A cool note about the Sindarin rulers who came to rule over Silvan elves of Mirkwood & Lorien is that they set out to become more like the Silvan people. Tolkien says: “They were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language and taking names of Silvan form and style. This they did deliberately… They wished indeed to become Silvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it.”
Interesting it's as if more elves beyond Feanor and his kin held contempt for the Valar and not without cause What you see from the rulers of Mirkwood and Lorien is a pattern of many rulers of new dynasties throughout history where some would attempt to assimilate with their new domain where as others would seek to impose their will upon their new realm Also what's the title of your outro theme? I wonder if the men of Numenor who remained faithful sought to impose their culture upon the men of Middle Earth or followed the examples of the elven realms it could make for an interesting lore video
Do you think Aragorn and Arwen were able to meet again in the halls of Mandos? Or did they instead head to the mysteries afterlife that awaits mortal men? Either way I Hope they were Reunited.
Until now I'm still trying find out what happened to Nimrodel and her companion Mithrellas, someone who composed that lay of Nimrodel must have a first hand account of the event but must have returned to north while Nimrodel remained at edhellond for a while... What happened to them? Did they sought other haven? Did they find some other peaceful stream south of white mountains? Or did they ultimately died along the way while going to another haven? Unfortunately Tolkien did not bother to elaborate and it just perfectly added that mysterious charm to the story of the already tragic lovers,
The time and effort you put into your work is amazing. I’ve been a Tolkien fan for fifty years and love what you do here. Thank you, and please keep making these high quality videos!
Thank you SO MUCH for your support, John! I adore being able to share my love of this world with fellow fans each and every week. Looking forward to many more videos to come!
I have this thought often and find it even more remarkable that people go through such efforts to create amazing stories that we can all enjoy! Gives me hope.
Exploring Lothlorien in LOTRO for the first time was so ethereal and heavenly, even the quests there were different, and the wildlife. Paradise on Earth.
@@shinichigojir12 Hi! Some of the character models are showing age, and sometimes it's a bit slow, or need to play around with settings on a new computer. But I think it's totally worth it! They're still expanding it and giving updates to it even now. The world is so huge. There's so much lore. And the exploration of the different regions is top-notch. The visuals of the scenery and the atmosphere are beautiful, as is the music soundtrack.
@@paulbrickler Yes - this is Tolkien's amazing gift. I can't put it into words, but he makes these beautiful places just come alive and seem so hauntingly real. It's heart-moving in its power. And Lothlorien is the most haunting of all. I find myself just yearning for it to exist, or for something *like* it to exist.
Such a beautiful and tragic part of LotR, a great sense of loss. Tolkien expresses the theme of finality frequently throughout this phase of the book, a strong feeling of mortality and the passing of time. Pure poetry. Excellent video!
One of your best and most beautiful treatments. The tale of Nimrodel and Amroth especially is rarely retold, and your recitation of Legolas's remembered poem is poignant. This small offshoot of Greenwood the Great was the closest in beauty to Valinor than any other place in Middle-earth. I imagine that Nimrodel still wanders alone, sadly, among its abandoned trees, which were a home and sanctuary to many great elves, men, Maiar-and Hobbits-of old.
Sadly Nimrodel had not gone back to the land she had known...and nothing is known of her fate after she reached the haven to south and foundt out what happened to Amroth...but someone who first compose that song of Nimrodel must have a first hand account of what happened and returned north while Nimrodel stayed for a while there before going elsewhere
I’m reading the LOTR for the first time (I’m halfway through The Fellowship of the Ring) and I love these videos! It’s helping a lot. Thank you for making them, I’m really enjoying immersing myself in this world!
I literally am filled with joy for every time see a new video of yours. Thank you for your work. As a Middle Earth fan, I am very happy that we have a channel like Nerd of the Rings. Also please put more work into Nerds Strike Back channel as I also love SW universe. :)
Epilogue about Nimrodel’s legacy in Gondor: “At length they came to the Prince Imrahil, and Legolas looked at him and bowed low; for he saw that here indeed was one who had elven-blood in his veins. ‘Hail, lord!’ he said. ‘It is long since the people of Nimrodel left the woodlands of Lórien, and yet still one may see that not all sailed from Amroth’s haven west over water.’ ‘So it is said in the lore of my land,’ said the Prince”
Thanks, I appreciate the thought and care that went into this video. I always found the story of Amroth and Nimrodel puzzling for a number of reasons. How could two people so devoted to each other become separated before reaching the havens? The Elves of the ship Amroth was on saw him leap into the water, but who on shore would know he did so and never made it? And biggest question of all, what happened to Nimrodel?
Once the storm passed, the ship could have returned, or perhaps they made landfall on one of the islands or even stopped in at the Grey Havens before taking the Straight Road. After all, they were leaving Middle Earth for ever, and parting from any they knew for what could easily be thousands of years - even for elves, that's a significant parting, and not something to rush. There are other ways word could have come, but there seems little to cause the Valar to take a hand, and the Palantiri belonged to men, and, while the elves are hinted to have some ability to share thoughts from afar, the ability to pass news (particularly without the aid of a Ring or some other device) appears to be absent. The mundane explanation - that the elves aboard ship stopped in somewhere to leave word of their last sight of Amroth - seems the most likely.
Great video, as usual. One correction: In LoTR, "Lothlorien" is translated as "Dreamflower". So, the "lorien" part of the name is indeed a reference to the Valinorian realm of Lorien, not to thhe word for golden, "laure"", as in "Laurelindorinan", as you correctly note, "Valley of the Singing Gold".
Thanks for making these, so awesome!! I never knew about Dol Guldur's three attacks on Lothlorien until recently, I wonder what size the armies were used compared to Saruman's forces against Rohan or Sauron's Mordor host against Gondor.
One of the best places in middle earth. Brilliant 😍😍. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love your channel and your videos from Sri Lankan fan of you from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
Doriath sounds great to me, but I don’t think Thingol was the best ruler. Too many personality flaws. So I’m thinking Rivendell. I think Elrond would have been more my type of ruler. Lothlorien for vacation. I wonder why Arwen’s mom thought she would be safe on her own going from Lothlorien and back home to Rivendell.
In the drafts of The Lord of the Rings Tolkien was unsure whether time of the outside world "froze" while the Fellowship stayed in Lorien, changing his mind twice; according to the first scheme the Fellowship had left Lorien and passed Sarn Gebir already on 21 January. Eventually he decided that time passes normally, and had to adjust the dates and the routes of the characters, later changing their departure to 14 February and eventually 16 February (taking into account the full moon of 7 March). In the published book, the characters instead have lost their subjective sense of time after leaving Lorien.
"An Elven-maid there was of old A shining star by day- Her mantle white was hemmed with gold, Her shoes of silver - grey. A star was bound upon her brows, A light was on her hair, As sun upon the golden boughs In Lórien the fair. Her hair was long l, her limbs were white, And fair she was and free, And in the wind she went as light As leaf of linden- tree. Beside the falls of Nimrodel, By water clear and cool, Her voice as falling silver fell Into the shining pool. There now she wanders, none can tell, In sunlight or in the shade For lost of yore was Nimrodel And in the mountains strayed: The elven-ship In heaven gray, Beneath the mountain-lee Awaited her for many a day Beside the the roaring sea A wind by night in Northern lands Arose, and loud it cried, And drove the ship from elven-strands Across the streaming tide, When dawn came dim the land was lost The mountains sinking gray beyond the heaving waves that tossed. Their plumes of blinding spray. Amroth beheld the fading shore Now low beyond the swell, And cursed the faithless ship that bore Him far from Nimrodel. Of old he was an Elven-king, A lord of tree and glen, When golden were the boughs in spring In fair Lothlórien. From helm to sea they saw him leap, As arrow from the string, And dive into water deep, As mew upon the wing. The wind was in his flowing hair, The foam about him shone; Afar they saw him strong and fair Go riding like a swan. But from the West has come no word, And on the Hither Shore No tidings Elven-folk have heard Of Amroth evermore But from the West has come no world, And ond the Hiter Shore No tidings Elven-folk have heard Of Amroth evermore" 🌟 B E A U T I F U L🍁🍂🍃💯
Amazing video ! You have not only narrated a history of Lórien, but also of much that is around it, and the many events that spanned from its first settlers, to the first years of the Fourth age.
Your level of research is on another level. You should be given control of a book to series, like the rings of power, to make series of middle earth from the begin to just before the start of the lord of the rings and wrap up the series with a season or two in the 4th age.
Having watched a dozen or so of these videos, there's a genuine sadness that comes with the fates of the victors of the the war with Sauron as readin the LotR books. It is a reminder that everyone's fate is still mostly the same, except those who fell in battle obviously. The fact that Elves can experience death without actually dying makes mortality really feel like a gift. Makes one really question if they would rather choose the fate of Elrond or Aragorn.
This is another really cool video, would love seeing more Elven realms and cities explored--even lesser ones like Vinyamar or Bithrombar and Eglarest. I did have one thing I'd question: the depiction of the Laiquendi (Green) and Sylvan elves as sub-groups of the Nandor. My understanding was that the Nandor are the Teleri who stayed east of the Misty Mountains, then most of them ended up going west later and entered Beleriand to become the Laiquendi. Then after the War of Wrath, the surviving Laiquendi traveled back east and encountered those Nandor who never went west in the first place. The two groups reunited and took in some others (some Avari, also some Sindarin who became their lords) and became the Sylvan elves.
"Nandor Elves from the host of the Teleri who refused to cross the Misty Mountains on the Great Journey from Cuiviénen, but of whom a part, led by Denethor, came long afterwards over the Blue Mountains and dwelt in Ossiriand (the Green-elves); for those who remained east of the Misty Mountains see Silvan Elves. Adjective Nandorin." UT, Glossary Index "Silvan Elves Nandorin Elves who never passed west of the Misty Mountains but remained in the Vale of Anduin and in Greenwood the Great." op.cit. "Nandor Said to mean ‘Those who turn back’: the Nandor were those Elves from the host of the Teleri who refused to cross the Misty Mountains on the westward journey from Cuiviénen, but of whom a part, led by Denethor, came long afterwards over the Blue Mountains and dwelt in Ossiriand (the Green-elves)." Silm, Index of Names "Silvan Elves Also called Woodland Elves. They appear to have been in origin those Nandorin Elves who never passed west of the Misty Mountains, but remained in the Vale of Anduin and in Greenwood the Great; see Nandor." op.cit. Note, however that the derivation of the Laiquendi undergoes some changes. In some variants They are Tatyarin (i.e. Noldor who did not cross the Sea) in origin and in some they are Nelyarin (Teleri who did not cross the Sea). CT chose the Telerin origin for the constructed Silmarilion. Tolkien's latest writing had them Tatyarin (IIRC).
things moved pretty quick after the fellowship left Lorien, with the battle of the Pellenor fields being on March 15 and the ring being destroyed on March 25
Can you please convert these videos into podcasts. Often times, I just listen to your videos and don’t watch but every once in a while an ad comes. If you had a podcast version of every video it would be epic!
We are expecting a similar video about Woodland Realm of Thranduil & Legolas. Even though, Legolas is a hero - his father Thranduil is considered as a negative shaded person in Hobbits, his grandfather Oropher considered as a tragedy in War of the last alliance.
When will you do that theory episode on what would happen if Sauron used the surviving Durin's bane in the war of the ring? Still hoping, still hoping for it!
9:21 - The Vala, Irmo the master of visions and dreams, a.k.a. Lorien. Also the name of the gardens that he and his wife Este keep in Valinor. The gardens of Lorien is the most beautiful place in all of Arda!
I really wish you could understand danish and listen to a podcast by a danish historien. The podcast is called “Tolkien and the mythical jutland” where it tracks Tolkiens own travles In Jutland (eastern Denmark) where there are places called Helmens Kløft and Isegaarden and he studied Old Celtic texst. He actually ended up helping us understand a part of our history where Jutland was Independent And at War.
I wish i could too, i lived there but most danes i met spoke proper english except once when i was chiiling in Stege, Some hippy came into the house & said Piere is waiting outside, it sounded as clear as english & when i queried as to why !st said did he say that in danish, answer yes, it i understood every word said! but only that one time, the best thing i found about the danish was their Drs, so Generous so empathic so easy to confuse & attain anything, & above all the refunded the cost's of all those drugs over the yr. i love the danish ,especially the doctors
@@andrewmartlin6946 Almost Buddhist like way what? Last time I looked he didn't really like those kinds of doctrines and preferred Catholic traditions and they were a bases of many of his inspirations about good vs evil.
@Thor's Hammer Firstly Tolkien, although he practiced a Christian religion, Arda is a pantheist creation, incoporating many philosophies and spiritual notions. The universe is not boiled down to "Catholic". Secondly the idea that 'suffering' is a buddhist spiritual 'doctrine' only would not take account for the suffering also being a common theme in Christianity or Judaisim. Suffering is spread throughout the main Tolkien narratives and all religions address this in some way. I refer to Buddhism specifically because the Buddha expressed a particular trope of grasping for unchange as being the main source of suffering in life.
@@andrewmartlin6946 I wouldn't nessesarily call it pantheis. As the Valar and Ainur don't really have creative powers. Only Eru Iluvatar has the power of creation. Similar to Yahuah and Yahusha Elohim in the Bible is the only one who can create. Yah is the only creator. The Valar have slightly more grounded powers and though they can give things already created into a specific form but only with the permission of Eru Iluvatar not by their own will. And Morgoth didn't really create he used preexisting elements and lifeforms and he corrupted and defiled these already existing creations into his own wicked and lawless intentions and designs. So they aren't really like "gods or demi gods" in the pagan sense they have more in common with angelic beings if anything else. Though angels in the Bible have alot more rules and restrictions they have to abide by according to Yahuah's laws of creation which he is very firm and enforcing about and with good reason. So to me though is it definitely true Tolkien was inspired by other European cultures and languages and their beliefs and hierarchies to a certain extent which he adapted into his Mythos he wasn't however really accepting of their theology doctrines being true in his Mythos. As the story is said to end in a Biblical style Revelations endtimes kind of event ending with Morgoth and all his seed of evil being destroyed for all eternity and Eru Iluvatar comes down to be amongst his creations of Arda personally like Yahuah Elohim does in the end. It's not really like Buddha morality in the sense I think you might be thinking of applying really so I don't think that kind of connection to me doesn't seem right nor completely accurate. In his world like the Bible in the very end there is no spiritual eternal balance of good and evil light and darkness like in Eastern religions of suffering. In his world like the Bible evil dies and is eternally defeated and never was a match for the creator. Morgoth and his servants die along with all his deceit and his taint. His power in the world completely gone. Just like how Yahusha defeats the Beast and the final world empire Satan creates for the Beast. And then establishes his kingdom on the earth that goes on for all eternity. That is how I see it.
It wasnt really the land of his people, who i believe were sindar as it seems most elves of character, king thingol luthien & probably the elen blood of mellian, however Lothlorien would be pale if compared to Lorien in valinar
@@markbritton6798 1. It's Valinor, not valinar. 2. Sindar are Teleri by origin and Silvan elves are also Teleri by origin. 3. We don't know who was Legolas' mother. She might be from Silvan elves.
It seems that few people actually read The Lord of the Rings or they would know that Gwaihir the Wind Lord was sent by Galadriel to find Gandalf on the mountain where he was sent back after his battle with the Balrog. While Gandalf is conversing with Gwaihir the eagle tells him that it was Galadriel that instructed him to find Gandalf and to take him back to Lothlorien. This information Gandalf shares when he is reunited with Aragon and the others as they were seeking Merry and Pippin. We never get to hear about how Galadriel knew that Gandalf had returned but it was just after the remaining fellowship left Lothlorien that Galadriel sent the eagle on this mission. Apparently Galadriel had some knowledge that the average human and elf did not also have.
The better comparison would be Urlacher, Briggs with marinelli being flues’ mentor. We run cover 2 more than cover 3.. anyways, I’m excited for these backers. Their size even mimics urlacher and Briggs. They probably won’t be as good but that’s not a bad thing
When he said, “The ring was destroyed,” right after talking about Nenya, I was so confused and thought I missed something REALLY important. Then I saw the date and I realized he meant the ONE ring. Haha
A cool note about the Sindarin rulers who came to rule over Silvan elves of Mirkwood & Lorien is that they set out to become more like the Silvan people. Tolkien says:
“They were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language and taking names of Silvan form and style. This they did deliberately… They wished indeed to become Silvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it.”
Interesting it's as if more elves beyond Feanor and his kin held contempt for the Valar and not without cause
What you see from the rulers of Mirkwood and Lorien is a pattern of many rulers of new dynasties throughout history where some would attempt to assimilate with their new domain where as others would seek to impose their will upon their new realm
Also what's the title of your outro theme?
I wonder if the men of Numenor who remained faithful sought to impose their culture upon the men of Middle Earth or followed the examples of the elven realms it could make for an interesting lore video
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Do you think Aragorn and Arwen were able to meet again in the halls of Mandos? Or did they instead head to the mysteries afterlife that awaits mortal men? Either way I Hope they were Reunited.
The passage in the appendices where Arwen returns to a deserted Lothlorien to die breaks my heart every single time
Faithful unto death.
That song/poem about Amroth and Nimrodel is so beautifully sad. Tolkien really knows how to pull your heartstrings with those lines
damn, Tolkien have so many Love Stories
Until now I'm still trying find out what happened to Nimrodel and her companion Mithrellas, someone who composed that lay of Nimrodel must have a first hand account of the event but must have returned to north while Nimrodel remained at edhellond for a while... What happened to them? Did they sought other haven? Did they find some other peaceful stream south of white mountains? Or did they ultimately died along the way while going to another haven? Unfortunately Tolkien did not bother to elaborate and it just perfectly added that mysterious charm to the story of the already tragic lovers,
The time and effort you put into your work is amazing. I’ve been a Tolkien fan for fifty years and love what you do here. Thank you, and please keep making these high quality videos!
Thank you SO MUCH for your support, John! I adore being able to share my love of this world with fellow fans each and every week. Looking forward to many more videos to come!
This was really good of you man.
How did you do that?
Wow sir, I admire your generosity. 🙏🏻
@@Aeros802the superchat option is right there in the comment bar, it's a heart shape with a dollar symbol in it.
It's really cool how much we as a species appreciate stories of greatness and beauty, even fictional ones.
It really is!!!
@Whofan 998 Keywords here are greatness and beauty
I have this thought often and find it even more remarkable that people go through such efforts to create amazing stories that we can all enjoy! Gives me hope.
As my old dad always said " don't let the truth get in the way of a story
Of a good story, pardon me
This channel doesnt get enough credit for his intros. The way he enunciates and the mood he sets really gets me in the mood for some LotR content.
Yep hard agree
For sure
I love getting baked and watching these. The vibes are perfect AND I learn stuff about my favorite fictional world
The passing of Celeborn to Valinor and the emptiness of Lothlorien always makes me sad
Exploring Lothlorien in LOTRO for the first time was so ethereal and heavenly, even the quests there were different, and the wildlife. Paradise on Earth.
Is it still a good time to start this game
@@shinichigojir12 Hi! Some of the character models are showing age, and sometimes it's a bit slow, or need to play around with settings on a new computer. But I think it's totally worth it! They're still expanding it and giving updates to it even now. The world is so huge. There's so much lore. And the exploration of the different regions is top-notch. The visuals of the scenery and the atmosphere are beautiful, as is the music soundtrack.
I haven't forgotten how peaceful and ambient Lothlorien is. Everytime you walk through the halls, you can hear the elves singing in a choir.
Crazy to think how the song is from the Golden Wood instead of the Galathrim
'Ambient' is such a great descriptor. It just, IS. And that's enough.
Thats not the same place as Lorien which is in in Valinor
@@paulbrickler Yes - this is Tolkien's amazing gift. I can't put it into words, but he makes these beautiful places just come alive and seem so hauntingly real. It's heart-moving in its power. And Lothlorien is the most haunting of all. I find myself just yearning for it to exist, or for something *like* it to exist.
Three sad stories about elvish ladies in one video. Thanks for making me cry!😭
Such a beautiful and tragic part of LotR, a great sense of loss.
Tolkien expresses the theme of finality frequently throughout this phase of the book, a strong feeling of mortality and the passing of time.
Pure poetry.
Excellent video!
The Song of Nimrodel is such a beautiful piece of poetry.
One of your best and most beautiful treatments. The tale of Nimrodel and Amroth especially is rarely retold, and your recitation of Legolas's remembered poem is poignant. This small offshoot of Greenwood the Great was the closest in beauty to Valinor than any other place in Middle-earth. I imagine that Nimrodel still wanders alone, sadly, among its abandoned trees, which were a home and sanctuary to many great elves, men, Maiar-and Hobbits-of old.
Sadly Nimrodel had not gone back to the land she had known...and nothing is known of her fate after she reached the haven to south and foundt out what happened to Amroth...but someone who first compose that song of Nimrodel must have a first hand account of what happened and returned north while Nimrodel stayed for a while there before going elsewhere
The writing of Tolkien never cease to amaze me more and more, the poetry/ story telling is amazing.
The Sylvain elves have always interested me so much more than any others, wish there was a huge amount of lore on them.
Lothlorien will always hold a special place in my heart.
I’m reading the LOTR for the first time (I’m halfway through The Fellowship of the Ring) and I love these videos! It’s helping a lot. Thank you for making them, I’m really enjoying immersing myself in this world!
Lore videos are the best way to fall asleep after a bad day. Good lore, good pacing and damn good voicing.
good background music too
I literally am filled with joy for every time see a new video of yours. Thank you for your work. As a Middle Earth fan, I am very happy that we have a channel like Nerd of the Rings. Also please put more work into Nerds Strike Back channel as I also love SW universe. :)
By far your best! What a great telling of this story, thank you!
this is by far my favorite video of yours...the poetry made me weep.
I love the lore of the Mallory seeds which comes from the Dunedain of Numenor gifts to the High King Gilgalad.
outstanding episode. Well Lothlorien is very interesting, but your voice with the poem of nimrodel and amroth was purely epic. Thank you for the work!
I found myself getting very sad at some points 🥺 what a wonderful video. 👍
Epilogue about Nimrodel’s legacy in Gondor: “At length they came to the Prince Imrahil, and Legolas looked at him and bowed low; for he saw that here indeed was one who had elven-blood in his veins. ‘Hail, lord!’ he said. ‘It is long since the people of Nimrodel left the woodlands of Lórien, and yet still one may see that not all sailed from Amroth’s haven west over water.’
‘So it is said in the lore of my land,’ said the Prince”
This. This sort of small lore drop with significant implications is precisely the kind of thing that makes fiction feel deeper and more immersive.
Lothlorien is the most beautiful place I have ever seen in film.
Thanks, I appreciate the thought and care that went into this video. I always found the story of Amroth and Nimrodel puzzling for a number of reasons. How could two people so devoted to each other become separated before reaching the havens? The Elves of the ship Amroth was on saw him leap into the water, but who on shore would know he did so and never made it? And biggest question of all, what happened to Nimrodel?
Once the storm passed, the ship could have returned, or perhaps they made landfall on one of the islands or even stopped in at the Grey Havens before taking the Straight Road. After all, they were leaving Middle Earth for ever, and parting from any they knew for what could easily be thousands of years - even for elves, that's a significant parting, and not something to rush. There are other ways word could have come, but there seems little to cause the Valar to take a hand, and the Palantiri belonged to men, and, while the elves are hinted to have some ability to share thoughts from afar, the ability to pass news (particularly without the aid of a Ring or some other device) appears to be absent. The mundane explanation - that the elves aboard ship stopped in somewhere to leave word of their last sight of Amroth - seems the most likely.
Thanks for the video Nerd of the Rings!!
Great video, as usual. One correction: In LoTR, "Lothlorien" is translated as "Dreamflower". So, the "lorien" part of the name is indeed a reference to the Valinorian realm of Lorien, not to thhe word for golden, "laure"", as in "Laurelindorinan", as you correctly note, "Valley of the Singing Gold".
I'm always blown away by your Tolkien knowledge. Thank you for all of your videos. I love them!
Every video that notr puts out, always seems to end so beautifully sadly. I tear up every single time. Thank you for what you do.
Moving rendition of the history of an enchanting region (even if it is a fantasyland, it's beautiful)!
Thanks for making these, so awesome!! I never knew about Dol Guldur's three attacks on Lothlorien until recently, I wonder what size the armies were used compared to Saruman's forces against Rohan or Sauron's Mordor host against Gondor.
Just when you thought things couldn’t get better, you outdo yourself. Great episode!
I wish I knew how Tolkien beautifully created such a vast legendarium.
That and Debbie kills me every single time so funny 🤣🤣 great video
One of the best places in middle earth. Brilliant 😍😍. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love your channel and your videos from Sri Lankan fan of you from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
RoP needed to hire nerd of the rings to keep the story authentic
If I was given a choice to live in any Elven realm, it'd be either Lothlorien or Rivendell.
Gondolin
I'd choose The Grey Havens. Possibly be an apprentice to the shipwrights of old.
Gotta be Vinyamar for me
Doriath sounds great to me, but I don’t think Thingol was the best ruler. Too many personality flaws. So I’m thinking Rivendell. I think Elrond would have been more my type of ruler. Lothlorien for vacation.
I wonder why Arwen’s mom thought she would be safe on her own going from Lothlorien and back home to Rivendell.
Rivendell isn't a realm.
Thank you so much for this beautiful channel and your wonderful narration bringing these old words to life. ❤️❤️
In the drafts of The Lord of the Rings Tolkien was unsure whether time of the outside world "froze" while the Fellowship stayed in Lorien, changing his mind twice; according to the first scheme the Fellowship had left Lorien and passed Sarn Gebir already on 21 January. Eventually he decided that time passes normally, and had to adjust the dates and the routes of the characters, later changing their departure to 14 February and eventually 16 February (taking into account the full moon of 7 March). In the published book, the characters instead have lost their subjective sense of time after leaving Lorien.
At least they didn't suffer the Urashima Taro/Rip van Winkle curse of time displacement.
Irmo would be proud of Galadriel 's acts.
Also, could you invite Orlando Bloom for an interview and ask him to recite the poem of Nimrodel.
I'm just glad the show is over and I can enjoy Tolkien content without the pollution.
"An Elven-maid there was of old
A shining star by day-
Her mantle white was hemmed with gold,
Her shoes of silver - grey.
A star was bound upon her brows,
A light was on her hair,
As sun upon the golden boughs
In Lórien the fair.
Her hair was long l, her limbs were white, And fair she was and free,
And in the wind she went as light As leaf of linden- tree.
Beside the falls of Nimrodel,
By water clear and cool,
Her voice as falling silver fell
Into the shining pool.
There now she wanders, none can tell, In sunlight or in the shade
For lost of yore was Nimrodel
And in the mountains strayed:
The elven-ship In heaven gray,
Beneath the mountain-lee
Awaited her for many a day
Beside the the roaring sea
A wind by night in Northern lands Arose, and loud it cried,
And drove the ship from elven-strands
Across the streaming tide,
When dawn came dim the land was lost
The mountains sinking gray beyond the heaving waves that tossed.
Their plumes of blinding spray.
Amroth beheld the fading shore
Now low beyond the swell,
And cursed the faithless ship that bore
Him far from Nimrodel.
Of old he was an Elven-king,
A lord of tree and glen,
When golden were the boughs in spring
In fair Lothlórien.
From helm to sea they saw him leap,
As arrow from the string,
And dive into water deep,
As mew upon the wing.
The wind was in his flowing hair,
The foam about him shone;
Afar they saw him strong and fair
Go riding like a swan.
But from the West has come no word,
And on the Hither Shore
No tidings Elven-folk have heard
Of Amroth evermore
But from the West has come no world,
And ond the Hiter Shore
No tidings Elven-folk have heard
Of Amroth evermore" 🌟
B E A U T I F U L🍁🍂🍃💯
Always a great pleasure to watch, thanks.
My favourite channel about Tolkien.
This incredible channel makes Middle Earth seem so real 😍
all the Shire was made golden by the flowers... i dont know why but that almost made me cry.
It’s incredible that all of this came from the mind of one person
Those Nandor were relentless!
They just never relented.
I see what you did there!
Amazing video ! You have not only narrated a history of Lórien, but also of much that is around it, and the many events that spanned from its first settlers, to the first years of the Fourth age.
One of your best episodes.
Thanks so much
Thanks again for another good video. You always show me new things that I didn't know before about Middle-Earth.
BY FAR MY FAVORITE CHANNEL. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
Amroth is underrated!
Not a bad way to start my late Saturday night❤️
Your level of research is on another level. You should be given control of a book to series, like the rings of power, to make series of middle earth from the begin to just before the start of the lord of the rings and wrap up the series with a season or two in the 4th age.
Having watched a dozen or so of these videos, there's a genuine sadness that comes with the fates of the victors of the the war with Sauron as readin the LotR books. It is a reminder that everyone's fate is still mostly the same, except those who fell in battle obviously. The fact that Elves can experience death without actually dying makes mortality really feel like a gift. Makes one really question if they would rather choose the fate of Elrond or Aragorn.
This is another really cool video, would love seeing more Elven realms and cities explored--even lesser ones like Vinyamar or Bithrombar and Eglarest.
I did have one thing I'd question: the depiction of the Laiquendi (Green) and Sylvan elves as sub-groups of the Nandor. My understanding was that the Nandor are the Teleri who stayed east of the Misty Mountains, then most of them ended up going west later and entered Beleriand to become the Laiquendi. Then after the War of Wrath, the surviving Laiquendi traveled back east and encountered those Nandor who never went west in the first place. The two groups reunited and took in some others (some Avari, also some Sindarin who became their lords) and became the Sylvan elves.
"Nandor Elves from the host of the Teleri who refused to cross the Misty Mountains on the Great Journey from Cuiviénen, but of whom a part, led by Denethor, came long afterwards over the Blue Mountains and dwelt in Ossiriand (the Green-elves); for those who remained east of the Misty Mountains see Silvan Elves. Adjective Nandorin."
UT, Glossary Index
"Silvan Elves Nandorin Elves who never passed west of the Misty Mountains but remained in the Vale of Anduin and in Greenwood the Great."
op.cit.
"Nandor Said to mean ‘Those who turn back’: the Nandor were those Elves from the host of the Teleri who refused to cross the Misty Mountains on the westward journey from Cuiviénen, but of whom a part, led by Denethor, came long afterwards over the Blue Mountains and dwelt in Ossiriand (the Green-elves)."
Silm, Index of Names
"Silvan Elves Also called Woodland Elves. They appear to have been in origin those Nandorin Elves who never passed west of the Misty Mountains, but remained in the Vale of Anduin and in Greenwood the Great; see Nandor."
op.cit.
Note, however that the derivation of the Laiquendi undergoes some changes. In some variants They are Tatyarin (i.e. Noldor who did not cross the Sea) in origin and in some they are Nelyarin (Teleri who did not cross the Sea).
CT chose the Telerin origin for the constructed Silmarilion. Tolkien's latest writing had them Tatyarin (IIRC).
that ending always gets me :,)
the only LOTR channel that isn't annoying :)
things moved pretty quick after the fellowship left Lorien, with the battle of the Pellenor fields being on March 15 and the ring being destroyed on March 25
You should see the Halo games. A lot has happened from the Fall of Reach to the Battle of the Forerunner Ark.
Can you please convert these videos into podcasts. Often times, I just listen to your videos and don’t watch but every once in a while an ad comes. If you had a podcast version of every video it would be epic!
We are expecting a similar video about Woodland Realm of Thranduil & Legolas. Even though, Legolas is a hero - his father Thranduil is considered as a negative shaded person in Hobbits, his grandfather Oropher considered as a tragedy in War of the last alliance.
Damn. The last part about Arwen is just sad.
When will you do that theory episode on what would happen if Sauron used the surviving Durin's bane in the war of the ring? Still hoping, still hoping for it!
Well done, that was a fantastic summary and recitation of a piece of Tolkien Lore…💡🔥☀️⭐️
:) I miss this place.
Excellent indepth video. Loved it!!!
Nimrodel just vanished? dang, she wins a Daytime Emmy for that performance.
9:21 - The Vala, Irmo the master of visions and dreams, a.k.a. Lorien. Also the name of the gardens that he and his wife Este keep in Valinor. The gardens of Lorien is the most beautiful place in all of Arda!
I really enjoyed watching your video. They are all very good but this one stood out a little bit more to me for some reason. God-bless...
wow thank you for blessing us with a 20 minute video❤
I really wish you could understand danish and listen to a podcast by a danish historien. The podcast is called “Tolkien and the mythical jutland” where it tracks Tolkiens own travles In Jutland (eastern Denmark) where there are places called Helmens Kløft and Isegaarden and he studied Old Celtic texst. He actually ended up helping us understand a part of our history where Jutland was Independent And at War.
I wish i could too, i lived there but most danes i met spoke proper english except once when i was chiiling in Stege, Some hippy came into the house & said Piere is waiting outside, it sounded as clear as english & when i queried as to why !st said did he say that in danish, answer yes, it i understood every word said! but only that one time, the best thing i found about the danish was their Drs, so Generous so empathic so easy to confuse & attain anything, & above all the refunded the cost's of all those drugs over the yr. i love the danish ,especially the doctors
As always a great video! Thanks! 👍
Next vid you should do is if Saruman new were the ring was.
Nice work I like these
What a grand episode. Thanks!
Detailed history of Lothlorian 🥰
Nice work dude
So sad to see it abandoned early in the Fourth Age :(
It's not fair these sacred places get the treatment they get.
Tolkien had a special, Buddhist like way of capturing the pain in impernance, the futility in grasping for things to remain unchanged
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Almost Buddhist like way what? Last time I looked he didn't really like those kinds of doctrines and preferred Catholic traditions and they were a bases of many of his inspirations about good vs evil.
@Thor's Hammer Firstly Tolkien, although he practiced a Christian religion, Arda is a pantheist creation, incoporating many philosophies and spiritual notions. The universe is not boiled down to "Catholic". Secondly the idea that 'suffering' is a buddhist spiritual 'doctrine' only would not take account for the suffering also being a common theme in Christianity or Judaisim. Suffering is spread throughout the main Tolkien narratives and all religions address this in some way. I refer to Buddhism specifically because the Buddha expressed a particular trope of grasping for unchange as being the main source of suffering in life.
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I wouldn't nessesarily call it pantheis. As the Valar and Ainur don't really have creative powers. Only Eru Iluvatar has the power of creation. Similar to Yahuah and Yahusha Elohim in the Bible is the only one who can create. Yah is the only creator.
The Valar have slightly more grounded powers and though they can give things already created into a specific form but only with the permission of Eru Iluvatar not by their own will. And Morgoth didn't really create he used preexisting elements and lifeforms and he corrupted and defiled these already existing creations into his own wicked and lawless intentions and designs.
So they aren't really like "gods or demi gods" in the pagan sense they have more in common with angelic beings if anything else. Though angels in the Bible have alot more rules and restrictions they have to abide by according to Yahuah's laws of creation which he is very firm and enforcing about and with good reason.
So to me though is it definitely true Tolkien was inspired by other European cultures and languages and their beliefs and hierarchies to a certain extent which he adapted into his Mythos he wasn't however really accepting of their theology doctrines being true in his Mythos. As the story is said to end in a Biblical style Revelations endtimes kind of event ending with Morgoth and all his seed of evil being destroyed for all eternity and Eru Iluvatar comes down to be amongst his creations of Arda personally like Yahuah Elohim does in the end.
It's not really like Buddha morality in the sense I think you might be thinking of applying really so I don't think that kind of connection to me doesn't seem right nor completely accurate. In his world like the Bible in the very end there is no spiritual eternal balance of good and evil light and darkness like in Eastern religions of suffering.
In his world like the Bible evil dies and is eternally defeated and never was a match for the creator. Morgoth and his servants die along with all his deceit and his taint. His power in the world completely gone.
Just like how Yahusha defeats the Beast and the final world empire Satan creates for the Beast. And then establishes his kingdom on the earth that goes on for all eternity.
That is how I see it.
Home to Lord Celeborn and Galadriel, Lady of Light
Nice telling of a good story!
awwww no special voice for Legolas? haha anyways no worries I just always enjoy the vocal dramatizations which add extra benefits to the videos
Mayhaps that is the special voice already, truth be told.
Keep up the good work! You will hit 1 mil subs soon 👏
What is the name of the music at 10:01 ? You choose so mesmerisingely beautiful music.😭😭😭😭
"Lothlórien. It is fairest of realms of our people." Legolas in Lord of the Rings.
It wasnt really the land of his people, who i believe were sindar as it seems most elves of character, king thingol luthien & probably the elen blood of mellian, however Lothlorien would be pale if compared to Lorien in valinar
@@markbritton6798 1. It's Valinor, not valinar.
2. Sindar are Teleri by origin and Silvan elves are also Teleri by origin.
3. We don't know who was Legolas' mother. She might be from Silvan elves.
@@johanabigasova6770 Legolas was the elven prince of the woodland realm was the son of thranduil, the sindar elf
@@johanabigasova6770 After the battle ,Legolas started his own colony of woodland elves in inIthil. So we know he's at least half sindar,
@@markbritton6798 yes, his father Thranduil was from Sindar(perhaps related with Elu Thingol, but there is no canon information).
It seems that few people actually read The Lord of the Rings or they would know that Gwaihir the Wind Lord was sent by Galadriel to find Gandalf on the mountain where he was sent back after his battle with the Balrog. While Gandalf is conversing with Gwaihir the eagle tells him that it was Galadriel that instructed him to find Gandalf and to take him back to Lothlorien. This information Gandalf shares when he is reunited with Aragon and the others as they were seeking Merry and Pippin. We never get to hear about how Galadriel knew that Gandalf had returned but it was just after the remaining fellowship left Lothlorien that Galadriel sent the eagle on this mission. Apparently Galadriel had some knowledge that the average human and elf did not also have.
Lorien in Valinor was Gandalf's (Olorin) chosen home
Hauntingly beautiful!
The better comparison would be Urlacher, Briggs with marinelli being flues’ mentor. We run cover 2 more than cover 3.. anyways, I’m excited for these backers. Their size even mimics urlacher and Briggs. They probably won’t be as good but that’s not a bad thing
The fellowship spent the month of February there, letting the winter pass
I use your longer videos to sleep ❤ thank you
When he said, “The ring was destroyed,” right after talking about Nenya, I was so confused and thought I missed something REALLY important. Then I saw the date and I realized he meant the ONE ring. Haha
People talk about living in the Shire but if it was up to me, I would live in Lorien in its Golden Age.
Thanks for sharing
This is why Prince Imrahil is such a cool character
Amazing video!
I would give everything to live in lothlorien with my family.
Just utterly beautiful