@Akain777 in the beginning with the fire, there is a log you can burn saving both picture butttt later when you get your bag back neither picture are still there :)
I hated this sorry ass season 2 group. They came to Kennys house, got his friends and new gf killed, & then tried treating him like HE was the loose cannon of the group
fr like they KNOW Carver was on their asses but they still decided to stop and get comfortable at Kenny's house. Kenny might be insufferable sometimes but they're just braindead
It would’ve made wayy more sense if they set up an ambush or something. They know they’re being followed and clem saw them at the bottom of the hill, but they pretended everything was cool. Never seen a bigger fumble
@Akain777 exactly! They had the guns to do so and they were outnumbered but the only reason they had the upper hand is because our group got too damn comfortable, you wouldn't do that in a real zombie apocalypse
I love this season hands down but I found it really annoying how all these GROWN adults this season were so dependent on Clementine throughout this season and kept blaming her for things that were completely out of her control.
@@arcanefury3666i don’t get why they had to kill off Luke. He was a great character with only 1 flaw, they made him depend on Clem. But overall he actually was a pretty cool man.
probably annoying because it reminds yall of yourselves and the actual world. Imagine a world where you lose most of your usual temporary pleasures and coping mechanisms. Even now yall aren't any different and in a zombie apocalypse most definitely wouldnt be but truth makes complaints worthless since they're just meant for us to be heard and feel special
@@seanbaby1060 another person that was cool was Pete. But i feel Telltale killing him off to early was a mistake as he would have come off as a sort of light version of Lee. A maybe have him die during the end of episode 2 during carvers attack at the lodge. Or have him live until the end of ep 3 or start of ep 4. Where he sacrifices himself to save Clem and draw the horde to his position.
@@silentecho92able agreed Pete was a good character they wasted him, it would have been more impactful if they killed him off towards the end of the season
@@seanbaby1060 Basically the Hershel of the group. He could have acted as second in command. Or the advisor of the camp, and be the pillar of the group. It would make more sense in ep 4, Kenny confides in him considering they are both of the same age as they both lost family and friends and develop a friendship. Jane still leaves the group at the end of ep 4 never to come back at all. Frustrating Luke, as her reasons is this group is falling apart and does not wanna be in it when it does. Making Luke angry at Kenny all the way, an during the lake crossing instead of Luke dying it would be Pete. Which would push Kenny overboard losing another friend he made. An Luke developing more anger towards Kenny and make him start thinking irrationally moving forward.
And they were going to give Lilly’s returned to Christa, but they said that they didn’t think that would be in character for Christa, but they could’ve figured out some other way to bring her back in season four
@JackAttackWseriously?! I can totally see Christa ‘going bad’ after all she went through: losing her husband, friends and her unborn child to the plague that essentially ended the world? Hell we saw it with Negan in the tv show! The only thing that would need changing is the “kidnapping kids for soldiers” bit that Lilly was doing, given how she was with Clem (and even putting her child aside for a moment) I honestly doubt Christa would have done that. Leaving her as “missing” at the end of the Final Season still annoys me 😤😤😤
I think their original plan was for aj to be christa's son but they needed to introduce a bunch of new characters for plot reasons and didn't know how without tossing christa and omid aside so they got rid of them
jane saw a man who was one step away from crashing out and decided to drop kick his ass to that point 😭 like how do you leave an infant alone in a blizzard in a zombie apocalypse to prove a point??
I SEE NO LIES HERE. Jane is the hardass survivalist but anything could have happened to AJ in that car. Someone could’ve snatched him, zombie could’ve heard him crying, or literally anything (especially when siding with Jane is like useless lowkey) 💀💀 Plus everything you do to train Sarah or motivate her just doesn’t work. It’s such a waste of potential. As a writer myself this was an insane fumble.
@@CosmiccNova like clem and sarah raising aj together?? sarah stepping up and learning how to survive and protect herself and others?? that would’ve been so fuckin cool to see in s4
I also thought it was out of character for her, I was like "Why not leave then ? Its fine" That and how she offs herself and leaving clem ? It feels off coming from her ngl
@@SiIker.it’s so clear and unfortunate that they need the next games to start at a similair point for all players meaning they have to get rid of Jane and Kenny one way or another
Carlos pissed me off the most because he treated Clemtime the most like a stupid kid. Like dude shes not your anxiety ridden daughter, she is carrying your ass!!!
Ikr , Carlos even calls her a "kid" , like This "kid'' was able to kick down a locked door with 2 kicks , able to stitch herself up , etc She's literally more useful than Carlos has ever been
We gotta talk about Bonnie more, because how tf is she going to basically get Luke killed (during when they were walking on the frozen lake) after it was obvious that where he was couldn’t withstand multiple people…. and then have the AUDACITY to blame Clementine for not saving him when he falls in??? and notice how as soon as Kenny got the truck working, she’s already planning on leaving. 💀
@@starlaixystar The intensity of your comment and the fact that everyone unanimously agrees got me cracking the hell up. It’s 8AM dude, I can’t do this. 😂
@@BarbecueBaconBurger0she does if you choose to defend luke instead of helping him and when Luke and Bonnie goes in the water, then when you see Luke banging the frozen lake and you get the option to break it if you don’t choose anything or don’t do anything then they both die in there but Clem comes out fine and isn’t freezing to death
HOW THE HELL was Carlos a doctor but couldn't tell a dog bite from an undead human bite? And said to wait to see if Clementine doesn't get a fever even tho that would have happened anyway due to the infection.
I hate how quickly Omid and Christa just die right at the start, like it barely leaves enough room for old players to deal with Lee's death, and doesn't allow enough emotional attachment to new players, even then in Season 1, we never saw much of a relationship between Clem and them
@@AliceSoli-w6n Bro, she's cooked. Stop with that. You literally heard punching sound effects, her screaming, then a gunshot. Season 4 is the end of the series and they brought back Lily instead of her. She's dead.
@@Kingdom850 We know telltale all too well at this point. I dont want a season 5 to happen but if it does they’ll definitely bring her back. Despite the fact that she couldnt have survived. Telltale knows no bounds😂😂
@@Akain777 Telltale lost the rights to TWD after they got cooked with bankruptcy so they actually can't make more seasons. The telltale we got now is basically just a whole different company with the same name since most of the devs left. Skybound has the rights now and they already decided to mess up the story with that horrible Clementine comic book series.
I dont think Kenny is as mad as he should be at the group. They came killed his friend, got got another one killed, got him and his new girlfriend kidnapped all in the same day.
Sarah was my biggest disappointment with this season, the potential for her to develop and become a competent survivor was completely wasted. You even teach her how to aim a gun which doesn't make a single difference later on in the story, and then she gets killed because telltale said so.
I know this sounds bad, but Sarah reminded me a lot about myself. Introverted, sheltered, full of anxiety with no true view of the real world. I wanted a chance to save her and watch her develop into a more mature fighter. It didn’t have to be much. There could’ve had a scene where if you save her, she may get lost and be gone for the rest of the game. But a season or two later, Clem could find her with a new group, stronger than ever (maybe save Clem in a surprise save from some zombies) and Sarah could say thanks for not giving up on her.
They did same thing to Ben where you think he'd make a great character who has made mistakes and has room for character development, but instead that's been thrown out the window
Yeah, I remember thinking about how the way you can stand up for her, teach her, etc should have made some sort of difference in whether or not she survived. Like I understand, the 11 or so days season 2 takes place over isn’t enough for Sarah to do a complete 180 and go from a teenager who acts younger than Clem and is extremely codependent on her father to a fully capable survivor, but goddamn. It would’ve been vindicating and painfully tragic in a way to have the proof in our hands that Sarah could have been a capable survivor (by succeeding in the areas Clem helped her in) if Carlos hadn’t stunted her development, even if she did die in the end because of the immense trauma of watching her father die right in front of her. If they ever decide to remake the series in the future, it’d be nice to have some actual player choices that matter and give us the ability to help Sarah survive.
The game trying to gaslight us into believing Kenny was some kind of unreliable madman when that sorry ass group got ALL of Kenny's new friends killed (Nick killing one of them) was the most frustrating thing about the game for me. If anything, I'm glad choosing Kenny was the "good" ending.
@@superiornicholas412 Kenny was a madman before he lost his family. He had it rough, but so did nearly everyone else. Kenny is still responsible for how he handles situations, and he handles things based almost purely on emotions rather than logic like a Lee or a Luke would. Kenny is a good guy, but he is emotionally unstable and just because he went through a lot of shit does not excuse all of his questionable actions
Naw Kenny was definitely tripping qt various points. He deserves sympathy and gets probably alot less fairness than he but we can't act like this dude wasn't beating up a small Russian kid at will because he was mad. Keep in mind tbh if the situation of being robbed was vice versa the group likely woulda rolled on arvo's the same way.
@@tcwentertainment I would agree with this, but Arvo robs you no matter what you do and almost got his friends killed. He fully deserved the ass whooping from kenny.
i think my least favourite thing about it is how they so easily kill off the characters. NOBODY is alive from that season apart from clem and AJ, i really believe sarah or luke should've survived. Would've been amazing to see Sarah develop into a survivor
@@wr4th155 well yea so they got rid of another character that's my point, but i think kenny dying or missing is perfectly fine. I just think another character shouldve lived and it would've made season 3 better even though i do genuinely love season 3. It would've been better to have another character from season 2. I think Sarah would've been perfect, wouldve been cool to see her growth then maybe sacrifice herself near the end for javi or clem damn im yapping
@@FemboyKaiSaku wish Kenny could be with Clem in s3 and 4 without being determinant tbh he made the game what it was for me. not even really interested in the other seasons since he’s not in them
That's what's great about season 1 and 2 though. In 3 and 4 it feels like almost all the main cast survives, in the former seasons they really keep you wondering who's gonna go next cause no one is safe.
@@Extra47 no they dont keep me wondering, the deaths are very obvious and it gets to the point where when another death happens its not impactful anymore, because its like "oh great telltale just kill everyone" You know that if there's an opportunity for you to save someone, it doesn't matter because theyre gonna die later in the season either way. I think clementine being lonely was good, so i think its good that so many died but, at least one person shouldve lived, and i think that shouldve been sarah.
Not gonna lie, my biggest pet peeve in Season 2 is how most of the grown arse adults basically rely on this 11 year old to fix most of their problems, get mad at her when she messes up, but then whenever its time to make actually important decisions its always "She's just a girl." And I don't think there's ever a option to have Clem tell them to *pick a damn lane!*
Agree im like dude why the hell does Clem have to do everything. You all are in on the same boat, so start working together and actually do something worth a damn. OH Clem we need you to steal some Radio's or Clem help and save Sarah stupid life, shut down the Wind turbine, do this do that. Seriously what is up with the Adult this season, i know Clem is way more competent then both Ben and Sarah combined. But can these adults not see the bigger picture that they are overlying on Clem to much. An when shit hits the fan one way or the other they blame her like when Kenny's new girlfriend got bit even if i don't cut her hand Kenny is still an ass to me.
@@silentecho92able Alvin will get annoyed and bothered if Clementine doesn't do what he says Which is annoying because he's the most physically capable man in the group Dude is a giant tall guy who asked Clementine to search for food, shelter, and whatever Rebecca wanted/needed Hated that sh!t The wind turbine was crazy, something I always forget about. Genuinely insane that Telltale chose Clementine to fvcking fix a WIND TURBINE???? What the 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Reggie too, asking Clementine to pick up on Sarah's struggle to do basic arts craft gardening ✂️ Bonnie too, asking Clementine to sneak into a snack stand for clean water which, If you choose to do, will end up having Clementine trapped in with a walker while Bonnie freaks out and freezes. Mike saved her.
@@AMENAZZYYthat's why I never did what Bonnie told me. 😅 Man, fuck her. She's one of the worst characters in this game. And she's completely different from her 400 days dlc version.
I liked Mike and felt like his last decision was out of character and was just telltale trying to get rid of him due to not knowing what to do with him
@@Akain777 i just don’t understand why he was ready to defend him and kept saying he was just a kid but not care about the newborn and the 11 year old 🤣
"You are just like me. We are the same person." "I'm literally 11 years old, what the fuck is wrong with you." "I have a god complex thanks to the zombie apocalypse." - Carver and Clementine
Literally groaned when he said that bc we barely know this dude, watched him kill a guy over blueberries, and he has the audacity to say that to a literal 12 year old. If he said that after the we sacrificed Sarah or stole from Arlo then sure but he dies too early to be a significant boss.
Unironically would've been much better if he said that to Kenny before dying, it just makes a lot more sense (and would even foreshadow Kenny's downfall) But to be fair, before ep 4 and 5 (...and even 3 to an extent) it's almost like Telltale always wanted for Clem to be as ruthless as Carver by the end of the season, but development/writing hell happened and we got this mess instead
Kenny being literally traumatized back to back and losing people constantly and still absolutely carrying everyone but Clementine, and treated like a monster just because he’s reasonably tweaking at a time like this. Also the fact that Luke and Kenny weren’t the 2 choices by the end of Season 2 was such a missed opportunity nobody sane is picking to stick with Jane.
Yeah, apparently it was meant to be Luke and Kenny but Telltale killed him off because fans were getting kinda squicky and shipping Clem and Luke. Telltale firmly put the brakes on that shit.
@@jazerlewis309Yeah that's bullshit. There are weirdos out there, that's no excuse for shitty writing. They didn't use Luke because Telltale wanted a shock value death instead.
Pretty sure it was done on purpose. The group was wilding for treating Kenny like he some evil bastard or crash out mf(that he kinda is) and if you ultimately side with Kenny at the end you get some more depth for his character as well his him recognizing his flaws and short comings, shit was beautiful
hated rebecca even tho she ended up coming around. these GROWN adults getting pissy at a literal child but leaving said child to do everything was annoying.
I think him dying so quickly underwater is also so weird. Maybe icy water is different but like, he died within 2 seconds of being dumped into the lake. Like what? Does he have Tommy Vercetti lungs or something where you die from touching a ML of water?
You know your ass is sorry when A Little 11 Year Girl ends up carrying the whole group and is the voice of Reason. Did the writers watch South Park and Boondocks and said: Yeah let's try that!
Clementines age also makes their emotional dependency on her and her opinion of them extremely creepy. Season one, everyone saw Lee as a capable leader and an overall great guy so they valued his opinion an were hurt when they felt he wasn't supporting them. But Clementine is a child. Putting all your self confidence and emotional baggage on a child is just irresponsible and honestly, abusive. Berleezy was getting weird vibes from Luke because of his attachment to her and intense reaction when she did something he didn't agree with. It was so unsubtle to the point it came off as intentionally manipulative, like when you have dinner with Kenny instead of them. Constantly leaning on her to give her input on (or just soley make) choices made them seem clingy and unreliable. Everyone's dependence and attachment to Clem seems Parasitic and one-sided, so the final choice isn't who do I care about more, its who do I hate less. Clementine and AJ endings are the only endings I accept.
I guess this was the problem of making an 11 year old the POV character. They also offer her alcohol and cigarettes. There was one scene with Luke that felt unintentionally almost romantic/groom-y, which is a shame because I liked Luke as a character.
If he had just followed up with 'she may have got infected blood on her bite' then the problem is solved, as a doctor he's a educated and reasoned man, there's ways of making someone overly cautious and also rational.
This season would have been so much better if they just went with their original script. The season was supposed to be much darker and grittier than what we got. The characters from the 400 days DLC would have come back in episode 4 and met up with our group. The final showdown was also supposed to be between Luke and Kenny instead of being between Jane and Kenny. That could have actually been a tougher decision to make compared to the Kenny vs Jane ordeal. The only thing that I'm glad they changed was Kenny taking Carver's role and being the main antagonist of the story (although it would've been kinda cool ngl) and Clem dying from hypothermia at the end of the season. Also Troy was going to be more... seductive towards Clem and Rebecca in the original script so I'm glad they changed that😳.
With sarah I mostly blame telltales for writing her like an idiot along with carlos. I get they wanted to do the parallel thing but it has no pay off since both carlos and sarah die so its like womp womp!
Thats my biggest issue with the season. I hate how everyone dies and had no character arcs. Its a real waste, I think sarah could have grew and luke should have stayed alive. Jane didnt have to be a psycho and kenny is done dirty in season 3 ( which im kinda happy about). Its just a real waste of the characters
@@Akain777 Facts like I love telltale games but when it comes to how they write or handle certain characters they just fall apart for some reason it's crazy.
the worst thing about not seeing christa again is that season 2 could've been an inverse of the first where it's about a father-daughter like story about lee and clem. christa could've still suffered a miscarriage due to her grief of losing omid and she can still learn how to be a mother to clem as they both try to survive the post-apocalypse. i will never understand why telltale thought dropping her like that was a good idea
@@royolaniye6643 why? she is a young girl. if what you say is the case, then why even write in a time gap of 16 MONTHS and has still apparently not learned how to better survive the post-apocalypse with christa?
It goes to show that Clementine is Lee’s daughter. I know she had a mother and father, but she doesn't even really talk about them anymore after season 1 and only really brings up Lee whenever she talks about parental figures. She acts way too much like Lee, especially when she’s older, and like akain said, she’s basically Lee 2.0.
There's 6 things that Season 3 did right and Jane commiting rope neck was one of them even though it was absurd of the storyline. The other five are the rooftop scene, Lingard and Conrad being actual determinant characters, Javi falling off the jump after a speech, and Gabe's death.
Lots of people tend to hate on Season 3 because either Clementine isn’t the main character or not having enough screen time. Honestly season 2 always seemed the worst of all the seasons for me, a bunch of adults who are codependent on a child to do stuff. Kenny’s character is pretty much is ruined later in the game. He is fated to die unless you ditch him at Wellington. Christa is never brought back again.
With Christa, there is this huge plothole of the relationship between Clementine and Christa. After Omid's death, Clementine and Christa were with eachother surviving for 8 MONTHS! That's like as long as Clementine was with Lee. Yet there was no emotional connection at all within that time? I get Christa lost the baby, but what happened for them to be so disconnected with eachother. For surviving together for 8 months, Clem looked like she didn't give a crap about Christa. Why wasn't she concerned in looking for Christa after they separated? It's like after Omid's death, those 8 months never happened and they just wanted an excuse to update Clem's design. Was Christa mad at Clementine about Omid's death for THAT LONG?!
39:00 If I remember correctly, in S1, when you have to choose between helping Kenny get rid of Larry or helping Lily, if you side with Lily, Kenny will be angry and mostly against you for the rest of the game. And I think having such a personality shift from just one choice (or maybe 2) can really hurt the players' perspective about a character. That's why I think a lot of people are so mixed about Kenny in S1, simply because you can have a version where he is by your side and support you, or one where he is simply unlikeable in any way. Now I might be wrong or partially wrong, since I haven't played or watched any TWS1 content in a while
I didn't even realize that and that is very interesting. I never really liked Kenny (and was frankly confused by how popular he is in the fanbase), but I actually sided with Lily when I first played the game and yeah, ever since then I felt like Kenny had this hidden agenda or unspoken criticism for any choice I made. After a while I stopped considering him at all cause it seemed like he was just determined to dislike me
@@j.a.4315he was just an a$shole, he wants undying loyalty from Lee because he expects Lee to care about his family more than everyone else in the group. I get why people hated Kenny in season 2, understandable.
@@Gloss613 maybe to cope? I mean, without personal disrespect to you, but if you love this shit, you will consider any means to justify it being a shit, this way ot another
Everyone in this season is an asshole and the game constantly tries to guilt trip you over every desicion you make despite playing an 11 year old girl. The only good characters in this season were Alvin, Luke, Pete, Kenny and Carver was a cool villian I guess
Yeah Carver had some banger quotes. Thought this video made me think “This dudes kinda a goofball.”. I guess he’s better than the other telltale villains? (I haven’t played michonne or season 4)
I never accepted any one the dumbass adults’ apologies, but yeah, you’re pushed into forgiving all the backstabbing pieces of scum (Bonnie, Rebecca, Kenny, Nick)
Naw Alvin was stupid at times a couldn’t adapt to no one’s smart ideas Kenny is Kenny and although I find carver entertaining I don’t find him a good villain Only good characters is my eyes was Luke and pete
Wait, but its so weird that they thought that Carver would send a child after them, out of all the competent adults he would be able to pick from his group. They were tripping on that one.
I mean these are the same people who literally left their FRONT DOOR unlocked in the middle of an apocalypse so I wouldn’t put it past them to think that.
The writing in this season was all over the place. They wrote Pete, who was a decent character, realized he was too rational and responsible and killed him off. Then were left with these other dumbasses until Kenny and his new group returned. They realized his group may have been too likable and rational and killed everyone except Kenny off, once again leaving us with these other dumbasses + Kenny, who also sucks but is marginally better + the remaining dumbasses from Carver’s group. And things just keep nosediving from there until the other only rational members of the remaining groups (Jane, maybe Mike?, maaaybe Luke) start making ass decisions, too. I just want to know what the writers were thinking and how they wanted anyone to take these unrealistic characters seriously.
Imo, Bonnie and Arvo are the worst characters. Bonnie because she’s two-faced and wishy-washy and tries so hard to seek approval from a 12 year old for some reason yet will betray her at the drop of a hat, and Arvo because the only remaining rational characters in the season lose brain cells whenever he’s involved. Like, He’s barely even a character, but he makes everyone except Kenny dumber for just existing in proximity of him. Everyone else except Kenny can be packed up in the “Useless, dumb, and/or complainy character” category, while Kenny gets his own category of “Writers go out of their way to try to vilify him but then for some reason absolve him at the end of the season or at the beginning of season 3 depending on your choices.”
Damn I miss the good ol' days of early Telltale games of Wallace and Gromit, Back to the Future and Tale of Monkey Island with with their fun and witty dialogue before it was all *"Depression this! Betrayal that!"*
@@jaredwalker3960 Season 1 of TWD was good though. Like the characters did get all Depression This, Betrayal That, but at least their descent into becoming unlikable felt realistic. Anyone would start going insane if placed in their situations. It’s just the seasons after where it’s like.. “well these characters have already been through everything so you get them at their worst and they don’t become better at any point.”
This season's only pros are that you get to see Clementine "grow up," albeit forcably due to the circumstances of the apocalypse, and playing the game through her perspective. In terms of the rest of the characters, a lot of them have been drinking that stupid juice, maybe aside from Pete, but he still sippin' when no one's lookin. The compound area you're imprisoned at was just a discount Governor plot from Rick Grimes' story, and I felt like it was back then, and still now. Sorry I was late big bro, work got me tired.
I actually liked this season till the 4th and 5th chapters, but the deaths later in the season were so weird and out of nowhere I just couldn't believe it. Luke was being built to be a major character and his death was so stupid I actually thought it was a fake out and he would just show up again later.
The Video is spot on- but Arvin, Rebecca, and Calvin didn't have a triangle. It's heavily implied Rebecca was sexually assaulted by Calvin- which is part of the reason why Calvin has a creepy obsession with her and the child.
@@mysteriousdestiny6672It was hinted that they were married. Even the official wiki says it, this is further implied when Alvin mentions that he and Reb went skiing once.
@@mysteriousdestiny6672 tbh I'd assumed she got with him for preferential treatment and regretted it but maybe if I rewatch I'd see the SA implications
Ngl, I do not know how Telltale wrote these characters. Read how they were written and told themselves "yeah, this is something real people would do and say." It was already hard enough being nice to Kenny because Clem would have no idea that he left her to be kidnapped in my playthrough for choosing not to be an absolute hog rider. It's not like I liked any of them in the first place, but oh my GOD! It was a chore hearing how these people behave towards a child. That's even with you just giving up bits and pieces.
Tbf. If you actually do have Kenny’s back through the entire first season. Kenny quite literally goes, “Lee, you were always there for me when I needed you most. What kind of friend would I be if I wasn’t there for you in your time of need?” Like literally basically word for word this is what he says. So while I can see why you hate him… I also can’t you know? Because in all honesty, Kenny is (in my opinion) one of the best characters because he has your back if you have his. No matter what. Literally. Not only that may, but another reason people like him so much is probably because he’s the closest you can get to an ordinary person like you or I reacting to the zombie outbreak. Trying to protect his family, losing them both, etc etc. Anyways. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk. Keep up the amazing work! You for sure have a new sub.
Personally, I’d rather have a ride or die that can communicate and negotiate ideas effectively instead of “go with my gut and punish you if you don’t have my back” People can have your back but still accept and work together to solve problems instead of bully others into submission. Alsoooo lowkey Kenny racist ass definitely beat Katja and/or Duck, y’all see how quick she called it quits as soon as Duck died? RIP the only ogs besides Clem and Lee. Honestly would have gone for a season 1 alternate ending where Clem and Lee, Katja and Duck get to Savannah steal a boat and survive.
This is why I ultimately side with Kenny in the Kenny v Lily debate for half of the season. Lily is more sensible but she really is only out for herself, and Kenny has bad ideas but is ride or die for you if you appeal to him. Lily is who I’d prefer as a leader, while Kenny is the guy I would rather be friends with. But I’m also one of the freaks who helped him smash Larry’s head in the locker, so it’s not like I’ve been faced with the brunt of his anger before. I also am a bit softer on him when he gets pissy with Lee, because most of the time when he throws a fit, he is on the constant edge of a mental breakdown. Him prior to losing Katjaa and Duck? Yeah that’s not cool and fuck him for that. Afterwards? I’m not even mad, I just feel sorry for him.
Once Kenny locks in as your BFF there is almost nothing you can do (save for burning orphans and widows alive) that he’ll object to. “I killed someone.” “Shit 😑. Well I got a shovel in the trunk. We better get diggin’, I guess.”
The biggest issue with this season was not justifying why Clem was used over actual adults so much. The only time it was SLIGHTLY justifiable is when they were trapped in carvers
I remember once watching a video (it's called we don't about kenny by innudeduo studios) there's a line that I still remember and it's him saying kenny is clementines abusive stepfather and it has stuck with me. It kinda makes sense to me when you see how he acts towards her. Something else of noticed is that he always says clems right no matter if you choose to go with him or stay with him.
Yeah that last parts always been interesting to me. The only exception is when Sarita dies, he blames Clem no matter what. Except for that, hes ALWAYS on her side. She can change his mind immediately - even Lee was incapable of that. Hell, when Clementine SHOOTS HIM and KILLS HIM he says she did the *right thing.* Which, well, she did - hes crazy and dangerous but like damn.. Love him or hate him, Kenny is most definitely *interesting.*
@@Akain777 nah fam, this group got Kenny’s ppl killed, got his eye knocked out, his gf bit, & then proceeded to treat him like HE was the loose cannon. Nahh fam, Kenny was all the way justified
A lot of stuff was cut. The devs didn't know what they wanted with each new character and how they would mold clementine's story considering they founded their golden goose with S1. You'll notice that once Kenny reappears, the S2 cast fades into the background and hardly get any original dialogue - other than them badmouthing Kenny 24/7 and by the time they escape Carver's, most of the S2 cast just keel over and die lol. Don't even get me started on Episode 4, one of *if not the WORST* Telltale episodes of their games in terms of storytelling and character development, and that shitty cliffhanger lmao.
Rooftop scene in Episode 5 of Season 3, Javi falling off a small jump after a whole ass speech and "You kept your promise to your father." Made From The Gallows better ngl
It's a shame how hard Season 2 fumbled the writing. They introduced so much pointless conflicts between the group for the sake of drama to the point that it just made them look incompetent
I won't lie, I'll snitch on myself like a former rap star, I only did that *once* because I was eating some Curry Chicken & White Rice and I did *not* want to pause the video. Plus, I can't trust anybody else in my house to wash the damn dishes. It's not a personal bias, I just get *visibly unnerved* whenever they miss a stain on one of the meat pots.
My problem with this game is is that Kenny is supposed to represent an abusive stepfather to Clementine. The problem is he’s barely abusive at all. He’s toxic at most. Episodes 4&5 Kenny is supposed to be the “Villain” but he’s more like an anti hero. Hell some people see him as a straight up hero like Lee despite being Toxic and unstable, many people still prefer him over Jane even if he is an asshole. And I honestly prefer Kenny over Jane also. I would rather be with someone who is slightly abusive that would sacrifice his life for me, that I know and trust, rather than some Manipulative Loner Woman who I’ve only known for three days who hides a baby in a car just approve a point, and who ends up killing herself and abandoning me and a baby.
It's pretty funny how insanely different Kenny is for people playing the first season. I remember watching someone play through the game, and Kenny was the fuckin man, he even, at the time presumably, sacrifices himself to save Lee. And then in this video, I hear about how Kenny just straight up ditches Lee because of like one disagreement
Kenny's biggest character flaw is his unwavering need for undying loyalty. It's something they could have built upon, having him go from a stubborn and rather dependent asshole to someone who's more open, accepting, and understanding of disagreements. If you don't agree with Kenny every step of the way or play too much of a middle man, he will straight up leave your ass to die without thinking twice about it. I remember in the drug store when the door falls on Lee, he literally will not help you depending on how you've played. It's quite ridiculous and a severe overreaction to what I believe stems from the player choosing to help Larry. I mean, he is less angry about you not saving his kid than he is about you trying to save Larry. It's crazy. I would've loved it if, by the end of the game, when you asked Kenny for help, even if you disagreed with Kenny about everything, he says something like "We may not agree much, but I know what that girl means to you and I know what it meant when I lost my boy." I can't believe the only other guy in the group who had a kid was willing to abandon Clem over ill will towards Lee. But in season 2, he never even contemplates this fact or apologizes to Clem.
@@TheSilentCheetah Yeah I agree, I think the focus from the devs was really trying to make playthroughs different, and a focal point seemed to be Kenny. Trying to show a different relationship between you and him based on your actions. And as much as I love the first season of TWD, they did kind of missed the mark with disagreeing with Kenny
4:38 in case you planning to continue this season talk through, I'd like to remind that Clementine mentioned Christa's baby by referring these words 'not again not again' before Kenny and Jane fight in the last episode
The biggest issue with this season, besides interesting characters/plot points being sacrificed for shock value, is the fact that the writers completely forgot Clementine is a child. It makes sense for the player character in season 1, Lee, to make the big decisions and do dangerous stuff for the group, because he's an adult (& also the goat ofc). When Clementine had to take up that role, the creators just assumed they could write the story the same way. But the fact that Clem is 11 changes everything! Why are the adults constantly threatening her, putting all these burdens on her shoulders, and blaming her for everything?? It makes the plot so needlessly contrived, and almost every side character unlikeable! And I know this wasn't intentional on the writer's part because they try to guilt trip you for every "mistake" Clem makes, when really, the fault is on the adult characters of the story who made the little girl do everything for them. It's not tragic, it just feels nonsensical!
fax, it just ain't da same. Lee was a grown adult, story wise havin Clem be a yung trooper G helped raise a generation so there's something positive i suppose. season 3 felt good in that aspect where clem looked more believable to run things somewhat. telltale goated ofc still
YES, you explained perfectly why people love Kenny, and it's mostly because of this season! S2 puts Clem in a lose-lose & gloomy situation, and most of the time, the nostalgia factor of seeing Kenny again is what gets people to trust him far faster than the new characters that wanted to put Clem in a shed. Players forget about a lot of Kenny's flaws & almost blindly support him when his behavior isn't conducive to smart survival at all- he makes enemies too easily by constantly flying off the handle, & when he makes decisions without anyone else's input he expects you to support him 100% of the time. I don't hate the S2 cast as much as you do, and I definitely would pick Luke over Kenny if that were the final decision of the game, but it's easy to see how the game makes you cling onto Kenny as if we were thrust right back into Lee's shoes in S1 (even tho Kenny didn't care much for Clem at all).
In my honest opinion, Kenny was justified, but needed to be held accountable for his anger and actions. He needed to chill, but he was a good man in a bad situation
49:20 If I recall correctly, the ONLY time Clementine and Kenny speak to eachother in season 1 is in episode 3 when Clem tells Kenny that Duck isn’t doing well and Kenny tells her “Get on the train”
Everyone was depending on Clementine so much even she, Luke, and Mike noticed 💀 (in episode 3 when everyone looks at Clem, she has the decision to say "why is it always me." And Luke looked flabbergasted.
Yeah the season would have been a lot better if we got more time and development with a lot of the characters. Its really strange to have everyone die before they can really do anything. Im starting to thing these seasons would have benefited from more episodes.
For me top characters goes Clementine Kenny Lee Aj Lily Kenny just barely beats lee and aj is underrated when it comes to writing he has great depth and complexity
@@jaydenbeasty yh he does seem to hate him although he isn't wrong on kenny being unstable it doesn't make him a bad character he still is very well written
This whole group was nothing but a buncha F tier gaslighters, and I watched them die with so much glee. Always getting people into trouble and trying to blame others for something THEY caused. Always on Kenny's ass, calling him volatile like he didn't just suffer the most in the span of 2 days. Loses his base, loses his friend, loses his eye, loses his girl, and then gets ambushed by someone you spare and constantly getting poked and reprimanded about nothing.
I do find it disapointed that Rebecca and luke didnt even enjoy their freedom like everyone in that group freaking died. Man i kinda want some group to rewrite the entirety of season 2
Bruh this game had me pissed cuz Jane was easily the best character in this game and then the writers did the biggest character assassination I've ever seen, seriously whoever wrote that ending retire from writing forever lol
Season 2 suffered from so many cuts and script changes, that it somewhat shows. Why did they replace Eddie with Arvo? Why did they cut Christa out of the story? Still my favorite though.
I really did hate how you were forced into sticking with this crappy bunch of people. Carlos was straight up trying to kill us with neglect, Rebecca was overly cutthroat until the plot just called for her to be a normal person, and no one would give any explanation for why Carver was a bad person and why they were running from him. "Because we had to" was such a frustrating line when i already barely care about this band of idiots and jerks
This is a deltarune kinda thing, your choices won't affect the outcome but will affect the reason the outcome happened. Kenny can be a fake piece of shit in his scenes and not help you or be the opposite depending on how you interact with him, even if the outcome will always be the same. The game isn't about the destination, it's the journey.
To be fair, if your choices actually mattered, the game would only have one season, because otherwise they'd have to make multiple sequels for every different path It's like how Detroid Become Human has so many branching paths and endings, but it's a standalone game because of that In Telltale games, your choices don't change the story, your choices change HOW you go through the established story
The Environment Aspect, Character development of Clem and Kenny is the most remarkable thing of this season. That being said, the plot and other characters felt rushed, unnecessary deaths and forced decisions for the player hurt this season. Overall, Season 2 had the most potential and it wasn’t fully utilized.
Off-topic-ish but how do you feel about Kenny glazers that actually know more than just clazing and understand Kenny's ups and downs as someone who deep down is a good person but keeps lashing out due to his emotions?
1:08:30 When a villain says "we're the same" (assuming the writing is good), it doesn't necessarily mean they are correct-- rather, the villain is saying "I see myself in you," which reveals something about their own character. Carver sees some part of himself in Clem, which is causing him to act differently toward her. Whether or not they are actually the same is less relevant. While this device can also be used to juxtapose characters who *do* have similar traits but have chosen different paths, I don't think that's what's being done here. All that said, the line is also a cliche, and there are better ways to accomplish this type of connection in fiction.
Majority of the characters in this season serve zero purpose and die out of nowhere. But before they die they nag and whine endlessly. Season 3 isn’t much better. I think 1 and 4 are the only good seasons. But from what I remember season 3 has focus. That being Javi and his family. Its still terrible cuz everyone sucks except Javi, but i prefer that over this
@@Akain777True. Season 3 was legit blue waffles half the time but the bad writing wasn't half as annoying as this game. Plus the fact that S3 has some more choice variety, like the guy with 3 different possible deaths who can survive the story, which is pretty good for Telltale standards. Now compare that to S2 where they were too lazy to make different responses for what you say, so every character says the same half baked shit even if you stay silent.
Naaaah. Season 2 was definitely worse. The only remotely competent adult gets killed off in like the first episode and then the rest of the season is spent with the cast relying on a little girl to do literally everything for them, including hand-holding them, risking her life for them, giving them emotional support instead of the other way around, and that alone constitutes horrible and unrealistic writing. At least the writing in Season 3 was a little more realistic even though everyone in that cast sucked, too, but they sucked in a different way.
Season 3 was MUCH better, the characters were competent, the story was actually okay. The budget was insane, it felt cinematic. The only problem was Clementine wasn't playable as much.
I went into this video with pure intention to hate because I remembered playing season 2 and actually liking it… My whole world got ROCKED when you made so many points that I either overlooked or ignored mentally. Not only did you make me realize how SORRY s2 was but I was laughing legit so damn loud at every joke that was unleashed into my ear canal. thank you, have a blessed day.
THANK GOD the kenny bandwagon is dying. i never understood his process of thinking, emotionally or mentally. his “ethics” or whatever type of “code” tht he we trying to convey with his friendship wit lee is SOOO one sided. the fact tht kenny felt like all HE had to do was hold his weight and thts it was beyond me. literally at the very beginning we literally chose to save his brain dead son from the walkers instead of hershel’s, then we have to save his son again when larry wants to throw him out at the drug store.. then a few scenes later when walkers raid the store kenny basically leaves us there to die after we helped EVERYONE else get out..
Why didn't clem just get washed up in the men's bathroom with Christa? There's obviously stalls in both, omid getting shot outside while they're both in the bathroom together makes more sense writing wise but they just forced Christa being mad at Clem and then wrote her out of the story
It’s implied by Christa’s expression going into the men’s room with Omid that they plan on doing a little bit more then ‘wash up,’ that’s why Omid hastily tells Clementine to go in alone and rushes in after her.
@jaredday7656 bruh if an apocalypse happens anyone focused on sexy time over trying to not get shot/eaten has the wrong priorities especially if you're walking with a kid.
@ I definitely agree with that. It’s just mostly me speculating but I feel like her expression (literally going 😏 at Omid before walking in), and Omid’s demeanor after that is a pretty big indicator that’s what was occurring. But then again, I could definitely be wrong lol
@jaredday7656 i need to replay this season now with that in mind, the idea of them leaving a child in a land of people who eat people, alive or dead, makes me dislike them both much more then just thinkin they were kinda needy for being new characters
@@MrVaultInfinity I completely agree with you that the trope of characters having s3x in the zombie apocalypse is dumb af. Not only because it’s a messed-up priority, but because it’s actively dangerous. It is stated in the game that the characters “wash up”, but they can’t be *properly* clean, and haven’t been for a long time. And I don’t even mean that in an “ew gross” way, I mean that it’s actually incredibly easy for a woman - especially a pregnant woman - to get a nasty infection from her partner having unclean “equipment”. Omid and Christa were literally risking her life and the life of their unborn child every time they “did it”.
It's worth noting that the original team behind season 1 was more or less pushed out by the studio who forced changes and rewrites. I don't know why Telltale wouldn't just trust the team that made their most successful game to do their thing again but it really shows with the drop in quality. One thing I wish they had kept was a scene where Clementine's group was supposed to fight a tiger. Instead they had us fight a raccoon and lose 😭
This season has its ups and downs. The supporting cast is terrible while the setting, stakes, and villain especially are phenomenal. Carver does NOT get talked about enough in the best villain in fiction talk, he is clearly up there to me. I don't like the overdependence of clem in this season and how kost of the adults make childish decisions. I hate the amount of betrayal in this season but at the end of the day thats good writing to me, it makes me have strong emotions and opinions (which is the point of the game). The return of Kenny was one of the most hype moments in the game and I liked the environment for the most part. My favorite thing however was the pacing. The episodes didn't feel mind bogglingly long and felt like it was just the right amount of length to tell the story well.
Rebecca's characterization in All That Remains was a genuine WTF move. She's effectively the main antagonist of that episode, and yet in the next episode she's suddenly all buddy-buddy with Clem and we're supposed to forget that she's a vile piece of shit who's willing to let children suffer and die on the mere assumption that they might not have good intentions.
You know what's the shittiest things about "choices" in these games, they don't matter, they'are just "unlock hidden dialogue" they still al die, why even bother to try to save them, if they will die anyway? Sarah it's the biggest flaw for me in this thing, like fuck you make her realize "girl i know your dad died, but he wouldn't want you to die, so get up your ass and survive for his name" and then 5 minutes she still dies because "an accident", i was that time like "really n....?"
It's been over a decade and I'm still angry thinking about Omid and Christa. Such a writing cop-out. I still liked the game a decade ago, and I understand Telltale were working under the constraints of budgets and reality. However, as I've aged and revisited the story, the contrivances have started to stick out for me.
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I'm so glad to be free from this video you have no idea.
Pleaaase tell me ur music comes with the Clementine adlibs
Huh ha ha ha haaaaaa
Bro I be living for that eboy laugh you do at the start. Makes me wanna replay season 2 and enjoy it cause I'm built different
@Akain777 in the beginning with the fire, there is a log you can burn saving both picture butttt later when you get your bag back neither picture are still there :)
Can u do Batman the telltale series
I hated this sorry ass season 2 group. They came to Kennys house, got his friends and new gf killed, & then tried treating him like HE was the loose cannon of the group
fr like they KNOW Carver was on their asses but they still decided to stop and get comfortable at Kenny's house. Kenny might be insufferable sometimes but they're just braindead
It would’ve made wayy more sense if they set up an ambush or something.
They know they’re being followed and clem saw them at the bottom of the hill, but they pretended everything was cool. Never seen a bigger fumble
@Akain777 exactly! They had the guns to do so and they were outnumbered but the only reason they had the upper hand is because our group got too damn comfortable, you wouldn't do that in a real zombie apocalypse
Mark, Duck & Carley would never!
he was literally a loose cannon though
I love this season hands down but I found it really annoying how all these GROWN adults this season were so dependent on Clementine throughout this season and kept blaming her for things that were completely out of her control.
I get the devs needed to give the player things to do. But making everyone else useless was not the best move
Everyone was dumb and a bunch of Ben’s in this season
*Cough*
Sarita's death
*Cough*
The Luke on a lake incident
*Cough*
Arvo
@@arcanefury3666i don’t get why they had to kill off Luke. He was a great character with only 1 flaw, they made him depend on Clem. But overall he actually was a pretty cool man.
probably annoying because it reminds yall of yourselves and the actual world. Imagine a world where you lose most of your usual temporary pleasures and coping mechanisms. Even now yall aren't any different and in a zombie apocalypse most definitely wouldnt be but truth makes complaints worthless since they're just meant for us to be heard and feel special
Kenny and Clem carried this season on their fucking backs
They was like 2018 bron they had zero help (luke was cool too)
@@seanbaby1060 yeah Luke coulda been cool. If he didn't die like an absolute bitch
@@seanbaby1060 another person that was cool was Pete. But i feel Telltale killing him off to early was a mistake as he would have come off as a sort of light version of Lee. A maybe have him die during the end of episode 2 during carvers attack at the lodge.
Or have him live until the end of ep 3 or start of ep 4. Where he sacrifices himself to save Clem and draw the horde to his position.
@@silentecho92able agreed Pete was a good character they wasted him, it would have been more impactful if they killed him off towards the end of the season
@@seanbaby1060 Basically the Hershel of the group. He could have acted as second in command. Or the advisor of the camp, and be the pillar of the group.
It would make more sense in ep 4, Kenny confides in him considering they are both of the same age as they both lost family and friends and develop a friendship. Jane still leaves the group at the end of ep 4 never to come back at all. Frustrating Luke, as her reasons is this group is falling apart and does not wanna be in it when it does.
Making Luke angry at Kenny all the way, an during the lake crossing instead of Luke dying it would be Pete. Which would push Kenny overboard losing another friend he made. An Luke developing more anger towards Kenny and make him start thinking irrationally moving forward.
i’ll never forgive them for tossing christa and omid in the trash
literally
And they were going to give Lilly’s returned to Christa, but they said that they didn’t think that would be in character for Christa, but they could’ve figured out some other way to bring her back in season four
@JackAttackWseriously?! I can totally see Christa ‘going bad’ after all she went through: losing her husband, friends and her unborn child to the plague that essentially ended the world? Hell we saw it with Negan in the tv show! The only thing that would need changing is the “kidnapping kids for soldiers” bit that Lilly was doing, given how she was with Clem (and even putting her child aside for a moment) I honestly doubt Christa would have done that.
Leaving her as “missing” at the end of the Final Season still annoys me 😤😤😤
@ Christa just doesn’t seem like the type
I think their original plan was for aj to be christa's son but they needed to introduce a bunch of new characters for plot reasons and didn't know how without tossing christa and omid aside so they got rid of them
jane saw a man who was one step away from crashing out and decided to drop kick his ass to that point 😭 like how do you leave an infant alone in a blizzard in a zombie apocalypse to prove a point??
also unrelated but sarah coulda had soooo much potential if they didn’t kill her off after carlos died
I SEE NO LIES HERE. Jane is the hardass survivalist but anything could have happened to AJ in that car. Someone could’ve snatched him, zombie could’ve heard him crying, or literally anything (especially when siding with Jane is like useless lowkey) 💀💀 Plus everything you do to train Sarah or motivate her just doesn’t work. It’s such a waste of potential. As a writer myself this was an insane fumble.
@@CosmiccNova like clem and sarah raising aj together?? sarah stepping up and learning how to survive and protect herself and others?? that would’ve been so fuckin cool to see in s4
I also thought it was out of character for her, I was like "Why not leave then ? Its fine" That and how she offs herself and leaving clem ? It feels off coming from her ngl
@@SiIker.it’s so clear and unfortunate that they need the next games to start at a similair point for all players meaning they have to get rid of Jane and Kenny one way or another
Carlos pissed me off the most because he treated Clemtime the most like a stupid kid. Like dude shes not your anxiety ridden daughter, she is carrying your ass!!!
I’m sorry bro
Ikr , Carlos even calls her a "kid" , like This "kid'' was able to kick down a locked door with 2 kicks , able to stitch herself up , etc
She's literally more useful than Carlos has ever been
@@c4r10s2Got a good chuckle out of me. 8/10
And Sarah pretty much died because of how he raised her
Carlos is probably my most hated character in this season. More than Rebecca actually.
@@Stillhandling2792did not expect you to be here
We gotta talk about Bonnie more, because how tf is she going to basically get Luke killed (during when they were walking on the frozen lake) after it was obvious that where he was couldn’t withstand multiple people…. and then have the AUDACITY to blame Clementine for not saving him when he falls in??? and notice how as soon as Kenny got the truck working, she’s already planning on leaving. 💀
I hate Bonnie so much! I'm glad that she can die with Luke.
Bonnie pissed me of she always sticked up with that 4 eyes prick
@@starlaixystar
The intensity of your comment and the fact that everyone unanimously agrees got me cracking the hell up. It’s 8AM dude, I can’t do this. 😂
@@starlaixystarshe doesn’t die
@@BarbecueBaconBurger0she does if you choose to defend luke instead of helping him and when Luke and Bonnie goes in the water, then when you see Luke banging the frozen lake and you get the option to break it if you don’t choose anything or don’t do anything then they both die in there but Clem comes out fine and isn’t freezing to death
HOW THE HELL was Carlos a doctor but couldn't tell a dog bite from an undead human bite? And said to wait to see if Clementine doesn't get a fever even tho that would have happened anyway due to the infection.
Yeah, surely a dog bite is nowhere near the same dimensions or shape of a humanoid lol
Carlos sleeping through medical school
@@yazidefirenze Carlos definitely used ChatGPT in med school
There’s a theory that he only joined the group by lying that he’s a doctor
@@dantdmfangamingrich9802I feel like it literally just comes down to bad writing, but that theory does sound interesting tbf.
I hate how quickly Omid and Christa just die right at the start, like it barely leaves enough room for old players to deal with Lee's death, and doesn't allow enough emotional attachment to new players, even then in Season 1, we never saw much of a relationship between Clem and them
Alien 3 style
To be fair we still don’t know what happened with Christa if they make another game she may pop up 🤷♀️
@@AliceSoli-w6n Bro, she's cooked. Stop with that. You literally heard punching sound effects, her screaming, then a gunshot. Season 4 is the end of the series and they brought back Lily instead of her. She's dead.
@@Kingdom850 We know telltale all too well at this point. I dont want a season 5 to happen but if it does they’ll definitely bring her back. Despite the fact that she couldnt have survived.
Telltale knows no bounds😂😂
@@Akain777 Telltale lost the rights to TWD after they got cooked with bankruptcy so they actually can't make more seasons. The telltale we got now is basically just a whole different company with the same name since most of the devs left. Skybound has the rights now and they already decided to mess up the story with that horrible Clementine comic book series.
I dont think Kenny is as mad as he should be at the group. They came killed his friend, got got another one killed, got him and his new girlfriend kidnapped all in the same day.
that's what i be sayin, it's what ppl gotta think about in these situations
Sarah was my biggest disappointment with this season, the potential for her to develop and become a competent survivor was completely wasted. You even teach her how to aim a gun which doesn't make a single difference later on in the story, and then she gets killed because telltale said so.
I know this sounds bad, but Sarah reminded me a lot about myself. Introverted, sheltered, full of anxiety with no true view of the real world. I wanted a chance to save her and watch her develop into a more mature fighter.
It didn’t have to be much. There could’ve had a scene where if you save her, she may get lost and be gone for the rest of the game. But a season or two later, Clem could find her with a new group, stronger than ever (maybe save Clem in a surprise save from some zombies) and Sarah could say thanks for not giving up on her.
They did same thing to Ben where you think he'd make a great character who has made mistakes and has room for character development, but instead that's been thrown out the window
Yeah, I remember thinking about how the way you can stand up for her, teach her, etc should have made some sort of difference in whether or not she survived.
Like I understand, the 11 or so days season 2 takes place over isn’t enough for Sarah to do a complete 180 and go from a teenager who acts younger than Clem and is extremely codependent on her father to a fully capable survivor, but goddamn.
It would’ve been vindicating and painfully tragic in a way to have the proof in our hands that Sarah could have been a capable survivor (by succeeding in the areas Clem helped her in) if Carlos hadn’t stunted her development, even if she did die in the end because of the immense trauma of watching her father die right in front of her.
If they ever decide to remake the series in the future, it’d be nice to have some actual player choices that matter and give us the ability to help Sarah survive.
@@jennieifanis8917sarah was set up for failure. sometimes people die!
a really bad decision to kill her and continue her story the way they did
The game trying to gaslight us into believing Kenny was some kind of unreliable madman when that sorry ass group got ALL of Kenny's new friends killed (Nick killing one of them) was the most frustrating thing about the game for me. If anything, I'm glad choosing Kenny was the "good" ending.
I mean Kenny is definitely kind of a madman. Even in season 1. We just have more sympathy for him cause he's an og
@@tmm4195 I mean he lost his wife and child mid way through the season so can you really blame him?
@@superiornicholas412 Kenny was a madman before he lost his family. He had it rough, but so did nearly everyone else. Kenny is still responsible for how he handles situations, and he handles things based almost purely on emotions rather than logic like a Lee or a Luke would. Kenny is a good guy, but he is emotionally unstable and just because he went through a lot of shit does not excuse all of his questionable actions
Naw Kenny was definitely tripping qt various points. He deserves sympathy and gets probably alot less fairness than he but we can't act like this dude wasn't beating up a small Russian kid at will because he was mad. Keep in mind tbh if the situation of being robbed was vice versa the group likely woulda rolled on arvo's the same way.
@@tcwentertainment I would agree with this, but Arvo robs you no matter what you do and almost got his friends killed. He fully deserved the ass whooping from kenny.
11:54 I genuinely believe the theory the Carlos isn't a doctor and was just lying to the group to stay with them.
New headcanon just dropped
headcanons and theories can't save bad writing.
i think my least favourite thing about it is how they so easily kill off the characters. NOBODY is alive from that season apart from clem and AJ, i really believe sarah or luke should've survived. Would've been amazing to see Sarah develop into a survivor
Kenny can survive if you stay at Wellington but you won’t see him again
@@wr4th155 well yea so they got rid of another character that's my point, but i think kenny dying or missing is perfectly fine. I just think another character shouldve lived and it would've made season 3 better even though i do genuinely love season 3. It would've been better to have another character from season 2. I think Sarah would've been perfect, wouldve been cool to see her growth then maybe sacrifice herself near the end for javi or clem damn im yapping
@@FemboyKaiSaku wish Kenny could be with Clem in s3 and 4 without being determinant tbh he made the game what it was for me. not even really interested in the other seasons since he’s not in them
That's what's great about season 1 and 2 though. In 3 and 4 it feels like almost all the main cast survives, in the former seasons they really keep you wondering who's gonna go next cause no one is safe.
@@Extra47 no they dont keep me wondering, the deaths are very obvious and it gets to the point where when another death happens its not impactful anymore, because its like "oh great telltale just kill everyone"
You know that if there's an opportunity for you to save someone, it doesn't matter because theyre gonna die later in the season either way.
I think clementine being lonely was good, so i think its good that so many died but, at least one person shouldve lived, and i think that shouldve been sarah.
Not gonna lie, my biggest pet peeve in Season 2 is how most of the grown arse adults basically rely on this 11 year old to fix most of their problems, get mad at her when she messes up, but then whenever its time to make actually important decisions its always "She's just a girl." And I don't think there's ever a option to have Clem tell them to *pick a damn lane!*
Agree im like dude why the hell does Clem have to do everything. You all are in on the same boat, so start working together and actually do something worth a damn.
OH Clem we need you to steal some Radio's or Clem help and save Sarah stupid life, shut down the Wind turbine, do this do that. Seriously what is up with the Adult this season, i know Clem is way more competent then both Ben and Sarah combined. But can these adults not see the bigger picture that they are overlying on Clem to much.
An when shit hits the fan one way or the other they blame her like when Kenny's new girlfriend got bit even if i don't cut her hand Kenny is still an ass to me.
Crazy part is she barely messed up in season 2
@@silentecho92able
Alvin will get annoyed and bothered if Clementine doesn't do what he says
Which is annoying because he's the most physically capable man in the group
Dude is a giant tall guy who asked Clementine to search for food, shelter, and whatever Rebecca wanted/needed
Hated that sh!t
The wind turbine was crazy, something I always forget about. Genuinely insane that Telltale chose Clementine to fvcking fix a WIND TURBINE???? What the 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Reggie too, asking Clementine to pick up on Sarah's struggle to do basic arts craft gardening ✂️
Bonnie too, asking Clementine to sneak into a snack stand for clean water which, If you choose to do, will end up having Clementine trapped in with a walker while Bonnie freaks out and freezes. Mike saved her.
Welcome to real life
@@AMENAZZYYthat's why I never did what Bonnie told me. 😅 Man, fuck her. She's one of the worst characters in this game. And she's completely different from her 400 days dlc version.
mike arvo and bonnie probably piss me off more than anyone this season
49:50 akain agrees with meeee
I liked Mike and felt like his last decision was out of character and was just telltale trying to get rid of him due to not knowing what to do with him
Man I found it so strange that mike was on Arvo’s side even tho arvo brought a group of people to rob them not 2 days before😂
@@NeshaBoo21his character definitely crashed and burned the last episode after arvo joined!
@@Akain777 i just don’t understand why he was ready to defend him and kept saying he was just a kid but not care about the newborn and the 11 year old 🤣
Carver really hit that "I am you" to a child 😂
Bro thought he was yuji
"You are just like me. We are the same person."
"I'm literally 11 years old, what the fuck is wrong with you."
"I have a god complex thanks to the zombie apocalypse."
- Carver and Clementine
Okay this one was actually funny, but ya'll get his point, quit acting stupid.
Literally groaned when he said that bc we barely know this dude, watched him kill a guy over blueberries, and he has the audacity to say that to a literal 12 year old. If he said that after the we sacrificed Sarah or stole from Arlo then sure but he dies too early to be a significant boss.
Unironically would've been much better if he said that to Kenny before dying, it just makes a lot more sense (and would even foreshadow Kenny's downfall)
But to be fair, before ep 4 and 5 (...and even 3 to an extent) it's almost like Telltale always wanted for Clem to be as ruthless as Carver by the end of the season, but development/writing hell happened and we got this mess instead
Kenny being literally traumatized back to back and losing people constantly and still absolutely carrying everyone but Clementine, and treated like a monster just because he’s reasonably tweaking at a time like this.
Also the fact that Luke and Kenny weren’t the 2 choices by the end of Season 2 was such a missed opportunity nobody sane is picking to stick with Jane.
Yeah, apparently it was meant to be Luke and Kenny but Telltale killed him off because fans were getting kinda squicky and shipping Clem and Luke. Telltale firmly put the brakes on that shit.
@@jazerlewis309Yeah that's bullshit. There are weirdos out there, that's no excuse for shitty writing.
They didn't use Luke because Telltale wanted a shock value death instead.
@@jazerlewis309 who tf would ship a child with a grown ahh man
Pretty sure it was done on purpose. The group was wilding for treating Kenny like he some evil bastard or crash out mf(that he kinda is) and if you ultimately side with Kenny at the end you get some more depth for his character as well his him recognizing his flaws and short comings, shit was beautiful
@@embrasil My Hero Academia fans?
hated rebecca even tho she ended up coming around. these GROWN adults getting pissy at a literal child but leaving said child to do everything was annoying.
Reggie suffered due to the cardinal sin: "Tho shalt never touch Clementines hat, or face dire consequences." It was written in a book somewhere.
Corinthians 84.
Lmao
Luke was my favorite character he honestly seemed cool but the way they killed him I think he drowned under icy water was making me so mad
Yeah
The fact that they could’ve went around the lake instead of going on the ice was just pure dumb
@@alkhoajai still don't get this to this day
I think him dying so quickly underwater is also so weird. Maybe icy water is different but like, he died within 2 seconds of being dumped into the lake. Like what? Does he have Tommy Vercetti lungs or something where you die from touching a ML of water?
You know your ass is sorry when A Little 11 Year Girl ends up carrying the whole group and is the voice of Reason. Did the writers watch South Park and Boondocks and said: Yeah let's try that!
your* bro
Clementines age also makes their emotional dependency on her and her opinion of them extremely creepy. Season one, everyone saw Lee as a capable leader and an overall great guy so they valued his opinion an were hurt when they felt he wasn't supporting them.
But Clementine is a child. Putting all your self confidence and emotional baggage on a child is just irresponsible and honestly, abusive. Berleezy was getting weird vibes from Luke because of his attachment to her and intense reaction when she did something he didn't agree with. It was so unsubtle to the point it came off as intentionally manipulative, like when you have dinner with Kenny instead of them. Constantly leaning on her to give her input on (or just soley make) choices made them seem clingy and unreliable.
Everyone's dependence and attachment to Clem seems Parasitic and one-sided, so the final choice isn't who do I care about more, its who do I hate less. Clementine and AJ endings are the only endings I accept.
I’ve never thought about it like this , but it is kinda weird know I think about it
I guess this was the problem of making an 11 year old the POV character. They also offer her alcohol and cigarettes. There was one scene with Luke that felt unintentionally almost romantic/groom-y, which is a shame because I liked Luke as a character.
The fact that Carlos A DOCTOR can’t tell the difference between a dog bite versus a human bite is just hilariously bad writing
If he had just followed up with 'she may have got infected blood on her bite' then the problem is solved, as a doctor he's a educated and reasoned man, there's ways of making someone overly cautious and also rational.
This season would have been so much better if they just went with their original script. The season was supposed to be much darker and grittier than what we got. The characters from the 400 days DLC would have come back in episode 4 and met up with our group. The final showdown was also supposed to be between Luke and Kenny instead of being between Jane and Kenny. That could have actually been a tougher decision to make compared to the Kenny vs Jane ordeal. The only thing that I'm glad they changed was Kenny taking Carver's role and being the main antagonist of the story (although it would've been kinda cool ngl) and Clem dying from hypothermia at the end of the season. Also Troy was going to be more... seductive towards Clem and Rebecca in the original script so I'm glad they changed that😳.
Good thing she doesn't die lol, I actually loved this season
Seductive towards Clem?
@@Darwin-sama a debunked rumor spread by fans was that in the original script, Troy was supposed to r-word Clem
@@switch_on_a_kid4138 Thank god they changed it, they tried putting pedophiles in this game 💀
@@jcgamer1650it’s more realistic though. In an apocalyptic world, r*****s and peds would be free to relinquish their desires.
With sarah I mostly blame telltales for writing her like an idiot along with carlos. I get they wanted to do the parallel thing but it has no pay off since both carlos and sarah die so its like womp womp!
Thats my biggest issue with the season. I hate how everyone dies and had no character arcs. Its a real waste, I think sarah could have grew and luke should have stayed alive. Jane didnt have to be a psycho and kenny is done dirty in season 3 ( which im kinda happy about).
Its just a real waste of the characters
@@Akain777 Facts like I love telltale games but when it comes to how they write or handle certain characters they just fall apart for some reason it's crazy.
@@Akain777 Luke originally was supposed to stay alive but because people kept being weird and shipping Luke and clem the devs just knocked him off
@@KvngLeroy1 FR?????? If that's true then that just makes Luke's death even worse than it already was.
@@Akain777 Your happy that Kenny was done dirty? Lol tf
the worst thing about not seeing christa again is that season 2 could've been an inverse of the first where it's about a father-daughter like story about lee and clem.
christa could've still suffered a miscarriage due to her grief of losing omid and she can still learn how to be a mother to clem as they both try to survive the post-apocalypse. i will never understand why telltale thought dropping her like that was a good idea
i thought season 2 was the best season bro
It's very clear that Telltale DELIBERATELY avoided giving Clem another parental figure.
Which I'm glad they did.
@@royolaniye6643 why? she is a young girl. if what you say is the case, then why even write in a time gap of 16 MONTHS and has still apparently not learned how to better survive the post-apocalypse with christa?
Omids death was so stupid and pointless Clementine shouldn't have alone in the bathroom in the first place
That annoyed me so much. Lee would never of left Clem like that. So unsafe.
It goes to show that Clementine is Lee’s daughter. I know she had a mother and father, but she doesn't even really talk about them anymore after season 1 and only really brings up Lee whenever she talks about parental figures. She acts way too much like Lee, especially when she’s older, and like akain said, she’s basically Lee 2.0.
I may hate almost everyone in season 2 but I have a special place in my heart to hate everything about Janes existence
There's 6 things that Season 3 did right and Jane commiting rope neck was one of them even though it was absurd of the storyline.
The other five are the rooftop scene, Lingard and Conrad being actual determinant characters, Javi falling off the jump after a speech, and Gabe's death.
We don't talk about Jane 😭
I can’t stand her bro 😂😂😂
Fr she literally made Kenny mad.
How anyone can pick that selfish bitch over Kenny is beyond me.
@@Tuas-animation-channel162exactly lol like what was her point
@DeadX2 FRR her logic was literally "if I piss off the guy enough he will snap, therefore he's the bad guy"
Lots of people tend to hate on Season 3 because either Clementine isn’t the main character or not having enough screen time. Honestly season 2 always seemed the worst of all the seasons for me, a bunch of adults who are codependent on a child to do stuff. Kenny’s character is pretty much is ruined later in the game. He is fated to die unless you ditch him at Wellington. Christa is never brought back again.
i always say this bro
With Christa, there is this huge plothole of the relationship between Clementine and Christa. After Omid's death, Clementine and Christa were with eachother surviving for 8 MONTHS! That's like as long as Clementine was with Lee. Yet there was no emotional connection at all within that time? I get Christa lost the baby, but what happened for them to be so disconnected with eachother. For surviving together for 8 months, Clem looked like she didn't give a crap about Christa. Why wasn't she concerned in looking for Christa after they separated? It's like after Omid's death, those 8 months never happened and they just wanted an excuse to update Clem's design. Was Christa mad at Clementine about Omid's death for THAT LONG?!
@@enterusername6953 christa was with clementine for 16 months, and i read a wiki statitng lee and clementine were together for 4 years.
@xhncx that is just straight up false bruh they weren't even together for a year 🗿
@xhncx bro it was around 3 months
39:00 If I remember correctly, in S1, when you have to choose between helping Kenny get rid of Larry or helping Lily, if you side with Lily, Kenny will be angry and mostly against you for the rest of the game. And I think having such a personality shift from just one choice (or maybe 2) can really hurt the players' perspective about a character. That's why I think a lot of people are so mixed about Kenny in S1, simply because you can have a version where he is by your side and support you, or one where he is simply unlikeable in any way. Now I might be wrong or partially wrong, since I haven't played or watched any TWS1 content in a while
Yes, I don’t get why they made him like that. Or any character that gets mad at you for the whole game for one choice.
No you're absolutely correct, it's a strange decision.
Kenny will remember that.
I didn't even realize that and that is very interesting. I never really liked Kenny (and was frankly confused by how popular he is in the fanbase), but I actually sided with Lily when I first played the game and yeah, ever since then I felt like Kenny had this hidden agenda or unspoken criticism for any choice I made. After a while I stopped considering him at all cause it seemed like he was just determined to dislike me
@@j.a.4315he was just an a$shole, he wants undying loyalty from Lee because he expects Lee to care about his family more than everyone else in the group.
I get why people hated Kenny in season 2, understandable.
Y'all I think it's actually implied that Carver abused Rebecca. It actually explains a lot
God I hate Telltale fans making shit up and calling it "implying" just call it head Canon and move on
@@R1ck_Ryder why would i headcanon a rape
@@Gloss613 maybe to cope? I mean, without personal disrespect to you, but if you love this shit, you will consider any means to justify it being a shit, this way ot another
@@strawberryshower1175 I don't "love" it. It's just a theory I made within the context I was given
@@Gloss613 didn't say you did. Just tried to explain it from his POV
“who’s baby is it?” and “go and wait outside” were the only cold lines from this whole season
“You want a cookie?” Was also pretty good lol
"still not bitten" is from this season
I love “get your feet of the dash!”
“Don’t test me girl I’ll pass every time” was a barrrrr
Everyone in this season is an asshole and the game constantly tries to guilt trip you over every desicion you make despite playing an 11 year old girl. The only good characters in this season were Alvin, Luke, Pete, Kenny and Carver was a cool villian I guess
Yeah Carver had some banger quotes. Thought this video made me think “This dudes kinda a goofball.”. I guess he’s better than the other telltale villains? (I haven’t played michonne or season 4)
@@justsomeguyontheinternet5898 michonne is just dogshit so I don't recommend it and season 4 just has a knockoff Carver but it's fine tbf
I never accepted any one the dumbass adults’ apologies, but yeah, you’re pushed into forgiving all the backstabbing pieces of scum (Bonnie, Rebecca, Kenny, Nick)
Naw Alvin was stupid at times a couldn’t adapt to no one’s smart ideas Kenny is Kenny and although I find carver entertaining I don’t find him a good villain
Only good characters is my eyes was Luke and pete
Wait, but its so weird that they thought that Carver would send a child after them, out of all the competent adults he would be able to pick from his group. They were tripping on that one.
I mean, given how they depend on her for the whole season they probably thought Carver was the exact same because they’re STUPID
I mean these are the same people who literally left their FRONT DOOR unlocked in the middle of an apocalypse so I wouldn’t put it past them to think that.
The writing in this season was all over the place. They wrote Pete, who was a decent character, realized he was too rational and responsible and killed him off. Then were left with these other dumbasses until Kenny and his new group returned. They realized his group may have been too likable and rational and killed everyone except Kenny off, once again leaving us with these other dumbasses + Kenny, who also sucks but is marginally better + the remaining dumbasses from Carver’s group. And things just keep nosediving from there until the other only rational members of the remaining groups (Jane, maybe Mike?, maaaybe Luke) start making ass decisions, too.
I just want to know what the writers were thinking and how they wanted anyone to take these unrealistic characters seriously.
Imo, Bonnie and Arvo are the worst characters. Bonnie because she’s two-faced and wishy-washy and tries so hard to seek approval from a 12 year old for some reason yet will betray her at the drop of a hat, and Arvo because the only remaining rational characters in the season lose brain cells whenever he’s involved. Like, He’s barely even a character, but he makes everyone except Kenny dumber for just existing in proximity of him. Everyone else except Kenny can be packed up in the “Useless, dumb, and/or complainy character” category, while Kenny gets his own category of “Writers go out of their way to try to vilify him but then for some reason absolve him at the end of the season or at the beginning of season 3 depending on your choices.”
Damn I miss the good ol' days of early Telltale games of Wallace and Gromit, Back to the Future and Tale of Monkey Island with with their fun and witty dialogue before it was all *"Depression this! Betrayal that!"*
@@jaredwalker3960 Season 1 of TWD was good though. Like the characters did get all Depression This, Betrayal That, but at least their descent into becoming unlikable felt realistic. Anyone would start going insane if placed in their situations. It’s just the seasons after where it’s like.. “well these characters have already been through everything so you get them at their worst and they don’t become better at any point.”
This season's only pros are that you get to see Clementine "grow up," albeit forcably due to the circumstances of the apocalypse, and playing the game through her perspective.
In terms of the rest of the characters, a lot of them have been drinking that stupid juice, maybe aside from Pete, but he still sippin' when no one's lookin.
The compound area you're imprisoned at was just a discount Governor plot from Rick Grimes' story, and I felt like it was back then, and still now.
Sorry I was late big bro, work got me tired.
Luke, I mean. Not Pete. Take that for the character cast as you will, Luke was my favorite even.
@@1odie2nah he got dragged down by Jane I swear
Real talk, we shoulda known this season was gonna suck when Omid was killed in such a goofy way.
5:22 “whoa that was not in the script” im cryinggg😭
They way I didnt even realize I was saying it set me off💀💀
@@Akain777 you didn’t know you had it in you 😭😭😭
When the world needed him most, he returned.
Indeed
Indeed
@@Akain777 I DISAGREE WITH YOUR OPINION
Agreed
@@nachoking5869cry
I actually liked this season till the 4th and 5th chapters, but the deaths later in the season were so weird and out of nowhere I just couldn't believe it. Luke was being built to be a major character and his death was so stupid I actually thought it was a fake out and he would just show up again later.
I know right they did him so dirty :(
The Video is spot on- but Arvin, Rebecca, and Calvin didn't have a triangle. It's heavily implied Rebecca was sexually assaulted by Calvin- which is part of the reason why Calvin has a creepy obsession with her and the child.
That's why Rebecca gets really aggressive and/or paranoid at the mentioning of Carver. And, also why Carver despises Alvin.
@@mysteriousdestiny6672It was hinted that they were married. Even the official wiki says it, this is further implied when Alvin mentions that he and Reb went skiing once.
Arvin? You mean Carver or Alvin? And I assume Alvin and her were married
@@tcwentertainment Sorry, I meant to say Carver had the obsession
@@mysteriousdestiny6672 tbh I'd assumed she got with him for preferential treatment and regretted it but maybe if I rewatch I'd see the SA implications
14:46 The fact that you called me out while I was actually working had me dying 😂😂
Deadass. I was working on my laptop with it in the background
Mans caught me in 4K. I was doing computer work while he said this and paused immediately.🤣
😭😭😭
I was making my tea and breakfast and he CALLED ME OUT💀
Locking Clem in the shed had me tight 😭
pause?
@@TheAbsolute-863na like it had him mad😭😭😭
Ngl, I do not know how Telltale wrote these characters. Read how they were written and told themselves "yeah, this is something real people would do and say."
It was already hard enough being nice to Kenny because Clem would have no idea that he left her to be kidnapped in my playthrough for choosing not to be an absolute hog rider. It's not like I liked any of them in the first place, but oh my GOD! It was a chore hearing how these people behave towards a child. That's even with you just giving up bits and pieces.
Fr I am so happy that there are people like me that dislike this seasons☠️
Rip my homie Lee, he was the only adult with common sense, pour one out for him ✊😔🍻
Javi if u weren't sorry playing as him had common sense too
Lee was really the goat man
Tbf. If you actually do have Kenny’s back through the entire first season. Kenny quite literally goes, “Lee, you were always there for me when I needed you most. What kind of friend would I be if I wasn’t there for you in your time of need?” Like literally basically word for word this is what he says. So while I can see why you hate him… I also can’t you know? Because in all honesty, Kenny is (in my opinion) one of the best characters because he has your back if you have his. No matter what. Literally. Not only that may, but another reason people like him so much is probably because he’s the closest you can get to an ordinary person like you or I reacting to the zombie outbreak. Trying to protect his family, losing them both, etc etc. Anyways. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk. Keep up the amazing work! You for sure have a new sub.
Nahhhh, don't forget, he also adds, "bitten or not, I'm with you always, Lee."
@@higharchbishopofteatasting6217 yeah! I forgot that!
Personally, I’d rather have a ride or die that can communicate and negotiate ideas effectively instead of “go with my gut and punish you if you don’t have my back”
People can have your back but still accept and work together to solve problems instead of bully others into submission.
Alsoooo lowkey Kenny racist ass definitely beat Katja and/or Duck, y’all see how quick she called it quits as soon as Duck died? RIP the only ogs besides Clem and Lee.
Honestly would have gone for a season 1 alternate ending where Clem and Lee, Katja and Duck get to Savannah steal a boat and survive.
This is why I ultimately side with Kenny in the Kenny v Lily debate for half of the season. Lily is more sensible but she really is only out for herself, and Kenny has bad ideas but is ride or die for you if you appeal to him. Lily is who I’d prefer as a leader, while Kenny is the guy I would rather be friends with. But I’m also one of the freaks who helped him smash Larry’s head in the locker, so it’s not like I’ve been faced with the brunt of his anger before.
I also am a bit softer on him when he gets pissy with Lee, because most of the time when he throws a fit, he is on the constant edge of a mental breakdown. Him prior to losing Katjaa and Duck? Yeah that’s not cool and fuck him for that. Afterwards? I’m not even mad, I just feel sorry for him.
Once Kenny locks in as your BFF there is almost nothing you can do (save for burning orphans and widows alive) that he’ll object to.
“I killed someone.”
“Shit 😑. Well I got a shovel in the trunk. We better get diggin’, I guess.”
The biggest issue with this season was not justifying why Clem was used over actual adults so much. The only time it was SLIGHTLY justifiable is when they were trapped in carvers
Nah bro... you already did the arkham games. We need that MAN telltale series.
What a shout
We’ll see. Still purging The Jonkler from my vocabulary
I was thinking the same thing. I just replayed it
I was thinking the same
I remember once watching a video (it's called we don't about kenny by innudeduo studios) there's a line that I still remember and it's him saying kenny is clementines abusive stepfather and it has stuck with me. It kinda makes sense to me when you see how he acts towards her. Something else of noticed is that he always says clems right no matter if you choose to go with him or stay with him.
Yeah that last parts always been interesting to me. The only exception is when Sarita dies, he blames Clem no matter what.
Except for that, hes ALWAYS on her side. She can change his mind immediately - even Lee was incapable of that.
Hell, when Clementine SHOOTS HIM and KILLS HIM he says she did the *right thing.* Which, well, she did - hes crazy and dangerous but like damn..
Love him or hate him, Kenny is most definitely *interesting.*
I know what vid you’re talking about, good vid
How he absuive
@@sovietonion4487 I don't know that line is just something I distinctly remember from watching that video a while ago
@@TheDangerNoodle Especially when you remember he sees Clem as Duck, lol.
People who don't like Kenny in this game need to seek Asylum, I don't know why people would side with Jane other than completionists
Both of them are psychotic
@@Akain777 nah fam, this group got Kenny’s ppl killed, got his eye knocked out, his gf bit, & then proceeded to treat him like HE was the loose cannon. Nahh fam, Kenny was all the way justified
@@dejuanTblanton he left both clem and lee to die this season is my get back
@@Akain777never forgive never forget brother😂
@@Akain777 your fault you were sorry playing as Lee in S1 lmao
A lot of stuff was cut. The devs didn't know what they wanted with each new character and how they would mold clementine's story considering they founded their golden goose with S1. You'll notice that once Kenny reappears, the S2 cast fades into the background and hardly get any original dialogue - other than them badmouthing Kenny 24/7 and by the time they escape Carver's, most of the S2 cast just keel over and die lol. Don't even get me started on Episode 4, one of *if not the WORST* Telltale episodes of their games in terms of storytelling and character development, and that shitty cliffhanger lmao.
Rooftop scene in Episode 5 of Season 3, Javi falling off a small jump after a whole ass speech and "You kept your promise to your father." Made From The Gallows better ngl
It's a shame how hard Season 2 fumbled the writing. They introduced so much pointless conflicts between the group for the sake of drama to the point that it just made them look incompetent
Why you calling me out?
Let me wash dishes in peace.
I won't lie, I'll snitch on myself like a former rap star, I only did that *once* because I was eating some Curry Chicken & White Rice and I did *not* want to pause the video. Plus, I can't trust anybody else in my house to wash the damn dishes. It's not a personal bias, I just get *visibly unnerved* whenever they miss a stain on one of the meat pots.
The gasp I let out when I had literally finished rinsing my last dish 😂 he knows too much
My problem with this game is is that Kenny is supposed to represent an abusive stepfather to Clementine. The problem is he’s barely abusive at all. He’s toxic at most. Episodes 4&5 Kenny is supposed to be the “Villain” but he’s more like an anti hero. Hell some people see him as a straight up hero like Lee despite being Toxic and unstable, many people still prefer him over Jane even if he is an asshole. And I honestly prefer Kenny over Jane also.
I would rather be with someone who is slightly abusive that would sacrifice his life for me, that I know and trust, rather than some Manipulative Loner Woman who I’ve only known for three days who hides a baby in a car just approve a point, and who ends up killing herself and abandoning me and a baby.
It's pretty funny how insanely different Kenny is for people playing the first season.
I remember watching someone play through the game, and Kenny was the fuckin man, he even, at the time presumably, sacrifices himself to save Lee.
And then in this video, I hear about how Kenny just straight up ditches Lee because of like one disagreement
Kenny's biggest character flaw is his unwavering need for undying loyalty. It's something they could have built upon, having him go from a stubborn and rather dependent asshole to someone who's more open, accepting, and understanding of disagreements.
If you don't agree with Kenny every step of the way or play too much of a middle man, he will straight up leave your ass to die without thinking twice about it. I remember in the drug store when the door falls on Lee, he literally will not help you depending on how you've played. It's quite ridiculous and a severe overreaction to what I believe stems from the player choosing to help Larry. I mean, he is less angry about you not saving his kid than he is about you trying to save Larry. It's crazy.
I would've loved it if, by the end of the game, when you asked Kenny for help, even if you disagreed with Kenny about everything, he says something like "We may not agree much, but I know what that girl means to you and I know what it meant when I lost my boy." I can't believe the only other guy in the group who had a kid was willing to abandon Clem over ill will towards Lee. But in season 2, he never even contemplates this fact or apologizes to Clem.
@@TheSilentCheetah Yeah I agree, I think the focus from the devs was really trying to make playthroughs different, and a focal point seemed to be Kenny. Trying to show a different relationship between you and him based on your actions. And as much as I love the first season of TWD, they did kind of missed the mark with disagreeing with Kenny
I can already predict how you're gonna feel about Luke's death. Same way everyone else did i'm sure, that's one thing everyone can agree on.
4:38 in case you planning to continue this season talk through, I'd like to remind that Clementine mentioned Christa's baby by referring these words 'not again not again' before Kenny and Jane fight in the last episode
A BERLEEZY REFERENCE WE’VE WON🔥🔥🔥🔥
And Dashie
The biggest issue with this season, besides interesting characters/plot points being sacrificed for shock value, is the fact that the writers completely forgot Clementine is a child. It makes sense for the player character in season 1, Lee, to make the big decisions and do dangerous stuff for the group, because he's an adult (& also the goat ofc). When Clementine had to take up that role, the creators just assumed they could write the story the same way. But the fact that Clem is 11 changes everything!
Why are the adults constantly threatening her, putting all these burdens on her shoulders, and blaming her for everything?? It makes the plot so needlessly contrived, and almost every side character unlikeable! And I know this wasn't intentional on the writer's part because they try to guilt trip you for every "mistake" Clem makes, when really, the fault is on the adult characters of the story who made the little girl do everything for them. It's not tragic, it just feels nonsensical!
fax, it just ain't da same. Lee was a grown adult, story wise havin Clem be a yung trooper G helped raise a generation so there's something positive i suppose. season 3 felt good in that aspect where clem looked more believable to run things somewhat. telltale goated ofc still
i hated that they blame a literal CHILD for everything
YES, you explained perfectly why people love Kenny, and it's mostly because of this season! S2 puts Clem in a lose-lose & gloomy situation, and most of the time, the nostalgia factor of seeing Kenny again is what gets people to trust him far faster than the new characters that wanted to put Clem in a shed. Players forget about a lot of Kenny's flaws & almost blindly support him when his behavior isn't conducive to smart survival at all- he makes enemies too easily by constantly flying off the handle, & when he makes decisions without anyone else's input he expects you to support him 100% of the time. I don't hate the S2 cast as much as you do, and I definitely would pick Luke over Kenny if that were the final decision of the game, but it's easy to see how the game makes you cling onto Kenny as if we were thrust right back into Lee's shoes in S1 (even tho Kenny didn't care much for Clem at all).
Kenny Casually calling Luke and Nick Gay asf is funny af to me.
Background music was legitimately tweaking me out as im watching a 12 year old with more survival agency than a group of adults
More common sense in general
In my honest opinion, Kenny was justified, but needed to be held accountable for his anger and actions. He needed to chill, but he was a good man in a bad situation
Literallyyyyyy
49:20 If I recall correctly, the ONLY time Clementine and Kenny speak to eachother in season 1 is in episode 3 when Clem tells Kenny that Duck isn’t doing well and Kenny tells her “Get on the train”
everyone's beefing with a kid bro 💀💀💀💀
For no reason 😂😂
Everyone was depending on Clementine so much even she, Luke, and Mike noticed 💀 (in episode 3 when everyone looks at Clem, she has the decision to say "why is it always me." And Luke looked flabbergasted.
I find myself wishing that Rebecca and Clem got a more fleshed out relationship. Specifically because of Aj.
Yeah the season would have been a lot better if we got more time and development with a lot of the characters. Its really strange to have everyone die before they can really do anything. Im starting to thing these seasons would have benefited from more episodes.
Ayo, how'd you know I'm washin dishes wtf?
"Your lineage is doomed, I will not crumble under that burden." goes hard
The writing in season 3 makes the writing in this season majestic.
KENNY IS THE BEST WRITTEN CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE FRANCHISE AND THATS A FACT
For me top characters goes
Clementine
Kenny
Lee
Aj
Lily
Kenny just barely beats lee and aj is underrated when it comes to writing he has great depth and complexity
Also nice to see you again from the Lee vs Ethan vid
@The-Minion hi again, your list is very respectable I just said kenny was the best because I think this guy hates kenny
@@jaydenbeasty yh he does seem to hate him although he isn't wrong on kenny being unstable it doesn't make him a bad character he still is very well written
This season is worse than the third one my opinion
This whole group was nothing but a buncha F tier gaslighters, and I watched them die with so much glee.
Always getting people into trouble and trying to blame others for something THEY caused. Always on Kenny's ass, calling him volatile like he didn't just suffer the most in the span of 2 days. Loses his base, loses his friend, loses his eye, loses his girl, and then gets ambushed by someone you spare and constantly getting poked and reprimanded about nothing.
I do find it disapointed that Rebecca and luke didnt even enjoy their freedom like everyone in that group freaking died.
Man i kinda want some group to rewrite the entirety of season 2
Bruh this game had me pissed cuz Jane was easily the best character in this game and then the writers did the biggest character assassination I've ever seen, seriously whoever wrote that ending retire from writing forever lol
Ain’t no way bro is saying Jane is better than Luke even without the season 3 suicide she is a psycho
Season 2 suffered from so many cuts and script changes, that it somewhat shows. Why did they replace Eddie with Arvo? Why did they cut Christa out of the story? Still my favorite though.
As soon as I heard that that Akain laugh I knew balance was restored among the realms
I almost forgot to add it💀💀. It was one of the last things i added
I really did hate how you were forced into sticking with this crappy bunch of people. Carlos was straight up trying to kill us with neglect, Rebecca was overly cutthroat until the plot just called for her to be a normal person, and no one would give any explanation for why Carver was a bad person and why they were running from him. "Because we had to" was such a frustrating line when i already barely care about this band of idiots and jerks
The problem with this series is: it doesn't matter what you choose to do. The outcome will be the same.
This is hardly a game.
This is a deltarune kinda thing, your choices won't affect the outcome but will affect the reason the outcome happened. Kenny can be a fake piece of shit in his scenes and not help you or be the opposite depending on how you interact with him, even if the outcome will always be the same. The game isn't about the destination, it's the journey.
To be fair, if your choices actually mattered, the game would only have one season, because otherwise they'd have to make multiple sequels for every different path
It's like how Detroid Become Human has so many branching paths and endings, but it's a standalone game because of that
In Telltale games, your choices don't change the story, your choices change HOW you go through the established story
The Environment Aspect, Character development of Clem and Kenny is the most remarkable thing of this season. That being said, the plot and other characters felt rushed, unnecessary deaths and forced decisions for the player hurt this season. Overall, Season 2 had the most potential and it wasn’t fully utilized.
Bro im so glad you're not a Kenny glazer, everyone i talk to about this game gets FLABBERGASTED when i mention not liking him.
I love kenny but yea he makes me wanting to kick his ass sometimes..
Off-topic-ish but how do you feel about Kenny glazers that actually know more than just clazing and understand Kenny's ups and downs as someone who deep down is a good person but keeps lashing out due to his emotions?
1:08:30 When a villain says "we're the same" (assuming the writing is good), it doesn't necessarily mean they are correct-- rather, the villain is saying "I see myself in you," which reveals something about their own character. Carver sees some part of himself in Clem, which is causing him to act differently toward her. Whether or not they are actually the same is less relevant. While this device can also be used to juxtapose characters who *do* have similar traits but have chosen different paths, I don't think that's what's being done here.
All that said, the line is also a cliche, and there are better ways to accomplish this type of connection in fiction.
Good writing shouldn't feel the need to point that out. If it's well written the audience should come to that conclusion by themselves
I’m convinced Carlos isn’t a real doctor. How can you not tell the difference between a dog and human bite?
Saying Season 2 is the worst one when A New Frontier exists... Lmao
Majority of the characters in this season serve zero purpose and die out of nowhere. But before they die they nag and whine endlessly.
Season 3 isn’t much better. I think 1 and 4 are the only good seasons. But from what I remember season 3 has focus. That being Javi and his family. Its still terrible cuz everyone sucks except Javi, but i prefer that over this
@@Akain777True. Season 3 was legit blue waffles half the time but the bad writing wasn't half as annoying as this game. Plus the fact that S3 has some more choice variety, like the guy with 3 different possible deaths who can survive the story, which is pretty good for Telltale standards. Now compare that to S2 where they were too lazy to make different responses for what you say, so every character says the same half baked shit even if you stay silent.
Naaaah. Season 2 was definitely worse. The only remotely competent adult gets killed off in like the first episode and then the rest of the season is spent with the cast relying on a little girl to do literally everything for them, including hand-holding them, risking her life for them, giving them emotional support instead of the other way around, and that alone constitutes horrible and unrealistic writing. At least the writing in Season 3 was a little more realistic even though everyone in that cast sucked, too, but they sucked in a different way.
Season 2 is worse imo
Season 3 was MUCH better, the characters were competent, the story was actually okay. The budget was insane, it felt cinematic. The only problem was Clementine wasn't playable as much.
Don't know why but you're voice is what's keeps me coming back to you're videos
I went into this video with pure intention to hate because I remembered playing season 2 and actually liking it… My whole world got ROCKED when you made so many points that I either overlooked or ignored mentally. Not only did you make me realize how SORRY s2 was but I was laughing legit so damn loud at every joke that was unleashed into my ear canal. thank you, have a blessed day.
THANK GOD the kenny bandwagon is dying. i never understood his process of thinking, emotionally or mentally. his “ethics” or whatever type of “code” tht he we trying to convey with his friendship wit lee is SOOO one sided. the fact tht kenny felt like all HE had to do was hold his weight and thts it was beyond me. literally at the very beginning we literally chose to save his brain dead son from the walkers instead of hershel’s, then we have to save his son again when larry wants to throw him out at the drug store.. then a few scenes later when walkers raid the store kenny basically leaves us there to die after we helped EVERYONE else get out..
Yeeeeaahh... the thing with Rebecca, Alvin, and Carver was definitely _not_ a love triangle. It was heavily implied that Carver assaulted her.
Thank u for saying this omg I watched a playthrough and he kept calling Becca a slut like no she's a VICTIM!!
These people really be beefing with an 11-year-old.
Also, the final conflict should’ve been between Kenny and Luke.
Why didn't clem just get washed up in the men's bathroom with Christa? There's obviously stalls in both, omid getting shot outside while they're both in the bathroom together makes more sense writing wise but they just forced Christa being mad at Clem and then wrote her out of the story
It’s implied by Christa’s expression going into the men’s room with Omid that they plan on doing a little bit more then ‘wash up,’ that’s why Omid hastily tells Clementine to go in alone and rushes in after her.
@jaredday7656 bruh if an apocalypse happens anyone focused on sexy time over trying to not get shot/eaten has the wrong priorities especially if you're walking with a kid.
@ I definitely agree with that. It’s just mostly me speculating but I feel like her expression (literally going 😏 at Omid before walking in), and Omid’s demeanor after that is a pretty big indicator that’s what was occurring. But then again, I could definitely be wrong lol
@jaredday7656 i need to replay this season now with that in mind, the idea of them leaving a child in a land of people who eat people, alive or dead, makes me dislike them both much more then just thinkin they were kinda needy for being new characters
@@MrVaultInfinity I completely agree with you that the trope of characters having s3x in the zombie apocalypse is dumb af. Not only because it’s a messed-up priority, but because it’s actively dangerous. It is stated in the game that the characters “wash up”, but they can’t be *properly* clean, and haven’t been for a long time. And I don’t even mean that in an “ew gross” way, I mean that it’s actually incredibly easy for a woman - especially a pregnant woman - to get a nasty infection from her partner having unclean “equipment”. Omid and Christa were literally risking her life and the life of their unborn child every time they “did it”.
It's worth noting that the original team behind season 1 was more or less pushed out by the studio who forced changes and rewrites. I don't know why Telltale wouldn't just trust the team that made their most successful game to do their thing again but it really shows with the drop in quality. One thing I wish they had kept was a scene where Clementine's group was supposed to fight a tiger. Instead they had us fight a raccoon and lose 😭
This season has its ups and downs. The supporting cast is terrible while the setting, stakes, and villain especially are phenomenal. Carver does NOT get talked about enough in the best villain in fiction talk, he is clearly up there to me. I don't like the overdependence of clem in this season and how kost of the adults make childish decisions. I hate the amount of betrayal in this season but at the end of the day thats good writing to me, it makes me have strong emotions and opinions (which is the point of the game). The return of Kenny was one of the most hype moments in the game and I liked the environment for the most part. My favorite thing however was the pacing. The episodes didn't feel mind bogglingly long and felt like it was just the right amount of length to tell the story well.
1:04:10 When I heard "Both my dads have been cooked" I immediately went "Wait.. when the hell did she have 2 dads?"
Piccolee was written so goated
Rebecca's characterization in All That Remains was a genuine WTF move. She's effectively the main antagonist of that episode, and yet in the next episode she's suddenly all buddy-buddy with Clem and we're supposed to forget that she's a vile piece of shit who's willing to let children suffer and die on the mere assumption that they might not have good intentions.
1:07:20 RIGHHT ?? That whole "wait another 4 months for the second part of season 2" bs made me drop the show lmaoooo.
Nah you called me out at 14:40 I apologize 😂
You know what's the shittiest things about "choices" in these games, they don't matter, they'are just "unlock hidden dialogue" they still al die, why even bother to try to save them, if they will die anyway? Sarah it's the biggest flaw for me in this thing, like fuck you make her realize "girl i know your dad died, but he wouldn't want you to die, so get up your ass and survive for his name" and then 5 minutes she still dies because "an accident", i was that time like "really n....?"
It's been over a decade and I'm still angry thinking about Omid and Christa. Such a writing cop-out. I still liked the game a decade ago, and I understand Telltale were working under the constraints of budgets and reality. However, as I've aged and revisited the story, the contrivances have started to stick out for me.