@@Valfara770 Starcraft 2 started development way before the activision merger, and what usually happens is that when a bigger company like activision joins in then it takes some time before you feel the changes coming, those usually doesn't happen instant. So i think what he means is that Starcraft 2 is one of the last titles Blizzard really created without too much activision influence, after that it becomes easier to feel the activision presence in their decisions and the greed for more money instead of focusing more on creating quality games.
Blizzard back in the days was always ahead of its time when it came to in-game shorts/cutscenes. Starcraft is still the best space opera game I've played so far.
I think StarCraft 2 took a dip in story quality, especially starting with Heart of the Swarm, but the cinematics are always on point. StarCraft 1 still gives me chills sometimes.
The first cinematic was the video, and it's hard to understand the feels that the sentence "Hell, it's about time" provided for fans who had been waiting 10-15 years at that time. I'll always remember that sentence: "Hell, it's about time."
the Astartes would have no trouble dealing with the terran dominion marines. You were right in your initial assessment. They are basically Guardsmen in very fancy and strong armor. This is assuming you upscaled the terran dominion to the size of the imperium. As for the zerg... they're similar to nids but also VERY different. They don't have a synapse to disrupt and the zerg are smart enough to employ actual strategy. Additionally, unit for unit, the zerg are probably just a bit tougher. On the flipside they're not as virulent as the nids in that there are waaaaaaaaay more nids than there are zerg. However on equal ground I genuinely don't know who would win in a fight. The protoss are like a mixture of Eldar and Tau. They're hard to compare strength wise. I mean, yes, the warhammer universe is stronger but the forcefield tech that the protoss have would certainly throw basically everyone for a loop with how good it is. If you wanna give starcraft a try go for it. The campaigns are fun.
It's Idiotic to compare 2 very different franchises. They are completely different. Space Marines in Starcraft are normal humans, some train soldiers other simple prisoners. Astartis are basically engineered God's. To diferente concepts.
Big fan of both Warhammer and Starcraft, 40k Space Marines are absolutely way more powerful than Terran Marines, but they are also few and far between and the power level of the 40k universe in general is higher than Starcraft.
Got to correct you on one thing, the race you called Eridar are the Protos. The Eridar are the race that the Drani of WOW are from. The Zerg are just frightening ( the swarm), the basically infect you with their DNA that is also composed of all other life forms they have infected keeping the best traits. Think the Borg from Star Trek tng but organic. Hence the term “going Zerg”
Just wanted to say I love your work man! However, I remember this cinematic for Starcraft 2 came out in 2007, when Blizzard revealed Starcraft 2 to South Korea. This cinematic is literally a full year older than the film Iron Man from 2008...
Except the trailer for iron man also released in 2007 which showed the armor up scene. Common themes show up the same year all the time in many mediums. Mostly cause the ideas that get greenlit by executives are often the same.
@@dlpheonix Yes, but the point I was making was that Starcraft 2 simply did it first. The Alpha testing and trailer was shown earlier in the year, while the Iron Man trailer came out many months later. I was out of country at that time when the Iron Man trailer dropped, while the Starcraft trailer was revealed long before I had left the US.
@@shadowshandbro no Ironman was shown at comic con as well as the starcraft trailer. Also the facf that something that would take a year minimum to animate alone let alone plan you think was decided by something shown only a few months prior is interesting.
Eh, the thing about Starcraft marines is that their guns are OP as fuck. Those are Gauss assault rifles that can shoot through starship armor. They could kill an astartes standing still. Now, an astartes won't stand still and is both faster and has a lot better aim and reaction time. A Star Craft Marine needs an average of 80 shots to kill another star craft marine, that's almost five seconds of spraying and praying. Also, while Terran Marines can pump an astartes full of holes, the astartes can just keep going while full of holes. So, you'd need a squad of marines to deal with a single astartes and even then if they fight in anything but flat open ground the astartes will run circles around them and pick them off. Where the astartes would lose is an armwrestling contest. Those armors are NOT a joke. They can lift tons. They are powered by TWO fusion reactors in the shoulders. Now, a veteran Marine mercenary, one who can use the equipment to it's fullest potential, who can, unlike the marines you get in game, hit a moving target, is an average astartes' equal. On flat ground that is. Close quarters urban warfare with low visibility or god forbid, a forest, they would be toast. On the other hand the Terran marine would win underwater. Yes, astartes can fight underwater too, but terran Marines are faster here, cause their armors can better compensate for the water resistance and the slower astartes are easier to hit.
Yep, this is true. Wait until he finds hour that Zerg as a race are better than the Tyranids. Granted, they'll still lose to them due to scale (Because honestly, Hive Fleets and having trillions of organisms fight what amounts of several billion isn't quite fair.).
I would say that the Terran are like imperial guard but better funded per capita. So guardsmen in power armor is about right. They don't have the abundance of people that the imperium has. The Zerg are like the Tyranids but more fleshed out since stories are actually told from their perspective. Protoss don't really have a 40k equivalent. Their tech is Tau like and their powers are a bit Eldar like, but really they are their own thing.
For a 40k comparison, the Protoss (the one you called Eldar) are actually a lot closer to Space Marines than the Terran Marines are. Instead of being crammed in a Dready, the Protoss slap their injured into Dragoons (or Immortals after the fall of Aiur) so they could keep fighting
The Star Craft Space Marines are more like putting a Penal Legionaire or Militia Volunteer into a Space Suit with armor plating. The Armor of General Warfield was penetrated by Hydralisk spines all the time, so it is not particular tough. I would rank them below the Solar Auxilia in combat power. People like Raynor, Warfield or Tychus Finlay - about Company Commanders in seniority - would be equal to maybe one rank-and-file Astartes. Exceptional Ghosts like Kerrigan or Nova might be the equal to a rank-and-file Officiao Assasinorum field agent. # While reported Star Craft was created as a Warhammer 40k Game (with Marines, Eldar, Nyds as Facitons) but they failed to get a license, it is clearly it has evolved far from that idea.
@@christopherg2347 I dont know much about Tyranids, but i assume they are kinda like Zerg? As in, they have ground troops that do the fighting. What would a Hydralisk or Zergling equivalent Tyranid do to a 40k Marine´s Power Armor/the whole Astartes. Would they slice through the armor? Would they use Acid?
@@adrenjones9301 Ah okay. Well, Tyranids are 75% melee troops. 20% Acid or Spine shooters. 5% psionic. The Zerling equivalent would be a Gaunt I guess. And it would not do much to the armor solo. However the Nyds have uncountable numbers. And Astartes have exceptionally low numbers. A balanced battle would be like 8:1 in favour of the nyds. And the armor would hold up pretty well, but numbers could still win.
@@christopherg2347 Oh yeah, thats vastly superior to Starcraft Marines, we´ve seen plenty of cinematics where the Zerglings simply overwhelm spacemarines. Even ingame, you get 2 Zerglings for the price of a Marine and they win easely in a straight 2v1 fight.
1) Когда проходил кампании, каждый раз в финале пускал слезу. Чёрт. Я взрослый мужик. Но даже сейчас смотря видосы, каждый раз, пробивает на слезу. Это великолепно. 2)Всё понял, сказать не могу. Но keep doing, what u doing, bro.
Starcraft 2 is over 10 years old, and it still has a lot of players. And there is still a pro scene (for minimum 2 more years). It should be said that blizzard has announced they won't be doing more development on the game, except for balance patches. But that being said, the game is probably at a great state, maybe best ever. The world championship is starting next weekend! If you want to get into 1v1 starcraft, hit me up and i can help you. There is also the campaign, and they've added coop with heroes and special factions.
in cinematics heroes of the storm unreliable information about the ability of armor to withstand a nuclear explosion, there it is done just for beauty. I'm sorry if it's not written correctly, I don't speak English well
Been playing this game for over a year, and while it’s much more niche, it also means are community is more commited, and I love Starcraft 2, best game ever
In the heart of the swarm trailer, you remember that thing that fell and blew up like a nuke? That is a Gorgon(?) Class Battlecruiser, which is a spacefaring aircraft with a super lazer cannon, a hyperspace jump and ordinance i cannot remember its proper name. its crew is massive enough to count as a small city, if not larger.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but.... look at the size of the Zerg Leviathan (that big thing that was dropping the bio-pods), remember the size of the Terran battle cruiser that crashed into the city... and realize that BC is like 1/10 - 1/20 the size of the Leviathan. Still play co-op and some custom maps (haven't laddered since Wings of Liberty)
I still have to play the Legacy of the Void, but I no lifed this game for a long time beforehand. I highly recommend playing it. I was stoked when I heard this was coming out back in the day because I was a big fan of the first one.
in the heart of the swarm opening you see quite a few of the most iconic terran units. the marine, siege tanks, and the ship crashing into the surface is the terran battlecruiser. as far as the critiques on starcraft 2 were some iconic units were removed while new ones were added that didn't fit the same roles of the units lost.
From my understanding StarCraft Marines undergo extensive mental "resocialization" since they are convicts and given various steroids to be their size and stimulants during battle to improve their effectiveness in combat, but you are right. It's wrong to compare StarCraft Marines to Warhammer Marines. StarCraft Marines are the Imperial Guard if you gave them future steroids and good equipment.
You're right a Space Marine wouldn't stand a chance against an Astartes 1v1. However, I think the Terran Space marines would win a "war" or battle. Space marines are just convicts with nothing to lose in Astartes level power armor. There are tons of them with plenty to replace them. While not Astartes in power level, their pretty damn close-ish. Supported by essentially with the same artillery and armor support that the Imperium has. So simple overwhelming force would win through attrition.
I have always loved Blizzards cinematics. One from SC1 that gave me the chills was when Tassadar merged his energy whit the core in his carrier Gantrithor and become a PSI nuke that he crashed on Overmind.
haven't played the game in years. still watch every sc1 and sc2 season or tournament they put out. scene is still alive and doing well. it will never die in korea.
actually the protos are inspired by the eldar and not the tau, the first starcraft was even ment to be a warhammer 40k game before blizzard made it to something own because they did not wanted to work with games workshop and pay for the licens
Comparing SC2 to 40k I like comparing a tragedy to an action movie. Both are great. However, SC2 actually has an ending. A rather happy one id say. Something I can never imagine happening to 40k.
Warhammer 40k is so hilariously over the top that there is no point in thinking how they fare in other universes, much less StarCraft that is more futuristic and less gothic. Moreover, physics do not exist in 40k, much less tactical armour design or realism. That's the beauty of 40k. It's so unreal that's fun.
This is from so long ago but seeing the reactions of someone who hasn't played the game is amazing. Im still playing and not great but im also one to use mods to enhance the play and think of it as alternate paths. Doesnt mean i dont try for 100% achievements though.
originally starcraft 1 was planned to be in warhammer uniwerse but later blizzard changed mind. thats why there is a similirarity between theese two uniwerses
Kinda late watching this. I'm SC1 child. Almost half of my childhood :) So obviously I jumped onto SC2 when it came out. I'm too old to play it competitevely, but campaigns are still quite good, even though lore and story get at least a little bit shaky near the end. I would suggest playing everything even just for the story. And if you don't want to spend money on Starcraft: Remastered (quite good job done there by Blizzard), there's mod for SC2 called "Starcraft: Mass Recall" which remakes all SC1 and SC:BW (including bonus campaigns released later) in SC2 engine. WoL campaign is currently free as part of F2P version AFAIR. And once you finish campaigns there's CO-OP mode which allows some chill plays with heroes and campaign units. Though most of commanders are payable and with recent news about Blizzard it might be hard to give them money :/
6:45 Probably not, depending on the specs. These guys aren't transhuman like the Astartes, they're just guys in armor. Most of them are convicts resocialized/brainwashed into being extremely compliant and loyal, however, so they aren't cowards by any means. Their main purpose is to simply overwhelm their opponent by sheer numbers and volume of fire, and their life expectancy is measured in minutes, if not seconds. Unlike the Astartes, they can be produced very quickly and in large quantities, which is their main advantage. They do have automatic railguns with a _lot_ of ammo capacity, though. 7:21 That's made up for Heroes of the Storm/that trailer. In-game, these guys get _obliterated_ by nukes.
“Would a space marine be able to fight an Adeptus Astartes? No. Obviously not. Isn’t that one of the main themes of 40k? That everything in it is so incomprehensible that it is on a completely different scale than any other universe?
It's generally accepted that more times then not the average Space Marine would lose to the Adeptus Astartes, but it's not a one side stomp for the Adeptus Astertes either. imo based on the data I've seen people present, Astartes win a conservative 65% of the time. In terms of armor, they're some what equal, in terms of weaponry, the marines have a more impressive standard weapon then the standard Astartes Pattern Bolter. But in terms of what's using those arms armor? The Astartes win out 100%. You're lucky to find a marine with military training, let alone that wasn't a convicted prisoner. Meanwhile the Astartes is literally better then the best of human potential with extra organs and decades of training minimum. It's like an out of shape hillbilly with a neat gun fighting a top of the class special forces soldier that's been on a dozen tours of duty in his full field kit. Of course the hillbilly will win sometimes, he's got a gun. But the special forces is going to mop up the hillbilly's exhumed bowels and blood most of the time.
90seconds, that's all they needed. all they fought for. of course they weren't stupid enough to believe to liberate a planet with 8 ppl. 90seconds until the teleport gateway is online, was all they needed.
Dude I'm glad you're watching this and reacting to it nowadays. SC2 has always been my favorite game besides the first one. The Protons are amazing. Blizzard did great on the campaigns and the cinematics. Oof
Yeah i consider them more like... guard-premium. More gear, more incentives to keep em alive, but they are not bioengineered supersoliders. They are just regular blokes in power armor.
I don't know enough about Warcraft40K to give a definitive answer, but I do think the Astartes has the edge over the Terran Marine. The Marine's combat armor is not necessarily that durable within the Starcraft universe, as the vast majority of weapons of its time can punch through it. And I would say that the Bolters are of larger caliber then most weapons used by the terran infantry. The Astartes also definitely ahve a biological advantage over the Terran marines. the Astartes, from my understanding are genetically crafted to be the perfect super soldier, while terran marines tend to be average citizens. There are cybernetic upgrades that improve thier abilities, as well as chemical stimulants as well that improve reaction time. But overall, Astartes are superior biologically. However, there is a chance taht the main infantry weapon of the terran marine, the C14 Impaler Gauss rifle, is capable of penetrating the Super Marine's armor. Their weapons fire 8mm 'spikes' utilizing Gauss technology, and more often then not those 'spikes' are depleted uranium, adding even more armor penetration power. The combat armor also is designed to give Terran marines the ability to track and shoot fast moving targets, including aircraft. So these weapons have enough power to penetrate armor plating on some vehicles and aircraft, as well as the organic armor plating of most Zerg. So...I'd say that while the Super Marine likely has the edge over the Terran Marine in most categories, the Terran Marine could actually potentially injure or kill an Astartes, if he's able to get rounds off and hit something vital. I could be wrong, like I said I don't know Warhammer40K enough to know exactly how strong SuperMarine armor is, but unless told otherwise, I think the Terran Marine might have a chance.
Man Gamesworkshop really lost out when they they decided to take away the license for Warhammer 40K when blizzard was working on the first StarCraft game. So they just took the three races they already had made, space marines, tyranid, and Eldar an made them into the Terran, the Zerg, and the Protoss.
Fun fact Originally Starcraft was meant as Warhammer game, but blizzard didnt manage to buy the rights. So they decided to make the game anyway and just create the original universe from scratch. As for the question Astartes vs terran space marine... Yeah 1v1 astartes would won easily. Albiet not instantly. However, Astartes vs Ghost/Spectre... Rip Astartes. Psionic Lash their spine out of their mouth (Both ghosts and spectres are still regular humans btw in biological sense) The Zerg is meant to be tyranid counterpart, yes. And they are very close in broad strokes but there are very key differences. For startes Zerg does have actual leaders which can reason perform diplomacy. (Not just Kerrigan, who is infected human ghost) And then there are Protoss, which could be considered Tau conterparts, except their leadership is actually closer to the imperium of men... Its a little bit complicated. But zerg keeps evolving and adapting. Protoss just keeps their high tech as it is (until leagacy of the void at least) with very heavy religious dedication to their homeworld.
The Terrans as far as I can tell would get rekt in Warhammer, the Protoss would get rekt I mean they're almost extinct already in starcraft, but the Zerg would be ridiculous since they can evolve instantly across the whole swarm no matter where they are upon consuming biomass. The rate of their evolution would be absolutely bonkers when given access to the biomass of warhammer.
I think a Starcraft space marine, according to the SC lore would go toe to toe with an astates, they have guass weaponry, which does explode similar to bolters, and they have very similar armor to the astates, among other things, I would not be surprised if the astates came out in top, but his feathers would have been ruffled for sure.
Not really. An Astartes outside of his power armour can beat fully armoured SC marine. Lets not forget these guys are just normal humans in power armour.
in game nuke friendly fires every terran marines. face visor are most likely for photon(light particles) exposure and EMP shielding which also happens during nuke explosion but only helps if you are enough distance from epicenter
He put down both the regular visor and the blast visor, likely to protect his eyes from the flash over protection from the blast, which would not have likely hit him or he'd be at like, 100 or 200 hp, or dead, depending on what unit you use. And within lore just strait dead. Period.
Wings of Liberty : Let's go find and save my GF Heart of the Swarm : I need revenge because revenge is good and Im edgy Legacy of the Void : Raise your armors. Today, We gonna kill a god.
I actually just recently got into Starcraft. There is still a large and highly active playerbase (in fact the largest ever) but it doesn't get that much attention from Blizzard anymore so there are some minor bugs and balance issues that are unlikely to be resolved
I'm sure if you know the Lore of both 40K and starcraft you know that 40K space marines would cut through swaths of starcraft marines... but the star craft Cinematics are top tier.
there is no consistency in starcraft. you have normal units which are meat shields and hero units which are absolute bullet sponges. also the marine you see in the HotS trailer is raynor and he didn't launch the nuke. the blonde lady did. for the second trailer you mentioned starscream. there is actually a song in the game called "terran up the night" that directly compares starscream to the transforming jet saying "We've got our own transformer, The rough and tough Viking. He can fly, and doesn't cry like that little girl Starscream" safe to say there was some inspiration there as for new starcraft games, blizzard basically stated that SC2 is it and its going to be it for a long while
"it's like putting a guardsman in a power armor, essentially" erm..well, yes, exactly, that is a correct assessment of what is going on here: unlike the Imperium the Terrans are actually _good_ at logistics and as such can send out their rank and file soldiers in gear that is capable of making them effective on the battlefield instead of ritualistically handing them a completely useless weapon as part of putting them onto the battlefield in the hopes that you have more soldiers than your enemies have bullets. now, after that exactly correct assessment of what is going on why does he go on to compare a Marine to an Adeptus Astartes instead of to a guardsman? as for the heart of the swarm trailer...I think I'll just say this to put the scale of things into perspective: you see those ultralisks running around? the big chonky boyz with blades for arms? yeahhhh...each of those things is roughly the size of Godzilla.
to be fair us warhammer fans are like the dragon ball community we compare our universes to others witch is dumb because it doesn't matter who would win because everyone is strong in their own universe plus its just fiction.
Astartes are many Hundreds years old high trained Soldier. A SC Spacemarine is a Criminal in a Amor and a Gun, droppt on a planet with a Postit "survive
7:45 The thing is that Finley and Raynor have custom armors and heroic toughness, that take a lot more beating than a normal Marine. They would be better compared to special characters like chapter masters, or even primarchs, especially their HotS versions. 10:00 Between the Zerg and the Tyranids, the Zerg are the superior Starship Troopers The Bug knockoff. If I had to decided which franchise knocked off Starship Troopers' Mobile Infantry better, it's tougher. Terran Marines are a great evolution of book and RPG mobile infantry, while 4oK Imperial Guard are a great evolution of movie mobile infantry. Space Marines are everything I hate about book mobile infantry subjected to 30 years of unchecked narrative power creep. 11:10 I never noticed before that she's standing on the stature of Mengsk that toppled in the previous scene. Kerrigan can be so petty when it comes to her revenge on the man who betrayed her.
Individual Starcraft space marines would be better then a Guardsman, but worse then an Imperium Space Marine. But Starcraft marines can be fielded in Guardsman numbers, so they can overwhelm Space Marine squads in attrition warfare
Warhammer is the Superman and Emperor Palpatine of sci fi gaming, UNLIMITED....POWER!!! It's not fair to compare the two marines classes because they are not within the same universe
Legacy of the Void trailer was AMAZING. The archon form and fight gives me chills everytime
Archon: Power OVERWHELMING.
That voice line is not going to stop giving me chills cause of how badass it is.
Dunno
I still thinks archon as glorified AAA Battery 😂
i've seen this cinematic like 20 times, and stills giving me chills
I would clap, but i dont applaud To xenos.
POWER. OVERWHELMING!!!
"Back when Blizzard still had a heart... before Activision"
*I live for the shade*
But it's wrong. Wings of Liberty is from 2010. Activision was there since 2008... sooooo yeah.
@@Valfara770 This trailer premiered in 2007!
blizzard is acrap now
@@Valfara770 Starcraft 2 started development way before the activision merger, and what usually happens is that when a bigger company like activision joins in then it takes some time before you feel the changes coming, those usually doesn't happen instant.
So i think what he means is that Starcraft 2 is one of the last titles Blizzard really created without too much activision influence, after that it becomes easier to feel the activision presence in their decisions and the greed for more money instead of focusing more on creating quality games.
@@JohnFromTheInternet. like you say it took longer for the micro transactions to hit sc2
it really is a blessing to have seen SC grow but also a curse to see what became of blizzard after everything the have made in the past.
Does sc grow?
@@שגיאכהן-ז3ח You must construct additional pylons
Blizzard back in the days was always ahead of its time when it came to in-game shorts/cutscenes. Starcraft is still the best space opera game I've played so far.
I think StarCraft 2 took a dip in story quality, especially starting with Heart of the Swarm, but the cinematics are always on point. StarCraft 1 still gives me chills sometimes.
The replayable aspect of this game is amazing. I still replay the single campaign from time to time and it's still fucking awesome.
The first cinematic was the video, and it's hard to understand the feels that the sentence "Hell, it's about time" provided for fans who had been waiting 10-15 years at that time.
I'll always remember that sentence: "Hell, it's about time."
That Behemoth of a beast in the Heart of the Swarm is an Ultralisk, it basically as you saw is the Zerg Swarms equivalent to a Tank.
omegalisk = tank XL
i'd like to counter an ultralisk is more akin to a thor, it's a massive tier 3 unit that could mow through multiple tanks
the Astartes would have no trouble dealing with the terran dominion marines. You were right in your initial assessment. They are basically Guardsmen in very fancy and strong armor. This is assuming you upscaled the terran dominion to the size of the imperium.
As for the zerg... they're similar to nids but also VERY different. They don't have a synapse to disrupt and the zerg are smart enough to employ actual strategy. Additionally, unit for unit, the zerg are probably just a bit tougher. On the flipside they're not as virulent as the nids in that there are waaaaaaaaay more nids than there are zerg. However on equal ground I genuinely don't know who would win in a fight.
The protoss are like a mixture of Eldar and Tau. They're hard to compare strength wise. I mean, yes, the warhammer universe is stronger but the forcefield tech that the protoss have would certainly throw basically everyone for a loop with how good it is.
If you wanna give starcraft a try go for it. The campaigns are fun.
It's Idiotic to compare 2 very different franchises. They are completely different. Space Marines in Starcraft are normal humans, some train soldiers other simple prisoners. Astartis are basically engineered God's. To diferente concepts.
There’s trillions of Zerg in total
Big fan of both Warhammer and Starcraft, 40k Space Marines are absolutely way more powerful than Terran Marines, but they are also few and far between and the power level of the 40k universe in general is higher than Starcraft.
Bruh it doesn't matter who wins the universes are different from each other plus everyone is strong in therir own universe.
Got to correct you on one thing, the race you called Eridar are the Protos. The Eridar are the race that the Drani of WOW are from. The Zerg are just frightening ( the swarm), the basically infect you with their DNA that is also composed of all other life forms they have infected keeping the best traits. Think the Borg from Star Trek tng but organic. Hence the term “going Zerg”
Old school White Dwarf Space Marines were said to have been drawn from among prisoners. I kinda like that they kept the idea of that in Starcraft.
Just wanted to say I love your work man!
However, I remember this cinematic for Starcraft 2 came out in 2007, when Blizzard revealed Starcraft 2 to South Korea. This cinematic is literally a full year older than the film Iron Man from 2008...
Except the trailer for iron man also released in 2007 which showed the armor up scene. Common themes show up the same year all the time in many mediums. Mostly cause the ideas that get greenlit by executives are often the same.
@@dlpheonix Yes, but the point I was making was that Starcraft 2 simply did it first. The Alpha testing and trailer was shown earlier in the year, while the Iron Man trailer came out many months later. I was out of country at that time when the Iron Man trailer dropped, while the Starcraft trailer was revealed long before I had left the US.
@@shadowshandbro no Ironman was shown at comic con as well as the starcraft trailer. Also the facf that something that would take a year minimum to animate alone let alone plan you think was decided by something shown only a few months prior is interesting.
@@dlpheonix I may have worded it wrong. If I am wrong though, oh well.
To be fair, Everything in the WarHammer universe is OP on a scale that defies reason when compared to most other universes.
Tingles and chills, that's what watching these opening cinematics do to me. Thanks for covering them, also, the game is free now, for the most part
Eh, the thing about Starcraft marines is that their guns are OP as fuck. Those are Gauss assault rifles that can shoot through starship armor. They could kill an astartes standing still.
Now, an astartes won't stand still and is both faster and has a lot better aim and reaction time.
A Star Craft Marine needs an average of 80 shots to kill another star craft marine, that's almost five seconds of spraying and praying.
Also, while Terran Marines can pump an astartes full of holes, the astartes can just keep going while full of holes.
So, you'd need a squad of marines to deal with a single astartes and even then if they fight in anything but flat open ground the astartes will run circles around them and pick them off.
Where the astartes would lose is an armwrestling contest. Those armors are NOT a joke. They can lift tons. They are powered by TWO fusion reactors in the shoulders.
Now, a veteran Marine mercenary, one who can use the equipment to it's fullest potential, who can, unlike the marines you get in game, hit a moving target, is an average astartes' equal. On flat ground that is. Close quarters urban warfare with low visibility or god forbid, a forest, they would be toast.
On the other hand the Terran marine would win underwater. Yes, astartes can fight underwater too, but terran Marines are faster here, cause their armors can better compensate for the water resistance and the slower astartes are easier to hit.
Yep, this is true. Wait until he finds hour that Zerg as a race are better than the Tyranids. Granted, they'll still lose to them due to scale (Because honestly, Hive Fleets and having trillions of organisms fight what amounts of several billion isn't quite fair.).
I would say that the Terran are like imperial guard but better funded per capita. So guardsmen in power armor is about right. They don't have the abundance of people that the imperium has.
The Zerg are like the Tyranids but more fleshed out since stories are actually told from their perspective.
Protoss don't really have a 40k equivalent. Their tech is Tau like and their powers are a bit Eldar like, but really they are their own thing.
"Fleshed out"
It's a pun and you probably didn't even notice.
The sc2 Marines are slightly mechanical and bio engineered but they are more like a guardsmen in power suits.
I feel bad af for anyone that will never know the sheer FEELS of hearing Zeratul say "my life... for Aiur"
For a 40k comparison, the Protoss (the one you called Eldar) are actually a lot closer to Space Marines than the Terran Marines are.
Instead of being crammed in a Dready, the Protoss slap their injured into Dragoons (or Immortals after the fall of Aiur) so they could keep fighting
Funny thing is that the marines from SC2 are like, the 'weakest' attacker unit in starcraft.
Ever hear of Domion Troopers ? Those are of the likes of Imperial Guard, just a man on flack armor and "a gun".
The Star Craft Space Marines are more like putting a Penal Legionaire or Militia Volunteer into a Space Suit with armor plating.
The Armor of General Warfield was penetrated by Hydralisk spines all the time, so it is not particular tough. I would rank them below the Solar Auxilia in combat power.
People like Raynor, Warfield or Tychus Finlay - about Company Commanders in seniority - would be equal to maybe one rank-and-file Astartes.
Exceptional Ghosts like Kerrigan or Nova might be the equal to a rank-and-file Officiao Assasinorum field agent.
# While reported Star Craft was created as a Warhammer 40k Game (with Marines, Eldar, Nyds as Facitons) but they failed to get a license, it is clearly it has evolved far from that idea.
Would would a Tyranid do with 40k Marine armor? Im barely casually into the Lore.
@@adrenjones9301 I can not fully parse the question. Please elaborate.
@@christopherg2347 I dont know much about Tyranids, but i assume they are kinda like Zerg?
As in, they have ground troops that do the fighting.
What would a Hydralisk or Zergling equivalent Tyranid do to a 40k Marine´s Power Armor/the whole Astartes.
Would they slice through the armor? Would they use Acid?
@@adrenjones9301 Ah okay. Well, Tyranids are 75% melee troops. 20% Acid or Spine shooters. 5% psionic.
The Zerling equivalent would be a Gaunt I guess. And it would not do much to the armor solo. However the Nyds have uncountable numbers. And Astartes have exceptionally low numbers.
A balanced battle would be like 8:1 in favour of the nyds. And the armor would hold up pretty well, but numbers could still win.
@@christopherg2347 Oh yeah, thats vastly superior to Starcraft Marines, we´ve seen plenty of cinematics where the Zerglings simply overwhelm spacemarines.
Even ingame, you get 2 Zerglings for the price of a Marine and they win easely in a straight 2v1 fight.
fun fact - Starcraft was supposed to be a game in the 40k universe, but a copyright conflict prevented this from happening
1) Когда проходил кампании, каждый раз в финале пускал слезу. Чёрт. Я взрослый мужик. Но даже сейчас смотря видосы, каждый раз, пробивает на слезу. Это великолепно.
2)Всё понял, сказать не могу. Но keep doing, what u doing, bro.
Yeah protoss is what tau will be like if they have the tech of a tau, and the mentality of the imperium, and the skills of an eldar.
Starcraft 2 is over 10 years old, and it still has a lot of players. And there is still a pro scene (for minimum 2 more years).
It should be said that blizzard has announced they won't be doing more development on the game, except for balance patches. But that being said, the game is probably at a great state, maybe best ever.
The world championship is starting next weekend!
If you want to get into 1v1 starcraft, hit me up and i can help you. There is also the campaign, and they've added coop with heroes and special factions.
StarCraft was originally meant to be a Warhammer RTS however the deal fell apart so they published there own game.
in cinematics heroes of the storm unreliable information about the ability of armor to withstand a nuclear explosion, there it is done just for beauty. I'm sorry if it's not written correctly, I don't speak English well
Been playing this game for over a year, and while it’s much more niche, it also means are community is more commited, and I love Starcraft 2, best game ever
Starcraft and Warhammer are both near and dear to my heart.
In the heart of the swarm trailer, you remember that thing that fell and blew up like a nuke? That is a Gorgon(?) Class Battlecruiser, which is a spacefaring aircraft with a super lazer cannon, a hyperspace jump and ordinance i cannot remember its proper name. its crew is massive enough to count as a small city, if not larger.
Behemoth is the biggest battlecruiser class, which no doubt was the one crashed onto the city. Gorgons are typically air supports.
In Heart of the Swarm cinematic, those are boarding torpedos, organic boarding torpedos...
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but.... look at the size of the Zerg Leviathan (that big thing that was dropping the bio-pods), remember the size of the Terran battle cruiser that crashed into the city... and realize that BC is like 1/10 - 1/20 the size of the Leviathan.
Still play co-op and some custom maps (haven't laddered since Wings of Liberty)
in some artwork, they absolutely dwarf the god damn Hyperion (Raynor's flagship)
Every time I don't get the drop from that doom song I stim 10% off my life prematurely
I believe the first trailer is actually shown first in 2007 in Seoul not 2010.
The story behind her in Sc1 was so sad then when this game came out so good
I still have to play the Legacy of the Void, but I no lifed this game for a long time beforehand. I highly recommend playing it.
I was stoked when I heard this was coming out back in the day because I was a big fan of the first one.
in the heart of the swarm opening you see quite a few of the most iconic terran units. the marine, siege tanks, and the ship crashing into the surface is the terran battlecruiser.
as far as the critiques on starcraft 2 were some iconic units were removed while new ones were added that didn't fit the same roles of the units lost.
From my understanding StarCraft Marines undergo extensive mental "resocialization" since they are convicts and given various steroids to be their size and stimulants during battle to improve their effectiveness in combat, but you are right. It's wrong to compare StarCraft Marines to Warhammer Marines. StarCraft Marines are the Imperial Guard if you gave them future steroids and good equipment.
I know it's a year later, but you do know they tried to sell this game idea to games workshop BEFORE it became "STARCRAFT" Proper, right?
You're right a Space Marine wouldn't stand a chance against an Astartes 1v1. However, I think the Terran Space marines would win a "war" or battle. Space marines are just convicts with nothing to lose in Astartes level power armor. There are tons of them with plenty to replace them. While not Astartes in power level, their pretty damn close-ish. Supported by essentially with the same artillery and armor support that the Imperium has. So simple overwhelming force would win through attrition.
I have always loved Blizzards cinematics. One from SC1 that gave me the chills was when Tassadar merged his energy whit the core in his carrier Gantrithor and become a PSI nuke that he crashed on Overmind.
I would love to hopefully explain a bit of the lore as best as i can if you want. I also could name off every unit and structure within the game
haven't played the game in years. still watch every sc1 and sc2 season or tournament they put out. scene is still alive and doing well. it will never die in korea.
actually the protos are inspired by the eldar and not the tau, the first starcraft was even ment to be a warhammer 40k game before blizzard made it to something own because they did not wanted to work with games workshop and pay for the licens
Comparing SC2 to 40k I like comparing a tragedy to an action movie.
Both are great.
However, SC2 actually has an ending. A rather happy one id say. Something I can never imagine happening to 40k.
Warhammer 40k is so hilariously over the top that there is no point in thinking how they fare in other universes, much less StarCraft that is more futuristic and less gothic. Moreover, physics do not exist in 40k, much less tactical armour design or realism. That's the beauty of 40k. It's so unreal that's fun.
glad to see someone else instantly thought of stitch
Should stop watching these reactions - the urge to install and play the campaigns again burns me :D
I believe the Wings of Liberty trailer came out in 2007, so prior to Iron Man.
The drawing of the Salamander is SIIIICK
His reaction to the Ultralisk was me when I first saw this trailer !
This is from so long ago but seeing the reactions of someone who hasn't played the game is amazing. Im still playing and not great but im also one to use mods to enhance the play and think of it as alternate paths. Doesnt mean i dont try for 100% achievements though.
originally starcraft 1 was planned to be in warhammer uniwerse but later blizzard changed mind. thats why there is a similirarity between theese two uniwerses
Maybe not a regular Marine armor as in the cinematic, but a UED Marine would be another story.
man i really hope the UED returns, one expedition fleet and they nearly brought the entire sector to its knees
Kinda late watching this. I'm SC1 child. Almost half of my childhood :) So obviously I jumped onto SC2 when it came out. I'm too old to play it competitevely, but campaigns are still quite good, even though lore and story get at least a little bit shaky near the end.
I would suggest playing everything even just for the story. And if you don't want to spend money on Starcraft: Remastered (quite good job done there by Blizzard), there's mod for SC2 called "Starcraft: Mass Recall" which remakes all SC1 and SC:BW (including bonus campaigns released later) in SC2 engine. WoL campaign is currently free as part of F2P version AFAIR.
And once you finish campaigns there's CO-OP mode which allows some chill plays with heroes and campaign units. Though most of commanders are payable and with recent news about Blizzard it might be hard to give them money :/
6:45 Probably not, depending on the specs. These guys aren't transhuman like the Astartes, they're just guys in armor. Most of them are convicts resocialized/brainwashed into being extremely compliant and loyal, however, so they aren't cowards by any means. Their main purpose is to simply overwhelm their opponent by sheer numbers and volume of fire, and their life expectancy is measured in minutes, if not seconds. Unlike the Astartes, they can be produced very quickly and in large quantities, which is their main advantage. They do have automatic railguns with a _lot_ of ammo capacity, though.
7:21 That's made up for Heroes of the Storm/that trailer. In-game, these guys get _obliterated_ by nukes.
“Would a space marine be able to fight an Adeptus Astartes? No. Obviously not. Isn’t that one of the main themes of 40k? That everything in it is so incomprehensible that it is on a completely different scale than any other universe?
i play it still every now and then. There are still tournaments mainly in Korea.
It is not a secret that the terran are heavily inspired by 40k space marines, the zerg from the nids, amd the protoss from Eldar.
It's generally accepted that more times then not the average Space Marine would lose to the Adeptus Astartes, but it's not a one side stomp for the Adeptus Astertes either. imo based on the data I've seen people present, Astartes win a conservative 65% of the time. In terms of armor, they're some what equal, in terms of weaponry, the marines have a more impressive standard weapon then the standard Astartes Pattern Bolter. But in terms of what's using those arms armor? The Astartes win out 100%. You're lucky to find a marine with military training, let alone that wasn't a convicted prisoner. Meanwhile the Astartes is literally better then the best of human potential with extra organs and decades of training minimum. It's like an out of shape hillbilly with a neat gun fighting a top of the class special forces soldier that's been on a dozen tours of duty in his full field kit. Of course the hillbilly will win sometimes, he's got a gun. But the special forces is going to mop up the hillbilly's exhumed bowels and blood most of the time.
90seconds, that's all they needed. all they fought for.
of course they weren't stupid enough to believe to liberate a planet with 8 ppl.
90seconds until the teleport gateway is online, was all they needed.
Yup another British youtuber I fell in love with
Dude I'm glad you're watching this and reacting to it nowadays. SC2 has always been my favorite game besides the first one. The Protons are amazing. Blizzard did great on the campaigns and the cinematics. Oof
Ah yes, Tony Stark only started building his suit like that in the MCU, not in the countless comics he has been in before ;)
Cant hate for calling the marines in Starcraft marine-lite. They are meant to be disposable soldiers and not unstoppable juggernauts. Poor fellas.
Yeah i consider them more like... guard-premium. More gear, more incentives to keep em alive, but they are not bioengineered supersoliders. They are just regular blokes in power armor.
@@mobiuscoreindustries Funnily enough SC marines closer to Adepta Sororista than Astra Militarum .
I don't know enough about Warcraft40K to give a definitive answer, but I do think the Astartes has the edge over the Terran Marine. The Marine's combat armor is not necessarily that durable within the Starcraft universe, as the vast majority of weapons of its time can punch through it. And I would say that the Bolters are of larger caliber then most weapons used by the terran infantry. The Astartes also definitely ahve a biological advantage over the Terran marines. the Astartes, from my understanding are genetically crafted to be the perfect super soldier, while terran marines tend to be average citizens. There are cybernetic upgrades that improve thier abilities, as well as chemical stimulants as well that improve reaction time. But overall, Astartes are superior biologically. However, there is a chance taht the main infantry weapon of the terran marine, the C14 Impaler Gauss rifle, is capable of penetrating the Super Marine's armor. Their weapons fire 8mm 'spikes' utilizing Gauss technology, and more often then not those 'spikes' are depleted uranium, adding even more armor penetration power. The combat armor also is designed to give Terran marines the ability to track and shoot fast moving targets, including aircraft. So these weapons have enough power to penetrate armor plating on some vehicles and aircraft, as well as the organic armor plating of most Zerg.
So...I'd say that while the Super Marine likely has the edge over the Terran Marine in most categories, the Terran Marine could actually potentially injure or kill an Astartes, if he's able to get rounds off and hit something vital.
I could be wrong, like I said I don't know Warhammer40K enough to know exactly how strong SuperMarine armor is, but unless told otherwise, I think the Terran Marine might have a chance.
Man Gamesworkshop really lost out when they they decided to take away the license for Warhammer 40K when blizzard was working on the first StarCraft game. So they just took the three races they already had made, space marines, tyranid, and Eldar an made them into the Terran, the Zerg, and the Protoss.
I used to play on my brother computer, really like it a lot .
Everyone talking about Starcraft marine vs Space marine, I want to see Protoss vs Necrons.
I came for starcraft and I stayed for your drawing...
The first trailer was actually released before Iron Man in 2007.
Fun fact
Originally Starcraft was meant as Warhammer game, but blizzard didnt manage to buy the rights.
So they decided to make the game anyway and just create the original universe from scratch.
As for the question Astartes vs terran space marine...
Yeah 1v1 astartes would won easily. Albiet not instantly.
However, Astartes vs Ghost/Spectre...
Rip Astartes.
Psionic Lash their spine out of their mouth
(Both ghosts and spectres are still regular humans btw in biological sense)
The Zerg is meant to be tyranid counterpart, yes. And they are very close in broad strokes but there are very key differences. For startes Zerg does have actual leaders which can reason perform diplomacy. (Not just Kerrigan, who is infected human ghost)
And then there are Protoss, which could be considered Tau conterparts, except their leadership is actually closer to the imperium of men...
Its a little bit complicated.
But zerg keeps evolving and adapting.
Protoss just keeps their high tech as it is (until leagacy of the void at least) with very heavy religious dedication to their homeworld.
1. This game came out after the merger of Activision and Vivendi.
(You’re thinking of SC1)
2. This game came out after Iron Man
The Terrans as far as I can tell would get rekt in Warhammer, the Protoss would get rekt I mean they're almost extinct already in starcraft, but the Zerg would be ridiculous since they can evolve instantly across the whole swarm no matter where they are upon consuming biomass. The rate of their evolution would be absolutely bonkers when given access to the biomass of warhammer.
I think a Starcraft space marine, according to the SC lore would go toe to toe with an astates, they have guass weaponry, which does explode similar to bolters, and they have very similar armor to the astates, among other things, I would not be surprised if the astates came out in top, but his feathers would have been ruffled for sure.
Not really. An Astartes outside of his power armour can beat fully armoured SC marine. Lets not forget these guys are just normal humans in power armour.
we necron have gauss weaponry too you know
@@necridthenecron1498
Let just say that both universe have differing definition of "gaus weaponry".
blizzard cinematics were always epic. Starcraft's in particular
''regular human?'' about tychus, who looks more juiced up than Rhonnie
in game nuke friendly fires every terran marines. face visor are most likely for photon(light particles) exposure and EMP shielding which also happens during nuke explosion but only helps if you are enough distance from epicenter
He put down both the regular visor and the blast visor, likely to protect his eyes from the flash over protection from the blast, which would not have likely hit him or he'd be at like, 100 or 200 hp, or dead, depending on what unit you use. And within lore just strait dead. Period.
His reaction to the Ultralisk and Archon was beautiful lol
the dudes that made starcraft in '98 were warhammer fans, so yeah, starcraft universe is warhammer lite, but still cool
yes still playing. Yes enjoyed it a lot. Mostly lives off of its Esport to be honest though
When Blizzard falls, the cinematic team *had BETTER* go and make movies.
Wings of Liberty : Let's go find and save my GF
Heart of the Swarm : I need revenge because revenge is good and Im edgy
Legacy of the Void : Raise your armors. Today, We gonna kill a god.
The best blizzard game ever made... you should play it, you'll enjoy it!
I actually just recently got into Starcraft. There is still a large and highly active playerbase (in fact the largest ever) but it doesn't get that much attention from Blizzard anymore so there are some minor bugs and balance issues that are unlikely to be resolved
When I last played it there were still updates
I'm sure if you know the Lore of both 40K and starcraft you know that 40K space marines would cut through swaths of starcraft marines... but the star craft Cinematics are top tier.
there is no consistency in starcraft. you have normal units which are meat shields and hero units which are absolute bullet sponges. also the marine you see in the HotS trailer is raynor and he didn't launch the nuke. the blonde lady did.
for the second trailer you mentioned starscream. there is actually a song in the game called "terran up the night" that directly compares starscream to the transforming jet saying
"We've got our own transformer,
The rough and tough Viking.
He can fly, and doesn't cry like that little girl Starscream"
safe to say there was some inspiration there
as for new starcraft games, blizzard basically stated that SC2 is it and its going to be it for a long while
10:55 Cadia stands!
The fiesta trailer released before Ironman 1
2015 was 6 years ago...
Jesus christ, what happened?
Wings of Liberty launched 2 years After the Activision acquisition of Blizzard Entertainment.
"it's like putting a guardsman in a power armor, essentially"
erm..well, yes, exactly, that is a correct assessment of what is going on here: unlike the Imperium the Terrans are actually _good_ at logistics and as such can send out their rank and file soldiers in gear that is capable of making them effective on the battlefield instead of ritualistically handing them a completely useless weapon as part of putting them onto the battlefield in the hopes that you have more soldiers than your enemies have bullets.
now, after that exactly correct assessment of what is going on why does he go on to compare a Marine to an Adeptus Astartes instead of to a guardsman?
as for the heart of the swarm trailer...I think I'll just say this to put the scale of things into perspective: you see those ultralisks running around? the big chonky boyz with blades for arms? yeahhhh...each of those things is roughly the size of Godzilla.
"dad bod" and then its a man who looks to be 400 pounds of muscle
I loved your reactions, really cool person.
Don't dis Pepsi! They use to have the 6th largest fleet of warships in the world at one time.
to be fair us warhammer fans are like the dragon ball community we compare our universes to others witch is dumb because it doesn't matter who would win because everyone is strong in their own universe plus its just fiction.
Astartes are many Hundreds years old high trained Soldier.
A SC Spacemarine is a Criminal in a Amor and a Gun, droppt on a planet with a Postit "survive
7:45 The thing is that Finley and Raynor have custom armors and heroic toughness, that take a lot more beating than a normal Marine. They would be better compared to special characters like chapter masters, or even primarchs, especially their HotS versions.
10:00 Between the Zerg and the Tyranids, the Zerg are the superior Starship Troopers The Bug knockoff.
If I had to decided which franchise knocked off Starship Troopers' Mobile Infantry better, it's tougher. Terran Marines are a great evolution of book and RPG mobile infantry, while 4oK Imperial Guard are a great evolution of movie mobile infantry. Space Marines are everything I hate about book mobile infantry subjected to 30 years of unchecked narrative power creep.
11:10 I never noticed before that she's standing on the stature of Mengsk that toppled in the previous scene. Kerrigan can be so petty when it comes to her revenge on the man who betrayed her.
Individual Starcraft space marines would be better then a Guardsman, but worse then an Imperium Space Marine. But Starcraft marines can be fielded in Guardsman numbers, so they can overwhelm Space Marine squads in attrition warfare
Warhammer is the Superman and Emperor Palpatine of sci fi gaming, UNLIMITED....POWER!!! It's not fair to compare the two marines classes because they are not within the same universe