All I got to say is that bow is the nicest bow i’ve ever shot and it’s insanely stable and accurate, think it should’ve got a bit of better score but everyone has their opinions, thanks for the vid!
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Sir, you spent a lot of time saying how SLOW the RVX 32 is; but you failed to clarify that - based on your own testing results, even with it's "buttery smooth draw", it was actually FASTER than the Alpha X 33 and only slower than the Lift 33 by 3 FPS. Full transparency for my Prime Peeps - and the 80 # limbs smoke them both...but hey, I really enjoy your reviews and learn a lot. Keep up the great work....not sure about the vibe thing, more data the better I suppose.
yeah, he seems to hate on alot of other brands quiet a bit, wish there wasn't so much of a bias, like the mathews was like 13fps off and he gives it a 4 rating. Also another thing to note, other people have tested the speed and got different results (faster)
I held a prime a few weeks ago for the first time. I was seriously impressed. Hoyts new cam mod though.... I'm seriously looking at hoyt this year. I love my solution ss though. Gotta start a collection.
So this bow is 19 fps slow and gets a 1/5 score and you consider it to be bad but Mathews was 15 fps slow and gets a 4/5 and considered good??? I hope you get back to being neutral and honest like you used to MFJJ.
This has got to be the most petty comment I've ever read. 😂 He literally does a great review of the bow and gives us all the info we need and you don't like the grade he gives it... I would be embarrassed to post that comment. Also he shoots a damn bowtech why would he be biased towards Mathews.
@@tylercarder581 what am I saying that’s not true? I think it’s a great bow. But it shot 15 fps slower than it’s rating. That’s not good for a bow that’s supposed to be fast. It’s only 2 feet faster then the Mathews V3X series that’s 2 years ago.
@@tylercarder581 why would he be biased you ask? Easy, are you aware that he is friends with Mathews executives and is one of the bigger shops in the country and he just got back from a hunting trip where he flew to the Mathews headquarters then out on a hunting trip with Mathews reps. He mentions this in his podcast. Mathews can give him many perks for positive reviews. Early access to stock, shorter wait times for customers so customers will likely buy from him, better margins per bow. Lots of incentives.
@@toddlymburner5783in that same podcast he said he would be honest, and call manufacturers out. Point both bad and good things out. But this does smell of a bit of bias, which is sad, because he was the one I thought was really objective. Tale as old as time, money talks and he has a business to keep up, people to pay and he alluded to people losing dealerships over honesty. But discrepancies this blatant might lose him viewers (which is a real small income I guess)
@@toddlymburner5783 so he can't do a bow review because he knows the guys at Mathews? Even if he is biased towards Mathews you don't have to agree with the grade he gives? It's not like there is any set criteria to base the grade on. He's presenting you with all of the information for all of the bows. Grade it how you see fit.
The grip was the main selling point for me with Prime. It is insulated and very repeatable. I have never had a better shooting bow than my Prime Inline 3. Lastly, you are shooting at ATA parameters not IBO. Stop saying IBO. Stop dinging bows for being below IBO if you are not going to test their actual IBO speed. That said, the speed you got is still awfully slow.
IBO and ATA both use the same parameters of 30” draw with a 5gpp, IBO just tests up to 80#. It is fair and comparable to test and rate speed using ATA. Yes some bows might have a difference at 80# but it won’t be 10fps+. Even if MFJJ’s chrono is consistently slow, it’s consistent, and Mathew’s and Prime definitely did some fudging this year
Correction, IBO doesn't have a designated draw length for testing so the numbers can definitely vary if a bow can go to 31"+ draw. There would definitely be a difference there.
@@sheyanderson4371 well if Ibo didn't nail down 70/30/350 it's they're own fault and I guess it's called ata now. General standard has always been 70/30/350, everyone I know always referred to that as Ibo.
He's comparing the speed taking into consideration all the other specs of the bow as well not just against the claimed IBO. He also took into account using 80% mods which would get you closer to the claimed IBO.
I guess my only wonder is how many FPS do you lose shooting through the whisker biscuit as you shot a drop away out of the mathews? Would that change that drastic difference in FPS rating?
I am a prime guy and have an inline 5 and prime defy but I must say I agree with you mfjj I have had it with the speed lies of bow companies if I had the money I would buy a new bow with the most accurate speed ratings I know speed isn’t everything but it’s time to be honest nobody wants to buy a Ferrari that has a Miata engine
Speed is not off, at least not by that much. Since this bow goes to 80lbs, the speed is measured at 80lbs. This is ibo definition, despite the usual opinion that ibo speed is measured at 70lbs. ATA is at 70, while ibo is flexible, even the draw length is not fixed.
It's interesting when you adjust draw weight that you always have Primes under 70 by a "little bit" but Mathews is always a "little over"...if it's 70 make it 70!
Anyone who has done A LOT of hunting knows a smooth draw is super important, have yet to meet an animal that was worried about 10 feet a second,speed is over rated.
The only argument I would make is giving the features a 5 if it includes strings and cables as part of their package. I really like the way primes shoot and hold so I never expect them to be fast. But 19 off ibo is crazy.
I wonder why prime has a solid cable guard now vs the flex guard? Does this not defeat the purpose of cable load and the helix payout grove in the cam to move the cables toward the string that the flex guard will do. The fixed guard must be situated close to the Fetched ,vane and cable string as possible to make this cam work and less cam lean? So the cables have to move with the load of the cables toward the string and a flex guard will allow this. If you have a fixed guard this defeats and defies the logic of this cam design? The only thing I can think of the flex guard is bending on dynamic load changing your center shot on the string. The string is going left of center shot as you pull back for a right hand shooter and upon release the string goes right back to center shot. I wonder if this changes the dynamic path of the arrow when shot? It's a science lol !!!
1305 thats the same vibration at Mathews 33 lift. Maybe people can drop the vibration stigma associated with the old Prime dual cams. By the way i shoot Mathews Phase 4.
other people got faster speeds, these devices that measure the speed are super finicky, should also be using this outdoors w/ sunlight same as some golf sims
The speed is because you’re shooting heavier arrows their probably putting those numbers out with light nibs with a stiff but lighter arrow something like a 3D setup not a hunting setup I pull 63 pounds with a prime inline 5 and my 3D arrow shoots 338 fps with a 30 inch draw
I don’t agree with scoring reflex dimensions. That is not a measurement that matters in its own realm. What matters is the distance from the tangent point of the string to the cam, to the axis of the grip. Grip provides a torque about the axis of the grip. String pressure acts to resist that torque. Naturally deflex designs try to maximize that distance but limb length and brace also help. Also the only time reflex does actually matter is when shooting without stabilizers. It changes the position of the center of gravity. With stabilizers you control the mass, CG, and moment of inertia. Lots of tournaments won with an ultra elite and xt3500s. Reflex geometry is only a part of what really matters. That’s how I’ve always modeled it.
I'm a Prime guy so I agree with you, but, I can see where his breakdown comes from. The untrue speed listing kills this series. 280-90s with my setup always makes me happy, and I always achieve it with Prime. But, show up on measured speed. The MFO score was still high.
@@Fite234 For sure. I just don’t like how he lets things go with Mathew’s or says “good enough “. Compared to other bows. He marks things totally inconsistent. And I’m not a prime guy. lol. Just want to see fair.
@Doober560 I will definitely agree with that. I love all bows. I just always keep a Prime in the stables. Mathews has my attention this year. Hasn't last 3. This Prime may make the cut to replace my Inline purely because of the adj let-off and refinement. I've considered a Bowtech this year with all their added goodies, but my hunting setups are tune an forget. Once they're there, they don't move. Hell, I may just put all my money into new accessories this year. UV Slidder be fun to play with.
Prime never seems to build a bow less 32" ata. For that reason alone I will never buy one. I also don't like how they design there nock points inches above the center of string. This is partly the cause of loss of power/speed, dumb design.
nah, go try one out yourself you'll think otherwise. also if speed is what gets you not sold on the bow, other people tested it and got faster speeds, the draw is also buttery smooth @randallflores-qr8cs
My old bow is a Prime CT5, and I am a fan of the center grip. The grip itself was not satisfactory to me in the end. Loving my ss34 currently but jealous of some of this years modifications...
I guess my only wonder is how many FPS do you lose shooting through the whisker biscuit as you shot through a drop away out of the mathews? Would that change that drastic difference in FPS rating?
All I got to say is that bow is the nicest bow i’ve ever shot and it’s insanely stable and accurate, think it should’ve got a bit of better score but everyone has their opinions, thanks for the vid!
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Sir, you spent a lot of time saying how SLOW the RVX 32 is; but you failed to clarify that - based on your own testing results, even with it's "buttery smooth draw", it was actually FASTER than the Alpha X 33 and only slower than the Lift 33 by 3 FPS. Full transparency for my Prime Peeps - and the 80 # limbs smoke them both...but hey, I really enjoy your reviews and learn a lot. Keep up the great work....not sure about the vibe thing, more data the better I suppose.
yeah, he seems to hate on alot of other brands quiet a bit, wish there wasn't so much of a bias, like the mathews was like 13fps off and he gives it a 4 rating. Also another thing to note, other people have tested the speed and got different results (faster)
I held a prime a few weeks ago for the first time. I was seriously impressed. Hoyts new cam mod though.... I'm seriously looking at hoyt this year. I love my solution ss though. Gotta start a collection.
Bow speed shmow speed. I'm just happy to have flagship bows. Im greatful for whatever speed my setup gives me.
So this bow is 19 fps slow and gets a 1/5 score and you consider it to be bad but Mathews was 15 fps slow and gets a 4/5 and considered good??? I hope you get back to being neutral and honest like you used to MFJJ.
This has got to be the most petty comment I've ever read. 😂 He literally does a great review of the bow and gives us all the info we need and you don't like the grade he gives it... I would be embarrassed to post that comment. Also he shoots a damn bowtech why would he be biased towards Mathews.
@@tylercarder581 what am I saying that’s not true? I think it’s a great bow. But it shot 15 fps slower than it’s rating. That’s not good for a bow that’s supposed to be fast. It’s only 2 feet faster then the Mathews V3X series that’s 2 years ago.
@@tylercarder581 why would he be biased you ask? Easy, are you aware that he is friends with Mathews executives and is one of the bigger shops in the country and he just got back from a hunting trip where he flew to the Mathews headquarters then out on a hunting trip with Mathews reps. He mentions this in his podcast. Mathews can give him many perks for positive reviews. Early access to stock, shorter wait times for customers so customers will likely buy from him, better margins per bow. Lots of incentives.
@@toddlymburner5783in that same podcast he said he would be honest, and call manufacturers out. Point both bad and good things out. But this does smell of a bit of bias, which is sad, because he was the one I thought was really objective. Tale as old as time, money talks and he has a business to keep up, people to pay and he alluded to people losing dealerships over honesty. But discrepancies this blatant might lose him viewers (which is a real small income I guess)
@@toddlymburner5783 so he can't do a bow review because he knows the guys at Mathews? Even if he is biased towards Mathews you don't have to agree with the grade he gives? It's not like there is any set criteria to base the grade on. He's presenting you with all of the information for all of the bows. Grade it how you see fit.
The grip was the main selling point for me with Prime. It is insulated and very repeatable. I have never had a better shooting bow than my Prime Inline 3. Lastly, you are shooting at ATA parameters not IBO. Stop saying IBO. Stop dinging bows for being below IBO if you are not going to test their actual IBO speed. That said, the speed you got is still awfully slow.
Can you explain how he's not testing to ibo?
IBO and ATA both use the same parameters of 30” draw with a 5gpp, IBO just tests up to 80#. It is fair and comparable to test and rate speed using ATA. Yes some bows might have a difference at 80# but it won’t be 10fps+. Even if MFJJ’s chrono is consistently slow, it’s consistent, and Mathew’s and Prime definitely did some fudging this year
Ibo is 70#/30"/350 grains and has been the standard for over a decade.
Correction, IBO doesn't have a designated draw length for testing so the numbers can definitely vary if a bow can go to 31"+ draw. There would definitely be a difference there.
@@sheyanderson4371 well if Ibo didn't nail down 70/30/350 it's they're own fault and I guess it's called ata now. General standard has always been 70/30/350, everyone I know always referred to that as Ibo.
Why such large variances in the 3 vibration data readouts??
Josh - what are the manufacturers responses to your speed tests?
Prime RVX's speed was off by 19 and you gave it a score of 1... Mathews lift was off by 17 I think, you gave it a 4 ... Come on man!!!
He's comparing the speed taking into consideration all the other specs of the bow as well not just against the claimed IBO. He also took into account using 80% mods which would get you closer to the claimed IBO.
Mathew’s goes off 80 pound draw weight.
No they don't. MFJJ had a video where he contacted every manufacturer of the bows he tested and they all said 70lb, 30"@@skoolynugenator1802
@@RemedyTalonIBO can use a max speed of 80. I’ve heard from more than one reviewer they shoot it at 80.
ok.. but MFJJ specifically said Mathews themselves tested at 70lb@@skoolynugenator1802
Free bow strings for life. I think that's pretty clutch. Features should be 5.
Will you be testing the Athens Axxis range?
I guess my only wonder is how many FPS do you lose shooting through the whisker biscuit as you shot a drop away out of the mathews? Would that change that drastic difference in FPS rating?
Only a couple fps slower with a biscuit, not really noticeable imo
@@thehunter9149we tested this and its actually a very noticeable speed difference.
I am a prime guy and have an inline 5 and prime defy but I must say I agree with you mfjj I have had it with the speed lies of bow companies if I had the money I would buy a new bow with the most accurate speed ratings I know speed isn’t everything but it’s time to be honest nobody wants to buy a Ferrari that has a Miata engine
Don’t they go by Ibo. Instead of ata speeds. Ibo speed is based off of 80lb draw weight not 70. According to what i read.
Speed is not off, at least not by that much. Since this bow goes to 80lbs, the speed is measured at 80lbs. This is ibo definition, despite the usual opinion that ibo speed is measured at 70lbs. ATA is at 70, while ibo is flexible, even the draw length is not fixed.
Be curious to see you test Xpeditions lightweight alloy bow
Doubtful, he mentioned them before and doesn’t test them because his area doesn’t really have a market for them.
If you had to pick from the prime rvx32 or the Mathew’s lift 29 what would you go with
It's interesting when you adjust draw weight that you always have Primes under 70 by a "little bit" but Mathews is always a "little over"...if it's 70 make it 70!
Anyone who has done A LOT of hunting knows a smooth draw is super important, have yet to meet an animal that was worried about 10 feet a second,speed is over rated.
Amen!
Are you dropping a PSE one tomorrow?
Mach 30 probably. All other PSE bows are scheduled for the ATA show in January
The only argument I would make is giving the features a 5 if it includes strings and cables as part of their package. I really like the way primes shoot and hold so I never expect them to be fast. But 19 off ibo is crazy.
How are you judging ibo speeds on these bows at 70lb when ibo is measured at 80lbs???
I had the same question.
I wonder why prime has a solid cable guard now vs the flex guard? Does this not defeat the purpose of cable load and the helix payout grove in the cam to move the cables toward the string that the flex guard will do. The fixed guard must be situated close to the Fetched ,vane and cable string as possible to make this cam work and less cam lean? So the cables have to move with the load of the cables toward the string and a flex guard will allow this. If you have a fixed guard this defeats and defies the logic of this cam design? The only thing I can think of the flex guard is bending on dynamic load changing your center shot on the string. The string is going left of center shot as you pull back for a right hand shooter and upon release the string goes right back to center shot. I wonder if this changes the dynamic path of the arrow when shot? It's a science lol !!!
1305 thats the same vibration at Mathews 33 lift. Maybe people can drop the vibration stigma associated with the old Prime dual cams. By the way i shoot Mathews Phase 4.
Holy smokes to be that far off on speed is uncalled for. Don’t get me wrong I like prime bows but that is crazy. Great review
Solid bow. Hate the speed is off so bad.
other people got faster speeds, these devices that measure the speed are super finicky, should also be using this outdoors w/ sunlight same as some golf sims
@@EpiiKSiiNzthat’s actually a really good point with the gold comparison
Guys, he did the same thing with elite ethos, I actually posted on the 33” Hoyt about it… same deal! I get it lol.
The speed is because you’re shooting heavier arrows their probably putting those numbers out with light nibs with a stiff but lighter arrow something like a 3D setup not a hunting setup I pull 63 pounds with a prime inline 5 and my 3D arrow shoots 338 fps with a 30 inch draw
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I don’t agree with scoring reflex dimensions. That is not a measurement that matters in its own realm. What matters is the distance from the tangent point of the string to the cam, to the axis of the grip. Grip provides a torque about the axis of the grip. String pressure acts to resist that torque. Naturally deflex designs try to maximize that distance but limb length and brace also help. Also the only time reflex does actually matter is when shooting without stabilizers. It changes the position of the center of gravity. With stabilizers you control the mass, CG, and moment of inertia. Lots of tournaments won with an ultra elite and xt3500s. Reflex geometry is only a part of what really matters. That’s how I’ve always modeled it.
To be fair I never believe IBO speeds. They can be misleading. To many variables. IBO allows up to 82 lb draw. ATA limits it to 70+/- 2 lbs.
These bows in every speck compare to the Mathews besides features maybe and he crushes these and praises Mathews. Silly.
I'm a Prime guy so I agree with you, but, I can see where his breakdown comes from. The untrue speed listing kills this series. 280-90s with my setup always makes me happy, and I always achieve it with Prime. But, show up on measured speed. The MFO score was still high.
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For sure. I just don’t like how he lets things go with Mathew’s or says “good enough “. Compared to other bows. He marks things totally inconsistent. And I’m not a prime guy. lol. Just want to see fair.
@Doober560 I will definitely agree with that. I love all bows. I just always keep a Prime in the stables. Mathews has my attention this year. Hasn't last 3. This Prime may make the cut to replace my Inline purely because of the adj let-off and refinement. I've considered a Bowtech this year with all their added goodies, but my hunting setups are tune an forget. Once they're there, they don't move. Hell, I may just put all my money into new accessories this year. UV Slidder be fun to play with.
If you have been into SVA,MOST of the bows are mathews so MAYBE ? There's some biast going on credibility is paramount???
@@Doober560 yup and Mathews was 14fps slow and he gave them an extra 4fps and gave them a 4/5 rating on speed
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Like Mathews, they posted IBO speed and not ATA... Know your busy but once again you skimp on details.
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Prime never seems to build a bow less 32" ata. For that reason alone I will never buy one. I also don't like how they design there nock points inches above the center of string. This is partly the cause of loss of power/speed, dumb design.
The point is designed not to be center but the grip and that's what makes them hold so nice
Have you ever shot one?
The bias on this channel is getting really freakin old... done watching this fanboy hate on anything other than the big 2
I had my hopes up for this one. Like every year.........a swing and a miss by Prime!
nah, go try one out yourself you'll think otherwise. also if speed is what gets you not sold on the bow, other people tested it and got faster speeds, the draw is also buttery smooth @randallflores-qr8cs
My old bow is a Prime CT5, and I am a fan of the center grip. The grip itself was not satisfactory to me in the end. Loving my ss34 currently but jealous of some of this years modifications...
I guess my only wonder is how many FPS do you lose shooting through the whisker biscuit as you shot through a drop away out of the mathews? Would that change that drastic difference in FPS rating?
2-5fps. So this bow was actually faster than the Matthews that he gave a 4/5 on speed. Laughable.
Yes, it's a huge deal