to join a better team, maybe an Alpine.
Seb is doing at Aston what Albon is doing at Williams. They're driving the two worst cars on the grid and somehow dragging them to points on merit. That's mega impressive to me.
Agreed.
I think Latifi makes Williams looks worse. Albon isn’t the greatest
Seb is the most intelligent guy in F1, but the guy I will always bet on to spin or crash the car. Intelligent vs spatial awareness issue.
@@Magihyun only one race and that also after without practicing on the current car.
@@Sofishyyy albon is probably as good as russel and norris and definitely better than half the grid
When max and Charles mess around too much and Checo wins the title>>>
Dreamland
honestly, would be the best ending to a, so far, amazing season
hope so
I was thinking like this a couple of races ago, but then realised it would require Checo not to mess around either, and for his car not to break
@@alunesh12345 Believe in Jesus for a Perez championship win?
Agree with your ratings for most part except Russell has no business being rated higher than Leclerc. Leclerc P2, Russell P3 for me.
British bias for you
Russel does have business being that high. Leclerc has been driving really well, but he has had more personal mistakes than Russell and you forgot that Russel had a perfect top 5 finish every race with probably a car that was barely enough for that at the start of the season that he did lose later but whenever he doesnt have damage or failiures you can expect him to find his spot in the top 5. Lewis Hamilton was looking unstoppable last season compared to Bottas and Russell has been fighting with Hamilton if not besting him very regularly. Lewis has had bad luck so without that bad luck maybe Hamilton would be ahead of Russell in points but in terms of perfect driving Russell has been outperforming Leclerc relative to where their teams and cars are at. Verstappen has been flawless, only losing out in austria due to the team going the wrong way with development and car failiures. Tommo got the top 3 bang on(and probably others as well but not gonna focus on that rn)
@@kasparpaukson3543 leclerc has had one mistake what are you on about. imola is the only relevant example of a driver mistake
@@kasparpaukson3543 tbh ferrari is at fault for most of charles's worse races this season. leaving him out to defend with hard tyres @ silverstone, the pit mishap @ monaco, etc. like the previous commenter said, the only major driver error he's made was at imola.
@@kasparpaukson3543 leclerc only made 1 mistake and the other times he didn’t win (recently) are not because he made mistakes but because of reliability and Ferrari strategy
I respect that but I feel you are underrating Charles Leclerc here
🇧🇭 - Pole + won with FL
🇸🇦 - 2nd best, got the FL
🇦🇺 - Pole + won with FL
🇮🇹 - 2nd best in Sprint, slow start because of the asphalt strip. Spun and finished p6 (right, i agree that was a bad week for him)
🇺🇲 - Pole + 2nd best in the race
🇪🇸 - Pole + should've comfortably won but engine failure
🇲🇨 - Pole + should've comfortably won but strategy tax
🇦🇿 - Pole + should've won at that point when Ferrari's strategy was better than RB so far but engine failure
🇨🇦 - last to P5
🇬🇧 - should've won but strategy again
🇦🇹 - won
for me the best driver this year so far has to be him
I would put him second but definitely ahead of Russell
And 🇬🇧 should of won, fastest on track with broken wing but strategy tax again
Pole means nothing if Leclerc can't win the race. He wouldn't have won Baku because redbull were clear. Last to P5 in Canada in the fastest car is extremely underwhelming and he spent most of the middle of the race fighting with Ocon.
@@alejandroquinones3636 it’s a hard track for overtaking and the fact he was starting P20 in the first place had nothing to do with his own performance
@@alejandroquinones3636 it’s a hard track for overtaking and the fact he was starting P20 in the first place had nothing to do with his own performance
Mick I’d say positives are from Canada onwards (remember he qualified 6th and was on for points before car gave up)... so technically it’s the last 3 races and 3 races in a row suggests that the consistency is there and that they are no longer fluke drives and he’s got there now. Mick’s year and a half tradition to start Schumachering suddenly, once again seems to be coming true
What is the last time he outqualified Magnussen?
@@chamindujanith6337 Well he beat him in the races. I mean as people say, quali doesn't give any points (excluding Spa 2021)
@@chamindujanith6337 Miami I think
@@chamindujanith6337 Miami
@@stevenjoseph6048 Yes. But your weekend can't be perfect if you are always getting outqualified by your teammate.
Trying to judge Charles based off of one mistake in one race that didn’t even lose him that many points seems a bit strange to me. I think George has been good but a lot of his results have been dependent on retirements from Red Bull and ferrari. Maybe I’m just a Charles fanboy but that’s just how I feel 🤷♂️.
Then it shouldn't be strange after France really.
Tommo I do genuinely like your content tho I completely disagree with placing Russel higher than Leclerc in the standings. How can you be more impressed by someone who in the last two races made mistakes costing both him and his rivals (Zhou at Silverstone, Checo in Austria) than by someone who except for one mistake at Imola (which cost him and ONLY him) is driving a FAULTLESS season so far? Come on, it is not Charles's fault that he has a team full of clowns who don't know how to make a strategy or don't have the balls to claim that they have a clear nr1 driver. Don't want to call it British bias, but come on mate, give my boy Charles a bit more praise, he deserves it completely this year. If not for him, the title battle would have already been over, and, in my opinion, it speaks volumes :)
You're a real one
ppl r forgetting how lucky George has been with safety cars this year especially in Australia 💀
Silverstone he made a mistake that could've cost him and Perez, he simply got lucky. If anything I believe both those errors were worse than Russels in the last two races.
Leclerc has been the more exciting driver this year but I think Russel has been the better driver by a hair.
@@alunesh12345 bruh what
That imola myth is so not true....
British gp he lost the car in his last run started p3 and losses the start to checo what does he do runs over a curb and his checo on the side damaging his and checos race why didnt you name that mistake?
Baku he looked up as p1?
Miami he looked up in turn 6-7 being behinf max just 3 sec and lost bec of that over 5 sec....
Austria he defends hard againsz his teammate costing both a lot of time but people somehow try giving the fault to sainz when leclerc fails to perform in quali.....
People think that leclerc is just unlucky but he does a lot of small mistakes or aggressive moves
Maaan charles p3 is a huge L
I kinda agree on the rest
Russel is insanely good but he got lucky so many times and he made mistakes in the last two races
Charles only mistake was in Imola, other races he was so unlucky and got screwed by his own team, his performance is so perfect this year and he's getting everything out of that ferrari he makes Carlos look like a rookie
I would put Charles P2. I hate to say it but VER has basically been flawless this season.
@@Lapichant I agree, for me the Imola crash is the only clear difference between these two that puts Max ahead, it's unfortunate but the redbull car was insanely fast and Charles was doing everything to get that second place
On the other hand Max did a mistake in Spain but he got lucky cause Charles retired so it didn't cost him anything
@@jadj2309 max made a mistanke in spain in with the gravel
Agree. Other than Imola, he's been brilliant. I'd rate him same as Max.
@@dimebagdd Actually Leclerc did make mistake not just in Imola
His last lap quali on Silverstone was bad thanks to sector 2-3, left him third on the grid, without that pole for him
4 races where Leclerc lost a lead because of his team (3 were almost guaranteed wins)
1) Barcelona, 15 seconds ahead comfortably after putting it on pole when he retired
2) Monaco, two tragic pit stop mistakes lost him the lead after putting it on pole and put him all the way down to fourth
3) Baku, DNF from lead again (this is the one where I don't know if he would have won bc RB was on a different strategy and looked to have better pace, but VSC may have helped him.)
4) Silverstone, was leading and had the best pace on hards despite having a broken front wing the ENTIRE race and Ferrari did not pit him, fought well but ultimately did not even finish on podium, all three cars with softs overtook him.
(plus there is Canada ofc which was a write off from the start bc of engine penalties, though still great recovery overall)
Max has had two DNFs to be fair, but they were both from P2, and the Silverstone issue didn't hurt him as much in the championship bc Ferrari also fucked up with Leclerc.
Even with his mistake in Imola, Leclerc has on average been the best driver this season imo, but it's hard to win a championship when it seems like your own team is competing against you!
You can’t give Charles silverstone. Charles was only in the lead because max dnf’d
@@joshharrison619Max didn't dnf
@@joshharrison619 ok fair enough but easily Charles should have won Monaco and at minimum p2 in silverstone . Reliability and engine penalties is tough luck but strategy gaffes are not excusable
@@joshharrison619 Okay that's fair, max didn't DNF but was winning when he went over the debris and did a good job to nurse it to P7, I totally agree. What is tragic if you're Charles is that he wasn't even able to properly take advantage of that and close the wdc gap bc they didn't pit him and he only ended up in 4th, so only made up like 6 points on Max.
if ferrari were a serious club max wouldn't be running away with this championship. engineers failed this guy big time
Gotta say even though i love George, his luck was 10/10 so far. He was always "there" to benefit from others mistakes and raced on his own mostly with large time gaps both front and back. If it wasn't for the shenanigans I'd rate Checo and Leclerc ahead of him.
I think there is something to be said of the Merc's reliability too. Merc haven't had a mechanical failure all year, I'm not even sure they've had a technical issue at all.
Having the "skill" to pick up points when RB or Ferrari messes up is an important quality too. It comes from relentless consistency of being right behind them, often ahead of Lewis.
Charles 3rd?! That’s mad! He has made perhaps 1 singular mistake the whole season, other than that he has capitalised on every single chance to succeed when he has not had awful luck! I really can’t imagine what more he could do right now.
He should be P2 for sure
Youre forgetting Russel is a brit, and so is Tommo. Explains a lot 😂
@@Jonathan-mj1oe I’m a Brit! Just think you gotta call a duck a duck haha!
@Kristian Radic yea but i mean were talking about a comparison leclerc and max here, they are for sure 1 and 2. These guys been driving like absolute beasts, max made basically 0 misstakes and leclerc made 1.
Russel has been a hell of a beast as well this year but has made slightly more misstakes, about 2/3. So putting him above leclerc and/or max is just bs tbh.
@@Jonathan-mj1oe the thing about Leclerc's mistake is that It was by himself and completely avoidable
The Russell one is definitely controversial. Don't get me wrong he has done really well. Consistent ? Yes. But, he has put that car where it pretty much belongs as the 3rd fastest car and nowhere more. Lewis has definitely looked like he has got back on it in the last few races and in my opinion he has looked a lot more likely to score that win that mercedes are eluded this season.
Charles I think has been better. Just so unlucky that Ferrari are idiots. Retirements from comfortable leading positions, strategy calls that cost him wins and benefited Sainz instead like in Monaco and Silverstone. Sainz. Who this season has been nowhere near the high standards that he has set. Ferrari are mugs for not having the balls to make Charles clear no.1 and giving him the strategy advantage considering he is the closest rival of Max and the gap between him and Max in the standings is on Ferrari entirely.
Hamilton was poor at Saudi qualifying and Imola though.
@@saiyerugara9038 He's got 3 podiums in row now lol.
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Yeah, but that doesn't wash some of his poorer performances away. Russell hasn't really had those type of races.
Hats off to Russell being "Mr. Consistency," but it's only meaningful if that's a 1, 2, or 3 every time in terms of championships and constructors, and even he knows this. He is right where he's supposed to be given he's in a Merc, but for me, if you can drag a Williams into the points, surely there has to be something in him that can keep getting his Merc into 3rd, ****at least on occasion given he's up against a couples of horses and bulls. And Charles---I think outside of maybe 2 races, Ferrari strat has screwed him along with a couple of DNF's for good measure. If he can literally fight his team on literally everything, he may have a chance.
Only the british bias is hyping up Russell. "Top 5 finishes", yeah but that's like hyping up Max for being top 3, Russell only has to beat the alpines to be in top five, since Ferrari and Red Bull have had reliability issues. He's where he should be, but is quite possibly the most boring driver on track.
Fernando is a boss this year, had he been luckier the numbers would have said for itself.
charles has been the fastest in quali easily this season. that combined with him being the 2nd fastest in race aswell and putting him behind george looks stupid
Sorry but this year's Mercedes car is way worse than the Ferrari, you can't compare them both, George has performed better than we all expected...
@@MiguelMedV i didn’t compare them? just siad that charles has been the fastest in quali which true, no matter car lace
Personally I’d have Charles second but it’s certainly close between him and George. Charles is currently way of in the championship he’s made a few costly mistakes and he generally hasn’t had the pace to convert his great qualifying into race wins
@@MiguelMedV If we talk about drivers performance i don't know how you can put anybody ahead of charles this season
Just because you have been more impressed by george over charles doesnt mean he performed better, this rating should be based on their performance not what you expect from the drivers.
he can do whatever the fuck he wants, it's his channel
@@TheColynSlayer yeah and we can call him out on his bias, what's your point?
Pretty much the only one I disagreed with (by a lot) was Charles below Russel.
Leclerc made one single mistake all season, Russel has done 1 as well, potentially 2, and Charles pace has been ridiculous, 9-1 against Sainz in qualifying, and is not leading the championship because of team cock-ups.
I know that the video was made before France but after that race weekend, I would say Russell deserves to be higher than Leclerc
Leclerc has made 2 mistakes the entire season, 1 in qualifying in silverstone and 1 during the race in imola, aside from that he dominated spain, dominated in Australia with grand chelem, would've won in monaco and britain if not for strategy fuck ups, has the most poles in the season, had an engine penalty in canada but was fastest on track and probably would've been p4 if not for the safety car screw up despite starting p19, he has out qualified sainz 9-1 (not counting canada because he made no attempts to make it to q3 because of the grid penalty), he has been better that sainz in every race + sprint races, and despite that you think he is behind george who has been at most on par with Hamilton.
Also last year you ranked Sainz above Leclerc even though charles was faster the entire season with exception of the last 2 races. I'm starting to think you have a bias against Charles
Totally agree
I sense a bit of a Charles fan. For last year: you need to look at the context. It was Sainz his first year with Ferrari so he exceeded all expectations.
Russell is comfortably beating Hamilton which is just mad impressive. His only mistake is DNFing in Silverstone. Whereas Ferrari keep screwing up with Charles which is unfortunate for him, but it's reality. You can't keep saying if this engine failure didn't happen, if that safety car didn't happen, he would be world champ. It just ain't that way.
@@elionmaters9985 Leclerc was way faster last season than Sainz as well.. Sainz was extremely lucky last season.. Russell is not beating Hamilton. Hamilton has been a guinea pig for Mercedes and has been very unlucky this season. On a clean weekand, Hamilton is comfortably faster with race pace and gets more out of Mercedes.
Leclerc has been near perfect this season, tho. Better than Russell
@@elionmaters9985 it is if there weren‘t all these failires/mistakes he‘d be leading the championship
@@elionmaters9985 okay but these aren’t the standings, these are power rankings *SPECIFICALLY* based on a driver’s performance. You cannot tell me that Ferrari have not severely handicapped Leclerc based on how incompetent they’ve been since Spain and yet he’s still 2nd in points.
Even last year when Sainz beat him, Ferrari botched Leclerc’s strategy in Russia (drove from the rear to P7 before the late rain), Turkey (threw away an easy podium keeping him out too long), and Abu Dhabi (boxed for tires out of P7 and finished P10). Seems like nobody seems to take that into account when it clearly proves Leclerc outperformed Sainz even last year, Ferrari just being Ferrari screwed him over.
So in your opinion, Charles has done one mistake and is third whereas Max has made one mistake in Spain (which didn't result in a loss in points because there's gravel and not the wall and because Ferrari's engine went bang) and he's first and George is second even after his British exercise with Zhou and, despite not being largely his fault, Austrian tangle with Checo? That's... Let's say interesting
B-word ?
There was also the start at Baku where Perez took him in the first corner.
@@MajieB But that's not really a mistake, is it? It's a start, these things can happen.
@paper plane Max also spun in quali (though it didn't matter as much as it did with Charles, that's true) and that tangle with Perez was not really necessarily his fault, he went there and Checo close the gap a bit too late. Not Checo's fault, not Charles' fault, stuff happens.
@paper plane so max pushing mick out of race track in silverstone wasnt a mistake and he also made a rookie error of running over the debris when 19 others dint. It ruined his race. Max also hasnt been on it in qualis like last year.
Thank you for always analyzing Ocon’s driving fairly. I’m so tired of him being ignored by race announcers and slammed by the pundits. He may not be as slick socially as some drivers, but he also doesn’t have the sharp tongue. He deserves fair credit when it’s due. Thank you for getting me through the summer break; it feels endless!
Seb done dirty by the viewers :(
I disagree with Leclerc being 3rd. Saudi, Imola, and Miami Max deserved to win. But Spain, he had that one easily if his engine didn’t blow. Monaco also was an easy win if his strategy wasn’t terrible. In Baku he was next to Verstappen before he pit, he might’ve won that one. In Canada he was faster than Max if it wasn’t for the grid penalty, even then, he would’ve had a podium if it wasn’t for the horrible second pit stop that put him behind a 4 car train. And obviously he would’ve won in GB if they allowed him to pit under the SC.
And don't forget about his qualifications 6 of 11 poles. Mr. Sunday
Leclerc has easily been the best driver this season
@@elliotcrossan6290 I’d disagree. As said in the video there have not been any mistakes from Verstappen while Leclerc did make a massive one in Imola.
@@IchBeinSchlarph qualifying is on saturday. Or in sprintrace weekends on friday
@@juliushegge4845 and? If you Fuck up in quali and start race 20, i think you wouldn't have any chance to win the race.
Wow it just struck me Tommo but Max and Verstappen look really similar to each other, that's so strange!
2022 Alonso reminds me of 08-09 Alonso. Never really in the top, but always there for the most points possible.
More like 2003-2004 Alonso. He ran circles around his teammates in 2008-2009. In 2004 Trulli beat Alonso in the first half of the season like Ocon this year.
Can’t agree with Leclerc… he’s supreme in qualifying against sainz compared to Russel against Hamilton. Makes no error and gives us the best battles without controversies.
So he could actually deserve first place. Imola mistake ok. But max is completely off the pace in Monaco (has a proper underperforming performance compared to the excellence he is usually). Whereas Charles has had no weekend off the pace. And no mistakes except a small one. You shitting me placing him 3rd…
He’s gonna continue smashing the championship with no mistake just like Max did last year.
Sidenote : Hamilton deserves to be a bit higher with the pace he had certain weekends
Charles was off the pace in Imola and crashing in to the wall and throwing away an easy podium isn't a small mistake.
The cope with this man. "Charles' mistake doesn't matter guys and ignore the races where Max just smoked him. Max was a bit slower one weekend so he is definitely the worse driver overall.". Stop the cap, copium is addictive. And this weekend French GP proved that Leclerc is not ready for a championship. Crashing while driving by himself not even in a battle or being chased. Unforced errors show cracks, and Leclerc shown 2 already.
Bro, I completely agree when it comes to your opinion of Fernando. I still can’t stand it, but this man is simply an exception to human nature.
The worst rating you've ever given, including putting Ricciardo as a possible winner for 2021. Russell ahead of Leclerc seems like a British bias or fanboying or both.
Who on earth put Seb at p15? The guy has been carrying that tractor of a car all season.
Charles has literally been the best performer for the whole season 💀 only mistake was in Imola, not even Sky Sports f1 would but Russell p2.
I'd honestly argue Charles has been better than Max. Max has been completely solid but he hasn't been under pressure either and his h2h is much closer against perez than Charles vs Carlos, Charles has routinely embarrassed Carlos.
Nahh I swear this is just to get engagement comments like this one lol
exactly and max has the benefit of the easiest car to drive (not necessarily the quickest but the easiest to control) as well as the best strategy and pits department in F1. In that aspect Id put performances of merc drivers and charles above him.
Charles vs Carlos is much closer than Perez vs Verstappen, I dont know where you found that information
@@iforgot4837 you want to look at Sainz's? Thats a way longer list man
@@lionshistoryandgeography how exactly? Perez has out qualified Max on merit multiple times, whereas Sainz only out qualified Charles in the wet and with an engine penalty. Perez also has to deal with team orders favouring Max whereas Charles and Carlos are allowed to fight. Yes Carlos has also had bad luck but he's also made SO many more mistakes than Charles, who apart from Imola has driven flawlessly. You don't remember the start of the season where he was going into the gravel every other race?
Pure pace is harder to quantify than h2h stats but Charles is undeniably faster, there hasn't been a single time where Sainz genuinely and fairly outraged him. Most of the time he was 10+ seconds behind.
@@ylias8993 Perez' race pace is much slower though. Carlos is closer to Charles.
I'm sorry but having George above Charles just shows British bias. Charles would be leading the championship if his engine didn't blow those two races
And Monaco and Silverstone strategy cock ups
couldn't agree more tbh. I don't usually care enough to leave a like/dislike in a video, but this time, Tommo's opinions about Charles just left me speechless and it pisses the shit out of me that I left a dislike afterwards. This video is such a rare L from Tommo.
I see what you mean but George has been sensational this season. To be top 5 in every single race, up until Great Britain, in a car that has been circling the news about how bad it is, arguably the GOAT struggling massively in the first few races of the season is extremely impressive. All the eyes have been on him and its a huge step up from being a consistent marker and yet he looks like he's been in the team for years. He's literally not had 1 bad race. I think Leclerc should be ahead but it's definitely not wrong to put Russell ahead. It's a matter of opinion. You're underestimating how incredible he's done.
Charles and Max are on equal dnfs. If Charles would lead if his engine didn't blow up, so would max.
@@0megalul309 Do you want to do the maths?
Great video and respect your opinion. Just speaking objectively, I would put Charles a minimum of P2. You cannot deny he has done nothing wrong all season except in Imola. Max had that mistake in Spain going off but no-one mentions it because he won due a Charles PU retirement. Russell has been amazing but he can't be put infront of Charles.
British gp he lost the car in his last run?
Baku he looked up as p1?
Miami he looked up in turn 6-7 being behinf max just 3 sec and lost bec of that over 5 sec....
People think that leclerc is just unlucky but he does a lot of small mistakes when it counts pushing to hard thats not WC level of driving
Leclerc did make mistake though beside Imola
His last lap on Silverstone qualifying was pretty bad though, leaved him third on the grid on the lap could be for pole
And some mistake strategy he did not even speak. He could tell the radio to denied these strategy
@@luuduonghy659 et how he dameged his wing by losing the start against checo and then diving into his side making him slower if that doesnt happen he probably overtake sainz way earlier and wins by 20 sec
@@ehrlichgesagt863 british gp: russel nearly killed zhou
Autrian gp: took out perez
And still you put him above charles?
@@luuduonghy659 Max also dropped it twice in that same Q3 but you’re not gonna hold that against him?
To acknowledge recency bias (which I think is a real issue for these rankings), maybe consider having these polls after every race, rating the drivers simply for that one race?
Watch WTF1 for that lol
I'm sorry but putting Leclerc P3 is just wrong.
The man has been driving like a maniac all season, sometimes even against his own team and its decisions; the only real mistake he can be accounted for is Imola.
Sure, Russel has been performing at a very high level all season but surely it's not enough to snatch P2 from Leclerc, also considering the two big mistakes in Silverstone and in Austria qualifying on Russel's side.
Sometimes I feel like you are just too biased.
I think Ocon deserves a higher spot. I feel only now Alpine is getting the edge on McLaren and he's been consistent on top 10, didn't do any huge mistakes and all the times he DNFed, he was on for a top 10. That's OCONsistency.
He’s like what? 8th in standings and over double Alonso’s points? Alonso’s had horrendous luck, but ocon’s hasn’t been good either, and when they can be compared, they’re very close, especially on race pace they’re incredibly close
@@espo9505 they’re not close at all. Alonso has been comfortably quicker
Alonso litteraly qualified 2s ahead Ocon in Canada, a 41 year old is outdriving a guy who should be in his prime. The only thing on why Alonso is not destroyinh Ocon is because the team is ruining every race.
9/2 in Qualifying for Carlos Sainz vs Leclerc and it would be 11/0 if:
-Charles didn't spin out in Silverstone
-Charles didn't need that new engine at Canada which made him not push nor take part of Q2 IIRC
Yeah but he spun Thats Not Even a a ligitimate point
@@x_ilxvemyr4b0n49 Point is, if we are fair, that'd be a 10-1 for Leclerc still. As he was being faster the whole weekend. And he got even outqualified by an Alpine 1+ seconds slower in theory. Sure Alonso did magic, but it's also Sainz's fault for not taking that car to the limit as well. And in the race they praise him for his pace, but with 3DRS zones he could never overtake Max and almost lost it in a couple of laps. So yeah... IMO Sainz deserves to be that low for what he's done this season so far.
I think you rated Mick correctly. I also think though that he'll only really improve from here on out. In F2 he was meh and didn't score great points in the first half of 2020. He then picked it up in the second half and won of course. I trust in him
Vettel has been done dirty by the voters. Don't understand how he isn't at least a 7/10 for consistently scoring points and making Q3 in the 9th best car on the grid.
Secondly, Gasly has more points and a better qualifying record than Tsunoda who's also made the two most embarrassing blunders of the season in Canada and Silverstone. There is no way he should have a lower score than Yuki.
And I'm sorry Tommo but Leclerc below Russell is a howler from you.
Also, I'd like to see where people would've rated Mick three races ago, the recency bias is strong.
Gasly make too make mistake in this season
Imola: Poor qualifying performance, leaved him 17th on the grid in Sprint
Catalunya: Struggle pace and being out-qualified by Tsunoda though this was his track
Austria: Collide with Vettel
The amount of mistakes and lack of pace of Yuki would take a whole year to look at tbh. Always beating him in qualifying and most of the time in the race as the points show.
@@luuduonghy659 And he still has more points than Tsunoda as well as consistently outqualifying him.
No way Gasly p17 the times where he has not been unlucky he has always been ahead of tsunoda and mick who has also not been very good this entire season just the last few weeks. I guess people will vote the people that they want to do well. Extremely disappointed.
His personal reason for having Gasly that low as well makes no sense either. He’s been somewhat disappointing to the bar he set, but like you said, he’s absolutely not the #17 driver on the grid and is absolutely better than TSU and MSC. A lot of these ranking were suspect honestly. Seb at #9? Russell over Leclerc?
@@okapi3202 that haas car though has been eratic from circuit to circuit. Zhou definitely should be 17th
charles and max are on the same level this year imo. Even the mistake you mentioned in imola, max made one himself in spain, he just got lucky.
DRS issues aside, Max has been doing fair racing this year, there's hardly been any aggressive driving from him and he's been very great to watch, especially his overtakes which are Simply Lovely
I think max has realized that how much a dnf can cost and he is a lot lot smart and calculative in his approach this year .
@@pranavojha7234 No, Max doesn't have anything to prove anymore. He achieved his goal and the pressure is off. He barely even celebrates when he wins, that says enough.
Agree, I think Max was never a dirty driver, yes he had some aggressive driving, but he knew that was the way to beat Lewis and the stewards allowed him to do it do why not. With Leclerc he knows Leclerc wont back out like Lewis does, so he takes a different approach. Just an incredibly smart driver who is already one of the best of all time looking at the statistics at only 24. Lets hope he doesnt become an Alonso who gets shitty cars so he can break records
@@pranavojha7234 I think it´s because he had the feeling that if he didn´t drive that agressive he wouldn´t have won the title. He was ready to give it all even if it was over the edge to achieve his dream. If by the end of the season he´s almost equal to Charles and he has to do it again to win a title he might do so again. I respect this will to win and it reminds me of Schumacher.
@@norbertjanssen814 lol it's dirty racing....it's not respect worthy
Charles has been the best driver this season imo 🤷♂️ would be ahead of max if niether had been messed up by issues either in the car or from the team and has been the fastest driver for the majority of the season
Well leclerc made the mistake in imola and he divebombed perez in silverstone and both max and charles spun in qualifying silverstone, but except for those mistakes both have been faultless so I would put max over charles personally.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 Max made a mistake in Spain too and also that incident in Silverstone was 100 percent Perez’s fault
@@agent6599 Perez had absolutely nowhere to go with max(or sainz?) on his right, and charles was about a car and a half behind when checo was hitting the corner. Was 100% on charles but checo got it back later in the race by completely skipping the second last corner to overtake charles lol
@@agent6599 that incident in spain was caused by a gust of wind, I also don’t blame sainz for when he went off in spain and I also don’t blame hamilton and russel for their austria shunts, a blow of wind in a corner is just bad luck.
Also that was 100% leclercs fault in silverstone he just divebombed into t4 with no chance of perez taking avoiding action because verstappen was on the outside of him.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 all drivers deal with wind
For me:
20. Latifi - as likeable as he is, he overstayed his welcome;
19. Stroll - nothing but extra this year;
18. Ricciardo - nothing but glorious extra this year;
17. Schumacher - last 2 races were good, almost everything before that wasn't;
16. Gasly - despite having some bad luck, he is really underperforming this year;
15. Tsunoda - improved over last season, but that doesn't say much;
14. Albon - solid, given the blue brick that he is driving;
13. Zhou - solid rookie season so far;
12. Magnussen - just solid, nothing more and nothing less;
11. Vettel - too good for that brick he is driving;
10. Norris - outside of that one podium, not very impressive but far from bad;
9. Bottas - started out well, wasn't that impressive in last few races;
8. Ocon - very consistent, rarely makes any mistakes, definitely deserves to be in top 10;
7. Sainz - not championship winning material but still pretty good;
6. Hamilton - disappointing for his standards, but still not bad by any means;
5. Alonso - absolute madman;
4. Perez - not quite up there but better than most;
3. Russell - he is called Mr. Consistency for a reason;
2. Leclerc - great, but plagued by bad luck and morons from Ferrari;
1. Verstappen - literally flawless this year, can't imagine putting anyone else over him.
Can max displace lewis by the time they both retire?
Pretty good ranking tbf
@@sallybally344 gonna be hard. Red bull are gonna have to make a dominant car for the next 8 years, but the thing is merc was unmatched in 2014 while red bull have had Ferrari right behind them the whole season. It’s looking really hard
I disagree with you saying that Leclerc's spin in Imola is something Hamilton or Verstappen don't do.
Max spun into the gravel in Spain, and Lewis bottled Baku last season and was also lucky to not DNF in Imola last season.
Max didnt spin he took a tail wind and had a better recovery in the gravel then Sainz. I agree he went off track but it wasnt a spin.
@@MajieB still an error that most drivers didn't make that weekend
@@EpicChickens1916 1 major mistake in the entire season which was mainly due to wind, and he still got the race win anyway. Leclerc imola was a mistake max would not make now
@@grekii it was an error regardless of if the wind was involved, but there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise🤷♂️
@@EpicChickens1916 bruh I literally said it was a mistake, read again?
I honestly have been most impressed by Fernando
If only Alpine delivered a WDC package.
Same, at 41 and probably top 3 driver of the grid is just mind blowing
@@josedupuydelome9486 genuine question because I am very new to this, only watched highlights and commentary on this season so far. How is Alonso 3rd best driver on the grid when he has so little points and his teammate in the same car is way ahead of him?
@@mikefedorovsky2577 cuz his car keeps breaking up, he keeps getting shitty strategies and a lot of bad luck. When everything goes smoothly he is always beating his teammate
Also, in ever race from Canada onwards when Hamilton said he wouldn't take on as many experimental setup ideas, he has beaten his teammate.
Holy shit, 65% subscriber-rate is freaking insane! Most creators dream of numbers like this. Well deserved I gotta say!
I have a theory that drivers who take breaks to race in other categories, particularly Indy, LMP or GT, gain valuable experience of other racing styles that teaches certain skills and awareness that's harder to learn racing in F1 or feeder series.
I think Kmag is definitely in the top 10 - 8. He had a engine problem in Austria all weekend, yet Mick was barely faster
George has been putting the car where it belongs, as the 3d fastest car, and is responsabile for 2 crashes. Charles has matured and grown from last year and has been the fastest in quali and pretty much perfect in every race outside of Imola. He should be without a shade of a doubt second right there with Max. Can’t say that Hamilton has been slow because they made him try different things and then say that George outperformed him in the same video, and even penalize some drivers because of crashes and then ignoring what George did in Silverstone and Austria. And if surprise was such a big factor, why put Max first and drivers like Yuki so behind. It looks very incoherent
Man, Charles P3 is just bs: 6 poles, at least 3 wins thrown away by his team, always ahead of Carlos if we exclude those races like Spain when he retired or Monaco and Silverstone when the strategy went against him. It's incredible that he still doesn't get the respect he deserves
Alonso is coming for Fangio's "oldest champion" record.
Sebastian vettel was my 8/10
Sainz has been disappointing this year, but i do think that placing him in p10/11 is a tad bit harsh
I think people are too quick to forget Mick's record overall. Obviously we want him to do well, and 2 races on he has done, but 2 races don't erase all the previous ones just like that. Let's see him get a good streak going which I truly hope he does, and then we can pat him on the back.
That’s my feeling as well. Breakdowns has shown he is the driver on the grid that has cost his team the most in crashes this season and they were generally down to driver error. I hope he’ll get consistently better, but it shouldn’t be forgotten that he was way down in the bottom in the first 9 races.
@@Dragonpuncher123 Even after his two races (maybe three if you count Canada as his high as well), Mick was saying he was on a streak, and I was like, woah, woah, calm down there...let's see continued consistency then I'm all for it!
I hated Lewis with passion last season as I am a Max fan, but I just wanted to see someone else win. Awesome to see LH on the podium in the last 3, I hope we see him win again this season and get #8 next year!
I think your a rare gem a max fan that doesn't end up spamming the chat
Hamilton is at his most exciting when watching him crawl his way back to the top. Gonna be exciting when he gets that inevitable #8
no thanks
@@EthanRom it's already been super fun to watch the last 4 races! Went out to the Canadian GP for my first race this year and was absolutely amazing to get to see him back at the front in person!
If this is a mid season report, he should’ve put Vettel, Gasly and Ricciardo in the thumbnail
Funny
I see what you did there
@@TommoMcCluskey 🤪😄
💀💀💀 das ist ein violation
@@chosenone6158 I wanted to add Albon to the list, but didn’t fancy getting lynched
Tbh I can think of 5 races this year where Mick had chances to score points.
-Bahrain, where he got damage from an AlphaTauri, with HAAS then not pitting him for the final restart, leaving him a sitting duck in P11.
-Miami, where he ran in contention but crashed into Seb.
-Canada, where the Ferrari PU happened.
-And then Silverstone and Austria, where he actually showed that his Surname comes from Michael, rather than Ralf.
Out of the 3 times he didn't score when he had a chance, I'd say only Miami was really his fault. That obviously doesn't excuse his lack of pace in other races (Spain and Baku for example), but it makes you view his season as better than what the results show.
Wait so Leclerc had one small mistake and Russell had 2 but Leclerc is behind … math doesnt add up lol. Overall great list though
Leclerc should be ahead of Russell, but don't forget his spin in qualifying at Silverstone. Cost him a front row start.
George i feel has made some really dumb mistakes
1.Going on slicks when there are massive puddles on the track in Canada
2. Causing the accident with Zhou in SIlverstone cause he had a terrible start on his hard tires.
3. Binning it in Austria quali with overdriving.
Totally agree, if he really wants to be mr consistence he’s gotta take a few less risks but also I get why he’s taking those risks, if he’s gonna beat Hamilton he’s gonna have to risk it for the biscuit.
Crikey, imagine unironically saying Russell > Leclerc this season when Leclerc would be leading this championship if it wasn't for Ferrari's reliability and strategy
*Tommo:* "Ferrari has one 'Team W of thr Weekend'."
*Also Tommo:* "I havent awarded it to Ferrari even once, which speaks volumes."
I really think we've been "wronged" by a few things happening at mercedes this year to consider the level of George :
IF it is true that Lewis had to take every set up gambles in the first 5/6 races
We can say the Mercedes is comfortably the 3rd car on the track, way ahead of P4 and way down P2 (less and less though)
Therefore, for George to be P5 in almost every race is just ... Expected... ? Considering we've had at least one retirement from the top 2 teams every race so far or so (I know I'm writing this later, after the start of the summer break) and his car allows him pretty much only to battle his team mate (or Ferrari when they don't want to win the championship), than all George had to do this season is finishing the race, and boom, P5...
For me all of this is like praising Bottas for finishing 2nd in the mercedes in 2020 for example ...
With respect, I disagree with you on Estaban. He has proven himself as a solid driver recently, I know he probably isn't ultra super talented (compared to somebody like Max) but he is good enough to always look and be talented. People were writing off Alpine at the start of the year, but the chemistry, trust and potential in that team is so underappreciated. They allowed Fernando and Ocon to fight each other. Which was a groundbreaking decision for the good of the sport, seeing no team had been really that ambitious and perfectionist in years.
You are asking to much of Esteban he has driven like a demon since his contact extension. He can defend almost all the time, he has pace, and has that something about him under the right coaching.
But that's just my opinion
We will see who is more right, me or you because next weekend it is French Grand Prix that means Ocon and alpines home race. Nice one
I think Fernando is massively staking his claim as THE GOAT not just F1 driver but racing driver with his antics this year.
You have been so harsh on Ocon ! He’s constantly matching alonso in terms of race pace, and has had a lot of bad luck in quali (which is never talked about btw)
Facts
Yeah but Landos smashed ocon in a significantly worse car, ocon shouldn’t be getting outperformed by fernando or lando people forget ocon is very experienced.
@@lucasfountain1607 tbf the Mclaren itself isn’t a bad car, it’s just inconsistent and fluctuates up and down the grid depending on the track
People need to be talking about Bottas though. He’s in a car far superior to the Alpine and Mclaren yet is behind both Norris and Ocon
@@lucasfountain1607 Bruh the McLean was literally the 3rd fastest car in Imola and Lando got a free podium there, thats the only reason he's ahead
You talk about Ocon like he did nothing special and it's all about qualifying.
The thing is, he qualify in front of Russell in djeddah P5. Then being unlucky in qualy everytime, Imola box problem, Miami, Silverstone, Monaco Ocon was faster then Fernando in every sector fighting Norris for P5. Alonso crash into the wall by another drivers mistake, no one talk about it because Perez Red Flag cover him. When Ocon could be P6 behind Norris like in Q2!
Alonso who get all the glory for Monaco and everybody thinks that Alonso was faster, that's wasn't the case.
Again at Baku, Ocon was faster in Qualifying and Alonso goes into Q2 by blocking everyone. Again Ocon should have finish ahead of Alonso by 1-2tenths like Monaco, but no, Yellow flag, Alonso got lucky to keep his grid position one more time and can be ahead of the McLaren when Ocon have to defend and lose time with Hamilton/Vettel/Tsunoda, still everybody thinking Alonso was faster in qualifying.
Just because Ocon never complain or create drama saying how is so unlycky and could have score more point by starting P6 instead of P10, He lose 8points that day, that's how luck works...
Battery problem in Silverstone ? yeah...
No problem in Austria and when Alonso did a driving mistakes, Ocon get P6 behind Russell like in Djeddah.
Don't forget that Alonso now have 5 engine VS 3 Ocon that means he can use them harder and get some tenths in it. (Like Hamilton last year with his new engine) (New engine VS 6 races engine can go to 0.4-0.5s difference)
So saying Alonso is mad unlucky when only saying Ocon got good points without notice all his qualy where he got unlucky and have to start way lower than Alonso.
You act like Alonso canada qualifying (Amazing by the way) and splitting the Mercedes is like that every race when actually in DRY data for every comparable runs, Ocon is faster (by little margin 0.064%) that put Alpine with the closest drivers pair in front of Mercedes. I try to put Data screen in answer to this, ( i don't know if they are allowed)
Data comparaison DRY qualifying : puu.sh/JbHHX/555580ed62.png
But don't get me wrong, Alonso perform to an amazing level, but people under estimate Ocon like always, even with real data !
I am sorry tommo how you can put Charles in p3 when Charles if FERRARI didn't destroy him with bad strategy and engine fires... Charles will have been p1 in the championship by far from max
alonso this man can't catch a break its blowing my mind how you can have so much bad luck for years he is absolutely smashing it this season with so many outstanding performances and goes home with nothing
Imola remains the only mistake charles has made this year, so for me it's 2 or 1
I don't necessarily disagree on the Russel-Charles debate BUT, after Solverstone I really cannot see anyone else taking P1 in your rankings. Slower car, worse tyres, damaged front wing and he still managed to put on an incredible fight with a 7-time WC and the No2 of the fastest team overall. I mean, can one race dictate the whole mid-season ranking? I guess not, but still you get my POV.
I think putting George so far ahead of Lewis is a travesty
I think after the struggles Lewis has had this season p6 is way too high to be honest. Most of the time the Mercs finish exactly where they belong right now, 3rd best. With some retirements they scored higher but over the season I can't say they did such incredible drives. I expected more from Lewis.
@@sem9655 Yeah but you also have the obvious of Lewis being the test mule to help merc figure out the car. In the past 3 races Lewis has outperformed George in quali and races and overall Lewis has shown better race pace and George has seem to have inherited that Hamilton luck too. And don't forget Lewis' weird comeback he always does in the second half of the season while on George's end he tends to fall off a bit.
There are far too many variables with Lewis to just say he's not driving at the best of his ability.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 last race George outperformed Lewis in Quali, and ended up behind him in the race due to the punt. I would hardly say Austria was Hamilton outperforming Russell naturally
@@deeznoots6241 before both mercs crashed in quali it was Lewis who was in contention with redbull and Ferrari, not George.
@@deeznoots6241 If you were watching Quali you would've seen Lewis was in contention for front row before his shunt. Had he completed that lap he very well could've been starting p3.
Alonso being a free practice merchant is clouding everyone’s judgement this season. The truth is that he can only get performance out of the car over one lap where job points are on offer which is also why Ocon is higher in the standings because he knows when the points are handed out and gets the most available to him on any given day.
did he really hold charles at bay in austria tho? charles overtook him 3 times on track i wouldnt call that holding seemed quite easy for charles to go past him
As a Mick fan, I think you've been fair on Mick. Indeed, you have to take the season as a whole, and without the good showings in Canada, Silverstone and Austria, Mick would have probably been ranked next to last in performance. I believe that this recent improvement will continue - as it has happened at the middle of his second season in the series, which has always been the trend with Mick, so maybe by the end of the year we can rank him even higher. But for right now, I feel your ranking was spot on.
i don't know what Sainz has to do to get recognized as a Top 5 Driver.. he had 3 DNFs due to reliability issues.. never finished below 4th.. won a race on his own. Could have been on 2 wins already..
Not to mention he's had to be his own race strategist because the badger with a headset they gave the job to can't be fucked to give him a coherent strategy.
Leclerc definitely deserved a driver of the Weekend for Bahrain and Ferrari team od the weekend I think, they really did look good that weekend, enough to get all the F1 fans excited about their comeback, unfortunately it hasn't panned out threw the year like everyone thought but that weekend was very good
Tbh I’d rate Vettel’s performances this year close to Alonso.
I’d still rate Alonso higher just because he is 41 while Vettel is only 35 but Alonso also has way better machinery available.
I’d give P8 to Seb and P5 or 6 to Alonso.
When these two will retire, F1 will lose a pretty big chunk of talent, despite them being fairly old
Other than that, I agree with you 100%.
No Aston Martin has often been better, only in the last few races.
@@As-qz5lr 🤡What were you watching?
So when alonso is trailing his teammate badly because of bad luck he's still praised massively but when lewis is close to his teammate despite bad luck and experimenting he's doing poorly...
Leclerc outperformed Marcus Ericsson in his first season. Bottas is well known great qualifier. And Zhou beat him 3 times!!! Zhou has been pleasent surprise. The best "pay driver" by far. And much better rookie season than Tsunoda last season.
I was a little apprehensive about him at first but goddamn has he impressed me. Super glad he's okay and can't wait to see how he improves.
i dont think zhou is a championship contender but i do think he is good atdriving, like checho perez
Ricciardo has not been that bad this year:
Bahrain: Finished ahead of Lando in race but struggled in quali. Quite good result considering he missed the Bahrain preseason testing and Lando got a huge advantage from that
Saudi Arabia: Qualified right behind Lando. Team didn’t inform him of approaching cars leading to a 3 place penalty. In the race he was ahead of Lando, until his car broke down.
Imola: Was outqualified by Lando, however, he never got that final Q3 lap in. Everytime they completed a lap they jumped the other driver in that quali so as Lando did the last lap of the two he qualified better. In the race, a small bit of oversteer ended his race.
Australia: Was pretty much on par with Lando and didn’t pass him on the final lap because Lando had an issue and it was team orders. Lando was quicker on the second stint, but Ricciardo was quicker in the first and was being held up by Lando.
Miami: The team couldn’t start up his car so for his final qualifying run in Q2 he didn’t have enough time to make it to the flag without pushing hard, ruining his final Q2 lap.
Spain: Was lucky to out qualify Lando as Lando had his time deleted. The race was poor as he was slow, however, McLaren did confirm there was an issue with his car.
Monaco: In FP1 he was on par with Lando maybe even slightly quicker, then crash in FP2, which McLaren took the blame for. That ruined his whole weekend as he was behind. The race wasn’t great from where he qualified, however he should of done much better in Q2.
Baku: Qualified right behind Lando. Was quicker in the first stint but team orders to hold position left Ricciardo vulnerable as he was losing time and was overtaken. Lando’s overcut failed (which is why they let Lando stay ahead) and Ricciardo came out ahead of Lando when he pitted later. This time Lando was quicker (the hard tyre was just better) and team orders where returned. Ricciardo finished ahead of Lando. Note that when Ricciardo was issued team orders he didn’t complain but followed the direction while Lando behaved childish and immature. Additionally, analysis and extrapolation of the race determined that if Ricciardo had been allowed to overtake Norris he would have come out ahead of the pack of cars he got held up in when he pitted and thus would have finished a few spots higher.
Canada: Out qualified and finished higher than Lando. However, Lando had power issues. And yet again Ricciardo had car issues meaning he had to lift and coast. Not to mention Mclaren’s straight line speed meant he never had a chance of holding onto a points finish.
Silverstone: During Q2 he made a mistake on his lap and then the rain got heavier and no one could improve meaning he was out. In the race he could not use DRS for the second half of it and was also forced to make another stop which cost him 20secs. Multiple 4 second plus pit stops ensured Ricciardo came out in traffic and his undercuts failed. Not to mention the poor strategy and straight line speed.
Austria: Was told to hold position in the sprint. Qualified one place behind Lando. Lando had some sort of brake issue. In the race Lando was much faster. Ricciardo was given team orders at a point during the race but it really wouldn’t of made a difference. Still P9 finish.
The weekends that are relatively problem free for Ricciardo end up being weekends where Mclaren don’t have the pace to score points.
Conclusion: Ricciardo has been very close to Lando all season. Lando is better in qualifying and Ricciardo is typically a better racer than qualifier. Yes, he has had some poor weekends, but seriously he has not been as bad as people say. He has had nothing go his way this season and while Lando has also had issues he has had no where near as many as Ricciardo. Mclaren need to deliver a car capable of delivering desired outcomes for both of its drivers. And Ricciardo needs to deliver results. My point: don’t be so quick to condemn Ricciardo’s results. Poor results doesn’t always mean poor performances and/or a slow driver. There are quite clearly other factors at play.
Ok I guess people are really hating Seb?
I'm so impressed about Fernando, supporting him since 2005 and he is still right there, clearly top 5 for 20 years+ just looking how good he is, I'll give him a 3 years deal contract. Maybe even 5 because he won't fall that fast. Give him the car he will bring you the championship.
Can we get a Nyck De Vries video? I think a video about him would be great!
I would also put Leclerc p3 with a big reason being the strategy. Ofcourse the strategy is determined by the team, but Sainz has had the right strategic sense multiple times this season and actually rejecting their strategy earning him points and even a win. Leclerc just followed and got screwed by Ferarri.
"I havent even given it to Ferrari once" moments before reading out Ferrari as the first team in the list of 1 time Team W winners. Am I losing my mind rn?
Glad the vids are back! Love the content you've made so far this season
Listen it’s all about opinions but here’s some of my issues with both lists:
- Gasly being worse than Tsunoda makes no sense considering Gasly is still comfortably beating him. Gasly has had rough moments but come on, P18 is unfair
- Mick and Zhou are way too high, recency bias is making people forget they’ve both comfortably been bottom 5 on the grid
- Vettel P15 is a joke, he’s easily been at least 7/10 this season
- Lando has been T5 this year, destroyed his teammate, best of the midfield and he hasn’t even had the fastest midfield car, consistent points finishes and only non RB/Ferrari/Merc driver on the podium
- P5/P4 for Perez is too high for someone who if we’re real has still gotten dominated by his teammate, he genuinely hasn’t looked faster than Max at a single race bar Monaco and even that’s hard to judge
- I’m sorry but I can’t see a single universe where Russell has had a better season than Leclerc. Leclerc, if you ignore luck, would at worst be within 10 points of Max Verstappen. Yes he spun at Imola, but Max spun in Spain and got lucky circumstances went his way. As for Russell, he’s made even more mistakes (Silverstone, Austria) and I don’t think he’s been faster than Hamilton overall, which is visible now that Lewis has stopped experimenting with setups. His consistency is nice but a lot of it has just been him putting the 3rd fastest car into P5-P6 where it belongs.
As I said, this is just me giving my opinion and I’m not trying to have a go at you, just disagree with a couple things
I mean if you ignore luck for Leclerc you gotta ignore luck for Max and he'd be like 50 points ahead
Zhou comfortably bottom 5? Makes me think you've not really watched the races ngl.
@@zenvious5645 the under 10 point difference calculation ignores DNFs and bad luck for both so not sure where you got 50 points from
Great argumentation. I agree with most of the points: Only difference being your ranking of zhou. I think Tomo has made good points regarding his ranking: It is his rooky season and if we look at the last rooky seasons from other drivers, we have to admit that Zhous is one of the best (even taking Lando in 2019 into account, where he was stunning but beaten by Sainz, if you look at his level now against Ricardo who at the time was labelled a better driver than Sainz by most people, his rooky season seems like a bad one too), so it sets things into perspective how difficult the first year really is. If we look at race pace and wheel to wheel racing, I think Zhou is right up there with Bottas, even if you take the whole season into account. The difference between both is qualyfing where I think, Bottas is extremly underrated by most people. In my opinion he is one of the best qualyfiers on the grid. (I dont know the numbers, but as far as I remeber he was nearly always close to Lewis in Qualy, not so in the races, which says a lot) This criteria becomes more important when you are racing in the midfield rather than in front: If you outqualify your teammate by 5tens, but only are 2 places ahead of him when fighting at a front, you can still end up fighting with your teammate in the race, whereas in the midfield, you might be 5 or more positions up the grid and have a completly difference strategy than your teammate. This explains the difference in points between Bottas and Zhou in my opinion.
As a German, I really hoped that Schuhmacher would be the one to impress me most this season, but I have to admit that Zhou was stunning to me. Although Schuhmacher might be getting there later on, it is still too early to praise him for his recent performances.
Other than that, your critics to the video would have been the same for me: Charles definetly in front of George and at least very close to Max, Gasly better than Tsunoda, although still not in the upper half, Perez too high, and Lando still absolutly stunning this season.
Cheers mate, you know your stuff.
@@Pricelessmile I have, he’s been great in the last 3 but this is a review of the last 11 races, not the last 3. His overall gap to Bottas is still very high. However I’m ignoring any external context with my ranking such as him being a rookie, just rating his performance compared to others.
1. Verstappen
2. Leclerc
3. Russell
4. Bottas
5. Sainz
6. Hamilton
7. Norris
8. Perez
9. Magnussen
10. Ocon
11. Alonso
12. Gasly
13. Vettel
14. Albon
15. Tsunoda
16. Schumacher
17. Ricciardo
18. Stroll
19. Zhou
20. Latifi
As always Magnussen has been really underrated
A lot of people like to point at Ocon's luck relative to Alonso as why Ocon shouldn't be higher, but nobody acknowledges the lack of luck Ocon has also had (gearbox issue in Imola causing him to qualify P-19, not able to run in Miami quali). At the very least, Ocon has been more impressive than Sainz this season.
exactly. If anything George has been more lucky this season, but people seem to praise him. So why Ocon gets a stick is beyond me. Alonso has been faster and unluckier ofc. But to say a driver 8th in the standings close to Norris (who has a podium) not even in top 10 tells how underappriciated and overly harsh people are being to Ocon
everybody is critisizing charles too much for one mistake (imola), when max has done more this year, yet he got lucky that he didn't lose all those points
This mid season report is mid, it is more opinion based on intuition rather than numbers and metric comparaisons put into context, how for example can you put Alonso ahead of Ocon, yes he had more bad luck than Ocon but his overall performances are not above and beyoned what Ocon did you can just see the qualy pace and race pace comparaison they are evenly matched but the Alonso PR got you straight
If your putting ocon infront of fernando you have to put lando infront of them, he’s pushed the worse mclaren into spots it shouldn’t be.
Honestly I have never seen a driver who has been getting beaten by a teammate by this margin get so much praise from so many people to the extent of Alonso this season
I really liked what you said, you gave the best explanation about Seb
Tsunoda’s performance was decent until canada, but I do not think he deserves this rating after claiming the 2 biggest mistakes of the season