Why I Love-Hate the Cannondale SystemSix
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The Cannondale SystemSix is promoted heavily for its speed. Cannondake say it's faster everyone, with exception of hill climbs over a 6% gradient. Could this be true? I will be going into deeper territory next week, where I share my head to head review on this bike VS the SuperSix. However, first up in this video I will explain what I generally don't like about the SystemSix - which comes with Caden carbon wheels and SRAM Force AXS eTap - and then I will share with you what I LOVE about this bike. Following, we'll go behind the scenes, sharing with you what it's been like getting back into criterium racing and what my wife Alice has been up to.
#Cannondale #systemsix
Cam. Don’t know how you do it but the quality of the vids and content just keeps getting better. Thanks!!
Very kind words Nigel, cheers mate
"for your days under 40k's per hour" that would be 365 days a year for me
I believe Tour magazine tested the System Six as the fastest aero bike of those tested in December 2018. Beat the BMC by 8 watts with their dummy legs test. Looking forward to your future videos, especially with the comparison scores with the Reacto.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing David.
Welcome onboard Dennis. Hope you enjoy the ride!!
Really enjoyed this one, Cam. Raced my first crit on the new Byron track last weekend. Lots of fun! Cheers, Leroy.
Awesome to hear mate! Keep going, you’ll improve every race.
Gorgeous color. Love the lime green
I've got a Cervelo S3 in the same colour and is a photocopy of the systemsix. Crazy bike but I think you are correct the market is moving on with a bigger focus on comfort on the right day it's so fast. When I got it to be honest I was not happy felt like I was getting beaten with a stick. Changed tires, tubes, and finally changed wheelset and went tubeless now really happy with it. That first ride I wasn't sure I'd want to do 40k on it now I'd be happy all day
I'd be interested to see the System6 vs the Canyon Aeroad
please please please - i am on the fence at the moment for an aeroad but your videos are stopping me from pulling the gun :D
I think it depends what kind of riding you want to do. If racing is your goal than the system six is probably a better bet than the aeroad. But if you ride casually or go long distance rides like 100 mi or more at a time, the aeroad will be the better option.
The only time I go over 40kph is going down hill. I have a love hate relationship with my current bike - a Trek Domane. I love the comfort factor, especially lack of road buzz through the hands, but I always feel I traded down, when I upgraded from my Fondriest TF2 ( I could at times nudge 40kph on the flats with this)... Comes to upgrade it will not be the Endurance / cobble busting bicycle again, I would aim for an aeroish bike.
been here since day 1 dude. so surreal to see you over 70k subs. onya mate
Cheers mate, thanks for the support all the way through 🍻
Always lusted after this dream bike. Thanks for the honest review coach. I now know that it’s not for cafe stops and short commutes
Yep 100% Clint
I think it depends. The top spec bike may have a harsher ride quality than the non Hi-MOD. I bought the "entry-level" SystemSix - with mechanical Ultegra. I'm sure the spec is lower all the way around - but it came with flat aero profile bars, and Vision 55's for wheels. It is a fantastic bike and as a recreational rider I have found it plenty compliant for all of my riding. I ride mostly on my own - pacing is low 30's kph when I push, and sub 30 when I take it easy. Longest ride to date is 110 km. I was hoping to build up to a century ride this summer - but life gets in the way. Don't rule it out if you really wanted it!!
Chris Gilligan Quite the contrary. I’m just thinking I may not get any more comfortable than my current CAAD12 set up 😅. Our local bike shop has the older version of the variant you chose. Ultegra+8 spoke SI crank set+Fulcrum wheels (shallow depth)+Metron4D+Trimax stem+Prologo saddle. I much prefer the model you got over this though. Oh and I’m not a great competitive cyclist by any stretch of the imagination. I’m mostly a commuter that prefers going fast and smashing PBs on a road bike 😎
@@clintnieves I'm not sure what the geometry is on the CAAD12. I moved into this one from a Specialized Allez-pro. I find the SystemSix more comfortable and faster. I really like and appreciate this bike. Part of me felt like it was way too much bike for my skill level....but I'm glad I got over that and went for it.
Greetings from the wintering 🇬🇧 uk , just taken delivery of my orro Venturi stc 2021 very aero , my first ride this Sunday, looking forward to see some personal best smashed , not sure I could give such a professional review as you Cam , and it is true New bike days are the best. , 👍🚴♀️👍🚴♀️
Nice one Keith, have fun on the new machine
Poor guys, just a chill weekend ride until someone shows up with a spaceship and drops 800w haha
hahaha! Exactly
Sounds like every group ride with my club. 2 chill hours, coffee then two hours on the hammer.
This video steered me away from the systemsix last year, and I'm glad it did because I just bought one a few days ago in better shape with better components and wheelset for the same price :) The previous owner had tubeless 28mm gp5000 TL on it already and I immediately felt how comfortable the bike was compared to my 2021 Giant Propel Pro, 2021 Cervelo S-Series, 2021 Cube Agree C62 SL and 2020 BMC Roadmachine. Although it's quite heavy compared to the recent aero road bikes, it's still insanely fast for its weight. The tires the bike came with makes it way too stiff.
Raced the crit with you and yes it was very quick indeed.
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This noise the bike is doing is just iconic
Looking forward to the review of both bikes... I was looking at a system six, but was told it was sluggish climbing hills and passed on it. I’m sure there were other reasons that I’ve long forgotten...
Didn't feel sluggish to me, but I didn't do any long climbs.
@@CamNicholls it was probably just "sales speak" LOL...
@@CamNicholls For me that's the main factor when buying an aero bike, I'm from Colombia and everytime I go for a ride with my mates there are +30min climbs, and I just can't find a review where someone tackles that kind of terrain in an aero bike. Maybe you can shed some light on the issue!!
SuperSix all the way. Tested both - bought the SuperSix Di2- better on all levels.
Hey Cam - great content all the time about training, and bike reviews! I have to call foul on that hate part of the SystemSix ride quality. Granted I haven't ridden a ton of bikes to compare it against. But I'm a pure recreational rider who has never had the legs for 40 kph sustained pace and I love everything about my SystemSix, including the ride quality. I ride generally on tertiary roads in where the pavement is anything but smooth and new, and I have taken it out for as long as 3.5 hours continuous (no coffee shops - get on the saddle and ride for 3.5 hours) and have never felt that "get me off this bike it's punishing me" feeling.
Fair call Chris, that’s your experiences with the SystemSix and I appreciate you sharing on the thread. 👍
@@CamNicholls Thanks Cam. I'm not sure if it would affect the ride quality - but I bought the bike as motivation to get back into riding and being out of shape - I am a long way from "slamming the stem" to get the full aero experience of the bike. I train mostly on my own and there is no doubt that the aero makes a difference....even at my modest pace in the low 30's kph.
Again I'm not sure how much difference it makes in terms of compliance....but I don't have the top of the range model. Maybe there is some additional stiffness in the "Hi-MOD" frame, wheels or whatever else in the top spec. I'm also rolling on 25's at 80 psi which helps the comfort.
I am gonna have to add that outro song to my indoor training playlist! (can somebody help me find it?) Great vid bud, I've been missing this quality content. It's good to see you coming out with some new stuff. BTW I never noticed the teeth, always thought your smile looked fine.
Cheers mate, it’s the bottom teeth that are crowded but they realign then whole lot! The song is MY WHOLE LIFE'S A PARTY on MusicBed
Always enjoy the content Cam. Love the colour👍
Cheers Bondy
Gorgeous looking thing! Especially in those colours.
Beautifull Collor, i love Cannondale.
Cam, you might find a nice set of 28s at 80psi will deal with harsh ride. I agree it’s a bit fidgety, but guess that 10cm wide seat post is the culprit. When you get the Knot 64 wheels on as well, it does fairly fly above 40kmh.
I'm rolling 25's at 80 psi and for me it is plenty compliant. I haven't even had the time to go tubeless....I think it might be even better next summer when I make that switch.
Very comfortable and composed bike. Try tires that measure 29.5-30.5mm at 55-70psi.
1. if you want a bike save money and by it, dont ask to have it for free.
2. All your statements of the bike a pure feelings. Nothing to back it up.
3. you seem like a loving husband and dad. Keep that up.
4. Findling your channel was a enrichment for me.
Good das to you
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The one thing you don't like about the systemic is the thing I love 🤣 the most comfortable bike I've ridden even over my giant defy.
Joke I assume haha
I've riden a lot of modern "aero" bikes but I keep going back to my Gen1 Venge. It's just such a good all rounder for an aero bike and in the real world gives little away to the "latest and greatest".
Not to mention Bruce McLaren was a Kiwi ( some of you will get this statement ) ;)
Thanks for sharing on the thread mate
I gues I'm late to the party but my system six is coming next week. I really hope I see the difference in speed, compared to my giant propel.
Haha! I am a 57 year old female and I find the System Six to be my most comfortable bike 🤣 I'm not going as fast as you but even going at my modest pace it's awesome!! I also have a Trek Domane and it's NOT as comfortable, perhaps the fit is off slightly... Thanks for the review though, you made good points and I agree with all except the slower speed comfort.
Thanks for sharing on the thread!
Cannondale are a little disappointing not letting you race the bike, you have real credibility as an honest person and making quality videos. Thinking you have taken the batton from Cycling Maven 👍
I've had a SystemSix for a while and can endorse the points made on speed. I have the KNOT 64 wheels and ran them from the start on 25mm tubeless. At 70 psi they roll nicely and cope with rough British roads pretty well. Whilst it's not as smooth as my Domane, I don't ever get back from rides feeling beaten up by it, well not by the handling anyway 😄.
Thanks for sharing Paul 👍
all aero bikes have that love hate relationship feel about them!
Not surprising if the system six isn't as comfortable as something like the aeroad. The system six was designed to be the most aero bike for racing with some wind tunnel tests saying its THE most aero. That's probably why Canyon decided to sacrifice some aerodynamics for comfort with their latest models.
I got to ride one and prefer my 6.4kg supersix rim for everything.
Nice color though!
Be curios to hear what you think of the new Cervelo S5. From all reports, it's considered by many as the fastest bike on the block.
Update I got the system six ,it's so fast it really is just amazing
"For your days under 40km/h"...so every day you mean?! Hahhahaaa!
That’s what it is for many! So not the bike if that’s the case
It depends. I am typically in the low to mid 30's sustained solo pace depending on fitness level. But I've also taken it out on leisurely rides under 30 kph and in all cases I have found the bike plenty compliant. Full disclosure, I have left some of the spacers in the stem so I'm not taking full advantage of the aero position....but this is what works for me right now with my level of fitness and flexibility. And I find it a joy to ride.
@@CamNicholls in any case, it looks gorgeous, would make me feel fast at least upon seeing my reflection in a distant shop window! I'd be lying if I didn't admit I think about that too!
Great video, thanks bro!!!
Luescher teknik has a couple, but unfortunately they are broken, due to a pin they fit to stop the steering travel. Go check it out, not exactly a great design and all i can say, but drop this bike, it will be a write off!
Thank you for the great video! Exactly what I was thinking about systemsix. Do you know if we can remove the steering stop pin? The manual says, the steering pin is permanently anchored in the frame. Any chance we can workaround to remove that?
So basically, it's like driving an Enzo when what you really want is a grand tourer like a Portofino? That SystemSix screams "dedication to speed" while SuperSixes are everyday rigs for the road. Gotta love both of them.
I brought the original red and black ultegra version. Doesn't have all the integrated stuff but still feels shit fast
haha, awesome to hear. Thanks for sharing Jay! I love fast shit!
Cracking review Cam, have been looking forward to the review of the Systemsix.
As someone who has ridden both the Systemsix and the Merida Reacto how do they compare?
Merida is a better ride all round although SystemSix feels a touch faster and stiffer
@@CamNicholls thanks Cam, in the UK the Merida is £1000 cheaper than the Systemsix hi mod, so think I'll go with that.
I had the reacto it was super comfortable and stable on the road , but it's heavy and actually slower than my giant propel rim brake . I've ordered a system six now so will see how that goes
Heycam great vids .iam a dye hard cannnondale rider i own a cannondale super six evo sram red double tap .its super fast super lite its so much liter. And fastet than system six .even my trek madone slr 7.is as well.I test road the system six it was disapoiting
I have the Supersix and wondering if I also “need” an aero bike..I feel like it might help on the crazy fast group rides I’m always struggling to hang onto to
Ribble aero 883 for me the stiffness is unreal I was convinced with the system 6 untill I tried the ribble 883
I own the System Six Team Replica and a Pasculli Mercatello. Both aero bikes,but the System Six is more aggressive and faster. Living in Berlin,Germany the city is flat! I'm from Mississippi so that works for me. I use to run the 100 and 200 meter in high school and college. The bike works great for me,as I love speed! The down side is the comfort. I switched my saddle and that actually worked for me. The Cannondale saddle is not the best for this great bike.
Thanks for sharing on the thread mate
Cam,
isn’t it the frame geometry is the same like the third generation Cervelo S5? Totally looking at that bike also. There are so much advantages for me to have an aero bike since I’m 6.4 and don’t like having wind on my face. I live in in PNW, mostly mountains and hills.
Not sure will need to look into it 👍
If you enjoy hunting Strava segments and really like going fast in a straight line, ie sprinting, this bike is pure cheating. But it needs to be all blacked out.
Cam, where have you been? Ive been getting withdrawal symptoms as well as genuinely concerned something happened to you!
Edit: I should have watched the vid first, lol
So I am in my 50 and I have never ridden an aero bike before but done plenty on an MTB, in your opinion which bike should I get without breaking my bank account. Cheers
I love your videos!
Cheers Carson
Great video!! What do you think of the new Canyon aeroad as well as the older version?
Never ridden mate and the local distributor in Australia ignore my emails!
@@CamNicholls too bad!! A review from you could give them an extra boost in sells.
How does this then rate compared to the Merida Reacto?? I am keen for the next video!!!
Reacto is softer, nicer to ride. But teh SystemSix feels a touch faster/stiffer
Hi Cam. I keep re-watching your reviews of the Systemsix and the Reacto and I am confused about which one to buy? I currently have a 2011 Supersix that is still in good nick, is my current race bike, and I will keep as a training bike. I actually joined the Hamilton Wheelers late last year, started in E grade after many years off the bike and have just stepped up a few weeks ago for my first D grade race which went great. In some of the comments you replied to, you allude to the fact that the Systemsix is faster . . . JUST, than the Reacto. Was your experience of this difference in speed in acceleration, ability to hold top speed for extended periods, or both? If they are indeed very close in speed, do you think this slight difference in speed is worth the $2300 sales price difference?
Still confused?
Have u ever ridden a Cervello S5 . The current version. Would like Ur thoughts
No I haven’t Robert. It’s not on the list yet either. Sorry
The bike at the back I think it has too long cable routing in his way to the rear mech.
What kind of bike stand is that behind you?
How does it compare to the Sworks Venge? I recalled you did a review of the Venge before.😊
Venge is lighter and handles better but this feels faster
Thanks.. good to know now. 😏 I'm riding Venge.
system six ultegra or reacto force axs?
Systemsix looks good in neon color, but in black the front end looks sooo bad. Don't know why. But compared to trek madone or reacto/venge(same bikes) they look consistently good in all colors.
Aesthetically, I think the Dale is the bee's knees. the fluro' colour makes it really pop (as the bikini haul gals on UA-cam frequently say). If you had the cash to splash, one bike for the cafe rides, and the Dale to get you grinning from ear to ear.
haha, lovely sentiment
Hom much weight is this bike?
What you think if compare to Merida Reacto 2021?
Stiffer and faster. Slightly. Merida is a better all round ride though
Hey Cam, how does the SystemSix compare with your C2 Rere?
One is extremely stiff (SS) the other is not (C2) C2 is there fore comfortable but less aggressive
@@CamNicholls Thanks Cam. I've been interested in getting the Rere for a long time now to pair with the Winspace 50MM Hyper wheels. I haven't seen you ride the Rere in a while... do you still have it?
Maybe Santa will bring you the Cannondale this year?
hahaha! That would be epic Danny
I have no days over 40 km/h :(
That’s fine! Riding below 40 is 👌
Hey Cam, can ya send the video of the Crit from this review?
Link is in the description
Lol, track car vs road car right there. Love the speed but pretty much brutal on the rough stuff.
His wife is super cute
How do you add the speed gauge?
Garmin VIRB
That’s some fancy backdrop bike! What’s wrong with it ? 🤔
Nothing. Trying to sell it though.
@@CamNicholls I found your channel with the “Dream bike build” but I only saw you ride it a couples of times. A few months after I bought a Tere 🤓 sweet all rounder IMHO
Systemsix compared to your Allez Sprint???
SystemSix wins hands down, but is 5x more expensive
@@CamNicholls wish you could do a comparison because the Allez Sprint is still probably going to be the crit weapon of choice for a lot of people.
Hardest crit race, Harder than Glenvale?
Fastest! I’ve had plenty of Glenvales that were twice as hard as this!
What’s that bike behind you
Chapter2 Rere
And the SMP is ?
On the bmc
@@CamNicholls :) I have the SMP Avant, not bonny but so comfortable and as we know, nobody sees it when youre on it :)
woohoo two parts
Haha
Oramai è indifferente vedere le solite bici disc.
Everything super helpful.
Just please omit the cheesy music. Thanks.
Cheers mate, can never please everyone on the music front
how you like bianchi
Never ridden one
i think you need to invest in an aero bike. if you ask your wife really nicely she might let you haha
i am sure you cant love or like road disc brake bike
Haha
Re the crit - I recommend you get yourself on a good base training program first - I know a guy who may be able to help ;-)
Hahaha
I guess he didnt like getting smoked
be under 1% yeah
Useless- Every bike I try to get from Cannondale is OUT OF STOCK. The Hell with them !!
I think the use of "dickhead" language is uncalled for and very rude.
n + 1 Cam 😂
Been a while.
Yes mate, I've been busy being a sole trader! Need to get myself some help I think. Cheers
@@CamNicholls All good mate, just missed ya buddy. Curious to hear this, i want a supersix, but not sold on the systemsix despite currently riding an aero Venge.
@@chrisvanbuggenum871 I'll have a fair bit more detail for you next Wed!
Why does every bunch have a Karen?
its fucking nice
Yes it’s a good bike
WAH STOP SURGING
2 Things do not trust in this life. 1. A guy who upload videos to make money 2. Going with 50km/h is fast with 21m Elevation gain :D :D :D
I don’t make money from UA-cam. Well peanuts. I make money from coaching. I just like making videos.
@@CamNicholls This is bad for youtube policy... you have tons of videos and you help ppl, or you mean they dont pay enough?
VB??? 🤮