A lot of wrong and misleading info here, especially about ignite. Check out the mage discord to get your mechanics correct. You aren't even calculating the ignite tick number correctly. It is also modified by improved scorch/CoE.
don't even bother mate, there is no way a youtuber would want you to know about the class discord and sims. It would render there channels completely irrelevant, which they are ofc but still so many ppl out there that don't know where to get the correct infos.
@@solitzpvp4166 There's nothing stopping youtubers from relaying the correct information in their videos. In fact going through discords and spreadsheets to then put it all into one video is much easier for people to consume and visualize.
That reddit post is wrong, ignite stacks don't get replaced at all. The mage discord has a bunch of explanations on how ignite works, as well as proper sims to figure out stat weights, which depends on how many (fire)mages you have in the raid. There's also a newer Ignite weakaura that shows some additional threat info which will be quite useful.
Threat is a real thing so keeping ignites up as long as possible will most definitely kill the mage with the crazy damage. Wiping on twins from mages doing this will be a "blast"!
I love all these people making guides, promising it includes all the info needed, and then not even have ½ of what is neccesary to excel at a high level. Don't get me wrong, i appreciate the videoes, but don't promise more than you can keep.
why do you take fire blast cooldown talent? i like having the range a little more or even flamestrike crit%. I never really use fire blast in raids except to squeeze a tiny bit more damage out in the last .2sec of a boss fight.
The only usage of Fireblast in fire specc is when you are on combustion and on the last crit when you cast your last fireball inside combustion you are using fire blast at the same time so they can both crit
why would you take improved fireblast in Deepfire tho? I would go with 2x Incinirate + 2x Flame Throwing (not as useless as it seems) over 2x improved fireblast and 2x Arcane Meditation (according to my calculations you need the fight to last around 10 mins to get enough mana for 1 fireball from this talent).
Don't have tear yet but I have Mind Quickening and TOEP, would you advise popping TOEP first with combustion to get higher ticks of ignite and then MQG after combustion falls off?
its so fucking annoying....ppl asking questions yet Fearstreet is not answering...forcing ppl to join his discord to get answers regarding weakauras and other stuff...and sadly some answers arnt found in discord...or complicated to find, anyway thnx for the content i guess
I actually have a lot of problems with my aggro now in raids.. if the ignite ticks higher and higher the Tanks in my raid cant deal with it anymore. Do you guys have any tips? I use lips allready but this just helps for a few secounds. I also make a call for every mage cast frostboalts so the ignite goes off.. but its kind of sad because i have to slow down so often
Amazing. I will follow you man. Im thinking about trying to create pyroblast crit spec with t2... I wont be hardcore bis gear i just want t2 xD do you think its possible to make it?
Многие гайды полная чушь. Почему люди не качают throwing ? ведь дальность дает фаер магу игнорить большую часть механик босса как у ханта. Это единственный кастер с такой дистанцией. Короче дистанция жизненна необходима бывает на многих боссах. Incinerate халявно дает 4% крита. Мы все равно кастуем 5 раз для бафа, так почему бы не повысить крит? и Flamestrike!!! о боги! почему все игнорят его:? ведь это дает целых 15% крита! а это основное аое у фаер мага. Талант дает взрывной показатель крита и заливает пачки мобов диким разовым уроном, обдавая их ещё и ignite. Родное у мага я доводил до 26% крита. 26% крита Карл! теперь плюсуй сюда крит от талантов и от всяких баффов в рейде. И почти каждый второй фаербол будет крит. Фаер маг реализуется исключительно от крита. Он живет от крита. Почему? да из за ignite. этот талант дает целых 40% как дот эффект от первоначального урона. разогнанный фаер маг долбит за 3т (может и несколько больше, зависит от условий) с фаербола с крита и +40% урона ещё. нехило так? плюс он возвращает 30% маны если крит. У мага достаточно возможностей восстановить ману. Evocation, мажорки маны, демон камни, и рубины маны. Более чем хватает. Тем более не забывайте. Та разница маны к примеру в 1-1.5т маны мы нивелируем критами и восстановлением части потраченной маны.
YOu can use robes of volatile power! Enigma are a bit above but you can save dkp or epgp to get something more useful like a weapon or gloves/belt/ring/cloak from c'thun
This is incorrect. The value of crit compared to spell power for a fire mage is dependent upon five things: number of fire mages in the raid; mage team avg spell power, crit rating, and hit rating; and fight duration. I'd suggest you review the data gained from simulation experiments here github.com/ronkuby-mage/fire-mage-simulation for a much more detailed explanation. e.g. for a 5 mage team with avg hit of 95% and 650 spell power on a 2 minute fight (raw.githubusercontent.com/ronkuby-mage/fire-mage-simulation/decision-tree/plots/crit_equiv/crit_frostbolt_low_e1_u120_h95_n5_ss50000.png): @15% avg crit the next crit is equivalent to ~17 spell power @40% avg crit the next crit is equivalent to ~8 spell power
Would be same thing but instead of opening with fireball you open with pyro (abit of a waste as your output of dmg would be more with 2 fireballs in the same time you casted pyro) if you have t2 pyro on proc
when you get bracers and chest keep them for farm specc and try to farm rockfury bracers! The t2 set isn't good unless your RNG loves you! You can't rely your whole dps on a 10% procc
It varies based upon your gear and how many mages are in your raid. There is no set value for fire when looking at crit % = SP. It varies far more than frost.
A lot of wrong and misleading info here, especially about ignite. Check out the mage discord to get your mechanics correct. You aren't even calculating the ignite tick number correctly. It is also modified by improved scorch/CoE.
don't even bother mate, there is no way a youtuber would want you to know about the class discord and sims. It would render there channels completely irrelevant, which they are ofc but still so many ppl out there that don't know where to get the correct infos.
@@solitzpvp4166 There's nothing stopping youtubers from relaying the correct information in their videos. In fact going through discords and spreadsheets to then put it all into one video is much easier for people to consume and visualize.
Where can I find this mage discord?
can i get an invite to the mage discord
@@HisNameIsKevin discord.gg/XrctpY
That reddit post is wrong, ignite stacks don't get replaced at all. The mage discord has a bunch of explanations on how ignite works, as well as proper sims to figure out stat weights, which depends on how many (fire)mages you have in the raid. There's also a newer Ignite weakaura that shows some additional threat info which will be quite useful.
So an ignite thats doing 5k ticks will keep doing 5k even if you try to keep it going with ignite Crits?
@@Fearstreet528 yes
this makes crit worth more than anything basically, at least 15 sp
Can you link these please, which mage discord are you talking about.
@@chuckmezhir1245 Wouldn't the value go down with the amount of mages in the group?
Threat is a real thing so keeping ignites up as long as possible will most definitely kill the mage with the crazy damage. Wiping on twins from mages doing this will be a "blast"!
I love all these people making guides, promising it includes all the info needed, and then not even have ½ of what is neccesary to excel at a high level. Don't get me wrong, i appreciate the videoes, but don't promise more than you can keep.
why do you take fire blast cooldown talent? i like having the range a little more or even flamestrike crit%. I never really use fire blast in raids except to squeeze a tiny bit more damage out in the last .2sec of a boss fight.
The only usage of Fireblast in fire specc is when you are on combustion and on the last crit when you cast your last fireball inside combustion you are using fire blast at the same time so they can both crit
@@stefdraenar7364 verry nice comment
Careful with that reddit post. Some of the ignite mechanics are wrong for classic
Link to the google sheet?
He said in the video that it is in his discord
@@Elennpto can we have his discord link plz
dude says he'll post links and no real links
In his discord probably
Nicely done!!
why would you take improved fireblast in Deepfire tho? I would go with 2x Incinirate + 2x Flame Throwing (not as useless as it seems) over 2x improved fireblast and 2x Arcane Meditation (according to my calculations you need the fight to last around 10 mins to get enough mana for 1 fireball from this talent).
Don't have tear yet but I have Mind Quickening and TOEP, would you advise popping TOEP first with combustion to get higher ticks of ignite and then MQG after combustion falls off?
Yes definitely
Thank you for all your work 😊👍
Can you share that WA for full t2 proc pls?
Could you share the weakaura for NW proc pls? Can't find any
its so fucking annoying....ppl asking questions yet Fearstreet is not answering...forcing ppl to join his discord to get answers regarding weakauras and other stuff...and sadly some answers arnt found in discord...or complicated to find, anyway thnx for the content i guess
Hey, I really like this video. btw, is that possible to share your UI? whats the name of that interface addon?
SpartanUI
hey is there any macro or anything for boss fights that when you get a netherwing proc to throw a pyroblast isntead of a fireball when you spam?
You just have to be paying attention
There is a weak aura..check google
What’s the weak aura/addon you use for the nether wind focus sound?
22007
Great video!!!
Hi what addon are U using for UI bars and map? I like it
This may be SpartanUI
I actually have a lot of problems with my aggro now in raids.. if the ignite ticks higher and higher the Tanks in my raid cant deal with it anymore. Do you guys have any tips? I use lips allready but this just helps for a few secounds. I also make a call for every mage cast frostboalts so the ignite goes off.. but its kind of sad because i have to slow down so often
its CALLED DROPPING IGNITE HELLO?????? dont blame your tanks when you dont even know how to drop ignite
grab the ignite weak aura
make sure every single mage in your raid has the same weak aura
and say drop ignite. you have to be clear to other mages to stop. if they dont, then they are retard shitters and deserve a gkick asap.
where is the link to the wa's?
All the links referenced are in a spreadsheet that we don't have access to?
discord
Who's dps does the ignite ticks count towards?
First person that crits
9:50 what addon?
Worth it to throw in fire blast on CD or no?
hi,whats ur addon name?
u change minimap and action bar
can you put links on description?
Thaaaankssss!!!
What's the name for your UI ?
no links in the discord =(
Mage link channel bro 😁
@@Fearstreet528 I must have been blind last night looking lol thanks bro nice vid = )
You need to follow up and show us your UI build
I've been waiting for 15 years to skill Fire again ♥
Only to get wrecked by arcane mages in tbc.
Amazing. I will follow you man. Im thinking about trying to create pyroblast crit spec with t2...
I wont be hardcore bis gear i just want t2 xD do you think its possible to make it?
hi, can u link the google doc plz
can we get links to ur talent calcs
Some specs I see for fire some go pryoblast and some dont ?
you should never run pyro if u have more then1 fire mage in the raid
Usually you need pyroblast so you can get blatz wave! Blatz wave is insane for aoe cause it proccs ignite and reduces movement speed of the mobs
Frostfire 2/36/16 is the way. You don't need full T2 for PvP AT ALL.
54 talent points total?
Многие гайды полная чушь. Почему люди не качают throwing ? ведь дальность дает фаер магу игнорить большую часть механик босса как у ханта. Это единственный кастер с такой дистанцией. Короче дистанция жизненна необходима бывает на многих боссах. Incinerate халявно дает 4% крита. Мы все равно кастуем 5 раз для бафа, так почему бы не повысить крит? и Flamestrike!!! о боги! почему все игнорят его:? ведь это дает целых 15% крита! а это основное аое у фаер мага. Талант дает взрывной показатель крита и заливает пачки мобов диким разовым уроном, обдавая их ещё и ignite. Родное у мага я доводил до 26% крита. 26% крита Карл! теперь плюсуй сюда крит от талантов и от всяких баффов в рейде. И почти каждый второй фаербол будет крит.
Фаер маг реализуется исключительно от крита. Он живет от крита. Почему? да из за ignite. этот талант дает целых 40% как дот эффект от первоначального урона. разогнанный фаер маг долбит за 3т (может и несколько больше, зависит от условий) с фаербола с крита и +40% урона ещё. нехило так? плюс он возвращает 30% маны если крит.
У мага достаточно возможностей восстановить ману. Evocation, мажорки маны, демон камни, и рубины маны. Более чем хватает.
Тем более не забывайте. Та разница маны к примеру в 1-1.5т маны мы нивелируем критами и восстановлением части потраченной маны.
I am firefrost atm, had a chromagus with 30k ignite ticks (each tick), that was fun although i died because was too slow on the lip.
Will volatile power be valued higher in AQ 40? first person to crit gets thoe sweet ignite ticks
No.
did it really need a 14min video to say cast fireball instead of frostbolt
Every bis list I've seen has the 2% crit robe as bis
Enigma robes are bis. Regardless, not a big deal. Use whatever you have. Bloodvine, archmage or volatile power is all fine.
Until aq gear bloodvine chest is bis, unless you have an abundance of hit gear elsewhere
YOu can use robes of volatile power! Enigma are a bit above but you can save dkp or epgp to get something more useful like a weapon or gloves/belt/ring/cloak from c'thun
Great video! Can you or someone go over an AOE rotation for fire please?
Spam arcane explosion as always 😁
Legit lay down 1 flamestrike then spam arcane explosion lol
man its cd>pom>flamestrike>coc>ae(coc on cd)
@@Fearstreet528 It's best for all the mages to spam flamestrike with improved Flamestrike talent to roll ignites on trash.
trinket frostnova flamestrike blastwave arcane explosion then run away
how can this have more likes than dislikes?
how do you get spell power tab on the character menu like that?
Addon like extended character stats
Solid content bro, but you're cutting like crazy. Write a script or smth
SP > Crit. Private servers had the wrong values and crit was more important. Not the case in classic though, SP is better.
This is incorrect. The value of crit compared to spell power for a fire mage is dependent upon five things: number of fire mages in the raid; mage team avg spell power, crit rating, and hit rating; and fight duration. I'd suggest you review the data gained from simulation experiments here github.com/ronkuby-mage/fire-mage-simulation for a much more detailed explanation.
e.g. for a 5 mage team with avg hit of 95% and 650 spell power on a 2 minute fight (raw.githubusercontent.com/ronkuby-mage/fire-mage-simulation/decision-tree/plots/crit_equiv/crit_frostbolt_low_e1_u120_h95_n5_ss50000.png):
@15% avg crit the next crit is equivalent to ~17 spell power
@40% avg crit the next crit is equivalent to ~8 spell power
I stopped watching when I saw his spreadsheet. He doesn’t value stat weights correctly, and his rotation is wrong. Do some homework dude..
Can i make a t2 pyroblast crit spec? ;]
Would be same thing but instead of opening with fireball you open with pyro (abit of a waste as your output of dmg would be more with 2 fireballs in the same time you casted pyro) if you have t2 pyro on proc
@@ICPooPoo ill try to think talent build with pom and test it out ofc xD if thats even possible
I just need bracers and chest of T2 to complete my set, but, i have 539 SP, doing insane dmg, i just want those 2 pieces so i can respec to frost/fire
when you get bracers and chest keep them for farm specc and try to farm rockfury bracers! The t2 set isn't good unless your RNG loves you! You can't rely your whole dps on a 10% procc
1% crit is worth approximately 14 Spell Power
It varies based upon your gear and how many mages are in your raid. There is no set value for fire when looking at crit % = SP. It varies far more than frost.
Actually it entirely depends what your SP is at.
Concrete 💯
So many adds, ugh 😑
brawl stars
First
cheating
Classic? Gross