What Happens When a Submarine Sinks | Last Moments
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- The beginning of a new series - Last Moments, where we take a look at the ultimate fate of the USS Thresher and ask - what happens to you when you're trapped aboard a sinking submarine.
"The second USS Thresher (SSN-593) was the lead boat of her class of nuclear-powered attack submarines in the United States Navy. She was the U.S. Navy's second submarine to be named after the thresher shark.
On 10 April 1963, Thresher sank during deep-diving tests about 220 miles (350 km) east of Boston, Massachusetts, killing all 129 crew and shipyard personnel aboard in the deadliest submarine disaster ever. Her loss was a watershed for the U.S. Navy, leading to the implementation of a rigorous submarine safety program known as SUBSAFE. The first nuclear submarine lost at sea, Thresher was also the first of only two submarines that killed more than 100 people aboard; the other was the Russian Kursk, which sank with 118 aboard in 2000."
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Loved it !
Reminds me of that game that simulates being pushed off a boat and left to drown in the middle of the ocean.
Great video mate
No worse death than radiation poisoning. Except radiation poisoning in sinking submarine.
Loved the vid want to see more soon as possible
I was a young man on the USS Tusk when we lost external hydraulics running submerged. We took a 47 degree down angle, passing test depth quickly as all hands started shifting to emergency lighting and hand power hydraulics during noon meal. all hands awake falling over each other momentarily as the mess decks really got messy. Battle lanterns turned on and vital instrumentation became illuminated as main battery circuits being brought back on line. Depth gauges pinned at max. In the dark, young diving officer from somewhere growled, "Oh $#@! it !, Blow Bow buoyancy, blow forward group. (Nothing happening) Blow manifold operator unconscious. Second command barely out of his mouth when mess cook just studying for his Dolphins found the right valves in the dark and blew the tanks in the right order just as the hull was groaning and creaking. No time to pee one's self until back on the surface. Young men working together in automatic saved each other's lives. No one quit. I'm happy to be here 58 years later. May the young of today work together so all will surface tomorrow.
How did the blow manifold operator become unconscious?
Bless You Mr. Trahan. Thank you for sharing your incredible experience in service. I can't imagine that. Sad for all sailors on eternal patrol of any Nation. The last one we know of was the submarine from Argentina.
Wow,, glad you are with us friend, and Bless that mess cook...
...wow
Was the 47 nose down caused by the planes being locked into -45?
If so, did the hydraulic system lock them into that position or was control over the hydraulics lost while adjusting the planes downward?
I was in third grade when the office people came and got a girl out of our class who's Dad was on the Thresher. It was a bad year.
RW Smith do you know what rank he was and his name by chance?
So your like 70
@@bengrahl8402 64,. I was about 8 when it happened. 2023 will be 60 years. Later that same year in the same class they announced the JFK assassination. I remember both of these like it was yesterday. Like I said, it was a bad year.
@@rwsmith7638 wow
The 'turbulent' 60s was an amazing decade. In '68 they lost the USS Scorpion, too. But with the mystery of it's disappearance and the assassinations of RFK and MLK, and Vietnam, it was rolled into all the other bad news. We were still recovering from the Apollo 1 fire, too, as well as the civil rights problems.
"As is custom for a ship lost at sea, the USS Thresher was never decommissioned by the US Navy, and remains on eternal patrol."
Bro... that's deep.
Sub crushingly deep.
thats allot of back pay
In more ways than one.
Not as deep as the Thresher.
Seriously?!?!! A pun?!?! 😂
Fun fact: Robert Ballard was contracted by the navy to inspect the wreck of the Thresher and document how the tractor was affecting the ocean around it. The cover story for the mission was that he was searching for the wreck of the Titanic. He finished the mission early and used the remaining funding and time to actually look for Titanic and when he found it for real the Pentagon was hella pissed because it was supposed to have been a top secret mission lol.
Wow that's insane, I had no idea
i got to hear robert ballard speak about this a few years ago! it was absolutely fascinating
That fact was so "fun"
@@milesd.8083 I love that guy! I've read both of his books, "Explorations" and "the Eternal Darkness". Both are fabulous and his description of exploring the Titanic in "Explorations" makes for some great reading. But then the deep sea/abyss is one area I'm quite interested in.
@@jarlwhiterun7478I had a blast, personally.
Saw someone once comment: "Pilots are always guaranteed land when they have an accident, people in submarines aren't guaranteed a surface" and that's quite scary
yeah, what about a intercontinental flight?
No matter where you go in or on the ocean, you're never more than 7 miles from land. That land may be straight down though.
@@clukskin unless they just explode for no reason at the worst possible time in the middle of the ocean, planes last long enough after failure to make it across
@@clukskin F in chat for amelia earhart
-US Air force motto.."We never left any of our own Up There" ;
"eternal patrol" is so... indescribably bone-chilling. almost like a ghost ship...
Its a old submariner thing, because in the old times when they where lost in deeper water or far from base location of the wreck was basically impossible so the sub was listed as lost at sea, the crew as MIA and the patrol log, which had a copy on land, would have a departure, but not a arrival, thus being left with a patrol incomplete aka in progress.
@@fernandomarques5166 And that's exactly how I remember it.
thats how you get ghosts, my friend.
@@georgewest8468 You remember dying?! What was it like?
@@anthonyi5864 I bet it was a killer!...
Suddenly, the idea of living in the barracks of some FOB in the middle of a desert filled with IEDs seems a lot better
For real atleast getting blown up and shot is fast 😂
I'd rather hug a suicide bomber!
What's wrong with being trapped in the middle of the ocean? Much more at the bottom of the ocean.
Even better ,an AFB in Germany 😁
@@skidwarfarebo2171 you'd die faster in the ocean than being shot or blown up in most cases.
Watching this using my Playstation controller
😂
man this purple guy sure does look alot like qxir
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He's a muta fanboy. He always has those strip club lights.
He looks like a chubby Ian Curtis
That's Thanos before he became mad.
Despite being disturbing, I would like to see this become a series. There's a lot you could talk about, when it comes to people's final moments.
I think so!
@@Qxir my final moments will definately involve a boiled egg somewhere in there
I don't know. There's already channels like that. I can't remember the channel of the top of my head, "(something) nightmares" or, "nightmares (something)". Graphic imagery included.
Family guy funny final moments
@@dsandoval9396 i mean qxir could make it without Graph imagry i would really like that since im a pussy
I served on a submarine. A lot of the stuff we have to survive a sinking still won't do shit past a certain depth. It's just there to make people feel better about us going underway.
I would like to ask: How long does it take to wear escape suit? In emergency situation like blackout, all the crew will try to fix the issues, right? That means they will have no time to wear escape suit?
Unless you are in a Russian submarine, they still have escape pod on their subs, too bad it didn't help during the Kursk incident because the explosion happened too close to escape pod
@@brucelytle1144 What's it called when I searched for this manually?
@@kylehill3643 search for what?
@@kylehill3643 it's called feeling with your hands in the dark for how to open the hatch
After 3 years from publishing this video and your explanation on the implosion of the submarine, I can’t imagine what happened to the 5 crew members on the imploded titan submersible. Very disturbing and heartbreaking at the same time.
I cant imagine how they felt knowing they were going to die and implode any second
@cspuklevya411 They wouldn't have known. The submersible was designed to survive that depth so they did not have a 'crush depth' and when they eventually imploded, it would've happened faster than they could register and they would've died without any warning and very quickly.
It's better than slowly running out of oxygen I guess.
The physics of a hull implosion at 400 atm are truely fascinating. It involves the initial implosion creating temperatures of about 10000 degrees C, then a series of extremely rapid explosions and implosions until the heat is dissipated and equilibrium reached again. Being inside this zone of utter instant annihilation is beyond my comprehension. At the bottom of the Mariana Trench, the pressure is closer to 1000 atm !!!
Blink. What happened to the Titan was even quicker than that. They weren't even aware it was happening.
The UA-cam algorithm is BRUTAL...showing me this video after the actual submarine tragedy
The Indonesia incident?
@@VengefulSoul66 yup
Yeah i can't stop imagine thinking that your life won't long last 24 hour and you can't do anything just helpless😔
Same. I came from the Indonesian submarine incident. BRUTAL
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
The fear those men must have experienced makes me physically sick
Nah mate what the fuck is wrong with you
@Nah mate No, they didn't. They thought about dying.
Nah mate shut up mate acting as if you wouldn’t be terrified yourself
They were probably frantically working to correct the situation and the light went out
Sir Tristan you have no idea how you would face it
It goes down.
Forgot to mention this in the vid
@@lukastorbeyns9722 Robert, it goes down
@@mauriciocuaranta4343 is that a reference from the boat vid?
@@bo2add_a_few_charactures yes, I hope
@@mauriciocuaranta4343 It dont. It dont go down.
Ofc UA-cam recommends this video now
youtube suddenly decided to recommend this video to me because recently we have a horrible news from Indonesia's sunken submarine, RIP to the 53 crew members of KRI nanggala 402 🙏
Same
Ikr. The algorithm is crazy :(
The algorithm is so fucked up.
@@JelitaAndini its not crazy, It is Scary
No shit, whenever a large group of people watch something or u watch something, UA-cam will always have something that is similar to that pop up in your *recommended* list
Rest In Peace for all the crews of Indonesia sub marine, Nanggala 402. Fair Wind and Following Seas 😔
On Eternal patrol
😔
My condolences to all the crews family members.
update has came out today. apparently the same scenario happened like the one explained in the video, Nanggala 402 submarine has been torn into three separate pieces. RIP
They are on eternal patrol now, guarding our seas.
Submarine qualified veteran here, you did a pretty good job explaining this overall. I was impressed you touched on the diesel effect. I was not on a Permit class boat (the thresher was a permit class) so I'm not very familiar with their layout. That being said, most submarines in the world are divided into "compartments" that are seperated with water watertight methods, their water tight door or doors were probably shut during the casualty. So one could assume that the boat did not perfectly implode all at once meaning that a fairly large portion of the crew (possibly half depending on where most people were during the event) could have heard what was coming and at least for a second knew it was over. In WWII American submarines sank 1392 Japaneese merchant and naval ships, however that came at a cost of 52 US submarines with a mean loss of about 60 men per submarine lost. Most boats (submariners call subs "boats") back then had a total crew ranging from 30 to about 75 (there were several classes of us submarines). You had almost a one in four chance of dying on an American boat. Nothing but respect for the men and the one woman on Eternal Patrol from any nation in the world.
Thresher did try to blow ballast, but the incoming blast of air froze in the strainers and blocked incoming air.
The watertight doors wouldn't change a thing, it would implode at once, the water would instantly crush any space on the entire ship once hit crush depth. Fires are the scariest things on board a sub, it takes a small trashcan fire minutes to burn through usable oxygen on board. We had a fire in the laundry room when i was on the Tennessee. The lint traps are a deathtrap on those old boats. Idk how im still alive. Miss those days, the smell of amine. Its wierd lol
She was a thresher class boat bu
@@Dedhead6992 Floods are a close second, we took on over 16,000 gallons while snorkeling on Thanksgiving day in 89, we stopped the water about an inch from going in the battery well, MS2(SS).
@@tenkilosofchilli8683 Her class was officially changed to her successor's name, the Permit, after she sank. Now the whole class is called the Thresher/Permit class
UA-cam got a sick sense of humor
For real
The submarine I served on once had a fire and a flood at the same time, while sinking out. You are aware of the danger of the situation but too busy doing your job to care. I don't think anyone on a sub would just be waiting for crush depth. They would be fighting to the end.
Right on, fellow sub sailor. I served aboard 5, 4 were nukes, and it was common nature to totally rely on the mechanics and engineering that went into the planning and construction of each one. Solidly locked in the back of your head is the idea that your shipmates have your back as much as you have theirs and are prepared to step up and perform the correct emergency task and the right time.
Much as a pilot keeps trying everything on a plane going down until the impact.
A huge respect for them.
That makes alot of sense.
the second crew probably would be
I was a submarine sailor for twenty years. I used to go on watch and put my hand on the hull knowing that instant death was about two inches away. I first qualified on a diesel submarine. Being depth charge would have been harder. We are young an extremely well trained. We learn from the mistakes of other. Some where right now young men are standing watch protecting us. They volunteered. They are the world’s best by far. They trust the ship and the maintenance they perform on her. God bless them. They do routinely what lesser men only dream about. Thank you my brothers.
Much respect. One thing I've always wondered though: does the crew have access to some sort of suicide pill, should the vessel become stranded at a non-crush depth, but still out of reach of rescue?
I'm guessing, no such thing exists and the crew would sadly die from lack of oxygen?
Sorry to be so morbid, but I've always thought about this.
Steven Morahan As a 15 year submariner, I can tell you that no such thing exists.
@@ytsm suicide pill no. Small arms locker with M-9 pistols and other various suicide aiding devices....yes.
......I was attached to Submarine development group #1 , Seawolf SSN575 !
I'd be scared as hell to be on a sub. not so much in my younger days but now, no way. I have to give it to you and all others out there right now.
These recruitment videos for the Irish Navy could do with being a bit more positive.
@Maria Kelly Well, there are Irish navvies.
We have like 7 tiny patrol boats😂
Lol- I think I’m not going to join the Irish navy anymore.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 proper funny ha ha ☮️
@Maria Kelly
Haha I was going to say the same thing
This video is about to go viral.
I knew submarines were a bad idea, should've stayed with the old ironclads
Thank you for that insight, George Washington.
Yeah, The Turtle was a pretty bad prototype...
@@brandonmelhem7888 i dunno why but this reply cracks me up
Hello Mr. Washington!
Can you run again Mr. Washington?
Submariner here, nice to see you talking about the USS Thresher. For the final question about whether or not someone would die instantaneously from crush death would be, under my own understanding, yes.
When a submarine reaches crush death, pressure that was acting outside the hull immediately effects the inside of the hull, which would compress all air pockets within that space. They would've all been compressed to death in less than a second.
Fun facts: The USS Scorpion proves that Subsafe works, because although it sank, it wasn't under subsafe regulation...for some reason.
Another fun fact: Another submarine suffered the same fate, the ARA San Juan. Same type of issue and everything.
Flowenol Cinur Very wholesome facts there man!
Pobre mi Argentina querida 😭
Flowenol Cinur my dad was also a submariner! He worked the nuclear reactor and he knew about the tale and told me that he had faith in everyone that worked on it because they were all in this together and if anyone made a major mistake, they were all going down.
Flowenol Cinur so ARA is argentine right?
@@bobbymcbobmcbilly322 yes, it is
I worked with a steel fitter who had previously worked on submarines and ships for the navy. He said every couple months all the workers would attend a meeting where they listen to the final transmissions from a sinking sub. I don't remember what the name of the sub was but he said you heard the groaning of the steel, you heard the dread in their voices, and you heard the violent implosion. It made them take their job very seriously.
That's a good idea.
Probably the Kursk. The USN has good sonar of the incident from SSN-769 USS Toledo. The recording is not public domain as it's horrific apparently.
@@mdb831 Im really curious and kinda want to hear it
scorpion or the thresher.
My uncle was a crewman on the USS Snook we she was lost at sea. I often wonder what his last few moments were like and if he suffered much. I think it would be terrifying.
Umm...no. You meant to say the Scorpion (SSN-589). The Snook (SSN-592) served until 1986 and was recycled in 1996 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Snook_(SSN-592). The only Snook incident I know of is when, during some cat & mouse maneuvers with a fleet, we cut behind too close to the stern of a patrolling destroyer (I think it was a destroyer). The destroyer was towing a STAS (sonar towed array) and our periscope snagged its tow cable (oops). The cable continued to pull the STAS which hit and broke the periscope. That collision also broke the cable and the STAS sunk to the sea bottom (double oops). I don't think it was ever found/recovered.
I was referring to the USS Snook 279. She was lost at sea during WWII.
Ah, the first Snook from the 1940s. RIP to your uncle, his shipmates, and the sailors of the 51 other subs lost during WWII.
My Great uncle died on the Thresher, it was his birthday, April 10th. We have a memorial every year at the shipyard it came from. Pretty interesting yet so grim.
I'm an retired submariner. While going to sub school we learned about ths Thresher and Scorpion. I thank your family for their service and condolences for your loss in memoriam.
I am retired career military and may I offer my condolences to you and your family. May your great uncle and all his shipmates Rest In Peace.
Very brave men for me god bless them all 🙏🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸
I worked for the Navy, a federal civilian, for 10 years as an Electrical Design Technician on 688 Class Fast Attack submarines. Many guys I worked with had worked on the Thresher or knew guys that had.
Your Uncle sacrificed all and may he Rest In Peace. Thank you for his service and sacrifice.
rest in peace to your uncle, he won't be forgotten
“...remains on eternal patrol.”
Rest easy, boys.
@Ivana Notyers wat
the submarine is not dicommissioned, but the crew is released from their service to rest in peace.
@@tritonmole Beautiful way to put it
My grandfather was supposed to be on the thresher for her sea trials as a nuclear mechanic. He got switched boats to the uss tinosa instead and was super disappointed but if he hadn't of been transfered i wouldent be alive because my dad wouldnt of been born 4 years later. Weird stuff :/
My father joined WWII late in the war, and never had to leave the U.S. But he would have been part of the Japan invasion force, with expected casualties of 1 million U.S. troops. The atom bombs changed all that. So I guess I'm OK with dropping those atom bombs...
After the loss of the Thresher the Tinosa was used in an experiment to determine why the sub couldn’t blow its tanks. It was on the Tinosa that the phenomenon of icing in the blowpipes was established.
@John Carboni *Especially considering the Atom bombs murdered millions of innocent women, children and babies.*
*Although - if America hadn't acted quickly to force Japan into a surrender - then Russia **_would have_** invaded Japan and annexed it - so the Japanese would have suffered under Russian oppression - and we would have no Anime today.*
@@Princess2Warrior Fuck, i wish the US waited and let the Soviet Union annex Japan.
That is crazy to know something like that.
The recommended section has a very cruel sense of humor.
Mine too
Back in the fifties, I was an apprentice shipfitter af Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and spent many months working on the Thresher. A good friend of mine went down with the Thresher
Sorry to hear that
Joe, you are truly an eyewitness to a historical event. I worked at NASA JSC Houston and on occasion would run into someone who did the crew prep for the Challenger...and when they told the story you could tell it had affected them deeply...thanks for sharing..
I remember a bar just outside the shipyard called the George Washington.
@Warner Esquivel bruh show some respect
@Warner Esquivel You realize how you sound right now?
This is horrifying. Even if they died instantly at the end they all had time to be in mortal terror as the sub was sinking into the abyss.
It's their watery grave
@@norms3913 ua-cam.com/video/Bmc9NFfhx74/v-deo.html
its liek seeing a mosquito:you know it doesnt hurt but holy frick are those things terrifying
@@bleedinactionman8578 you coz your a dumbitch
In the military, we're taught that 'courage' is simply being scared ... but doing your job anyway. Fascinating ... ^v^
Rest in peace the 53 crew mates from Indonesia who went out this way 🙏
Hi Peng Joon,big fan here
Crew ma'e
Theyre not American . Who cares about them
@@tinybigfoot495 All Asian people cares
And thanks the Chinese government support 3 ships and trying to lift it up, thanks to Singapore and Malaysia as well.
No doubt there are lots of stories of sheer terror in this matter. My favorite is of the German captain who endeavored to set a calm example for his crew by reading a book during a depth charge attack. He though all was going well until his first mate nudged him to point out that he was actually holding the book upside down.
Yeah I’m an 8 year veteran of US Navy Submarines. I was on board USS Maine & USS Louisiana. We learned all about the USS Thresher and the accident she had. They didn’t lose their lives in vain, we have a more safe operating program now because of it. Nice video, man.
You are correct,they didn,t lose there lives in vain,may they all rest in peace...and thank you for your service also,wishing you all the best,stay safe,take care,from, Auckland, New Zealand, love and respect......
Man walking around must be hard for you, considering you have these massive balls of steel! Huge Respect.
You were on boomers, come on, it is more like 4 years at best
@@mariochavez3212 Not “Boomers”. Lol. Tridents. There’s a difference. Lol.
@@tachnutz fair enough, we will just say ‘slow boat’. Boomer, Ohio class all the same.
It's very awkward that youtube recommend me this after the indonesian incident
Same they are turning dark
The implosive force of a pressure collapse of nuclear powered subs was just the random knowledge my Friday afternoon brain wanted
Probably recommending this after the Indonesian sub training accident. YT recommendations is dark AF.
Then you probably don't need to hear about USS Thresher or USS Scorpion.
I would believe that the implosive force of the pressure would have killed all of the personnel on board the submarine and it would have happened so fast that nobody was prepared for anything.
@@moriscoley5328 If you think about it; that would be one way kill criminals.. like for the death penalty
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex you mean, shoot them out the torpedo tubes?
My son served aboard a fast attack sub during the 2000's. Your information matches everything he ever told me about subs. Great video. Thanks.
you would never get me in a submarine - not even a yellow one ..
I agree 100%! There's no way I'd ever willingly board a sub bond for the ocean's deep, dark, cold, depths of endless sea ... 😖😱🤯 ☠️☠️☠️
No thank you, I choose life. 😉👍🏼
I quite like getting on the Yellow Submarine.
But we are all here
Especially if Ringo was in there! 😳
I went on a yellow submarine 18 months ago. South Tenerife. We dove 30 metres or so. It was fun while it lasted.
Whose here after the Indonesian submarine sunk , Rest In Peace 53 members 😞
Me
Me too ...
me too
REST IN PEACE,and God be with you to rest your soul,from Auckland ,New Zealand...
Me🙏🏽😔
Submariner here. Loved the video. In BESS, or Basic Enlisted Submarine School, I remember a long lecture about the Thresher where the instructor read out the last few transmissions. The audio was recorded, but I never heard it. Once a sub crosses the test depth threshold, there would be no noticeable changes, as the hull pops and cracks every time a significant depth change occurs. Even reaching crush depth, the boat may not immediately implode, as the condition of the pressure hull might allow the boat to survive somewhat longer. Once the implosion begins, it would be instantaneous. The only place that might be spared the initial implosion (might being the operative word) is the reactor compartment, due to its design, but no one would take refuge there anyway due to the fact that it contains a critical reactor.
I had a conversation with an old, super salty sailor once, and he mentioned that on his first boat, they had a temporary near total loss of depth control, resulting in an excursion beyond test depth. While the boat obviously never made it to crush depth, they apparently got close enough that when they returned to port, the pressure had caused the outer hull to be compressed to the point that you could see the ribs of the vessel.
I don’t know whether this story is completely true or not. Sailors of all stripes tell “sea stories” of varying truthfulness all the time. Still, it made me think. Hope this helps.
I've heard that story, and I believe it actually happened to several German U-Boats during Operation Drumbeat and after.
When we did deep dives on the boat I served on we would run a string across the compartment to scare the new crew members. By the time the boat was at depth the string would be sagging a couple feet.
@@dave.willard I wonder if the bilge pumps would be sufficient to handle how much I'd be peeing myself?
I imagine the boat that lost depth control had to emergency blow
Oh hell no. I once applied to join the navy. Ended up in the Army. Very happy above water.
I am here because of Oceangate submarine missing
Congratulations
My friend from high school joined the Navy while I joined the Marine Corps. He scored well and was able to get an MOS in subs. He spent his entire Naval career in those subs and retired. I saw him at our 40th high school reunion and he had such amazing stories from his time in subs. I don’t think I could do that especially for 30 years.
I agree. Each generation of my family has served in subs since very early on. I was expected to continue the family tradition but chose flight school instead. By chance, I wound up in the Aviation, Anti-submarine Warfare pipeline and hunted subs in the S-3 Viking. Some of our family reunions were pretty ... 'lively'. :-) ^v^
You went to your 40th high school reunion? I'd rather get run over by a train than ever have to say I did that
Can’t imagine what our brothers from Indonesia must have felt. RIP
Did not they die fast?
@@heyhoe168 Pretty sure they did. Im only hearing about this 'Indonesia accident' from the comment section but I cant imagine it being too much different from thresher. Quick and mostly painless death
@@Pie-ro the submarine imploded
@@Nanakaririka the speed at which a sub implodes is faster than the speed at which the brain processes information. The crew was dead before they could even feel what happened. It was a very sudden and painless death.
You missed a little detail that I love about the Thresher though: since she was a nuclear submarine during the cold war, it was important to recover it before the Soviets without giving away her location. Therefore, a cover story and civilians to lead the expedition were needed. The man they picked was Dr Robert Ballard, and the cover story was the search for the Titanic. That's right, finding the Titanic was actually a cover up. This was only declassified about a decade or so ago.
That's actually super interesting
i thought no one would dive that far to get it? do you have any articles about that?
@Mykel Hardin It's the general technology in the sub's capability and construction. Both the Soviets and the US had submarines but they were built very differently and had very different advantages.
For example, in WWII Germany had sophisticated sonar technology. After WWII the US spent considerable resources studying and improving upon captured German sonar tech and developed the Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) for tracking Soviet subs. From that the US developed means of keeping their subs quieter and more difficult to detect via sonar, which was a key advantage against Soviet subs. It took decades for the Soviets to catch up on this, and much of it didn't happen until a spy (John A. Walker) started leaking submarine tech to the Soviets. The Soviets capitalized on this and in the 1980s closed a major gap in the US tech lead with quieter and more efficient subs.
Even with an imploded sub, there would still be intact chunks of hull, pieces of engines and turbines, torpedoes, etc. If the Soviets got to a wreck before the US they could have rapidly closed gaps in tech that the US would have spent massive funds and man-hours establishing, and likewise if the US managed to get to a Soviet wreck.
@karl marx -Russia has so many warheads that 'age out', that the USA pays for them.... to disassemble ... for the fuel used in the 100 or so nuclear energy generating stations across the USA.
Without Russia's prolific nuclear program, USA would have to re-start mining our own yellowcake, refining by stages to specifications.
Hillary Clinton, as a bureaucrat of power within the Obama regime, sold, a large percentage of USAs uranium mining deposits... to Russia.
France requires significant uranium for their numerous reactors, one guess who also supplies their aged-out cores? ;}
@@blogengeezer4507 No, Hillary signed off on a deal to allow a US mining company to be bought by Rosatom on condition that anything mined within North America be used only in North America, so your uranium gets used in Canada and the US.
Also hers was just one signature, 14 US departments had to sign off on the deal, including the department of defence and department of homeland security, neither of which was her department. Amazing how republicans seem to omit critical details when sharing facts.
aged like fine wine
Fr
USS Thresher had massive quality and design problems: during acceptance trials it was found that several important valves had been installed wrong way round. High pressure lines were badly soldered - and that were only the ones they could check. Thresher was not able to blow its balast tanks at test depht. It would have to go up a good way before the tanks could be vented. The reactor would shut down any time there is a problem. So when the sub needs all the energy to gain speed, to be able to get to a depht where it could blow its balast tanks, Thresher would actually lose propulsion and sink even faster.
So what sank USS Thresher?
The shipyard and its designers. The marine personal who let this design to be build.
methanbreather stick to methane as O2 isn’t doing you any good
She could blow ballast tank at test depth it’s just her air lines iced up after the first blow “IF” she had done a continual blow on the first try she “MIGHT” have made it and it would have helped if they hadn’t shut MS-1 & 2
These failures are completely normal on any system that complex. When you have a system made from thousands of sub-systems it is inevitable that some of those sub-systems (eg valves) will be incorrectly installed. Since a single small valve has between 37 and 54 parts, (16 flange bolts, 16 flange nuts, 16 flange washers, main body, packing nut, handwheel, upper seat, and lower seat) just for a simple manual one, and potentially many more for an electrically operated one, then the total number of parts runs to many millions. EG the ballast tanks alone can have two high pressure valves each, for air entering and the same again for air exiting. There are an absolute minimum of four ballast tanks on a submarine (often more like 16 including trim tanks) so the absolute minimum number of parts just on the ballast tanks for valves is about 592 and quite possibly 4 times that amount (assuming no gaskets or washers). Then you have the "Christmas Tree". The smallest I ever saw was 48 valves assuming no gaskets or washers that's nearly another 1800 parts just for valves. Then you have all the cross linking and bypass valves of which there are hundreds of the damn things. We will assume a very small submarine with about 200. That's another 7400 parts just for the valves. So we now have in excess of 9500 parts just for the valves on the ballast/trim system as a minimum. You of course then have to ass hundreds of individual pieces of piping, piping supports (6 parts each) the compressors and their ancilliaries, and you have well in excess of 30,000 parts for the simplest of ballast/trim systems onthe smallest of boats. Make those valves servo operated and you can nearly double that number. Then you have all the compressed air controls for the torpedo launch systems, and all the compressed air controls for the breathable air (with that systems separate compressors) and just in compressed air systems you have well over 100,000 parts.
The design of the EMBT blow system was extremely flawed on the Thresher. Before the accident, submarine design was focused on reactor plant design, not personnel safety...you can thank Rickover for that. After its sinking and the implimantation of the SUBSAFE program designs changed radically. For example...the EMBT blow piping going to the forward most ballast tank on the Thresher was 1/2" in diameter, not much bigger than the size of a mans finger. Today, each group of ballast tanks has its own pressurized dedicated bank with a large piping minimazing the distance. If you would like to discuss it further feel free. I engineer them for a living.
@@Nicky_Pin_It Does the current design eliminate or greatly reduce the chances of icing?
@@Nicky_Pin_It Does the current design eliminate or greatly reduce the chances of icing?
"the thresher never got decommissioned by the us navy and remains on eternal patrol"
Dude that line gave me CHILLS
It has been removed from most “official” lists though. When working for the Navy as a civilian on submarines I tried to find it listed and couldn’t.
Same! It's so beautiful and philosophical, while also remaining respectful to the crew. Or that's how I see it atleast.
That is chilling. I never knew that.
SCP vibes
Think that they are finding subs that have had that status since WWII.
I like it. Delivery and content are sound.
Glad you enjoyed :)
The idea of this happening to the 5 men inside that Titanic submarine is terrifying
I c someone else is here as well. When I tell you these kind of videos views are going up now. Unfortunately
Unfortunately, this is exactly what happened. Likely at some point on Sunday or Monday. It was confirmed about an hour ago. I’m guesstimating Sunday or Monday strictly because of the known safety concerns that several people had regarding the structural integrity of the sub. There was even a lawsuit regarding the exact vessel back in 2018. My guess is that it imploded long before it’s approved test depth was reached. What a terrible tragedy.
@@mikefreelandphoto I'm with you on it imploded before hand, did you listen to the knocking audio from the sub😲
@@tiffanylaffitte1524 what knocking audio?
@@tacticalshenanigans2829 a recording was released of knocking coming from the submarine. I believe thats a tactic used to indicate that they are in danger. I was reading up on a man some way back was also stuck in the ocean bottom and was rescued after three days. What's crazy is, In the article the man mentioned if the people that were in the titan had a hammer, that they should use it to bang hard in the submarine because coast guards are listening for those specific noises so they can be rescued. Yea I've been digging deep all day. It's just a horrible situation.
The device has yet to be invented, that is powerful enough, to get me on board a submarine.
And when your grandchildren prank you by teleporting you onto a submarine you can think back to the comment that inspired them!
In England they tested out a new submarine and some paint was in a tube that tells you if the outer torpedo door is open and it said it was closed. They opened the inner torpedo door with a bunch of politicians and such inside and the outer door was open and the thing filled with water and they all died. It was only in like maybe 30 feet of water or so..
Don't need a device just chloroform a rag and my shoulder
@@thothheartmaat2833 HMS Thetis. One of the worst submarine disasters in lives lost because the third man to enter the escape hatch panicked and tried to open it before it had fully flooded, drowning himself and ensuring the 99 men still aboard the submarine had no way of escaping.
@Stale Bagelz I think he may just mean actual paint
I dunno what's worse; getting torpedoed and sinking, having a water leak and sinking, having a malfunction and sinking, or getting yelled at by your CO because you refuse to get in the damned submarine.
All of the above
Having a leak. If your sub sinks to the ground, atleast you will die somewhat in peace compared to drown.
You die either way...
"getting yelled at by your CO because you refuse to get in the damned submarine." is just not going to happen. Submarines are a volunteer service and anyone who wants to quit it can do so at any time without consequence. Nobody wants to be in a sub with someone who does not want to be there.
-Only the highly intelligent volunteers are accepted for active duty on the 'Boomers'. Far too much at stake for anyone of less intelligence to become operationally involved ;
I served in SS-581 and SSN -591. Experienced an emergency blow on the Shark. God bless the men of Thresher and Scorpion.
Did it breach the surface? Were there many injuries? The vids I've seen of subs leaping out of the water look like it wouldn't be good for your health and skeletal integrity ;)
god didnt bless them,
he listened to their prayers,
and did nothing...
STONEFREE don’t be a dick
Yournextdoorgamer withgames im sorry facts hurt your feelings
Foetus Deletus You have never lost someone, have you
Bet this getting hella views today...
Either they all come up, or no one does. Submariners are a brave bunch.
The first of your statements is not really true. As far back as WW2, sailors escaped from sunken submarines using devices like the Mormsen Lung while leaving fellow crewmen below already dead or dying.
Ira van den Heuvel well... that’s horrifying
@@c-secofficer123 i was taught how to use that device in training. And yes, it is terrifying.
More like fucking insane. I've met a few. They are all fucking crazy. I love them tho
C-Sec Officer 123 one screw, one crew
Any one else watching this before going to bed...
RJTech it is 11:16pm where I’m at, so yes, a bedtime video
Everything you do except sleep is before going to bed
Timothy Azbill “No no, He’s got a point.
No, after going to bed. I'm watching this in my sleep.
Yes, and my fan is burning my eyes as I read these comments. 😲
I can’t even step into a lake without crying if my foot touches seaweed, but these brave souls go hundreds of meters below sea level for testing..
Same, I'd rather go to that depth than touch the bottom...
In the army, Ft Knox 1980. My hatch froze at night. I couldn't get out. No one knew I was there til I flashed headlights. Two sets w propane torch got my ass out. I'd of froze to death! Scariest thing I ever had happen to me. It was below zero.
did you know that there are water spiders...yeah, dug up some dirt and this huge thing looked at me right out of the mud...buuuaaaahahhh...I never dug again...
Weirdo
Says the one named Nell Davila
This aged like wine
RIGHT!!!😂
My father was a nuclear submariner for 26 years. He served on five submarines, two FBMs, or Fleet Ballistic Missile submarines and three Fast Attack submarines. He was also a division commander and a squadron commander. I myself worked on nuclear submarines for two and a half years. I can tell you without a doubt that every crew member onboard the Scorpion knew precisely what was coming, crush debt and instant death. RIP
-That's got to be a horrible way to go. Just thinking about what is about to happen must be madding.
That’s more than likely the worst part of it.
Ofc they knew, why do you believe that he believes they didn't know ?
@@auggie803
Fr but at least it's an instant death. No suffering, no nothing.
Do you think every crew member knew the difference between depth and debt as well?
As a “boomer” sailor in the 70’s and being submarine qualified, I have some insight as to what might happen in the event of a sub reaching crush depth. As you might imagine, not every watertight compartment of a sub has the exact same resistance to water pressure. Probably the one space that might have the greatest resistance is the escape compartment but this would not likely be occupied by anyone given the situation. Given the testing situation at the time, it is possible that the bulkhead hatches between compartments might have been closed however given the depth at the time of the first compartment failing, it is not likely that having the hatches closed would make much difference and probably most if not all areas within the boat would have been flooded extremely quickly once the first compartment failed. I will not speculate as to how the men actually experienced death, but I believe they all experienced it very quickly. For what it’s worth, I was a NAVET aboard the USS Alexander Hamilton SSBN617 from 1972-1976 and very proud to be one of the many great men to have served and win the Cold War.
Don’t call yourself a boomer. Thank you for your service .
You did a great job sir !
You got it. Andrew Jackson (SSBN 619) and Daniel Webster (SSBN 626). Sonar. STS1 (SS). Every time we left port we knew it may be our last. EB guarantees one down for every up!
Active When a submarine sailor says boomer, we mean that the type of submarine is a ballistic missile carrying type of submarine. It has no connotation to the era or age of the person, although I am a boomer myself. Just so you know ....
@@StewartMarkley I was too. You have to look out for those boomer widows though. LOL.
I’m a retired Submarine Veteran and have been in situations in which I should have never survived! It’s the loss of my brothers for which I’m eternally great full for they paid the ultimate sacrifice that I’m able to respond today! All my love and respect to my brothers on Eternal Patrol!
Grateful*
You're grateful your brothers were killed? Damn dude. Some people may think that but they usually don't gloat about it on the internet.
But... why not explain everything about it.
🤔
the people in this reply segment have room temperature IQ
Don’t take things so literal guy’s have some reverence or at least some respect and empathy
OceanGate has me researching everything about submarines and oceans
I just came back here for as a refresher as 53 people just went missing in a submarine that it thought to have sunk in Indonesia.
Update: some debri and an oil spill have been found around the area they think it sank at. It’s not looking good :/
Update: wreck found in 3 pieces, no survivors, now on eternal patrol
Me too
Yah, they are on eternal patrol
@@elvira555 wdym?
@@meb.2828 They won't make it home. The patrol is eternal. Mereka sedang dalam misi patroli untuk selama-lamanya.
What an algorithm
I watch this vid because Indonesian Submarine Nanggala 402 is lost. Sending all prayers for the crews inside
How do you send prayers to the bottom of the ocean?
@@rickysmyth she said "sending all prayers FOR" not TO "the crews inside"
Consider it: a wisecracking gone wrong. Had you hammered the Grammar , the grammar wouldn't have hammered you.
@@rickysmyth don't forget to point out the capital G as a mistake on me...
good and never hope any miracles again, it's zero possibility to live down there
Former submariner. Served on a sister-ship, SSN-615. When I think of being flash-burned/crushed in a few milliseconds, versus trapped in the engine room for days as the air gave out (aka Kursk). I'd definitely rather go the way the Scorpion or Thresher. If I had to choose.
Hey, my father had a brief cruise on the Gato!!! He retired in 1974. Also, COB on the Trieste. Did time on the Salmon, Pomfret (his favorite), and others.
SSN 615 that was my Fathers boat. 1990-92 ish - YN Brian Moore
The worst part about the Kursk is that they could've been saved if the Russians had let the Norwegians help. When I read about the letters the crew left for their families, it was heartbreaking.
@@ceithor Maybe.
I’d take burning or drowning over starvation and dehydration. Slow death, waiting to die, just isn’t my thing.
This aged like fine wine
I feel like I just watched a scary movie.. R.I.P. to the 53 that just died like this in Indonesia.
They're happy as clams...got their 73 (or is it 72) virgins now; kinda like an early birthday present 🎁
@@jonnieinbangkok wth are u talking about??? crisis emphatic
@@jonnieinbangkok jeez. please delete this comment..
@@jonnieinbangkok tf?
@Omertà Don83 it was an indonesian submarine
full of indonesian people
in indonesian waters
what kinda weed u smooking
Imagine you’re in a submarine and it starts sinking into the abyss, never ending falling and it starts to get so dark, the hull starts to crack
I would shit myself
submarines don't 'crack'
Bruh imma break my neck byee xd
Imagine
Yes, that's the video we just watched
No. They died instantly. While I was in the Navy, I had friends that were submariners. They were told what happens in such an accident. The death from the implosion can be compared to having a 10 ft cube of concrete dropped on you. Instant squish.
They died after going below crush depth, that did not happen instantly.
The trip from 1000 feet ( 300 meters) to crush depth was not panic, it was all hands trying to find out what the hell was wrong and fixing it. It was over in a flash. They are on what we submariners call "eternal patrol".
@@stevefarris9433 and may they have passed on with courage in their hearts, and determination in their souls. never forget those who never return...
And you forgot to add..... that the cube is falling from 1,000 ft!
New report was declassified, there were crew members still alive inside the Thresher two days after the incident. Other ships and submarines heard 37 pings from there sonar before there battery ran out, an then banging was heard on the hull.
I imagine this vid has been popular lately
it has
The "eternal patrol" thing froze my blood
@Free_my_ grandma it's means that because they never returned, they are still in patrol. Like a ghost ship or something
@@T3ki1a_the story is partially because of the practice of not decommissioning units lost on active service.....ie...forever on patrol..
Well done video. I was 13 and my brother in law was a Marine guard at the Portsmouth Navel prison. He arranged it so my sister and I could watch the new submarine being launched. The USS Thresher 593. It was a wonderful sight to see. When I heard of the sinking in 1963 it was like a punch in the gut.
My father applied as an engineer on the thresher he was denied the position.
John Costa no way?! U serious?
He lucked out.
Lucky for him.
John Costa blessing in disguise
@@klausdalsgaard9874 yup
I love the ocean, from the surface. You couldn’t pay me to ever go on a submarine or even to go diving any deeper than snorkelers go
I am staggered and bewildered that these trials weren't carried out in shallower waters where rescue may have been possible along with the possible salvaging of the vessel.
Unfortunately the depths that submarines operate in is usually below that of the continental shelf, therefore the requirement to test the boats to the limits of capability in peace drives the the confidence of the crew to push the units limits in war time. Unlike other parts of the military, all submarines are at war all the time. The work conducted is clandestine in nature and must be treated as such.
Well they’re not gonna operate in shallow water, so they’ve got to be tested in ocean eventually now don’t they?
You cant test maximum operational depth in water only 6 inches deep!
@@gordonlawrence1448 I am well aware of that having done multiple deep dives, but when you do a deep dive I water that is greater than crush depth then your asking for trouble. If the deep diving depth is say 500 feet do it in water that is 750 feet as this should allow for escape. If not then at least give the guys a fighting chance of using the escape tower to carry out escape in dis-sub conditions.
Scott Crawford Also common submarine escape suits are only rated to 600 feet, if a sub is in dissub status and is closer to collapse depth (which is a lot more than 600 ft) they would have to wait for deep divers to hook salvage air onboard to make the boat positively buoyant again.
"At this point the thresher begins to sink tail first"
>it sinks front first in the animation
Loex Studios I was about to post it when I read your comment!! My thoughts exactly....
I was like “did they build the conning tower aft of the ship?!?!
Well, let's pretend he was using an Akuka on that animation...
noticed that...
Good catch!! Thanks!
This video definitely needs an update now that documents on the USS Thresher have been declassified.
37 Pings.
Glad to see people spreading Subs news, if it wasn't for him this wouldn't be widely known, not enough people are willing to sift through thousand page info dumps.
Give me a ping, Vasily. Thirty-seven pings only.
Well, you're about to get a sequel to this that you didn't ask for. More Last Moments content though!
Why do it with a seafloor that low, if they’d done to test where the floor was at 350 meters the submarine could’ve been recovered
That’s what I was thinking
actually a very good point
Good point, that hadn't occurred to me. Definitely makes more sense. I'd like to know a logical reason why they did it so deep.
I may be being dumb but it could have something to do with the pressure
WOLF Dragon nope nothing to do with pressure, it’s the same pressure at 350 feet regardless of the ocean floor is a mile down or 400 feet down
This video deserves a review, new information has just been declassified that suggests the Thresher crew was still alive and had not imploded over a day after the Skylark lost contact.
In training, they had us listen to the last sonar audio of the USS Thresher as is sank, eventually being crushed by the weight of the seas.
Cowboycomando54 fuuuuuck that
Damn.
Roger That.SSN667. They do creak
@Jimmy to see who would bolt. I would. Most submariners wouldn't blame you
greenzulu : on 667 and was a STS heard those in ASchool and Subschool.
not youtube recommending this video now
yes
Out of all my most terrifying way to die list... This is near the top
@Fabian Tarantino wanna watch some fucked up shit search
Dolphin diving bell accident
Agreed. It’s right up there with the John Jones cave story
Cav pfp...ok ok playa
Instant death although you know it is coming.....like being on death row
I drowned in 1997 during a freedive at 40 feet I blacked out.
I was considerably lucky my friend was next to me or I wouldn't be writing this and the local fire rescue was actually on the water at the boat launch.
This ended my freediving ambitions as I used to treasure hunt our local river
I stumbled here because of the indonesian submarine sunken😢RIP to those marines onboard...💔
Wait a minute, someone replace all of Qxir's fun and whimsical sound effects for dark and foreboding ones.
Not again
"For" and "with" are different words with different meanings.
_The more you know!_
Anyone hear after the titan going missing ? 😢 I have a sense this is what’s happened
Watching this because of the missing Indonesian Sub. My heart goes out to those aboard and their families..
Same with me
Same here😭
On eternal patrol, let's honour the fallen 53 warriors of the sea
"Experiencing minor difficulties... "
Famous last words...
Unfortunate, they didn't realize the seriousness of their situation.
RIP SSN 593
I bet he knew exactly what was happening, like a cool aviator, working the problem not screaming like an idiot.
Even if they had, not much they could've done about it 😶
Oh, they did.
They knew exactly how serious it was.
Ballast tanks failing and a runaway depth gauge is like a slow version of a semi truck hitting your car head on or falling off a skyscraper then boom, instant death. This would be much worse because you would have more time to react to the trauma.
Before I went on my last deployment squadron played us the black box recording of the thresher and Hartford. They knew exactly what was happening and the whole 20 minute recording is driven home by hearing about 10 different implosions inside the hull as it sinks to the briny deep. They knew it was happening but they never felt it.
Here watching this while waiting for the updates of KRI NANGGALA 402 indonesia's submarine, it's been more than 24 hours since it is reported missing in waters north Bali. Hopes they would be fine, or at least they could be found. Please pray for them...
The news said it may be at the sea floor at 850 meter. The sub is likely be crushed and all the crews are lost.
theyre dead,
it's already confirmed that the submarine had sunk. RIP to all the sailors 🙏
Sadly but yes... All of the crew are already passed away.
This video greatly explained what is happening now to the titanic submarine
Me: “God, send me a sign if I should join the Royal Australian Submarine Service!!”.
UA-cam: *recommends this video
Me: “The Lord works in mysterious ways”.
Don't be a pussy. Join the sub service.
@John Mcnair ok virgin
I worked with Aussie submariners in seventh fleet. They are some really great guys. The Collins Class isn’t Nuclear like the thresher, so it doesn’t go that deep, but it is really capable.
@John Mcnair seems you have not attempted the maths for organic molecules becoming biological life.
@@Thomas-rx9ur I heard you guys are getting some of the new beirdywierdy sterling engine subs that are as quiet as battery operated and can stay down for weeks. Basically a larger more capable Gottland class using Air Independant Propulsion.
I was on the USS SUNFISH in the 80's. And yes, the sound of the hull compressing is something you never get use to.
Watch the movie “das boot”. You really experience fear in that movie.
@Philip Gibbs yeah. But the title is das Boot.
I think I soiled myself...
*ALARMMMMMMMM*
@Frank Castle enemy below
@@johannsebastianbach9003 Exactly! Probably sounded like "ALA....."
The UA-cam algorithm is brutal
And to think of the thousands of WWI, WWII submariners of all nations who experienced this same fate.
Why if they're running tests, wouldn't they test over an area that's only so deep ??? For example, if 300 meters is the testing depth and 450 meters is the implosion depth, why not find a place that's only 300 - 400 meters deep ??? Why would they test in 1000 meter depths if it's a certain death if anything goes wrong. This seems preventable, at least while testing a brand new sub.
I refuse to believe it's that simple. Maybe I'm naive.
Military mindset of the higher ups. Forget logic.
Because the real numbers are classified.
@@Ron-vv4ie I guess it depends how thick the hull is to withstand the pressure.
The dynamic forces involved in a collision with anything are much different at depth. At the surface, the hull is well capable of bumping, even cracking and the sub would survive the amount of water ingress that would occur. At depths, the structure of the hull would be already supporting loads of pressure vs the 1atm inside. So imagine a collision with an object like the sea bottom no matter how soft being like the straw that broke the camel's back.
Dying on an imploding submarine hundreds of meters below the surface is the most incomprehensibly terrifying way of dying I could possibly imagine, especially knowing that it was going to happen as I slowly sank deeper and deeper.
there is a worse death aboard a sub. Sinking to the bottom above crush depth, and knowing the ones who put you there are not going to rescue you. This was the fate of many German Submariners during both world wars, you can google just how many intact German U-boats there are along the north eastern seaboard of the US and Canada.
Look up flight 800. That would be just as bad if not worse