@Dan_the_Great What are you talking about? Tons of modern airliners have CATIIIB Autoland. Lockheed? That would be a disaster. The L-1011 was late into service, sold very few examples, and was early into retirement because Lockheed treated it like a cost-plus-fee military contract. Most of what the L-1011 had going for it was luck. (Delta 1080 should have crashed due to a jammed stabilizer, Eastern 935 should have lost all hydraulic fluid and crashed due to centre engine explosion).
@@anthonyglee1710 When he transferred from the Trident to the B707, he felt the difference in technology between them. The B707 didn't even have powered controls. It had cables. The British were way ahead of the Americans in aviation technology at the time. The only let down for the Trident was it's poor take off performance in hot weather.
@@Robert_N I’ve established it’s the same one. I just wanted to know if I knew and flew with your father. I understand your reluctance to share personal information. All the best.
Back in 1968 I was on a Trident flight from London to Glasgow and then later in the day back to London again. The autoland was clearly in operation as the engine RPM was constantly making subtle alterations during the final stages of the approach. The system was remarkably advanced for the time and worked very well.
Autothrottle caused the engines to continually 'make subtle alterations', during an approach, but that didn't necessarily mean that autoland was in use. It could be an autocoupled approach to a manual landing, or a manually flown approach using autothrottle. The autoland system was excellent, however. For quite a while, in foggy weather, Tridents were the only aircraft flying.
I remember seeing a Trident at RAF Luqa. It was part of a sales pitch in 1963. Wonderful aircraft. The pilot barrel rolled it as he climbed. Spectacular.
@@TheBuccaneer1975 an aileron roll would likely have wrecked the aircraft. A barrel roll maintains normal acceleration and can be done safely. Tridents, 707s and even Concorde have been successfully barrel rolled.
@@peteconrad2077 yep! Captain Brian Walpole was the only Brit to barrel roll Concorde (according to a video I saw recently) another aircraft lost to history and makes me misty eyed! 🥲
Autoland this makes it hard to believe pilots will disappear in the next few decades because the same tech has been here since this day and we still have 2 pilots.
Auto land isn’t to make flying easier. It’s to make extremely difficult landings possible. Very few aircraft are CATIIIB Autoland capable. They need special instruments and displays and those have special maintenance requirements (thus it’s placarded on the aircraft whether it’s currently capable of CATIIIB operations or not). Not many airports are capable of CATIIIB operations. They also have to have the equipment that is rigorously tested as well as having instant backup power in case of an outage. They also have to be conducting CATIIIB operations which requires more spacing and aircraft on the ground to hold further away from the runway. The crew has to be CATIIIB certified as well through training and simulator tests. And when a CATIIIB autoland is being performed.. it’s not like this. They were able to do this because the weather was good and a single pilot can easily monitor the instruments and outside. In a real CATIIIB landing you don’t have time. You have one pilot monitoring the instruments ready to perform the missed approach if something goes wrong and one pilot looking outside ready to perform the missed approach if what he sees doesn’t make sense. And CATIIIB means an autoland.. CATIIIC.. which allows the autopilot to control the rollout and apply steering, brakes, and reverse doesn’t exist yet.
how i love the HS-121, there is a model of her atop my desk. she brought me through flight school and to the airlines. I never had the chance to fly aboard her, however; she is forever in my heart💖
Having worked in the Hawker Siddeley film unit and help make many films on the trident, one Clear to Land with Jimmy Phillips flying us on test blind landings for the film and thr flight test dept at Hatfield. It was a great aircraft and I have many memories.
This system enabled the Trident to perform the first automatic landing by a civil airliner in scheduled passenger service on 10 June 1965 and the first genuinely "blind" landing in scheduled passenger service on 4 November 1966 see wikipedia "Hawker Siddeley Trident"
My mental image. I see the pilot standing in the cockpit doorway on the PA explaining this to all the freaked out passengers while the copilot is demonstrating confidence by performing a juggling act with mini cocktail bottles next to the galley as the airplane lands. The pilots happily exit the aircraft while the passengers are zombified with fright for the next 72 hours. Just riffing.
These two pilots and the design team could have got automated cars to our roads in the late 60's - the only problem would have been trying to fit the computer into the boot.
Disagree strongly, autonomous cars aren't viable due to too many variables that cannot be pre-programmed for. Besides operating a fine road machine is too enjoyable to give up the fun !
It was RAE (Royal Airforce Establishment) Bedford. It was likely the only airfield with the equipment that provided the autoland capability for the Trident. In the 1960's none of this equipment existed at airports like it does today.
@@MrMJKTuck The narrator says in the introduction that it’s Hatfield Aerodrome - Located in Hertfordshire. Which would make sense as this was DeHavillands main testing and manufacturing facility at the time.
@@MrMJKTuck Interesting! Thanks for the info! I visited the Hatfield museum a couple years ago since my Grandmother lives nearby in Herts. Fantastic place! but they did not mention that it was tested at RAE Bedford. What has the issue? Did Hatfield not have the infrastructure for a CAT 2 or 3 ILS Approach at the time?
@@joegrimeh950 I believe that was the reason. You must be referring to the De Havilland Museum in nearby London Colney. They have the original Mosquito prototype on display there.
The Trident performed the first automatic landing by a civil airliner in scheduled passenger service on 10 June 1965 and the first genuinely "blind" landing in scheduled passenger service on 4 November 1966. This clip probably originated around that same time, maybe a year or so before.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves! But that aside I can't believe I just saw that, I mean the Trident did it first or did it not!!! automatic landing ffs. impressive stuff!!! Rule Britannia, ...
I have done many autolands on the 747-400 and -8 and I have never seen anybody looking back during touchdown. Never. Either this guy was plain stupid or this was a simulator. My five cents. Automation is still very helpful, of course. But autonomous flying is a thing of the very distant future. The third dimension is a hundred times more complex than sending Teslas down the road.
The co-pilot was also a test pilot and ready to take over if necessary. It was a genuine approach (into RAE Bedford actually - not Hatfield as stated in the clip). Purely a test demonstration flight of course - no passengers on board.
@@MrMJKTuck As much as I enjoyed the clip, the poster was right. Seat back and looking back in an airliner making an automatic approach and landing was and is foolhardy. It’s a 2 pilot operation. No matter how well the automatics are performing, they need constant monitoring by both pilots at such a critical stage of flight. It’s certainly not a “hands off” situation. Fly like that regularly and eventually Murphy will get you. Thankfully, cockpit discipline and operating procedures have come a long way since the days when this little gem was shot. This would not happen in today’s flight deck. Signed; a 737NG captain.
@@user-rc1ke1ef3t Yes I don't think anyone is claiming this should be done on the line. It's a marketing gimmick for the cameras on an empty plane with two test pilots.
Wind your neck in old mate. This was a test landing with an empty aircraft to demonstrate auto-landing. This may be routine nowadays but in the 1960's it was real 21st century stuff.
What a wonderful piece of marketing this is, captain looking back at the camera as the plane lands itself, not a care in the world.
Sadly this won’t ever be done again. I hope Lockheed makes a new one
@Dan_the_Great
What are you talking about? Tons of modern airliners have CATIIIB Autoland.
Lockheed? That would be a disaster. The L-1011 was late into service, sold very few examples, and was early into retirement because Lockheed treated it like a cost-plus-fee military contract.
Most of what the L-1011 had going for it was luck. (Delta 1080 should have crashed due to a jammed stabilizer, Eastern 935 should have lost all hydraulic fluid and crashed due to centre engine explosion).
Amazing aircraft. Dad RIP was a captain on the Trident aircraft from 1965-1974. He loved flying it.
Wow, I bet you had loads of questions when he came home. Rest in Peace to your Dad. I hope you have very happy memories.
@@anthonyglee1710 When he transferred from the Trident to the B707, he felt the difference in technology between them. The B707 didn't even have powered controls. It had cables. The British were way ahead of the Americans in aviation technology at the time. The only let down for the Trident was it's poor take off performance in hot weather.
@@Robert_N may I ask your dads name. I flew with many ex trident and 707 pilots when I started my career. Wonder if I met him.
@@peteconrad2077 Sorry I won't give out personal information on the internet, but if you tell me your airline, I'll let you know if it's the same one.
@@Robert_N I’ve established it’s the same one. I just wanted to know if I knew and flew with your father. I understand your reluctance to share personal information. All the best.
Back in 1968 I was on a Trident flight from London to Glasgow and then later in the day back to London again. The autoland was clearly in operation as the engine RPM was constantly making subtle alterations during the final stages of the approach. The system was remarkably advanced for the time and worked very well.
Dayum that means your over 60!
Autothrottle caused the engines to continually 'make subtle alterations', during an approach, but that didn't necessarily mean that autoland was in use. It could be an autocoupled approach to a manual landing, or a manually flown approach using autothrottle. The autoland system was excellent, however. For quite a while, in foggy weather, Tridents were the only aircraft flying.
badass explaination, even he didnt look at Instrument, Co Pilot did. What a Great Marketing
FO was watching
I miss old Britain and the stiff upper lip. We did great things in the old days.
its crazy how many inovations came from Britain ! hell even jet engine !
Bro!... I thought he was in a sim the way he was casually explaining
I remember seeing a Trident at RAF Luqa. It was part of a sales pitch in 1963. Wonderful aircraft. The pilot barrel rolled it as he climbed. Spectacular.
Barrel rolled????
@@bmc9504LOL I think he means aileron roll, I read of a VC-10 pilot doing the same thing.
@@TheBuccaneer1975 an aileron roll would likely have wrecked the aircraft. A barrel roll maintains normal acceleration and can be done safely. Tridents, 707s and even Concorde have been successfully barrel rolled.
@@peteconrad2077 yep! Captain Brian Walpole was the only Brit to barrel roll Concorde (according to a video I saw recently) another aircraft lost to history and makes me misty eyed! 🥲
@@Smudgebob72 hardly. Brian Trubshaw the test pilot rolled it own way and then Walpole rolled it back the other way.
Autoland this makes it hard to believe pilots will disappear in the next few decades because the same tech has been here since this day and we still have 2 pilots.
roman you fat fuk!
@@ZBA1 cousin?
@@devinthierault hahahahaha
Auto land isn’t to make flying easier. It’s to make extremely difficult landings possible.
Very few aircraft are CATIIIB Autoland capable. They need special instruments and displays and those have special maintenance requirements (thus it’s placarded on the aircraft whether it’s currently capable of CATIIIB operations or not).
Not many airports are capable of CATIIIB operations. They also have to have the equipment that is rigorously tested as well as having instant backup power in case of an outage. They also have to be conducting CATIIIB operations which requires more spacing and aircraft on the ground to hold further away from the runway.
The crew has to be CATIIIB certified as well through training and simulator tests.
And when a CATIIIB autoland is being performed.. it’s not like this. They were able to do this because the weather was good and a single pilot can easily monitor the instruments and outside. In a real CATIIIB landing you don’t have time. You have one pilot monitoring the instruments ready to perform the missed approach if something goes wrong and one pilot looking outside ready to perform the missed approach if what he sees doesn’t make sense.
And CATIIIB means an autoland.. CATIIIC.. which allows the autopilot to control the rollout and apply steering, brakes, and reverse doesn’t exist yet.
How wonderful the 60's were. not a care in the world.
The Cold War would like a word
@@ToastediPod tbf it could have ended if Kennedy wasnt assasinated
how i love the HS-121, there is a model of her atop my desk. she brought me through flight school and to the airlines. I never had the chance to fly aboard her, however; she is forever in my heart💖
It was a he
r/wooosh
Amazing aircraft. My Dad RIP was a captain on the Trident aircraft from 1965-1974. He loved flying it.
Wonderful memories, thank you for sharing Ava.
Having worked in the Hawker Siddeley film unit and help make many films on the trident, one Clear to Land with Jimmy Phillips flying us on test blind landings for the film and thr flight test dept at Hatfield. It was a great aircraft and I have many memories.
When it's foggy it's rarely windy.
This pilot can afford to be relaxed, he is on the best aircraft in the world.
I flew home from Split after my Bosnia tour on a trident in absolute luxury....it was a hercules on the way out, so luxury is a relative phrase.
so far ahead of its time
This system enabled the Trident to perform the first automatic landing by a civil airliner in scheduled passenger service on 10 June 1965 and the first genuinely "blind" landing in scheduled passenger service on 4 November 1966
see wikipedia "Hawker Siddeley Trident"
The blind one must have been terrifying.
Look how relaxed he is 😂
Amazing, Just Amazing
Amazing feature for such an early stage in air travel!
At the time perhaps.
So AMAZING.
That was a well timed speech
How cool
Like a boss
My mental image. I see the pilot standing in the cockpit doorway on the PA explaining this to all the freaked out passengers while the copilot is demonstrating confidence by performing a juggling act with mini cocktail bottles next to the galley as the airplane lands. The pilots happily exit the aircraft while the passengers are zombified with fright for the next 72 hours. Just riffing.
These two pilots and the design team could have got automated cars to our roads in the late 60's - the only problem would have been trying to fit the computer into the boot.
Disagree strongly, autonomous cars aren't viable due to too many variables that cannot be pre-programmed for. Besides operating a fine road machine is too enjoyable to give up the fun !
Bring back all-analogue!
Impressive
Search: 'RED ONE TO LONDON' Thames Television Documentary 1973 Restored 2024
The mics back then fr were interesting
I'm working on a documentary and looking for footage of the radar. Would anyone be able to help?
What airport is this
It was RAE (Royal Airforce Establishment) Bedford. It was likely the only airfield with the equipment that provided the autoland capability for the Trident. In the 1960's none of this equipment existed at airports like it does today.
@@MrMJKTuck The narrator says in the introduction that it’s Hatfield Aerodrome - Located in Hertfordshire. Which would make sense as this was DeHavillands main testing and manufacturing facility at the time.
@@joegrimeh950 Yes, the narrator does say that but he is incorrect. They used the facilities at RAE Bedford for all the development testing.
@@MrMJKTuck Interesting! Thanks for the info! I visited the Hatfield museum a couple years ago since my Grandmother lives nearby in Herts. Fantastic place! but they did not mention that it was tested at RAE Bedford. What has the issue? Did Hatfield not have the infrastructure for a CAT 2 or 3 ILS Approach at the time?
@@joegrimeh950 I believe that was the reason. You must be referring to the De Havilland Museum in nearby London Colney. They have the original Mosquito prototype on display there.
What year was this please ?
The Trident performed the first automatic landing by a civil airliner in scheduled passenger service on 10 June 1965 and the first genuinely "blind" landing in scheduled passenger service on 4 November 1966. This clip probably originated around that same time, maybe a year or so before.
God save The Queen.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves! But that aside I can't believe I just saw that, I mean the Trident did it first or did it not!!!
automatic landing ffs. impressive stuff!!! Rule Britannia, ...
Sterile cockpit!!🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I have done many autolands on the 747-400 and -8 and I have never seen anybody looking back during touchdown. Never. Either this guy was plain stupid or this was a simulator. My five cents.
Automation is still very helpful, of course. But autonomous flying is a thing of the very distant future. The third dimension is a hundred times more complex than sending Teslas down the road.
The co-pilot was also a test pilot and ready to take over if necessary. It was a genuine approach (into RAE Bedford actually - not Hatfield as stated in the clip). Purely a test demonstration flight of course - no passengers on board.
@@MrMJKTuck As much as I enjoyed the clip, the poster was right. Seat back and looking back in an airliner making an automatic approach and landing was and is foolhardy. It’s a 2 pilot operation. No matter how well the automatics are performing, they need constant monitoring by both pilots at such a critical stage of flight. It’s certainly not a “hands off” situation. Fly like that regularly and eventually Murphy will get you. Thankfully, cockpit discipline and operating procedures have come a long way since the days when this little gem was shot. This would not happen in today’s flight deck. Signed; a 737NG captain.
@@user-rc1ke1ef3t Absolutely 10 9, can't disagree with you there.
@@user-rc1ke1ef3t Yes I don't think anyone is claiming this should be done on the line. It's a marketing gimmick for the cameras on an empty plane with two test pilots.
Wind your neck in old mate. This was a test landing with an empty aircraft to demonstrate auto-landing. This may be routine nowadays but in the 1960's it was real 21st century stuff.
It didn't sell. Commercial failure and suspect safety record