GE, Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney: Who Rules the Engine Market?
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2022
- A few names dominate the aircraft engine world. The companies leading the market are General Electric, Rolls-Royce, and Pratt & Whitney. When glancing out from your window seat, you are looking probably at one of their engines. In today’s video, let's take a look at the various engines and the aircraft they power!
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My preference is the engine that has been meticulously maintained by the airline.
RR is just behind the curve!!
JA Form 1. Don't worry it's impossible to make any mistake with certified planes or the FAA stops you immediately.
I thought now a days engines are kinna leased by airlines, and engine manufacturers store spare parts and do repairs for the airlines
Agreed,
The RR fanblades are heavier so when one fails you have a massively unbalanced condition that will tear up lots of things. I don't know if RR has newer better martial in their fan blades or not!!
My two fav engines are the GE90 and the RB211. Very different sounding and looking engines...but both are awesome, IMO.
Yass!!!!!! The Rolls Royce Engines i love as well
And the roller coaster that the RB211 caused
Just one correction - For the last 50 years RR PLC has been a completely different company from the much smaller RR car company (single factory, subsidiary of BMW).
Yes, they make cars.
The commentator said the company made a name for itself in automotive circuits which is true regardless that they are a completely different company now, regards.
@@anthonyxuereb792 It's misleading therefore needed a little correction. Gives the definite impression they're the same company (which the video maker probably believes).
Understandable error as they both kept the same name and logo.
RR Aviation and car are completely different comoanies.
Yes It's different but when BMW have wanted to bought RR automobile, they had to buy RR aviation
I do get a sense of national pride seeing the Rolls Royce logo stamped on engines at airports
Me too😊
I say jolly good. Let's have some tea.
you shouldn't, considering the poor response RR made to the Trent engine failures on the 787.
Interesting that GE and P&W had to form Engine Alliance to compete with the RR Trent.
What is so interesting with that, some companies and countries understand the strength of cooperating. Still good that RR is still around.
I envision Rolls Royc ending big fan engine manufacturing. @@hurri7720
Yeah but i don't know why but more airline company like Emirates likes the Engine Alliance compared to Rolls Royce to power up their A380s? 😂
@@_RExclusive
Simple. There was issues with the Trent 900, RR did not respond very well to those issues, and thus Emirates and other A380 users, changed from the Trent 900 to the PW7000 on their orders. Can't blame them.
As far as I know, RR also makes a lot of engines for private jets ... (and not just them). It would be nice to see a video made by SF about this area of the aviation, too! Thank you for your great work!
Yes it is a big business section for them
Correct…’Pearl’ engines
Not as much as Pratt and Whitney Canada, they lead the small gas turbine market.
RR also makes ALL of the new engines for the B-52H
RR also is a major Military Jet manufacturer a market where the USA is VERY RELUCTANT to allow external competition, see above
RR almost died with the infamous RB-211 for the ill fated Lockheed Tristar
French Safran survives with partnerships, the former Snecma with partnerships with among others RR.
RR are big in the larger Turbo Prop business through their purchase of Allison
Noted that both GE and P&W have their biggest sales through joint ventures in Commercial engines while RR has successfully worked in joint ventures in Military engines
FROM UK we need to have manufacturing AND design abilities across several manufacturers across the world and we need to bring in new partners to work with the 3 such as Australia.
I've always been a huge fan of the Rolls Royce Engines and especially on the 757s even tho the 757s are out of production but still i love the RR engines on the seven fives the most!!!!! The RR's are nice on the A350s and on the 787s also 👌 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
RB211 on 757 is quieter than the PW's
Yeah, great power and amazing sound!
RB-211’s on the 757 are great.
In my 29.5 year Airline career over 23,000 hours of it was powered by PW engines. Never a single burp or hiccup!
But now entire fleets are grounded due to hiccups in P&W engines..
@@tiwaringpwhich plane?
@@nikolina872 airbus a320 neo ‘s P&W
@@train_xc they are fixing that by 2025
Not at all what I expected. I honestly thought Rolls Royce would be the biggest market share holder. But when the video mentioned that they only make engines for wide body jets, it makes sense that they hold the smallest market share.
Don't forget they went bust some time ago and had to rationalise their product range. I think they purchased Allison turbine for the lower end of the aviation market and some other overseas companies to broaden their spectrum especially into the maritime sphere.
Not to forget the US government anti compete policy with foreign companies.
My preference is Rolls Royce engines, have full confidence and feel a sense of pride when onboard an aircraft fitted with RR engines
Its all in your warped sense of imagination.
My favorite engine is the RB211-535C, the perfect roar on the B757!
I have no favorites. But some history.. P&W was a world leader in jet power.. the jt3 , jt8 ( which is still in use ) and the venerable jt9 which brought economy of scale to air travelers, then You have the Rb211, the first break through in the concept of 3 spools ( fan sections) which allowed for truly high bypass and high power with OUTSTANDING fuel economy. Then GE with its ability to pool talent and resources to make ever increasing performance and refining of engines to prefom at levels that are unimaginable.. so weather your DC-10's CF-6 is crawling to take off, the 727-200's jt-8 Whistling into the gate or an L-1011's RB-211 smoking like a coal powered steamer during start up.. all of these engines will get done.
Clearly YOU have a passion with knowledge of Jet Engines and their history. Try writing a Book, yes old fashioned, but I have used computers from the days of Fortran, Algol, Cobol sp? and later Pascal. Very different today. Books are still important despite IT. Paper usage went UP not DOWN as predicted wrongly as IT developed. Waste paper rocketed and Ink through the roof! When you write include the WW2 Germans, we Brits claim Sir Frank Whittle, held back by British Stubborn Civil Service, but as a Brit amazed at German Science and Engineering.
Yeah, you clearly have no favorites :D
Purely on sound... the RR RB211 is my favourite 😍
YEAH!! 🤩
I think by itself CFM should be the biggest by volume of sales, thereby making safran a major player.
But CFM is 50% owned by GE. I think in calculating share size this post already took CFM into account.
@@kenoliver8913 CFM is partially owned by GE .. but its still in essence a separate entity ..
@@3storiesUp it’s a joint venture. Safran is as important as GE in this alliance
Rolls Royce. My favourite sound is the taxiing Vickers Viscount, music to my ears like Classic FM. 😊
I've never flown on a 777 and I hope when the time comes it's powered by a GE-90 I love the sound it's very similar to the ones on the a321 neo
Let me help you out.
777-300ER - GE90-115B only
777-300 (Non ER) - GE90, RR Trent 800 and PW
777-200LR - GE only (GE90-115B or 110B)
777-200 and 200 ER - GE90- (Commonly the 90B and 94B but 85B on some BA aircraft), RR Trent 800 (892 or 895), PW4000.
On British Airways 777-200s they have both RR and GE engines
G-VXXX are GE engines
G-YXXX are RR Engines
G-XXXX are GE engines too
United 777-200s are mixed GE and PW but idk the registrations for them.
If you want GE90s I recommend just looking for a 300ER flight but the GEs on the 777-200 series sound incredible with a grunt/roar sound to them
The worlds most efficient turbine to date is the RR Trent XWB that powers the A350. It`s expected to be overtaken by the GE9X but this engine which powers the B777X still hasn`t entered service because of said planes delays so we won`t know for sure till then. In the meantime Ultra-fan promises worthwhile gains in fuel efficiency in the near future so long as it can be accompanied by expected reliability.
what plane will the ultrafan goes on?
@@markn6941 I`d guess we`ll see it first on A350 as the demonstrator is in that output range, but isn`t the B787 in more need of a fuel efficient engine? RR have indicated that they await interest from the aircraft manufacturers before committing themselves to too much expensive development, but it seems they are in a good place to get started once interest is shown.
None-!@@markn6941
@@edwardwilcox6606Ah? Lol
Looking at the market it looks like GE dominate Boeing aircraft and RR dominate Airbus aircraft. I do think the days of offering multi choice engines on aircraft in the future has gone, the 787 being the last aircraft to have 2 engine choices.
Correction: A320neo
@@mohidahmed4739 Correction. The last new build aircraft being the 787 to have muti engine choice.
But having a choice of engines is a big adavntage for airlines - it mitigates risk (if one manufacturer's engine is grounded ther'es always the other) and also allows more price negotiation. This makes a design with a choice of engines more attractive and so boosts the airframe maker's sales I don't think that logic has changed so I expect thee will be future designs offering an engine choice, especially among narrowbodies where there is more competition.
Fascinating
P&W Has an even bigger reach when you consider turboprop engines too. P&W engines can be found on dash 8's worldwide not to mention the extensive reach of the PT6 on many smaller turboprop commercial aircraft.
Also not mentioning Pratt Canada with business Jets!
I'm from Derby so it's got to be Rolls Royce
Yep. Grew up in sight of A and D sites.
Former Boeing Everett.... been up close and personal with the GE 9X used on the Triple 7 (777). It's easy to remember because G = Gigantic, E = Engine, 9 = nine feet diameter of main fan. It's so big it won't fit inside a 1 story building. With engine and cowling the GE 9X stands about 1 1/2 stories tall. The 2 GE 9X's on 777 and 787 have almost as much power as the 4 smaller engines on 747. Pilots say planes equipped with it is like a powerful sports car. It might not allow Triple 7 to go 'vertical', but it can sure get close to it on extreme takeoff.
Not mentioned here - some engines are better optimized for LONG HAUL flights, while others are optimized for takeoffs and landings (ie. short jumps).
GE90 engines for eg. were developed for use in the middle east.
Also, some engines are more expensive up front, but will pay back their expenses with savings.
Also the MAINTENANCE is key as some areas have nil for engine O/H services.
GE90 for the middle east... eh? As far as I can tell BA was the launch customer (for a short time in 1995-6) and while Emirates bought a lot of GE90 777s, I can't easily find any evidence for that.
@@Anolaana EK used RR as their choice of the 3 choices on their 3 -200’s, 6 -200ER’s and 12 -300’s (P&W or RR as the GE90 wasn’t actually certified for the non ER variant due to no orders). Only from -300ER they used GE due to being exclusive engine
You are full of it.
I was used to seeing the Pratt & Whitney eagle on the engine cowlings of Air Zimbabwe's Boeing fleet in the 80's & 90's as a kid. At the time didnt know GE & Rolls-Royce also made engines.
My favorite sounding ones are the old CF6-6’s and 50’s Older RB211’s and the legendary JT9D’s. Early GE90’s sound great also
@ Simple Flying Now that you have covered engines, please make a similar video about the APU's.
As a 787 mechanic that works on both engine choices (GE/RR), we universally prefer the GEnx engines, only from a maintenance point of view.
Can I ask what about the Trent 1000 you find worse for maintenance? I'm only interested as I have never worked on a GEnx.
@@MJM26 I'll keep it short. Fluid leaks.
@@schurb oh ok. I only ask as I've worked at RR for a short period now and trying to learn from others. Are the leaks from general pipework around the core? Or around the gearbox, filters etc on the case?
@@schurb
That's one thing. What I also hear from the gas turbine techs I know, is that RR engines are often needlessly complicated in their design.
I grew up with Rolls Royce Dart Engines around . Learned a lot from RR through the years . Great company !
Hi Charles
I retired from Hants & Sussex Aviation 18 months ago
We overhauled RR Darts for decades
Also saw one in the lobby of the Smithsonian air & space museum in Washington DC
I have begun to ❤️the GE engines for there development in technology.....
…and for the GE90-115B’s legendary howl during spool ups.
@globetrotter7778 don't forget the ge9x!
I don't know much about jet engines or what engine is on what plane. One thing I do know, though, is that, to my eyes, the Boeing 787 is a beautiful looking plane from the outside. I'd love to experience being inside one.
Three of them, are manufacturing very charming jet engines. But personally I love Pratt and Whitney company for its quality and its very powerful research center ( specially on super alloys fields)
You should do a video on largest MROs for ending overhaul.
❤️❤️❤️ beautiful video ❤️❤️❤️
Learnt lots. Thank you! Don’t forget some 777s are PW powered a couple of really rare A318s actually had a PW6000 engine. I believe Avianca used them.
PW4084s/4090s on 777-200A & ER, and 777-300 (not ER). The PW4098 was a bust - ask Korean Air.
Lab Chile was the original operator on A318/ PW6000
*typo* Lan Chile
For some reason i love GE engines , they look and sound cool
I couldn’t agree more. So powerful engines
Oh man the startup sound of the GE90. Fantastic!
P&W has been kicked out the widebody market now as Boeing has gone with GE and Airbus RR
They were not kicked out.. they left of thier own accord.. more money to be made elsewhere..
General Electric and Pratt & Whitney insisted on a winner-take-all contract due to the $500 million investment in engine modifications needed to meet the requirements. GE bought their way onto the 777-300ER by subsidizing the development of the engine pylon - PW was not willing to do that.
The widebody market has been kicked out of the profitability market.
Well I love the pw1100g on the neo as well as the 1500g on the a 220 with its amazing whale sound.
My personal two favourites are the GE90-115B and the RR TRENT XWB-97 🔥
The RB211 isy favorite hands down. The ridiculously OP 757 rules
Indeed it does. But the famed poewrhouse 757 is the PW2000 variant. The performance of the RB211 variant is nothing particular special.
That Ultrafan is so cool
My favourite engines are the GE CF6, GE90 - 115B, GE9X, Trent XWB, Trent 900
And GE has engines on the 777-300er and the upcoming 777x
Love the look of the RR engines, love the sound of the GE90 engines and I love the low oil consumption of the P&W engines.
You completely overlooked the turboprop market. With that, Pratt & Whitney might be number 1 as their engines power the Dash 8 (100, 200, 300, 400), ATR42, ATR72, PC12, ect.
And meanwhile piston engine market is totally different landscape with Lycoming, Continental and Rotax etc...
There's also the fighter jet market, which P&W also dominates.
Rolls Royce is on another level tho. Ngl
CFM are relatively easy to work on. V2500 and PW1100 are an eternal pain in that regard.
GEnX and Trent1000 are my personal favorite when it comes to flying. But I also have a big interest in the GE Honda HF120
It's GE ...by a large margin.....then the rest fighting for the balance..
Rolls missing out on about 85% of the market..no regional or narrow body engine def.hurts their market share..
Pratt needs a new widebody engine to compete..
Doing an excellent job on the regional and narrow body markets though..
Its not missing out, its just specialization
GE is my first choice followed by the RB211 by Rolls-Royce
PW is the future engine for narrow body the efficiency will be the game changer
It's interesting to see ge/cfm and p&w have all collaborated while rr are still manufacturing there own product
I would say Pratt & Whitney, as they pioneered the jet airliner industry, with the JT3D, JT8D and JT9D. They can made with those engines some insanely good sounds. Just listen to a JT8D roar!
I worked at P&WA for a few years in the late 1970s. I worked assembling JT8s and JT9s and used to get to go up to the test cells and hook engines up for test and watch the test. It was a great job, but I had an electronics background I wanted to use.i left and got a job where I flew on some of the 737s that I probably worked on the engines when flying to Prudhoe Bay from Anchorage to get to and from work a few times a month. We used to see the customers on the assembly paper work.
Can't forget the PW J58 SR71 powerplant
My favourites are GE90, RR Trent 700 and Trent XWB
RR are my preference. XWBs are just so cool
Rollroyce's engine cowling look nice. They tend to hide the mechanisms from back of the engine.
Rolls Royce name alone is very reassuring
Is it? Is that why so many switched to PW7000's over Trents?
I think the 3 of them do a great job.
I work for GE aerospace. Kind of odd what's going on with air bus though. We aren't making any leap parts for them until they use up their stock. It's only a .002 change but apparently will reduce fuel consumption?
What change?
From the cost of maintaining a jet engine for narrow body and wide body aircraft, what engine is the cheapest to maintain and is not easily damaged?
I'm hoping to land a job at Pratt & Whitney so I'm biased based on what I hope for the future.
Rolls Royce needs to re-enter the single aisle market. See if Ultrafan pulls this off.
Ultrafan is gonna be the largest turbofan in modern times, I think it'd be very difficult to scale it down to narrow bodies
@@topethermohenes7658 At the talk given by Rolls Royce scalability was mentioned. They are going for the biggest first as proof of concept. Rolls-Royce
East says the UltraFan programme - which involves a new engine core and geared fan architecture - is scalable to provide 25,000-100,000lb-plus (111kN-446kN) of thrust, making it suitable to power single-aisle and long-haul aircraft. Source Flight lobal March 2019.
Rolls Royce is my pic, Outof the UK I think their the best. Though I do like the GE-7000 for the A-380.
Have more confidence when seeing RR on the side of the cowling.
How the hell do all of these joint ventures and cooperations work between direct competitors?
I've worked on R/R. And I know that's a class Engine.
Through the years I seen almost only RollsRoyce videos on UA-cam.
But I guessed right that GE had greater market share. If I understand it right GE as a company has muscles. So their sales organization might be bigger.
RB211-535 on the 757 is the best and the Trent 700 on the A330
Why is that the best? The famed powerhouse 757 is the PW2000 variant.
The a330s Trent 700 sounds great and looks nice.
OH, YEAH! Trent 700 sounds amazing and the best
So CFM holds 39 percent of the market. Safran is a 50% partner in CFM, giving them 19.5% of the market. This is before Safran's own products are added.
Safran's 19.5% of the market just from CFM exceeds RR's 18% share of the market, placing Safran as the third biggest engine manufacturer, and relegating RR to 4th.
But its French so nobody cares 😂 wouldn't trust them to run a bath.
Rolls-Royce aero engines centre of excellence i saw it for 30 years.
Doesn't PW also have engines on certain 777-200ers with United and other customers?
Yep. Japan 🇯🇵 airlines also
Yep, variants of the PW4000
My preference? The beautiful beast, GE90-115B
I feel RR is missing on a huge opportunity to not field their own narrow-body engine where the market is dominated by P&W and CFM International (GE-Safran). Since P&W engines are facing reliability issues with their narrow-body engines resulting in airlines grounding their planes, the market share will tilt towards LEAP engines. Hence, this segment of engines need a new player to tackle the duopoly of P&W and CFM International.
My preference is the Rolls-Royce/Snecma Olympus 593
especially when you have four of them on an airplane.
RR, The best.
Wonder how different things would be now if Britain hadn't been forced to give the USA the Jet Engine because of WWII ? we must all remember the Great Man Sir Frank Whittle, who was even dismissed by the RAF and British government for many years with his invention!!! THE JET ENGINE, he then came up with the idea of the modern bypass jet before the rest of them! The man was a genius, the rest is history as they say.
"Rolls Royce made a name for itself in the automotive market" ... well yes, but Rolls Royce Motor Cars is a totally separate company to Rolls Royce Holdings (including RR Aerospace). To the unitiated - which Simple Flying's excellent videos will appeal (as well as us aviation fanatics) - this distinct difference has just been re-muddied.
Separate now, but the name's a giveaway that it was always the case.
Realy I like this factory
Does anyone know what engines the regional jets from Embraer and Bomardier use?
I recall seeing an Allison engine on a regional jet, but my recollection could be wrong.
Bombardier use GE Passport on their Global line, and GE CF34 on their regional 900. The Challenger 650 also runs CF34's while the little Challenger 350 runs HTF7350's from Honeywell.
My preference is Rolls Royce. They are the best.
My preference is P&W, because I work there!
Rolls Royce actually mastered jet powered VTOL with the flying bedstead for the military that Bristol Siddeley then developed
RR is my preference.
Can you make a similar video on Avionics
If I buy an A320-200 aircraft, I will definitely go for cfm56 engine variant
GE makes 767 engines also and P&W makes 757 engines
I like the engine that makes the best noise!
Preference? Simple RR.
GE without a shred of doubt . . .
The GE9X on the 777x is set to be the biggest and most efficient engine
Nope the Rolls royce Ultrafan is slightly bigger and rumors are they will be used for upcoming airbus aircrafts
@@wasmiddelsap3379 But the key thing is it’s not yet in service
@@wasmiddelsap3379 the GE9X is the largest and most efficient certified engine to date .
And the Ultrafan will be used for Airbus , Boeing jets and other suitable applications 👍
@@mmm0404 yea to date thats true. But i think the maybe upcoming a350 neo will use it first.
Yeah, GE9X is 134 inch diameter fan, the current ultrafan demonstrator has a 140 inch diameter fan. I work at RR and have seen the pictures of the build, the size is just incredible! Although I'm on the same campus as the engine itself, I have yet to actually go see it in person. The good thing about the ultrafan is its ability to scale to fit different airframes as and when there are some confirmed, though my own opinion is that Airbus and Boeing want to see it in action before wanting it on their airframes. Will be interesting to see RR entering the narrowbody market with some scaled down ultrafans, as the engines they produce currently are either for smaller jets or wide body aircraft.
CFM is the best in narrow body both A320 neo & B737 Max.
CFM on A320CEO is absolute beast
For A320CEO nothing can beat the IAE V2500
in today's market as far as passenger comfort is concerned, the more quiet the engine, the more enjoyable the experience when flying. yes, safety is the #1 priority, but it's up to the airline to maintain proper maintenance so that nothing happens in the sky. fuel burns are also a factor. quiet and fuel savings will go a long way in today's modern engine design no matter who the mftr is.
Im surprised RR are third !
I assumed GE was no1 though.
P&W are not highly used in the Neo A320 family & only have engines on old out of date, soon to retire wide bodies.
RR have exclusive supply to the A350 family which was proving to be popular before the painted started falling off the planes.
By value RR will be higher, as the WB engines are larger and more expensive.
What about Safran and CFM?
Being a British guy I would have to say RR as they were the first company to manufacture Aero engines that were reliable and where the beating heart of the SPITFIRE and the American P51 and RR where the first to make Jet engines which is also a British invention (Frank Whittle)
The first jet engine went in the air in 39 and not in the UK. Later the first axial engines - which is todays technology - were as well not made in the UK. These engines powered fighters and reconnaisance aircraft that showed their tail to the Spitfire with ease.
Are you for real? Are you forgetting the P&W Wasp's?
You didn't mention the pesky problem of the RR 787 engines. (is it fixed now?) It put RR in precarious financial situation due to the costs and damage t its image.
BTW, development of the P&W geared turbofan was done jointly with the C-Series project and benefited from govt tax breaks/help at launch (Both Bombardier and P&W are based in Montréal). The C-Series was meant to have exclusivity of this competitive advantage for some period. But combination of delay of C-Series and uncertaintly on future of Bombardier resulted in P&W making the geared turbofan available to Mitsubishi's regional jet as well as Airbus who started the 320 NEO project.
P&W also makes the engines for the Twin Otter, Dash-8 and CL415/515 aircraft now part of DeHaviland Canada (but currently not being produced).
I beleive some of the ATR72s aslo use P&W engines.
It is interesting that aircraft engines are one of the few product lines that GE has not yet sold off. (turbines also part of generating units and GE, while divesting itself of many businesses, did but the energy division of Alstom some years ago to add to its nuclear plant product line).
The Trent 1000 engine is fixed, it just takes time to implement the upgrades. It was caused by internal shock waves inside the compressor housing
Airlines used to have real engine option while ordering airplanes from A or B. This was the case in particular for WB aircrafts. Most of the time engine option was down to two OEM but in few cases all three OEM were available. For example A330-300, B747, B767 and even B777 in the begging had a full engine option. A300-600 and A310 were powered by either GE or P&W. However that’s not the case anymore. With couple of exemptions aka B787 and A380 all other WB planes have no engine option anymore. A330NEO and A350 are RR only and B777 is GE only for decades. Why this happened? Well despite what they say politics on both side of the pond get involved too much.
I’m not going to blindly say GE90 like everyone else and say RB211 is my favorite. (By sound, of course)
I may be wrong but I don't think there is currently any connection between the Rolls-Royce that makes aircraft engines and the car manufacturer.
No preference at all but will definitely be more interested and detail looking on the engines next times I'll fly 😃
I mostly took 777-300 in the last months.
RR, as they’re still British. But they really need to get into the narrow body market more.