if i was Raven, i personally would not want the crown 15 years later...like Raven has truly won already. telling Ru to give the crown to Raven is so tired.
What would she do with it anyway? Raven is a lazy performer. Her outfits are basic. She is awful at doing interviews, she can't dance or sing, she isn't particularly funny. Makeup is all She has. She isn't in the same league as say Jinkx and Bianca.
The act of stripping the crown from a winner is entirely symbolic, but it's powerful to the queens that spent years (and thousands of dollars) in the pageant system. Having RuPaul crown a queen is enormous in our business. Having RuPaul take it away should be equally devastating, but Tyra gave _Drag Race_ the finger years ago. Taking the crown would strictly be for the fans who want a meaningful response from Ru, but Kris is right - RuPaul typically lets the children hash out their own spats while at the playground and that's part of what makes her RuPaul. She's an untouchable deity with only benevolent words of wisdom, _(looks around, whispers)_ but you can bet she's damned grateful for having that archive footage of her slapping that fool.
I know what production can do, at the season 17 finale, they bring Raven out in between crowning Ms. Congeniality & the season 17 winner, and explain that winners shouldn’t behave as Tyra has & crown Raven for their work in and since season 2. Reclaiming the season 2 crown!
YES! WHAT YOU SAID! We ALL knew Raven should have gotten that crown! Raven has done very, very well for themselves with their current gigs and accompanying Ru around the world. Raven is an EMMY WINNER, BABY! Tyra who?
When we are saying it should go to Raven is not because of the money. We know she’s successful but to continue to let a person that shall not be named continue spreading vitriol years after years after years. This is the breaking point. Something needs to be done.
Sad part is, they're literally still at it. There is a recent IG post on their page with the caption "Was it aids or an overdose?" Its literally disgusting. They're never gonna learn and they need some serious help. Because obviously everything is NOT okay at home.
I can't stand with James on this one . James is miserable, and he should really seek help . He really is rotten to the core . I was rootin, for him too , im disappointed, but not surprised.
Tyra is the Azealia Banks of drag. She doesn't care HOW she gets the attention or if it's positive or negative attention, she just thirsty for that attention. Why she gets so defensive when people clap back to her negativity is very odd behaviour. Is the short bus still runnin'?
Tyra has a son, as a parent Tyra/James would be more than fuming mad if people spoke of his son in the same manner as he's spoken about The Vivienne. I hope that Tyra/James' son isn't affected by his father's actions, if people know that James is Tyra & his dad people may be cruel to the kid.
FYI the "kid" is 20 now and can stand for himself. Sadly he is being raised by a true sociopath. I feel bad for that "kid" but his dad keeps talking so it is all James fault. Period.
Raven is an Emmy nominated & winning make-up artist (for RuPaul’s Drag Race). Season 2 was awarded $25,000. I do think there should be a de-crowning or however the pageants do it of Tyra. I don’t know if there should be a re-crowning. Like you said, “Raven is winning”.
I think since winning season 2 is Tyra's only accomplishment as a drag performer, stripping the crown would be appropriate, and would make up for a fraction of the horrible things he's done. Since he doesn't seem to care about anything or anyone, this would probably be the only thing that could be done. Hopefully, Karma will take care of him eventually
The queens are too young to remember: When Joan Crawford died, Bette Davis was reported to have said "You should never say bad things about the dead, only good. Joan Crawford is dead? Good." In life/death, you can't expect to direct someone's response being disrespected. IJS
Bette and Joan worked together and their feud was legendary. Viv makes one joke tweet 5 years ago and Tyra takes the opportunity of the death of a successful drag queen to feed her own ego. I agree with what you are saying, but the circumstances are very different in this case.
The “feud” between Joan and Bette was in an age where people had to say what they meant to someone’s FACE. Those ladies had more balls than Tyra will ever have.
Raven may not have had a crown put on her head, but in the long run, she is the big winner. Raven is one of my favourite queens. Another queen that I adored, was The Vivienne. RIP Edit: Tyra who??
I'm so glad Ru finally spoke up about this. Tyra's been an undeserving mess of a winner for years now. I know dethroning her wouldn't really do anything but I'm sure it would hurt her pride even if she pretends like it won't.
Season 2 crown is messy as hell. She needs to relax. What you said, folks. Something is going on with her brain, she needs to stop threatening people. I believe Kandy just messy enough to squabble with her ahh irl. And the Bronx? Honey, she's going to get papped out. 😊❤
Bravo Rue. I must admit you have done several things that have really disappointed me over the years. All is forgiven :-) This was the perfect response to James's behavior. When you slap back you really slap back. :-) People that are saying that Raven should be given his crown in my opinion are mistaken. Tyra won Raven didn't. Because James is being an asshole doesn't make Raven is a winner by default. She isn't a second runner up in a beauty pageant. This ia RPDR. Raven came back as an All-Star and had the opportunity to win and she didn't. That was her second chance. RuPaul can go through the formalities of saying that she no longer acknowledges Tyra as ever being a drag race Queen but that's all just pettiness and child's play. Not something that she would ever do which she proved with her response. The bottom line is we have lost an amazing member of the drag community. One of the finest drag queens in the world as well as an extremely special man. They will be missed terribly. I suggest taking the focus off of James and enjoying some of the amazing footage of The Vivienne that's available to us.
Oh no, despite everything Tyra Sanchez seems to be winning at the moment. He's playing the game, he got y'all exactly where he needs y'all. He got y'all talking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We won’t be talking long, and shall await the inevitable karma coming back upon them, I’m flinging tyre-a on the Megan marble dumpster fire, bye Felecia
@@greenbeantm1096 I was confused by the puppet comment too. Was she saying that Ru was just following the pack, as if he doesn’t have a mind of her own? It baffles me that Tyra is acting like her comment isn’t insensitive
Raven is, to my knowledge, the only previous contestant to make it through the Seven Gates of Hell and into the mythic UnHoly of UnHolies: RuPaul's dressing room. And trust: there isn't a drag queen alive that hasn't dreamed about seeing where the "magic" happens. Raven won far more than anything ever handed to Tyra. She was bequeefed the chocolate factory. A decent-paying job working all over the world with the greatest drag queen of all time and becoming her confidant, to boot. But the best thing Raven's been given? A tell-all story that will surely set off one of the most intense bidding wars between publishers the moment Miss Charles kicks the bucket.
Tyra wasn't joking though. The fact that she had held on to The Vivienne's tweet from 2020 ( and Viv was obviously joking despite Tyra trying to spoil who had won drag race UK)
What does that have to do with what she said about Vivienne? There have been plenty of queens who have won that have got hate, yet they don't behave like Tyra.
(Kris, the moment you got into your no-holds-barred reading of Tyra, my finger raced to see the runtime and I laughed out loud: A good UA-camr knows to save their most colorful language for just _after_ five minutes).
Couldn't agree with you more Kris, they should have come for Tyra instead of Viv. First time visiting your Channel what a pleasure to spend some time with the real deal. Happy to subscribe.
Honestly, Tyra wanted to make herself relevant again. She's totally uninvited to Dragcon, she's black-listed from All-Stars, she's irrelevant, her son's mom wants nothing to do with her. She is getting her Karma very soon.
if a queen cannot fulfill their duties then she should be stripped of her crown and it be passed to the next. take her name from the list of winner and replace it. it's the principle
Obvious this deluded personality has not grown as a human being in the years since their win. What a horrible person. Incredibly immature. Tyra was raising their small child back then. I hope the child has not been warped by Tyra's personality.
Definitely needs drag race. She works for drag race. Everything she does is centered around drag race what are you talking about? Raven should have not won. Raven is very much a terrible person just like Tara please stop trying to push Raven.
This is bias at its finest. Raven sat there for YEARS at drag Con disrespecting Tyra and all allowing his fans to openly disrespect Tyra. Tyra won FAIR AND SQUARE. Where were the girls or RuPaul when Tyra was being disrespected? No one said a word. As for the Vivienne...don't start none wont be none.
Viv started beef with tyra . tyra made a perfect shady remark to finish it. as viv said herself recently...if you cant take a joke, fuckoff.... viv would be gasp laughing her head off if she had not died.
Viv started beef with tyra . tyra made a perfect shady remark to finish it. as viv said herself recently...if you cant take a joke, fuckoff.... viv would be gasp laughing her head off if she had not died.
@@wearethenewmalearmy1399 her clapback is four years too late. Is her brain that much delayed that she needed to seize this opportunity for a tired comeback?
if i was Raven, i personally would not want the crown 15 years later...like Raven has truly won already. telling Ru to give the crown to Raven is so tired.
What would she do with it anyway? Raven is a lazy performer. Her outfits are basic. She is awful at doing interviews, she can't dance or sing, she isn't particularly funny. Makeup is all She has. She isn't in the same league as say Jinkx and Bianca.
The act of stripping the crown from a winner is entirely symbolic, but it's powerful to the queens that spent years (and thousands of dollars) in the pageant system. Having RuPaul crown a queen is enormous in our business. Having RuPaul take it away should be equally devastating, but Tyra gave _Drag Race_ the finger years ago. Taking the crown would strictly be for the fans who want a meaningful response from Ru, but Kris is right - RuPaul typically lets the children hash out their own spats while at the playground and that's part of what makes her RuPaul. She's an untouchable deity with only benevolent words of wisdom, _(looks around, whispers)_ but you can bet she's damned grateful for having that archive footage of her slapping that fool.
Ikrrrrrr
@@pobstrel Ok Tyra😂 Go touch grass
@@pobstrelyou sound jealous of her career lol
She thinks this negative publicity is going to increase her purse… she won’t be getting a gig anytime anywhere for a long time.
I know what production can do, at the season 17 finale, they bring Raven out in between crowning Ms. Congeniality & the season 17 winner, and explain that winners shouldn’t behave as Tyra has & crown Raven for their work in and since season 2. Reclaiming the season 2 crown!
YES! WHAT YOU SAID! We ALL knew Raven should have gotten that crown! Raven has done very, very well for themselves with their current gigs and accompanying Ru around the world. Raven is an EMMY WINNER, BABY!
Tyra who?
I said to my mom yesterday that I think this might finally be what does it
I love that idea but that would take away from the winner. Ru should definitely do this at drag con.
That would be a great way to show fans the importance of community, which is something Tyra has never cared about.
Delusion. 😊❤
When we are saying it should go to Raven is not because of the money. We know she’s successful but to continue to let a person that shall not be named continue spreading vitriol years after years after years. This is the breaking point. Something needs to be done.
Sad part is, they're literally still at it. There is a recent IG post on their page with the caption "Was it aids or an overdose?" Its literally disgusting. They're never gonna learn and they need some serious help. Because obviously everything is NOT okay at home.
@@StarriNite33 Tyra is absolutely vile
I can't stand with James on this one . James is miserable, and he should really seek help . He really is rotten to the core . I was rootin, for him too , im disappointed, but not surprised.
Tyra is the Azealia Banks of drag. She doesn't care HOW she gets the attention or if it's positive or negative attention, she just thirsty for that attention. Why she gets so defensive when people clap back to her negativity is very odd behaviour. Is the short bus still runnin'?
I know she was calling people haters on X… like Tyra girl you are hatred embodied, the Priestess of hate. And you’re calling people haters?
Tyra's delusional. I bet she voted for Cheetolini. 😊❤
That would be The Vixen
@@bastioncory6740 The Victim
Always thought this
Tyra has a son, as a parent Tyra/James would be more than fuming mad if people spoke of his son in the same manner as he's spoken about The Vivienne. I hope that Tyra/James' son isn't affected by his father's actions, if people know that James is Tyra & his dad people may be cruel to the kid.
That part 💯
FYI the "kid" is 20 now and can stand for himself. Sadly he is being raised by a true sociopath. I feel bad for that "kid" but his dad keeps talking so it is all James fault. Period.
Raven is an Emmy nominated & winning make-up artist (for RuPaul’s Drag Race). Season 2 was awarded $25,000. I do think there should be a de-crowning or however the pageants do it of Tyra. I don’t know if there should be a re-crowning. Like you said, “Raven is winning”.
Yeah, does it play by the same rules as a registered “pageant”? Probably not. It sucks, but it’s most likely true.
I think since winning season 2 is Tyra's only accomplishment as a drag performer, stripping the crown would be appropriate, and would make up for a fraction of the horrible things he's done. Since he doesn't seem to care about anything or anyone, this would probably be the only thing that could be done. Hopefully, Karma will take care of him eventually
"there's clearly something going on with your damn brain!"
EXACTLY! Say it louder for the ones in the back
The queens are too young to remember: When Joan Crawford died, Bette Davis was reported to have said "You should never say bad things about the dead, only good. Joan Crawford is dead? Good." In life/death, you can't expect to direct someone's response being disrespected. IJS
@@lawaii2024 The difference is Joan and Bette worked on a movie together, so I understand their feud. Tyra is salty over an old tweet
Bette and Joan worked together and their feud was legendary. Viv makes one joke tweet 5 years ago and Tyra takes the opportunity of the death of a successful drag queen to feed her own ego. I agree with what you are saying, but the circumstances are very different in this case.
The “feud” between Joan and Bette was in an age where people had to say what they meant to someone’s FACE. Those ladies had more balls than Tyra will ever have.
Joan bullied TF out of Bette, I'm not surprised. 😊❤
@ she sure did! “ if I wasn’t in this chair! But YAARRR Blanche!! YA AARRR in that chair!” Back when reading was BIBLICAL!!
Raven may not have had a crown put on her head, but in the long run, she is the big winner. Raven is one of my favourite queens. Another queen that I adored, was The Vivienne.
RIP
Edit: Tyra who??
Raven doing great. She don't need a crown.
I'm so glad Ru finally spoke up about this. Tyra's been an undeserving mess of a winner for years now. I know dethroning her wouldn't really do anything but I'm sure it would hurt her pride even if she pretends like it won't.
Season 2 crown is messy as hell. She needs to relax. What you said, folks. Something is going on with her brain, she needs to stop threatening people. I believe Kandy just messy enough to squabble with her ahh irl. And the Bronx? Honey, she's going to get papped out. 😊❤
Bravo Rue. I must admit you have done several things that have really disappointed me over the years. All is forgiven :-) This was the perfect response to James's behavior. When you slap back you really slap back. :-)
People that are saying that Raven should be given his crown in my opinion are mistaken. Tyra won Raven didn't. Because James is being an asshole doesn't make Raven is a winner by default. She isn't a second runner up in a beauty pageant. This ia RPDR.
Raven came back as an All-Star and had the opportunity to win and she didn't. That was her second chance.
RuPaul can go through the formalities of saying that she no longer acknowledges Tyra as ever being a drag race Queen but that's all just pettiness and child's play. Not something that she would ever do which she proved with her response.
The bottom line is we have lost an amazing member of the drag community. One of the finest drag queens in the world as well as an extremely special man. They will be missed terribly. I suggest taking the focus off of James and enjoying some of the amazing footage of The Vivienne that's available to us.
Oh no, despite everything Tyra Sanchez seems to be winning at the moment. He's playing the game, he got y'all exactly where he needs y'all. He got y'all talking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We won’t be talking long, and shall await the inevitable karma coming back upon them, I’m flinging tyre-a on the Megan marble dumpster fire, bye Felecia
I don't know if winning is the way I would refer to how things are going for her. All attention is not good attention, contrary to what some believe.
@Hiiiiiiiiieeee traditionally you'd be 100% right in a "normal" world, but we're no longer part of that world. Look around, read the room.
@Hiiiiiiiiieeee that's what everyone is doing to spike up traffic to their page as he stated and get the 💰 coming....
Talking is one thing, but is that translating into dollar signs?
season 1 was 20k, season 2 was 25, season 3 it jumped to 75, then season 4 it went to 100k
4:48 does puppet mean something I don’t know, or is Tyra somehow dumb enough that she called the literal puppet master a puppet? 😂
@@greenbeantm1096 I was confused by the puppet comment too. Was she saying that Ru was just following the pack, as if he doesn’t have a mind of her own? It baffles me that Tyra is acting like her comment isn’t insensitive
Raven is, to my knowledge, the only previous contestant to make it through the Seven Gates of Hell and into the mythic UnHoly of UnHolies: RuPaul's dressing room. And trust: there isn't a drag queen alive that hasn't dreamed about seeing where the "magic" happens. Raven won far more than anything ever handed to Tyra. She was bequeefed the chocolate factory. A decent-paying job working all over the world with the greatest drag queen of all time and becoming her confidant, to boot.
But the best thing Raven's been given? A tell-all story that will surely set off one of the most intense bidding wars between publishers the moment Miss Charles kicks the bucket.
Tyra wasn't joking though. The fact that she had held on to The Vivienne's tweet from 2020 ( and Viv was obviously joking despite Tyra trying to spoil who had won drag race UK)
But ya’ll act like Tyra hasn’t been hatted on , from the day she RIGHTFULLY won over Raven !! Pathetic
What does that have to do with what she said about Vivienne? There have been plenty of queens who have won that have got hate, yet they don't behave like Tyra.
(Kris, the moment you got into your no-holds-barred reading of Tyra, my finger raced to see the runtime and I laughed out loud: A good UA-camr knows to save their most colorful language for just _after_ five minutes).
Couldn't agree with you more Kris, they should have come for Tyra instead of Viv.
First time visiting your Channel what a pleasure to spend some time with the real deal. Happy to subscribe.
@@dixierae6063 thank you 🙏
Subbed after the “do you need an exorcism?” ❤
They should set up Raven to win an All Stars season.
Honestly, Tyra wanted to make herself relevant again. She's totally uninvited to Dragcon, she's black-listed from All-Stars, she's irrelevant, her son's mom wants nothing to do with her. She is getting her Karma very soon.
Who? All i heard was the winner of RPDR S2 is Raven ! Runner up Jujubee
You need an exorcism 😂😂😂😂😂
the real winner of season 2 is MSM lol
if a queen cannot fulfill their duties then she should be stripped of her crown and it be passed to the next. take her name from the list of winner and replace it. it's the principle
That shit aired 15 years ago. Get over it. Just cancel Tyra Sanchez and she will fade into obscurity, as she should.
@@jenng7389 At the time she won fair and square. However we can allow her to fade into obscurity once all of this dies down
I Live for your Shade!!!!
Time to take back that crown and crown Raven
Tyra who?
Obvious this deluded personality has not grown as a human being in the years since their win. What a horrible person. Incredibly immature. Tyra was raising their small child back then. I hope the child has not been warped by Tyra's personality.
@@wendybutler1681I thought about that too!!!! *shudder*
Well if they gave it to raven she could be on winners all stars
She already did poorly on All Stars. She would never win.
Raven was robbed!!!!
Definitely needs drag race. She works for drag race. Everything she does is centered around drag race what are you talking about? Raven should have not won. Raven is very much a terrible person just like Tara please stop trying to push Raven.
I was with you until you used the R slur… twice…
Kris your wrong
Hi Kris
This is bias at its finest. Raven sat there for YEARS at drag Con disrespecting Tyra and all allowing his fans to openly disrespect Tyra.
Tyra won FAIR AND SQUARE.
Where were the girls or RuPaul when Tyra was being disrespected? No one said a word.
As for the Vivienne...don't start none wont be none.
The Vivienne didn't start anything. Her tweet was a response to Tyra who threatened to spoil who had won the first season of RPDRUK.
Viv started beef with tyra . tyra made a perfect shady remark to finish it. as viv said herself recently...if you cant take a joke, fuckoff.... viv would be gasp laughing her head off if she had not died.
Wrong. The Vivienne tweeted in response to Tyra who was threatening to spoil who won the first season of RPDRUK.
Viv started beef with tyra . tyra made a perfect shady remark to finish it. as viv said herself recently...if you cant take a joke, fuckoff.... viv would be gasp laughing her head off if she had not died.
@@wearethenewmalearmy1399 her clapback is four years too late. Is her brain that much delayed that she needed to seize this opportunity for a tired comeback?