This RTX 4070 Ti has a Trick up its Sleeve. Why is this Ada GPU Special?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The RTX 4070 Ti is a much maligned GPU by reviewers. However, after spending time with this GPU and understanding its power and efficiency, at the right price and for specific users, this could be the best Ada GPU this generation!
And even the new M2 Pro and M2 Max GPUs can't compete with its performance.
#RTX4070ti, #4070Ti, #4070tiGOOD - Наука та технологія
I really want a 4070Ti. I can afford it but that MSRP still feels like an insult, regardless of how impressive the GPU itself might be.
sounds like a personal problem
And the cut down memory bus...
@@transistorjump919 Still sounds like a personal problem
It’s why I went with the 6950xt. I would’ve gladly picked up the 4070 ti for 650 or 700. No way am I paying more than 800 usd for 70 series card. Especially a cut down one.
@@bentrinker1937 Once AMD has better enhancements like DLSS w/Frame Gen, Reflex, and better Ray Tracing. That would make something like a 6950XT a better comparison. $100 less for less performance in everything but Warzone doesn’t seem like a great deal either. If the 6950XT were maybe $499-$549 that would be a much more affordable comparison to the 4070 Ti
Very happy with my 4070 Ti. The temps are super impressive, in the 40/50's range when gaming. The division and grievance commentary from content creators nowadays is getting old really fast. Good video, thanks !
Thanks for sharing!
I have a 4070ti on an NR200P and it's honestly great, it fit perfectly fine, temps are good, it undervolts well... it's honestly probably as good as I can get for a SFF build.
And seriously... people will either scoff at spending over $1000, or go all the way to the 4090... in that sense the 4070ti is right at the brink of what some people (like me) will say "fuck it, I want to play my games" 😅
Yeah, it`s a great card and i don`t understand the hate.
Because it has real value for money.
I went with 4090 though, just for the bragging rights.
well said same here just got one.
@@Canis_Vulpes It`s a great deal and really beats the 3 series for power efficiency. I bought a corsair 1500 watt platinum psu wit my 4090 i thought it deserved a new one.
Yea, I mean i had a GTX 1080 which was 599 @ launched upgraded to a 4070Ti which is 799. 200 dollar difference and a insane upgrade as i get to play my games now @ 1440p with high refresh rates. That's kinda how i look at it i look at where im at the current moment with what i spent and where im going to and what the difference in $$$ and performance and is it worth the jump. Took me 6 years to upgrade the GPU lol
Everyone wont see it that way but it makes sense. And my next upgrade it would have to be the same jump. I know someone mentioned the 5070Ti could cost 1,000? The performance would have to be NICE for that to be a option. If its a jump from the 4070 Ti to 4080 ..No
I have a 2000 series bout to go to the 4000 series so this will be a huge jump in performance and efficiency
I am very happy with my 4070 ti. Of course, I would prefer if it had more VRAM, especially for the price. But I only play at 1440p, so the 12gb are good for now
Im a 50 year old kid again coming from a 1060 6gb.
I have 12700k + 4070 Ti PC and I get only 55 fps average for AC Origins and for Plague Tale in lot of areas it dips below 45 fps which is very much frustrating. I still ve found out a reason for this.
Games like Jedi Fallen order, Valorant, Atomic Heart,etc play well at 1440p highest settings,
Is it the games issue or am I doing something wrong.
My PC is Win 10 Pro 22h2 build
resizable bar s enabled and I ve not undervolted or OC
@@1989rs500are you using any DLSS?
@@tye722
Yes.. DLSS frame generarion is automatic ally turned ON, I think its the games issue.
I fiddled with Nvidia control panel and now Assassins Creed is giving avg fps of 85 which used to be 55.
But Plague Tale is still a disaster.
I tried RE Village, and that runs at crazy 186 fps avg at 1440p. So I don't think its GPU issue, Atomic Heart also runs crazy at 100 fps average at 1440p atomic settings like how most Ytubers with 4070 Ti and 5800x3d get. So I think its some issue with game by GamePass
@@1989rs500 okay I have the same CPU and GPU and I’m seeing similar results for cyberpunk but not often does it dip below 45fps at 4K. Ray tracing at high not phsyco. Frame gen gets me around 70-85 fps.
Beautiful number juggling and eye-candy charts 👌🏼😁 well done, once again.
Thank you! 😁
I did this with my 3070, the few games I play showed no frame rate difference and the difference with Davinci Resolve is unnoticeable to me. For my meager needs at 1440 I've been thinking about the 4070ti but honestly my 3070 does everything I need for now.
I have the same GPU mode. And have Ryzen 5600x, so i expect a little bottleneck. And watt decrease is no issue for me. This video is a perfect tailor-made for me! Thanks.
This Ada generation, Nvidia delivered on the AMD promise of +50% performance/Watt, but AMD didn't.
Great point!
amd didn't even come close. it offered about a 15% improvement at the same power level
I was not aware this model exists :o. This is quite nice offering for 4k video editing on PC. Might be ideal for mid-level editor who uses Davinci Resolve. Definitely better offer than base M2 Mini. My only concern is 12GB of RAM, because I use some VRAM heavy plugins in Davinci. For people who does not use such plugins (Dehancer or Film Convert) this might be ideal RTX for video work. Thanks for making me aware. It's ~770USD here in Poland without tax. Not bad.
Glad I could help!
The 3070 Ti pushed GA104 to its limit for very minimal returns - Now we know AD104 behaves similarly & we'll at least get a very efficient 4070.
Using the asus tuf 4070ti in a lian li mini itx case now for 1month. Zero issues and temps are never above 71degrees celsius. Also using an sfx 600w psu👍🏻
600W PSU...nice!
Rm550x ok
I complete 180 flip is halarious. I bought one for $800 and don't regret it at all.
Absolutely, Ada is impressive hardware in all honesty. But sadly, nvidia had to kill it with an absurd pricing model. "There's no bad product, there's bad pricing".
I did the same to my 2080. Runs at 97% of speed at 85% power limit.
Has been the case with high-end nvidia gpu's for as long as I can remember.
Quite interesting findings, thanks for your work, sir.
Glad you enjoyed it
Under 300W with decent fans in a small form factor case it'll be fine. You could also do water cooling since the card will shrink to half its size.
Yes, that PCB is really small on this card.
Very comprehensive review. I purchased one recently, 1299 AU. It's power is impressive. Ventus has no rgb but it's a minor detail.
Great review.
Great video, i really hope it drops in price in time for my new rig in the future.
You and me both!
Superior Review. Subscribed 👍
Thanks and welcome
Damn we really needed the Undervolt on this otherwise interesting video. I've seen Undervolts retain nearly full performance while going down to ~200 watts. Not to mention the great temp advantage and lower fan speeds needed.
Yeh but if you overclock and increase power limit I’ll gain 5% which becomes 10% difference or more. Which is not incredible but when your at 4K you need all the help you can get.
dude, this is insane efficiency. I have been looking for a new card to replace my RTX2060Super and been eyeing the 4070ti but was wondering how far down I can take the power consumption and still get good performance and according to your tests I can see that going down to the 60-70% I can save about 100 watts and still have good performance. Power consumption matters for me here in the EU as prices this winter were crazy. I am only gaming 1440p and I have an I9-9900k, so I am wondering if I would need to much more upgrades besides the GPU, would the CPU still be viable for some time until arrow lake arrives or would it be recommended to upgrade that one as well?
The i9-9900k is still very capable. As long as you get the frame rates you need in the games you play, hang onto that thing for another year. Both AMD and Intel are set to release new CPUs (AMD with Zen4 and Intel with Arrow Lake) that should have another major bump in performance. Plus DDR5 will finally be noticeably faster over any system with DDR4.
@@ImaMac-PC nice to know, and I am looking very much forward to see what arrowlake and the next gen AMD can deliver, the rumors at least are very exciting. Thanks for the info also and its a great channel you have here, very useful information on it.
I got the zotac 4070ti amp extreme airo. I know I know but I had a 2060 and the 3090 is stupid expensive. I am mainly 1440 and it is real good for blender and editing.
Ampere is very similar in terms of how much you can undervolt and match or exceed stock performance, or drastically cut power draw and still achieve 95% of the performance. I feel like this never got much coverage over the past couple years.
because average person doesn't care and just wants to "plug and play"
It's a good card but not at the current prices.
Even worse for those of us living in other countries, Here in Australia the ASUS TUF 4070Ti is AU$1479 don't even bother with the ASUS ROG version at AU$1979, $500 more for a n extra 150MHz overclock is ludicrous.
If they drop it at least AU$200 I'll pull the plug and buy one just for the sake of it, My 2080Ti still plays everything at 1440P but I can't max out settings in every game anymore, I like to have at least 70-90 fps in my games, More is a bonus but I don't really care above that.
@Transistor Jump I know and that is the problem, They are trying to push price points to stupidlevels and keep them there, Before crypto I was upgrading every gen to the top 80Ti class as they were always below $AU 1000 even with inflation added each gen.
I have the money to buy several 4090's if I wanted but I just don't want to support this corporate greedy BS, That's why i have plenty of money. lol
ALL CARDS isnt good. the 4080 is 1,200$ no one really talking about that but ripping on the 4070 Ti being high
Also ive had a GTX 1080 which the 2080 Ti is a small bit powerful but still close isnt enough for 1440p / 144hz so i went with the RTX 4070 Ti and i have no complaints. FAST CARD and as i dont try to max out every setting it will last me for years to come.
This confirms my suspicions about how baffling none of Nvidia's partners have decided to try and make smaller cards , like Zotac did with their 1080ti mini. I'd even like to see nVidia bin some chips and make a 4070 Nano with a 200W power limit - like the Radeon R9 Nano series , and use very small coolers/standard 8+6pin connectors ...
I think I know why they won't do that - who would pay $800 for a 2 slot narrow card , doesn't look impressive.
i wud happily pay for small powerful card..
from
msi gt 210 1gb
msi gtx 750 ti 2gb
msi gtx 1050 ti
to msi gtx 1060 6gb i had single fan graphic card .
currently i own the most compact and beautiful Nvidia 3070 FE hving 2 fan wd 2 slot card.
I have a small 4070 Ti , the Gigabyte Windforce OC. It is only 261 mm long and the only 4070 Ti that fits in my case (icue 220T). It'd phenomenal value, $700 and hits 3 Ghz core, 1562 Mhz mem. Despite the small cooler runs under 70C overclocked and 65C stock.
I currently have an RTX 2070 that's 4 years old now. With the games I'm currently playing that's not a problem, I get at least 60 FPS on Ultra settings. With Starfield coming out in September I want a card that won't bottleneck anywhere. My specs: Maximus XI Formula LGA1151 Gen2 Z390 with Corsair Vengeance (4x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz and an Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz . I've been wanting the 4070 TI, but at $800 I've put that off for now. Is 12gb of vram going to future proof this for another say 4 years? I'm hoping to see some kind of price drop before Starfield is released. Do you see any signs of a price drop happening by September, is the 4080 worth getting instead if that gets close to $800?
I did a couple of videos when the 4080 was announced and released on what the GPU should cost. The 4080 at $800-$900 would be range I would pay however, unless you look for open box items, the prices today are not even close. For NVIDIA to drop the price, AMD would have to drop the price of the 7900XTX to $800 or lower and I don' t see that happening this year. Without any real competition in that price range, I am not hopeful we will see any price drops soon. You didn't mention the resolution you were targeting. The 4070ti is not really a 4k GPU due to limited VRAM and memory bandwidth (504GB/s) . My 3090 with 24GB of VRAM and higher memory bandwidth (936GB/s) will perform far better in 4yrs.
Do you have this analysis for the 6800XT? Thanks!
I don't have a 6800XT to test however, I will be doing some comparisons with 6900XT.
Great content as always
Appreciate it! Thank you!
U can also undervolt. A modest undervolt can go a long way
Would love to see a small version of this card power limited to 225 watts. It will probably never be done but could you imagine the power to size ratio for something like that in a SFF build.
It would be the most powerful GPU for it's size available for SFF builds.
I have one word for you: powerlimiter. Just slide.
The reviewers got it wrong. Right now this chip is awesome, it could have used a little more memory for 4k though.
But it is faster in almost everything than 3090TI for half the price.
That`s progress in my book.
I will be very interested to test and see how this GPU performs at 4k, in 2 years, compared to a 3090/3090ti.
@@ImaMac-PC That remains to be seen.
Over 2 years we will still be playing juiced up console ports.
Bigger and probably better but still....
Ultra will be difficult with 12 Gb but you can always dial down a bit and make it work.
Might still be faster than 3090ti.
Besides the card is for sale now and half the price of the 3090ti, a very good deal if you ask me.
Really nice comparison !
Thank you! Cheers!
Fwiw while we all struggle with price, the cases here are $200 and $400, not like one's watching dollars too hard. Oh and yeah the 4070TI to me just feels elegant because of its efficiencies, power and heat matter to me to.
We need more competition in the GPU
I'm not sure, it's the competition that pushes these atrocious power usages...
Well... what are you waiting for start your own company.
@brugj03 sure, can I get a small loan of a million dollars
4070Ti doesn't even pull full 285W in rasterized games, often sitting around 220W
Nice video! I think I don't need to wait for a possible 5070 in 2024 or 2025, 4070ti for 1440p 144hz gaming is a hot spot right now, so even more efficient and cost/performace gpus come in the next few years, this GPU is the last i would need
Thanks. The 4070ti for 1440p/144Hz is the most energy efficiency way to go.
I managed to carefully install this thing into a tuf gt301 after removing the middle fan but I would not recommend it because the side panel cannot be closed tight near the power connectors so I leave the side panel loose and call it a victory. Not in the mood to migrate an entire system into a new case.
And that's not even a small case! These GPUs could be smaller.
i have 4070 ti and 13600k with 1080p and this card will prove itself for future proof of an entire 9th gen era on native resolution, and its very good card
That because difference between loveace's node and the ampere's node is night and day .
("Samsung's" 8nm vs "tsmc's" 4nm)
They push the wattage for a little more performance for a few reasons. One is that the lowest quality silicon will still perform well. Another is to look good in the charts against AMD. People look at performance charts first, and power usage is secondary to that. Also, I realize that small form factor pc's are cool, but I would never personally use a case so small as to limit my options because that's exactly what it does.
Exactly, if Europe didn't suffer for increased electricity prices, we would have even less reviewers that measured power consumption today. As for small form factor, I'd say mid tower already has issues with higher-end cards, so it's not too out of proportion. :)
SFF may be the only thing keeping me from wasting my money on a 4090.
@@etherealceleste I was wondering the other day if anyone has ever hacksawed off the end of the cooler and crimped and soldered the heat pipes so that it has 2 fans. I don't have one to measure how much sorter that would make it. I'm joking of course (but it might make it fit).
$800 in today's money is about what $700 was worth 2 years ago, accounting for the insane inflation. I wish it was cheaper, but the 4070 Ti is definitely a great GPU in terms of performance per watt. RTX 3090 performance with lower power draw, plus DLSS 3 at $800 isn't THAT bad a deal in the current market.
The insane inflation is a sad reality.
Inflation does not effect semiconductors the same way it effects consumer goods. GPUs are the only semiconductor to get a price hike, despite the fact materials used to build a GPU have gotten cheaper since 2 years ago.
Please do not use pseudo facts as a foundation's for your arguments, but I understand what you're saying about why it's good value in your opinion.
When i think of 599-799 for a gpu its mid to high end. 4070 Ti aint no punk either that gpu got some thump under it and its a Ti so its not super bad. Ive been gaming with one and tested atleast 20 games and they all run nice @ 1440p with different refresh rates no problem. Sure the memory bus is 192 / Sure it has 12 gb of vram but even with all that...Gpu can pack a punch NGL.
Thing is to @ first i was thinking 4080 but after i kept looking @ benchmarks and seeing what type of fps the 4070 Ti was kicking out i couldn't pass that up plus the type of games i play and how i use settings the card will last me until im ready to upgrade just like the GTX 1080 did and i was gaming at 1440p/4k 60fps...
Go figure
@@Hybred Increased inflation reduces the currency's buying power. It literally effect's everything from Rent to Groceries to Utilities and yes even GPU's which are indeed consumer goods.
@@captain3186 not true. The price of materials that go into GPUs such as copper has went down drastically since 2020 making it cheaper, which shows you that these industries are not effected in the same way. If semi-conductors were hit by inflation than why are GPUs the ONLY semi-conductor products that have had their price raised?
What you think the prices be for 4090 in 2 year or 3?
I actually did a video recently, "Four Figure GPUs - Are High Prices Here to Stay?", that covers that topic.
I have M1Max and M2Max macbook, but I don't game with it. I use it for machine learning. For training models, M2Max with 96G is way cheaper than spending 10K for A100 40G. To get 80G, you'd have to spend 20K to be able to load Large Language Models (LLMs) without quantizing float32 down to 16 or 8 bit. If you quantize Llama model down to 8bit, you can load 7B model in a 16G Nvidia card.
I have both a 4080 and a 4090 (for work) and I can confirm both have similar power limit sweet spots.
I was inspired to check because of a Der Bauer video exploring the same angle and was also baffled how they push the wattage for 3 to 5 percent performance gains.
When ran around a 60-70% power limit, the cards stay cool and quiet and make you wonder why the need for such a massive cooling solution and the infamous power adapter.
The Asus Strix is so heavy that it can damage your slot with a single bad installation (cards are so big you have improper visibility), you are almost forced to go for a vertical mount.
The Gigabyte models tend to do better as, due to their plastic construction, they weigh way less and are slightly smaller (they are still massive and heavier than their Ampere counter parts though).
I'm annoyed that I'm forced to undervolt/power limit the cards as soon as I take them out of the box so they are sustainable for work situations but I assume this is way better than paying the robbery prices they are asking for the A series pro GPUs.
Hopes this helps somebody.
The performance per watt is amazing compared to last gen as you can run it relatively cool. It would be a nice option to buy one with lower power and smaller cooler...for less money. Thank you for sharing!
@@ImaMac-PC Indeed, here for work I use Lian Lin Air Mini cases and these GPUs are a nightmare to deal with.
60% power limit is my sweet spot for 4090
Can confirm: undervolted 4070ti is cold and quiet like a corpse and still running faster than 3080ti even without framegen
Very nice. Are you using it for 1440p or 4k?
@@ImaMac-PC 1440p. Lower the voltage to the minimal value - 0.890v and gpu is still capable to run on 2.6 ghz. Its like having 3080ti perfomance with 3050 power consumption. And using framegen it's even higher than 3090ti
I have the NZXT H 1 Version 2. Not just does it have a more powerful Power Supply. Even then i tested an Asus Rog Strix RTX 3090 the GPU had no thermal issues. On the other hand the was 1x14” AIO made me quickly realize that my new 12900 K was simply too hot or that this cooler was not able to keep tve 12900 K in safe thermal limits. At max a 12700 K was ok with no thermal throttling or me having to under-volt it, especially since i had purchased the NZXT H 1 for youtube lifestreams with 2 4 K 10 Bit Cameras.
After lowering power limit, you forgot to overclock memory, to compensate 192-Bit bus.
This is why I am still hopeful for this generation. So efficient, and it's no wonder why the rumoured lower tier models have such low TDPs
There's still a problem with those cards: disgustingly low VRAM and memory bitrates. These cards will not last long due to increasing memory requirements. 4070 TI is already showing signs of memory bottleneck in more demanding games, and benchmarks have proof.
The 4070ti got trashed everywhere, made me hesitant when I could get one for 750€. I’m glad I did though because this is a very impressive gpu
It did get trashed, but I was really surprised when I compared it to my 3090. It does perform really well.
I mainly got the 4070ti for its power efficiency and I wasn’t disappointed. Also the temps are great! Price aside, this is a very solid gpu for 1440p
It's just the price. It really is a nice GPU.
perfect.
Ahh got your check !
They do this since it costs you money on electricity and heats up your room, neither of which costs them anything. But they get higher in the benchmarks, which actually sells cards.
After playing around a bit with my 4090 I found that around a 70-75% power limit gives me ~95% of the performance even in the more demanding games. CP2077 went from 107 to 102 fps, power draw from ~400W to ~320W with my settings (4k, DLSS Q+FG, RT Ultra). My 3080 used ~340W and struggled to reach a locked 60 fps without looking like crap. I'm really impressed with what Nvidia has managed to do when it comes to Ada, never been this happy with a GPU in 20+ years of building my own PC's, even if it was really expensive.
Aren't you quite the pay pig for Ngreedia.
Those are really good numbers. Ada is impressive with the performance per watt. My 3090 consumes over 400W for the same performance as the 4070 Ti.
if we go by performance to price ratio betw 3080 and 3090 .
ada lovelace has a huge performance upgrade betwen their GPU dies.
and it is justified who has had money to buy 3090
Looking forward to getting my 4090 going. 😬
Wish there were more actually 2 slot cards (40mm or less). The 3090 got one, why can't this
This just goes to show that Ampere was really good but Samsung was holding Ampere back, glad they made the switch to TSMC where they can stretch their legs
i returned my 1 year old 3090 to the store and they gave me 4070ti asus rog strix instead because they didnt have anymore 3090s, and tbh i have a mixed feeling about it since i play on 4k
I get that. I considered replacing my 3090 with the 4070ti. And while the 4070ti is really good at 4k today, I think the bandwidth limitations will begin to show in the next couple of years as newer games get more demanding. Plus, the 3090 will never run out of VRAM...at least not during its useful life.
@@ImaMac-PC i had no choice but to take the 4070ti well i will probably upgrade the whole system in 2 years so i hope the 4070ti will be ok untill then
The push of extra 33% from 210w, so RTX 4070 Ti can match up RTX 3090 Ti in Time Spy, and hence the hefty price tag of $799
I wonder what the 5070ti will be price @$1000?
A 6070ti $1200,
Pc gaming future is looking baad and pc reviewers don't want this conversation.
Why do they push another 60W for no meaningful performance gain? Aside from Nvidia wouldn't be the one paying your power bills, because if 4070ti was announced at 220W when it was named 4080 12G, it would trick fewer buyers. 🤑
I like this gpu just because of Ada
dude you are amazing
just what i was looking for
i really wish you could do this with a 4080 as well
im sitting hard thinking about the 4070ti or 4080 to buy
both are very expensive in my country as the 4070to cheapest is already at 1000 dollars
so hard choices
i game at 144 hz 34 inch..3440 x 1440p resolution
i need the refresh fps in games
it saeems to me after watching many videos on youtube a 4080 is actually the best choice for 144hz..better than 4070ti to be honest
man i love your work
you very clever
Thanks. The 4070ti is great for small form factor and power consumption. It will be limited by its 12GB of VRAM in 2-3 years. For an Ultra Wide at high refresh that is 5M pixels vs 3.6M on a true 1440p (2560x1440). I personally would save for the 4090 and use it for years. It will likely have better resale as well. However, that is out of reach for many and the 4080 will get the job done. Always have to balance what you need vs what you want. Easy to get caught up in the FOMO. Stay away from the FOMO!
@@ImaMac-PC yeah fomo is the killer in many people
but a 4090 i can get..its the price that the issue
i can nearly buy a car for that price here
4090 is way too much
it has to be a 4070ti or 4080 for me ..as resell value will be easier in 2 years time..to upgrade to 5000 series
The "Imposter 4070 Ti" from... The first manufacturer to bring that to the market will have a hit!
It has a trick where it makes your money disappear
As someone who got burned buying an overpriced 3070 I'm a little salty about NVIDIA VRAM specs... I'm really tempted to buy the 7900XT.
People: omg 4070Ti is a scam!!!
Meanwhile my country: hurr durr 3070Ti only $100 less than 4070Ti
Have a 4080 @ 80% PL. Max wattage about 235w, almost a 80-90w drop from its 320w rating and with only a 5% performance penalty. AMD cards as well can run at much lower power with little perf loss.
Thanks for sharing 4080 results. Have not heard that about the 7900 GPUs.
why power target? use undervolting. way better!
I agree. Just limited time.
4070ti for $700 would be a nice card.
And if they would start making a tuned-down 210W version with a cheaper PCB and with cheaper cooling for $600 - $650 this would be a market killer.
And this is a reason why such a card doesn't and can't exist.... they have to keep selling Ampere cards they overproduced.
We are paying for their greed and nothing else.
I do see the availability in Ampere cards like the 3070ti and 3070 starting to dry up, but I don't expect the price of the 4070ti to come down after they're gone. A monopoly can set whatever price they want.
@@ImaMac-PC Yes, but boxes rotting on the shelves won't make shareholders happy for sure. Recently I bought a 3060ti on a used market for $250 because this generation is a hard pass for me and will wait for the 50xx.
i have 4070 ti palit premium,its good,silent,and doesnt go hot
Yes, and if you bump it down 50W (e.g. 80% Power Limit), it's runs very cool and quiet.
@@ImaMac-PC i dont have touched it even the bios is set to silence not performance
the dual bios on the gpu
I got the 4070ti due to the fact that the previous gen was the same price
That was the right move. Enjoy that GPU!
I must be tired because I was baffled at first how you could be spending $700 dollars on a pizza lol
😂😂😂
Nice prices there in US. In Europe i had to give 1185 euro for my 4070Ti
What model? Here in the netherlands most models seem to be around 900-1000 euros
@@Bramagon Gigabyte gaming oc
@@Bramagon in Greece
@@Bramagon I probably paid more because I wanted to get it immediately and not pre-order it.
Its a nice GPU, BUT the problem still remains: What value do I have from this card over the years with only 12GB VRAM? I can play in 1440p max sttings for 2 years maximum? For a 850€+ price? what?
For the cards efficiency I would need at least 5 years of max usage for it to pay off from the money I safe for electricity in contrast to the price I bought it for, but the card will have to be replaced after only 2 years with that amount of VRAM (or go down to 1080p..but 900 bucks for a now 1080p card only after 2 years? cmon man..)
If it had 16GB VRAM and a MSRP of 600-ish bucks.. holy hell Nvidea wouldnt be a clownfiesta and instead Jensen would have fulfilled his words from years ago: Providing top technology for a good price.
Too bad Nvidea showed its true face and made the current prices based on pure, delusional statistics and numbers from the mining years, since the consumer seemingly is just a dumb puppet who blindly buys everything they sell. But hey they r doing the AI stuff now, so they dont care if no GPU sells anyways..
Yea, after two years, you may be having to lower settings way down to keep at 1440p or as you suggest, it becomes a 1080p GPU. Doesn't seem worth it for the price.
@@ImaMac-PC But u said it all in the vid, excellent research, nothing to add
The 4070ti would have needed more VRAM to entice me.
Even for the 4080, I have a bad feeling about the 16GB.
But AMD is worse in every other aspect.
I mean -10% on the available Power Slider? That's concerning stuff right there... and we are not even at 110W to watch a YT Video.
How that thing got approved for sale is a Mystery to me. And I think every other Energy consuming Utensil would not have been approved by the EU for something like that.
The 12gb VRAM was the main reason I skipped the 4070Ti and bought the 4080 for a worse value. I will keep this GPU for 5 years or so and 16gb seemed like the bare minimum to me.
In 2-3 years, you'll be glad you did. The 4070 ti 12GB limitation will look like the 3080 10GB does today.
@@ImaMac-PCbut its the most efficient card of the lot
ppl like me who has 650w psu .
it's the only gpu that is supported.
currently im on 3070 n looking forward to 4070 ti when their price dropped to certain level.
@@transistorjump919 my deepcool case cud only accomodate 310mm length of GPUs 🙄🙄😭😭
@@transistorjump919 yeah bro .but that's a generalization. im not like everybody who wants to dump its well made and flawless deepcool tesserect black edition case. 🥺 there is thing reusing and recycling things.
What about that big bottleneck at 4k?
I probably wouldn't buy at $700, no reason to reward Nvidia for putting out a turd gen over gen. I really hope their earnings are disastrous and they have to reset a la turing.
What are you waiting for, start your own company and show them.
Or keep moaning the rest of your life.
Besides what is turd with over twice as fast over previous generation. Tell me.....
I would get it for 550. To answer your questionI think you would have to apply the same to the 4090
In Australia it's still one of the best choices if you want to upgrade as 3080 is $1200 and 3080ti $1400 plus while the 4070ti can be as low as $1200 for meh brands but a nice tri MSI for $1350 so the 4070ti makes sense. All cards are a ripoff here you just have to decide what is more of a ripoff lol.... the 3090 and 3090ti are still $2000 to $3000 here!!
I have this card and I’m loving it. It’s very efficient for the performance you get.
I’m sure the performance is quite good but at around $1200 in Canada that’s approximately double what the 3070 came in at. Just an insult to gamers as that’s crypto mining prices….far to expensive for most gamers and not good value at all 🖕Nvidia ( that’s before tax your pushing $1400 and up after tax)
That is an insulting price in Canada. Would never feel good about that purchase.
Mad decision from these companies nowadays
The reason seems to be all specs. Die size, bus, mem capacity. When we heard Jensen surprised how well clocks Lovelace on new node, we could sniff betrayal. Emotions of tough businessman are usually with connection of opportunity to milk customers for less.
You are spot on. You have a good sniffer 🙂
I set the lower limit of my 5700XT to -30%. Almost no difference in performance but the card suddenly is whisper quiet
Love this gpu💋
All hardware manufacturers are pushing this gen to it's absolute maximum. The new Ryzen 7000 series was the same, you must turn on eco mode. Intel was leading the way IMO to this ridiculous power consumption and temps... The problem is they optimize their products for uneducated US consumer and the general review process of their products. 5% gains in the benchmarks may be small, but noticeable factor. While 33% increased power consumption is big, but vastly ignored.
IMO, it's extremely funny, that the west is supposedly "going green", but nobody cares about electricity cost, as long as it's cheap. Of course, it's just a pose. Even in this video, the concern was not building power efficient PC that makes sense, but fitting in small form factor. A reasonable PC should be 100-150W CPU and 200-250W GPU. RTX 4070 Ti is actually 4070, and should have been 220W like the previous gen. But why not overclock it to the max, and brand it as 4080... That's the NVIDIA thinking. I personally like this card as a product, don't like how they are trying to sell it. Therefore - I'm not buying it, at least until it reaches reasonable price for what it is.
Something i dont get..seems all the reviewers are comparing the 4070Ti's MSRP to the launch MSRP of the last gen..to decide of its a good value. but the problem is last gen yards are currently not selling anywhere close to their msrp. a 3080 currently still costs over 1k. so....while the MSRP may be higher than last gen's launch MSRP...its still hundreds of dollars cheaper than buying last Gen cards of similar or lower performance. it basically makes it pointless to purchase last gen and very reasonable purchase for anyone in the market for a new GPU who doestn want to pay 1k for reasonable performance. I bought a PC with a RX 5700 in 2020 ..always knew i was gonna upgrade but to me, performance to price ratio for upgrading wasn worth until now. yeah, i wish it was cheaper...but i wish ALL the cards were cheaper. lol.
You get it......the other are just babbling. Let them.
It is a nice card but 850 it’s too much although 700 750 would be chill. I mean I’d bitch about it but I’d still get it.
paying almost $1000 for a 70 class card is dumb.
12GB of vram is more than enough, many games use on 1080p and 1440p use below 4GB with no rt even with current gen games and rt is slightly aboove 6GB, anything above 6 or 7GB in raster performance is engine/optimization issue, so 4070 ti is very good card, i dont think so that in entine 9th gen era games in raster perf will use above 7GB, it just seems unrealistic, with rt maybe, but for entire 9th gen this card will be more than enough
just bought my 4070ti today.. ahha
It runs cool and quiet, I think you'll like it.
Gpu got some snap @ 1440p. What's going to be the worst is when a 4080 Ti drops lol then the people saying "you should of bought a 4080 haha i can see it now...
For 1440p and high refresh rates the 4070 Ti is like what the 970 use to be for 1440 back then it was the sweet spot but this was when games wasnt demanding and 1440p was a bit ezier to run tho its still not as hard but games has gotten a little tougher then you add on 120+ hz
Needs to be $400....
Needs to be vs what it is which is different. Still the 4070 Ti is still that card. Been playing @ 1440p / 165hz no problem and im not a fan of amd drivers so thats out the water which i was on a GTX 1080 so yea the Ti running nice
Why do they bother spending so much extra power to gain that last 5% when finalising the card specs? It seems well beyond the efficiency curve
They could make the cards much smaller with smaller cheaper coolers
Why is the 5% so valuable ??
I don't know. It almost seems they follow the thought that as long as they are physically big, then they can charge big money!
No chance for 4070ti: too narrow memory bus, too less memory.
4080 is more efficient than this card, I undervolted/underclocked my FE model to 2700mhz flat at 925mV and it draws 215W under max load and beats this card at the same wattage & shaves off a 100W from the rated TDP for virtually the same performance compared to the stock clock at 2745mhz (Full power). I promise you if you can get your hands on a 4080 it would really blow your mind with the efficiency.
That is impressive!
Its honestly good card. No way I pay double for 4090 and 4080 is only little better.
Exactly. 4080 has around 25% better perf for 50% upsell. No deal at all.
It’s trash the Memory Bus is 192 MB/ s when it SHOULD BE 256 MB/s (You’re being CHARGED MORE FOR LESS)
You should learn a bit more about gpus. Memory bus isnt the whole story. Theres cards that has 256 bus and lower gb/s so its more to it then that.
The card as a whole together is what makes up the full speed
But if they was to put 256 the price would of been 899 or more
Haha lol, everyone is under powering their op mofos for less heat/consumption/stability. 🔥 100w for 15fps tradeoff, that is a lot of gains!
at 700 bucks is just normal gpu with normal 20% uplift if we compare to 3080 but yeah we life in sucker world everyone just wants to buy latest spolied people supporting scammers so thats how it is and pls dont tell me you dont like it dont buy it
The problem is what choice do you really have. You can hold out only so long and eventually you need a GPU for your PC.
So here's the funny thing. The GPU market is even worse outside of the US. We have to pay for the tolling costs, which for some countries isn't that bad, but for others, like myself, anything surpassing roughly 500 USD basically adds 2-3 hundred to the cost of the item. So let's say you have a 600 USD card to sell me. That now costs me 800-900 USD after it's been shipped across.
Because of this, I don't know whether to laugh or cry about Americans complaining about a couple of hundred dollars. Even the cheap cards cost me 500-700 USD. The price for a 4070 ti is 1000 USD. The price for a 4080 is 1400 USD. 4090 is 2000 USD. By this point I'm sure you'd say something like buy an older series card. That would work, and I would except they aren't in stock.
It's rough out here for an aspiring PC gaming enthusiast. Intel's Arc cards are actually in a good price range, but I am very unsure about them. I know it's a meme, but maybe it's best to just stick it out and wait some more.
Those prices are really bad. Wait if you can. The GPUs are not selling well and after a couple of quarters, they will have to respond. Likely second half of this year.
Yeh but you get DLS 3.0 😂😂
They did it for money and benchmarks. The hardly improved the card over the 4070.
Yea. At the target resolution of 1440p, the 4070 will be like a 3080 and the 4070 Ti more like a 3090 Ti. Not much differentiation for $200.