The Fountain that Divided the World - Here is the Real Story
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
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This is the story of one of the most famous works in modern art. Some call it revolutionary, others say it is nonsense, but whatever your opinion of it, the story behind it may surprise you.
It takes us back to the early 20th century and the beginning of the avant-garde movements in the United States, where art was to become democratic. But of course some people challenged these ideas, and at the same time raised questions about the very nature of art.
At first I'd love to thank you for ALL work that you're doing here. It's amazing how much I have learned from your videos! Art history is the biggest passion of my life, but in my work I have no contact with it... and thanks to ppl like you, the art somehow seems to be closer to me.
And secondly, thanks for this particular video!! It's not only very informative, but also though provoking... I have seen The Fountain so many time times, but I never knew the whole story behind it. Its amazing! ❤
Oh, I really feel you when you said how the history of art is your biggest passions but it's not included in your work. The same is with me and it's so nice to have these kinds of platforms where we can enjoy it :)
Absolutely FASCINATING!!!! No matter what we may personally think of any individual piece of art, there is always something fascinating to learn and broaden our own horizons, AND perhaps even broaden our own taste and appreciation, and your insight and knowledge makes that journey a true pleasure Carel!!! For myself personally, it wasn't until I started studying art history in earnest (especially after studying Renaissance Art History in Florence, in Italian 😁😁) that I started to lose respect for so much "modern" art, most especially so much art since the late 60s and 70s when it all really earnestly started to become just about money and a huge fraud , an utterly manipulated market! Maybe you can guess I am quite a fan of Robert Hughes? (And not just because he's a fellow Aussie 😂) MAYBE that's one reason why people get so angry about this one??? Seeing this piece really was the root of all the BS we have today?? Or opening the door?? 🤷🏻♀ FASCINATING anyway Carel, as always, and many many thanks... such a great choice!!!
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Thank you for taking the time to make a video where you take the time to explore and explain all the implications of this art piece (weither we consider it as is or not, we have to admit it is historical)
Very interesting and thought provoking! I have seen pictures of it but only knew about the ready mades being used as a pieces of art. I never heard the backstory. Thank you for making the video and your time in the research to teach us more about it. I always looked at it as satire.
I"m bummed that Carel hasn't put anything up on youtube lately. I appreciate his knowledge and I''ve learned a lot from his information of each work of art he has commented on- many of which I have made trips to see.
But I don't know anything about instagram or care about facebook, so I guess I'll have to plod on without Carel's excellent insights. :(
I’ve watch a few of your videos and like them very much. You have subtle yet straight forward approach to art history as well as very informative. This is my favorite so far thank you for your time and effort making theses videos.
How I miss your precious videos, I'm reading the divine comedy and I found myself thinking how I would like to hear you talk about some works in museums that were inspired by Dante, or talk about Gustav Dore or William Blake. I learn so much from you, here are my humble suggestions, but above all, thank you very much because for your content.
I used to be interested in Duchamp and the lot of them. 4 years at art school and a few years reflecting on the corpus of world art woke me up. Most art post photography is little more than personal therapy. Artists pre photography mostly worked to commission. The industrial age made the need for art redundant. Duchamp isn't making art, he's just trying to pass time as un bored as possible.
Thank for sharing
Artists are very interesting people. I am a great admirer of art and the artists themselves. They live in a world we plebes cannot hope to understand or inhabit. But we can admire. We can be provoked.
Duchamp was like Warhol, having fun with us all.
My take is that the fact that Marcel Duchamp, almost half a century later, managed to come up with the name of an ironworks, J.L. Mott on 118th Street, that actually existed in that location is, in itself, a pretty good basis for thinking that he was the one behind _The Fountain._ That the company did not sell to the public or, for that matter, sell that particular urinal, isn’t really dispositive-it might have had some display or prototype model that hadn’t made it into the company catalogue and whoever was onsite that day might have just made an exception to sell it to someone who walked in off the street. If Else von Freytag-Loringhoven, his friend, made artwork out of plumbing works, it’s not really a stretch to think that Duchamp’s urinal-turned-artwork was some sort of nod toward, or, at least, influenced by, her.
As for liking or “hating” _The Fountain,_ I seriously doubt that anyone _likes_ it as itself-it’s a pretty ugly work of art. But that’s not the point. It might be “anti-art” but I tend to think of it as “meta-art,” that is, art _about_ art, prompting the eternal question “What is art?” And, to the extent that anything intended to prompt _something_ by its aesthetics _could_ be art, it’s been pretty successful.
that´s what I often experience. If you just step in and be frankly, things will happen that are different from the usual. And if he was for this urinal in the window because he had sth. in mind and had just asked about - I mean, let this guy take it, We have more of these.
I really like your videos. They are so educative, and yet you really enrich them with your thoughts and visions. I truly enjoyed how you gave a different aspects and points of view about the modern art.
Glad you like them!
The fact that 100 years later we are still here discussing the validity, or lack thereof, is exactly what the dadaist movement was trying to provoke.
If I put an old urinal somewhere in the public, I don't know that I, or anyone else, would call that art at face value.
But the fact that it was submitted to a gallery to test the ideals of the allegedly libertine art community means that it is art. Like you said, it begs the question, "what is art?" I think perhaps the discussion being had here is whether or not something is only art if it is accepted as art, and so why do institutions like art academies have this authority to determine what is or isn't art? Why is it only up to the gallery, etc.? The provocation itself is an expression with intent, which is a form of art.
To truncate, the urinal itself isn't art, even in at the dysfunctional angle on a plinth. The provocation, on the other hand, is. So perhaps "The Fountain" placed in a gallery isn't the art, but the challenging of the institution of art then transforms "The Fountain" into art as a representation of said provocation.
I’m Absolutely swamped with work right now but I always appreciate your insight Carel. I can’t wait to set aside some time to hear your thoughts on the dada movement
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Great video! Very thought provoking. Is it art? I think it probably is, though I don't know that I would want it on display in my home. What is art? I'm not sure that there is a good answer to that, but maybe like beauty it's in the eye of the beholder.
Fantastisch verhaal Carel
Hi Carel, great video and story surrounding this iconic object and Duschamps. Amazing to learn that he lived in my home country Brazil for some time. I will definitely do some research on that! Is it possible to hire you for a guided tour of the Rijksmuseum? Thanks!
Yes you can! contact me on Carelstoriesofart@gmail.com and we can see when and what!
I think people don't hate an 100 years urinal by itself, but for what it ignited in the following years and the decadence of art in general.
Well stated.
"Das Schweigen von Marcel Duchamp wird überbewertet" (= The silence of Marcel Duchamp is overrated - Joseph Beuys) - Well I don´t think so!
My dilema conclusion would be that: If it's an art, it's radical purpose mostly for art gallery self evaluate how far an art can be. If it's not, then it's also a thought how far it couldn't be an example of what art can be.
....Either way, it's also another more confusing third pov when one would argue that "It only works because it's in gallery or else a toilet/ glassess/ teddy bear/ poop can/ any such object will lose its value/ integrity outside the gallery, hence only dumping out as another trashes to our environments, unlike paintings/ sculptures/ photographs".......With the fire back argue also asking: "but how far the so-called proper arts like paintings/ sculptures/ photographs/ any so-called fine arts could've looked proper when they also experimented many times into as equal can be as the outcasts said trashes?"..........At this rate I'm afraid it'll need more decades to discussing what art is, which I guess that's the whole point of this fountain anyway no matter what the answer maybe 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
What about the tag on the original.?
It was Elsa.
😂❣️ Thanks
Carel, please how do we contact you for a visit with you?? I couldn't find your email in the ABOUT section of your youtube channel. Thanks!!
Yes that would be so great! you can contact me at carelstoriesofart@gmail.com
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This kind of smug, cynical artwork fermented deep trouble in Europe in the early twentieth century.
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