Key Bridge Collapse Misinformation
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- The Francis Scott Key Bridge is located in Baltimore, Maryland and carries I695. The bridge was struck by a container ship on or about 1:30 AM on March 26th.
The first piece of misinformation about the bridge occurred at 6:33 AM, Mar 26, 2024 by Indian Defense Analyst Abhijit Iyer-Mitra.
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The tweet has since been copied and shared multiple times over the past few hours with inauthentic and AI accounts taking over to increase engagement.
This kind of misinformation is very dangerous because it "feels" true and that can be exploited by disinformation agents to twist the video's meaning.
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The Francis Scott Key Bridge is located in Baltimore, Maryland and carries I695. The bridge was struck by a container ship on or about 1:30 AM on March 26th.
The first piece of misinformation about the bridge occurred at 6:33 AM, Mar 26, 2024 by Indian Defense Analyst Abhijit Iyer-Mitra.
twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1772572534090707051
The tweet has since been copied and shared multiple times over the past few hours with inauthentic and AI accounts taking over to increase engagement.
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Inspired by what you do, it has increased my own criticism of spin doctors. We're going to be moving near Elkton. Keep up the great work!
Would be funny if you could do warship bingo and refinery bingo shirts, they would sell like hotcakes.
I reported I believe 3 of the posts with the pic of the car on the shoreline. What I saw and ran with (knew it was a disinformation pic/post as it wasn’t dawn in MD when I first saw the pic/posts) was from the BBC titled; ‘Dungiven: Man escapes after car crashes into river’
1 January 2022. Whenever I happen across something sus looking on X, (I by no means live on that platform) I reverse image search it and try to do my part, like you are in this video. Keep up the yeoman’s work, sir! 🫡🇺🇸
Hmmmm..... Twitter........ not tiktok.... maybe all of these are potentially dangerous.
Imagine being patient zero for a new conspiracy theory.
Imagine if social media spent 10% of this man’s effort to clean up their shitposting sites.
Never happen. Musk and Zuckerberg make too much money from shitposting.
Elon says no.
He needs the engagement.
Why would social media sites spend money to make less money?
Still waiting for NBC, CNN and others, plus Rachel MadCow, to clean up theirs.
Bullshit asymmetry principle.
25 year professional, unlimited tonnage deck officer here. If you watch to whole video, the ship loses power, the first time, with over 4 minutes before the allision. Even the navigation lights turned off so that tells me they weren't using the emergency generator at that time. The nav lights and a steering pump are on the emergency power circuit. It took a minute for power to return and the nav lights turned back at that time. Which tells me that the emergency generator didn't automatically turn on for a minute. That's too long. Once the power is restored, the ship is already starting to drift to stbd, toward the bridge pier. Black smoke billows out of the stack 20 seconds later which could be the crew putting the engine in reverse. But more likely, it was the crew restarting the main engine after it crash stop. Black smoke like that is common during the restart after a crash stop of the engine. At this point they have less than 3 minutes to stop. Without the engine, it's impossible. The Pilots, Captain and crew could have done everything right but a total power failure at that critical point, they were screwed. Human error? Yes! Everything is traced back to human error, but it doesn't have to be malicious intent.
Great bit of info, thanks for that.
To anyone who thinks he spelled "collision" wrong, an allision refers to a crash between a moving ship and a stationary object (whether an immobile ship or a piece of infrastructure), whereas collision refers to a crash between two moving ships.
Thanks for sharing this, context is always important
Thanks for first hand knowledge.
Thank you for your service.
Thanks so much for the insight from somebody who clearly knows what they’re talking about as opposed to a bunch of news anchors who couldn’t row a rubber dinghy around the pond in the local park. It looks a right mess to cleanup obviously the first job is going to be to fish out any bodies they can find do the investigations but also can you imagine it’s gonna be a right mess getting all the parts of the bridge out of the river so they can reopen the channel and even then they gotta figure out how the hell they’re going to Get the bridge back whole thing or they rebuild it. Do they put in a tall bridge to allow more shipping to come underneath or do they have a suspension bridge?
In your opinion, what would be a better solution? Modern shipping a suspension bridge or a much taller bridge? And how do you think they will improve the pe to make them more resistance to collections please?
I presume that port is tidal?
Social media is a shit show.
I work in microbial ecology. You have no idea how right you are. If there's one thing I've learned in seven years in this field, it is that cooperation and interesting behavior only occurs in systems that have spatial structure where organisms interact most strongly with their neighbors and less strongly with those further away. The instant you have a well-mixed system where every individual interacts equally strongly with every other, it collapses to low complexity and being overrun with antagonistic interactions and parasites. The game theory of cooperation versus antagonism and the payoff matrix of parasitism just changes completely. Sound familiar?
It's always been a shit show, let's be honest. Social media should've gone away a long time ago
Social media has *got to go*
@@personzorz That is indeed interesting and does sound awful familiar...
Most of it is actually antisocial media
It's quite frustrating that every big event or tragedy now has to be followed by a flood of blatant lies and misinformation blasted all over the internet. Thank you for your work of keeping us thinking as fast as some people spread nonsense.
Based on current events in Maui, East Palestine, Ohio and our open borders, of course some will be skeptical when tragedies occur.
I have my doubts about this but let's see what other information comes out.
It's not just the internet. Fox News is spreading panic even further with this story according to their wild speculations.
If only pretty much every COVID conspiracy didn't end up being a fact and everything we were told by the government ended up being a lie.....maybe this wouldn't be an issue.
@lisarodriguez2926 half of the East Palestine crap was BS as well....
Praying for the 8 road crew members, they were repaving potholes. I've done that exact work before. 2 have been rescued. Thank your local DOT. This is hard work.
I'm surprised it's not a metal grate road surface bridge, any idea how many lanes it had?
@@dukecraig24024 total. 2 on each side on the main spans.
@@dukecraig24024 Lanes. It's the main road for interstate 695. Also a major travel route to BWI airport. I believe the road deck is concrete?
@@dukecraig24024 right?
@@RohanSingh-zc4bm
Don't know, Wikipedia might have a page on it, surprisingly they have a page for a lot of big bridges, I'm gonna see if they do.
It's actually Ghoulish how many People are so willing to believe conspiracies
Because it’s exciting and ppl trust emotions more than facts
I unfortunately personally know people just like that. EVERYTHING is suspect, nothing is just what it is with these people. Its mentally exhausting x.x
Yeah, about one third of America believed a particular conspiracy theory for three whole years that an elected US president was a Russian spy. 'Respected' news agencies pushed this theory 24/7. To this day, many still believe it.
part of the problem is when it becomes apparent that there is a lie being told to explain something. I think the moon landing is a prime example. Instead of simply stating/clarifying that some "mood landing" footage was done in studio as a recreation/representation/practice for mission. By trying to be coy they leave the door open for alternate theories that seem plausible because SOMETHING is fishy. Deception breeds false theories and provides circumstantial "evidence".
twatter is a dumpster fire
The time lapse video skews the perception also. It makes the events appear to be happening much faster than they actually did. That ship didn't make a quick turn, it drifted.
What's Going On With Shipping is going to be the best source of shipping & maritime information. Sal is FANTASTIC for providing clarity, perspective and information.
Lots of people offering up opinion with zero knowledge of ship handling and how ships operate.
The boat was headed in the Ukraine direction according to Purin.
Ik you're joking but dang there will be so many people who would believe this narrative.
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..actually he was heading for the Kerch bridge, but caught a wiff of some Maryland crab cakes and did a 180 toward the states.
why would you even listen to Putin on anything. That's like quoting satin on the conditions in heaven.
If you draw a line directly east from Baltimore, you do in fact hit the entrance to the Black Sea. Checks out.
0:38 “ship at 11 seconds abruptly changed course”
That phrase demonstrates no understanding of the situation
That ship, any ship of that size, does not “abruptly” change course.
That ship had a pilot aboard who is licensed for that port, who was in command of maneuvers.
Without consulting a tidal chart & table, it looks to me as if may have been a current, and/or wind that carried the ship into the bridge and the ship lacked power at crucial moments when the pilot would have been setting up the ship for a turn.
Also the Timelapse straight up doesn’t show a change of course.
If anything it’s the lack of changing course that caused the collision.
Could have also been a temporary course correction taking place at the moment of the power cut freezing the rudders into position creating a greater turn. I also don't know to what extent or how the rudders are power assisted and could a power cut impact them unevenly - I'm expecting a ship that size would have more than one rudder
@@redf7209generally ships of this type have one rudder and one propeller. Attempts to drop anchor, failed to stop the ship.
He's right check with what happening with shipping channel, he a great video that shows the overhead tracking with camera footage and you can see the drifting of the vessel after the loss of power
IDK, I just saw the video on the news without any explanation about a half-hour ago. My first thought was that it looked like an aspect change occurred shortly before the collision.
I had to point out the apparent power outage to my mother who was getting concern trolled, unsure if that'll tide her over until the investigation or not. Thanks for doing your thing even away from home Ryan, appreciate you.
Thanks for mentioning Sal. His two videos so far are informative and backed up by knowledge and experience.
Since you're in Tampa, look into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge disaster that occured there. In 1980, an out-of-control cargo ship crashed into a bridge span, causing a collapse killing 35 people. The bridge that replaced it is much taller and has protection around its pilings.
Good point and it would have been better to talk about that than bring up that Russia is going to misinform us. I think I saw this movie in 2016.
@@MurryRothbeard why would that be better? do you not care that foreign agents would create lying narratives?
Seattle, June 11, 1978, West Seattle Bridge. Although the Duwamish River helped the Chavez, because of Seattle’s history of redesigning nature. About 100+ years ago, we straightened the River, and built a large man made island. The Harbor Pilot didn’t deserve to be murdered, but it was no one in Seattle did it. We got a better bridge out of it.
@@MurryRothbeard Well, Russia HAS been running rampant misinformation campaigns in this country, preying on people who are unable to think critically and love themselves some confirmation bias.
@@MurryRothbeardthis is a channel on military intelligence, not bridge architecture
I’m so tired of conspiracy theories FOR EVERYTHING
This is what happens when there's countless propaganda agents, most being controlled by Russia and China. It's easy to spread mass disinformation, especially because Americans are so politically divided.
When leadership throws accusations around all the time without regard to facts there is a general loss of credibility and people without trust are happy to believe what they want to believe. It creates a market for conspiracy theories. We should have been able to depend on news networks for context and truth but they were corrupted
@@Love_N_Let_LiveAmerican conspiracy théories are a pure product of American culture. They don't need to be "activated" by China, Russia or whatever
Have you heard that birds are fake?
Yes, good point the CIA has told us not to believe these things and they never put them out there for us to take in do they? They are not in any way responsible for any conspiracy theories. Everyone knows this.
The ship was under it's own power, not being guided by tugs. When it lost power all hell was breaking lose, they dropped the port side anchor and the one thing they shouldn't have done was back down power and tried to reverse out, that caused the ship to veer out of the shipping channel to it's starboard side and onto a collision path for one of the main support trusses for the bridge. The ship did not have enough room between the bridge truss and itself to stop and it slammed right into it. My dad's first cousin is a Harbor Master Pilot who works the Chesapeake Bay, there were two Harbor Master Pilots on board that ship at the time, I don't believe he was one of them, as of right now no names have been released. But all this was was a tragic accident, no conspiracies, no Tucker Carlson moment here.
Combating misinformation and viral mischief is a huge priority. Social media is a vast cesspool where the chaos and conspiracy clowns run free.
Combating misinformation is dangerous, especially when you don't trust those whose job it is to do so. Instead, look at it like this: conspiracy theories being so popular shows just how big distrust of mainstream media has gotten. We should be more concerned as to why that is.
It suffered some sort of mechanical failure, and, lost power. They did everything they could to stop the ship's momentum, but, a single screw ship, of that kind of displacement, without power, is basically entirely uncontrollable. In a restricted waterway, there's almost no way to prevent a collision under those circumstances.
The "co" part of "collision" implies two moving objects struck one another. A moving object striking a stationary object, like a bridge, is an "allision".
@@geoswan4984never even knew that word existed. Learned something new, thanks 😂
@@geoswan4984 The "all" in allision implies that everything crashed into everything, which _looks around_ sounds about right
@@geoswan4984 and the pedantry award goes to...
@@geoswan4984That can't be right...
Damn, there it is 😅
thank you. My husband agrees. Many people do not understand that a boat can't just STOP. (same with trains). The puff of smoke might mean someone trying to get the ship to reverse, but things went wrong at a bad time. Also the kind of bridge it is, means each bit depends on the other. An engineer could describe this type of bridge. It all fell down, as one piece fell. Nothing more needed than a large ship hitting just the right spot. Having driven that bridge often, I feel sad that such a vital link in the city is gone. Think of all the traffic that has gone over and under that bridge, and it did a good job for a long time. But nope, things happen is often the best explanation.
I must admit before i saw footage i thought the explanation of power loss might have been an excuse for failure to keep watch properly, ie captain sees that he will hit bridge too late and cuts poer as an excuse. Failure to keep proper watch is the cause of a lot of collisions. That theory doesnt really cut when you see it in real time on video though.
Neither one of you having any experience in engineering, or maritime emergency procedure, is shockingly apparent. You 2 should just stick to listening to Taylor Swift; it's a little closer to your speed of 'thought'.
@@michaelmaguire5594aw it’s adorable they hurt your fwee fwees 😂😂
@@michaelmaguire5594 They both contributed more to the discussion than you did, and where is your vitriol coming from?
@@jakeroper1096 Jesus, what are you, 9? Must have struck a chord in you with the Swift comment.
Glad you referenced the "What Is Going On In Shipping" web site. He has the most rational early analysis. I'll try to inclusions a link in a separate post, as it appears that UA-cam frequently filters links out. Comments in news reporting sites have gotten totally bizarre.
2:51 in st petersburg “WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!”
Already seeing the tweets claiming it was ukraine.
Ok but this is hilarious 😂
I miss when people blamed aliens and we could all just laugh at them.
Not surprised at all
I'm struggling to see how this could possibly benefit Ukraine.
@@peter65zzfdfhAliens doing this actually makes more sense than Ukraine doing it. That's how dumb blaming this on Ukraine is.
Ironic that you're in tampa recording this video, something eerily similar happened back in the 80's to the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, which crosses the Tampa Bay. Cargo ship crashed into a support pier of the bridge and brought a majority of the bridge down.
It happened during an intense rain storm that caused severely limited vision for drivers on the bridge. Cars drove off the edge of the collapsed bridge span into Tampa Bay over 400 feet below. Some of the cars fell onto the deck of the ship that caused the bridge span to collapse. A horrible way to die.
In Tampa the bridge was out for several minutes and cars were still driving off. Same with the Greyhound bus. One motorist was trying to warn others to stop but they just drive around him to their deaths. Every time I cross that bridge even though it's a new bridge now, I still think about it and take my time watching the road ahead.
Marine pilot here.. a commercial ship typically has at least 2 layers of emergency backup power supply that automatically activates upon power loss.
First is the emergency generator that will supplement 3 main generators aka auxilliary engines used during pilotted maneuvers (only 2 is used in open sea and another on standby alternately).
Secondly, if all else fail, the battery packs will trigger and has enough power for navigation equipments only.
Im not sure why the blackouts could have any effect to the main engine, as theyre fully mechanically fuel based. I suspect the cause of the power outtage isnt just a wattage overload. The emergency gen probably kicked in before the 2nd blackout.. and the battery packs failed.
Personally, i wouldve dropped anchor immediately to reduce the speed.. but with only a few seconds to spare, its a tough call.
As for the starboard swing, its not suspicious at all, as pilots do try to turn back 180deg while the ship still has momentum, when things go south. And a hard over to starboard is as recommended by the international rule of the road standard.
Apparently she did drop anchor (according to 'what's going on with shipping'). She just didn't have time for it to take effect. Could dropping the anchor cause the swing though? Best wishes.
@@Davey-Boyd after a closer look at the footage, i noticed black smoke from her funnel indicating they prolly revved the engine to full astern movt to stop the forward motion. Most single propeller commercial ships are built with a right handed propeller.. which mean when going astern, the propeller will turn left handed aka counter clockwise. This will dig into the water causing the bow (front end) to veer right, hence the right turning into the bridge pylon. This effect is called the transverse thrust. The stronger the astern propulsion, the faster the right turn.
@@Davey-Boydtypically, dropping the anchor and holding it at abt 2 shackles (55 mtrs) deep in the water should be able to stop the vessel with low speed. But i dont think theyd have enough time to drop that much. And the astern propulsion isnt helping either. The anchor chain wouldnt have the appropriate angle to drag the ship down.
@@jawsbushaxen4179 Thank you for your reply. I bow to your knowledge on the subject. I'm from the UK and my heart is with those affected.
Swing to starboard appears to be from the power full astern, worsened by the ship being single screw and either right or left handed
I have already seen a detailed minute to minute video of both the traffic lanes for the ships as tracked by the harbor as compared to the live feed cameras. The ship changes course after power comes back on but only for one engine. They tried to stop the ship, with only one engine it swung to starboard (the engine now working in reverse and on the opposite side of the smoke plume). This is exactly what to expect if the captain panicked and tried to stop the ship. You cannot stop one of those ships on one engine in the amount of space allowed at the speed greater than 8.5 knots. And that is what the harbor gps tracking shows.
Update: @ScienceChap provided the following ship information:
Nope. The MV Dali has a single 16 cylinder, 55000hp MAN B&W diesel engine turning a single propeller.
This still tracks with the GPS and other data above but proves it was a single engine. The speed reduction still checks, only the lateral movement to starboard has to be accounted for now. Probably (just a wild guess) it had to do with river currents and tide at the time of the incident.
Nope. MV Dali has a single 55000hp MAN B&W diesel engine turning a single propeller. The master probably did not panic. He tried to deal with the problem. They restored power, put the ship in full reverse and appear to have dropped an anchor in an attempt to stop the ship. The problem is that 100000 tonnes at 8.5 knots is a huge amount of kinetic energy to bleed off, especially in the space allowed. The master was also hamstrung when the power was lost a second time, only coming back on about a minute before the collision. Impossible situation.
Could you tell how many lanes were on that bridge and were they paved or metal grate?
Most cargo ships only have one engine.
@@dukecraig2402interstate 695 is a four-lane concrete deck.
No.
The video angles for the live cams do not change. The accident was at night. I can find that info on google maps but did not check it.
The harbor tracking is far more interesting. There are 4 "lanes" for cargo ships. This ship started out in what I will call lane 3 going from the ships starboard as lane 1. After the power comes back on you can see a clear gradual deceleration of the ship prior to impact. Given obvious size/mass and rate of deceleration in addition to the change in course to starboard it fits the starboard engine being in reverse from just after power was restored till impact.
Impact was roughly 7knots give or take. The actual number I saw was higher, but the tracking is slower than the live cam, so it is hard to be sure of the exact speed.
*edited. I got port and starboard confused in this follow-up. I think I got it corrected.@@dukecraig2402
It’s sad that this even happened in the first place
I was hoping you were going to make a video about this, awesome video 👍🏼
The power actually goes out twice - the second time about a minute before the impact occurs. The ship clearly drifts off course, with a noticeable reduction in speed before the collision occurs. This can be seen on any AIS maritime tracking system. Good call to point this out early Ryan.
Misinformation has become a major issue on social media nowadays.
Regarding the ship, it seems likely that the maintenance costs were reduced, which may have contributed to the unfortunate incident. Human error may also be a factor, but it is unlikely that any intentional harm or sabotage was involved.
It should have never left port it was having outages at the dock
Incident very similar to collapse in 1980 of Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa, Florida.
PS - Appreciate your efforts to educate public on disinformation.
Circumstances were quite different, though the outcomes were very similar... SSB was due to navigation error partly caused by fog IIRC; this incident seems to have been caused by technical failure at the worst possible moment.
It *seems* to me that there is room for improvement with respect to redundancy for critical systems, but we'll have to wait for the report to know the details.
My favorite Freud quote:
"Sometimes a shitty boat, is just a shitty boat."
Twitter truly has become a rotten cesspit of a social media platform. Can’t take anything there with more than a grain of salt
It's really insane to me just how much people will twist or omit info just to spread their own narrative.
Happens everywhere, happens all the time.. the one downside of the democratisation of broadcasting is that most people are fucking idiots who have no business trying to inform the public
The captain of The Vessel called it in and saved lives
Was it the captain who initiated the call, or the harbor pilot?
@@pushslice I heard it was the pilot that made the call to shut off traffic. It makes sense as he/she would know who to call.
@@Davey-Boyd
I would imagine harbor pilot has multiple tools? And a protocol of sequence? eg ship’s radio , shortwave handheld, mobile phone , etc, in some order.
FIRST thing I did was watch Sal. Shipping? GOTTA TALK TA SAL!
Thanks for the video.
Too bad you have to address this.
Sal's da man regarding all things maritime...
Props for giving Sal at "what's going on with shipping" a shout out.
Ryan is single-handedly the biggest warrior against Russian disinformation in this era. Cheers. You have all my support. Bless America.
It's unfortunate that we simply can't have an unfortunately timed, and strategic bridge collapse that blocks off one of the biggest shipping hubs on the East coast without conspiracy theorists assuming something untoward happened.
The conspiracy theorists will likely always be with us. But now we have a social media system using an algorithm that actively promotes them as long as they come from a blue checkmark
It wuz Trump's forlt! Oh, wait... 🤔
@@Johnny-sj9sj So, you're just determined to prove the point?
Ikr
How can you have a
- non-unfortunately timed
- non-strategic
- shipping vessel hitting a bridge outside of a major shipping lane
It's an amusing joke, but this sort of thing is most likely to happen in a busy shipping lane, and it's pretty much always a bad/strategic time for a country's port to be shut down.
Conspiracy theories bring eyeballs which means ad revenue for those looking at your account.
Then you get the trolls. The internet consists of 95% of trolls whether they are a state sponsored bot or a crazy person in their mother's basement.
It's always going to be like this when it first happens. It will probably take a week until someone has pieced together all of what really happened.
I'm not sure how many are trolls these days, especially given how so many people unironically believe what they say, no matter how idiotic it is.
@@dx-ek4vr that's the thing. We are all of the trolls. The internet just turns you into one.
Many aren't even trolls they are AI dummy accounts that simply feed popular information back into the system to generate more coverage.
lets apply the Rule of 72.
Not the financial one regarding compound interest.
The common sense one, where we wait 72 hours for information to be gathered and confirmed.
Anybody with me?
I live outside Baltimore. It was an accident. The Harbor uses pilots to drive ships in and out. They made a distress call to have them stop traffic. The ship lost power and couldn’t be steered. Sonar confirms at least 5 vehicles are in the water, including 1 tractor trailer.
This will cause massive issues until they can reopen the harbor. Will be years before we get a new bridge approved and built.
There is no tractor trailer in the water lol and it was 4 trucks
Did you ever wonder why your car keeps going straight even when you let go of the steering wheel?
could just be me but i think cars and cargo ships arent the same thing @MikeJones-rk1un
@@zGoldenHawk The laws of physics apply to both. Maybe your world is different.
@@MikeJones-rk1un the laws of physics apply to both differently
Thank you for your efforts in educating people about how online disinformation works.
Keep it up Ryan! You genuinely fight the good fight!
I friggen hate social media
We should just get rid of social media or Twitter specifically at this point...
Thick black smoke came out of the exhaust stacks too which does indicate engine failure right when the back ups came on line.
Loss of power causes loss of steerage. Dropping anchor will cause a twist to the whole ship. Basic nautical knowledge is enough to know this.
Most people do not have that though.
That in no way is true across All ships. The rudders are hydraulically controlled and in many cases there is a redundancy with limited battery backup or generator so the steering will not be affected. It appears you're the one that needs some basic knowledge
Correct, also looks like they tried reverse thrust which can also cause a twist, mad that some have to jump on theories, the milkman didn't deliver today, must be a cyber attack can't be anything to do with not ordering any milk.
one of the first things you learn on water is no power, no steering. Being on a jet ski once would tell you that. Not everyone owns or has driven a boat but a lot have been on jet skis.
I have read that they dropped both anchors and where able to reverse the engine right before impact, but it didn't help. There where two Harbor Pilots on board, I am assuming at the helm.
the only thing unrealistic about that t-shirt ad was the fact that Raegan would actually give anyone 5 minutes...
"oh shut up" lol
I actually thought that was pretty clever. It was a callback to a joke that Reagan did that got him in a bit of trouble, where he announced he was going to start bombing the Soviet Union “in five minutes.”
@@gravityissues5210Yup, he was getting ready for a radio address and was just joking around during a soundcheck.
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
Little did he know he was on a hot mic. It was not broadcast, but it was recorded. Whoops. 😂i
Ships can't "abpruptly" change course. This is not how ships work.
I recall seeing multiple power outages on the ship, looking similar to power failure.
*check out “What’s going on with shipping” with Sal Mercalgiano(spelling of his last name I might have slightly wrong but he is an old head with a lot of knowledge for us.)*
Thank you Ryan. The first place I went for information (this morning) was Sal's Yt channel, What's Going on with Shipping.
Also, Andrew Tate used footage of the Crimean bridge explosion in 2022, which has been fact checked. Do your research people. Thank you Ryan! ✊♥️🇺🇸
Your commercial at the end was ridiculous!!! 😂
That the ship lost power seems obvious. WHY is going to depend on the investigation. But I was interested in how the bridge collapsed. Engineers are going to be studying that for future bridge designs so that the loss of one pillar doesn't cause adjacent suspended sections to buckle and fail like that.
Designs and mitigation methods already exist...it's just expensive
Some bridges have protective barriers around the piers to steer impact away
A 100 thousand ton battering ram plowed into a key structural pylon at around 10mph that’s a lot of energy and what little protection is around the pylon isn’t going to deflect that, it’s not some engineering mystery it’s physics.
There’s been dozens of bridge collapses from much smaller ships hitting them since this was built. It’s actually impossible to build a bridge that could withstand this kind of impact. There’s only 2 mitigations possible. 1) Move the pylons so the central span is the entire width of the river or at least way bigger. Or 2) build an artificial island so the ship runs aground well before it impacts the bridge. Where neither are possible these days tunnels are favoured.
@@peter65zzfdfh Span is at least 1 mile. Single span would require massive support towers, if land either side is capable of supporting load. Perhaps some of the billions spent researching technology for steering and guidance of space rocket barges, robots, missiles and oil rigs, could be applied to guidance, and multiple redundancy steering back up for manoeuvring ships around bridge support structures.
Lesson: Get the F* off Twitter. It’s a cesspool.
The underlying issue here is one that's been an issue for a couple of decades now. Ships are too big for the ports they visit. They can't stop in time. It's actually surprising there hasn't been more of these types of collisions.
You don't see those enormous super tankers anymore because of that reason. There's only a couple left - most were scrapped.
This isn't even the biggest of the container ships involved here.
Dali is only 95,000 tons. now yes this is bigger than the old battleships which got up to the 40-50,000 ton mark but theres many container ships that are well above 100,000 tons heck quite a few are double that.
You don't see the ULCC anymore because of draft of those ships. Most ports require extensive dredging routinely to ensure safe passage. The ULCC had limited ports they could sail and dock at because of draft, they often also needed increased infastructure to lighten oil loads. Oil is almost as heavy as water so the ships sit extremely low just like bulk carriers. The draft of Vale Brazil (Largest bulk carrier in world) is 76 feet versus the draft of the largest container ships are around 55 feet. Imagine a port requiring an additional 20 feet of dredging only so a couple vessels in the world can dock a couple times a year.
They had a bridge collision/collapse here in the 70’s and they still won’t let even some much smaller ships under the replacement bridge.
Unless they build artificial reefs / islands around the pylons or replace it with a tunnel new ports need to be built, probably on reclaimed land further out.
@@peter65zzfdfh Sounds as if you're suggesting US tax payer billions in revenue should be used to improve US infrastructure.
This is my very first visit to your channel, sir. It will not be the last. Some observations: I love how you get right to the point, how you trace things to their sources, and how you don't waste our time with a lot of useless cruft. Have a subscription from a NavVet, and thanks!
I didn't realize when I heard "key bridge in Maryland", that it was the name of the bridge. You learn something new everyday from Ryan...
As in Francis Scott Key. The whole writer of "The Star-Spangled banner...." Fort McHenry is in Baltimore harbor.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Oh, I know who the man is, I just kept hearing "key bridge in Maryland", and thought it was just a really important bridge. Maybe the Key Bridge is a key bridge, I've never been to Baltimore...
@@mspicer3262 well it's pretty key as a bridge now. It has effectively shut off the Port of Baltimore. And 695 was part of the beltway system around the south end of the city to the airport. Now the i-95 tunnels will have to handle the bulk of traffic.
@@WALTERBROADDUS damn, I didn't realize it was that important. I've been hoping they find the missing people okay, haven't paid much attention to the greater ramifications of the loss the bridge.
@@mspicer3262It is indeed an important bridge; it's part of I-695. Lack of this bridge will cause lots of traffic bottlenecks in Baltimore and the Washington D.C. beltway.
Definitely go watch What's going on with Shipping. Explains this whole thing well.
Ship lost power and presumably steering. Something (current, wind, torque from propeller?) made the ship turn. Ship then recovered power, but too late to correct.
It certainly doesn't look purposeful, but the ship does turn at the last second.
Social media is like nuclear weapons. Things that in hindsight we wish were never invented.
The ship was under the control of Baltimore Pilots the Captain was not the Captain while in the Harbor zone as many posts suggest.
The Captain is always in control. The Pilot advises the Captain.
@@Davey-BoydNo. BAR PILOTS have daily knowledge of the bars(dunes under water).Bar Pilot and assistant were steering and controling the crew actions regarding thrust a d maneuvering.
@@t0manderson571 Pilots DO NOT TOUCH THE CONTROLS. The Captain is in sole command at all times. The Pilot is there to assist with their local knowledge.
Yes I have found that information, thks, "whats going on with shipping" I had previously listened to other folks suggesting the captain may not even be on the bridge. My mistake. The point or seed I was aiming for is more that the Indian Captain and crew were not politically motivated to ram the piling in some nefarious plot. As the author of the tweet does appear to have an anti Hindu Gov stance.@@Davey-Boyd
Early reports said first responders were searching for the occupants of vehicles on the bridge. Update. The ship signalled a Mayday and Bridge authorities had time to shut down the bridge entry ramps, prior to the allision. The victims of the collapse were maintenance workers, repairing pot-holes. At the time of my note 2 workers were rescued, one declined to be taken to a hospital, while the other was in critical condition.
FWIW the MV Dali allided with a bridge in Antwerp, in 2016.
I see semi trucks crossing moments before impact. Where do you get the maintenance crew only information?
@@scottriddell7893 It's a timelapse.
I now see the Mayor explaining that the road crews were warned and stopped traffic. Likely prevented a mass casualty event. 👍
@@scottriddell7893 The Maryland Governor said this, around 9am, as reported by the NYTimes, and elsewhere. I think the false early reports are due to reporters jumping the gun to be first, and ASSUMING drivers were the victims.
Dewey beats Truman.
35 years ago there was all kinds of FUD that a terrible virus was going to strike all IBM PC style computers. It was supposed to strike at midnight, on a certain day. I was the computer support guy for a couple of teams of people, and I was asked for advice.
This is in the days before computers set their time from the internet. I told people that, the night before the attack was supposed to strike I would reset my computer's date to a few days before the attack, and only take the reports seriously if there were reports that the attack was real.
But I forgot.
My clock radio woke me to the 6am news, and the lead story was that there was widespread damage, around the world, as all PCs were crippled by the virus.
Dewey beats Truman.
The 6am news report had clearly been written the night before by a lazy reporter who assumed the FUD was real. It was actually BS..
misinformation is currently a big problem with social media
As for the ship, I'd imagine costs were cut when it comes to maintenance as it's not a huge surprise that those types of things happen.
Human error can also be attributed to these types of horrible situations, but I highly doubt it's sabotage or anything malicious.
I'm super happy you pointed people to Sal as well.
Keep up the good fight ryan appreciate you!
Ryan, you're the best broski. You're exactly what this country needs right now. You deserve all of the great things coming your way
Looks like the maintenance budget has gone missing for a few decades.
That ad at the end was gold
We now know enough info to know a local pilot was on board. This was a legit "accident". No terrorism. Lets just be thankful it was at 1:30 am and only 30 to 40 people have likely died, instead of the thousands it could have been during a rush hour. It does terrify me that they thought a bridge design that allowed for the collapse of the entire hwy was acceptable. Why was it not compartmentalized? Far better reinforcement? Somme actual protections from being ran into by shipping? There are a lot of questions I want to see answered.
the same camera that caught the collapse also shows the ship having power and engine trouble on approach to the bridge.
@@davidty2006Yeah, I looked at some really good footage. Power looked to be lost twice, and all the smoke was from putting the engines up to full power. They tried to stop, or at least slow down as much as possible. I even saw other footage showing they dropped and dragged the port side anchor. Sooooo lucky so few were on the bridge at the time of collapse.
Accident doesn't need quotes around it; it was literally an accident.
I hate to break everyones bubble, but, the ship is manned by a harbor captain. NO SHIPS CAPTAIN is allowed to pilot a ship in a harbor, and the ship is usually accompanied by tug boats. Accidents do occur even with harbor captains, so one has to wait on official releases on what happened.
It had already been released by the tugs, the ship did call for help saying they had lost power, almost as soon as the tugs released them. From very early news reports this morning.
Not a “harbor captain”, but a “pilot” licensed for the port
The ships master is still in charge and has ultimate authority for the safe operation of the ship. The harbor pilots, are advisors, but don't take away the captain's authority.
Also two tugs could not stop a shit that big even if there lives depended on it
These boats are fly by wireless.
just want to call something: you should always assume that there is someone watching a video from you for the first time. When you say "you know why i'm here", it feels like the new person does not belong. Also, hearing why you're there again just builds the hype!
Hey Sargent, great content! Thank you. Old 11B here.
I've been seeing lots of people that are leaving out the fact the ship hit the bridge and just blaming the bridge engineers for the bridge suddenly falling down "with no cause"...
The cause is physics. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. The rest is up to gravity.
In fairness, that bridge was not properly protected, given that it obviously had a single point of failure. It strikes me as very similar to the Sunshine Skyway Bridge 44 years ago. Apparently, there was some talk after 9/11 about installing additional bumpers, but cost was a concern. Which amazes me, considering it’s a tolled bridge. In theory, the tolls are meant to offset the costs of maintaining the bridge.
Watch them blame Ukraine and Israel.
Some people already are, even though anyone with half a brain realizes that countries that are our allies, and wish to remain so, would have no motive to attack is. But nobody ever accused conspiracy theorists of having half a brain.
Feels like we're a year away from The Internet being entirely useless because of bots and AI.
"What's going on with shipping," has a good short video on the situation.
A clue 😂
I am glad he pointed that out, I was clueless ...
Ryan found a raging clue! 😂 Iykyk.
i vote we blame the CCP of Western Taiwan
A bridge on I-40 in Oklahoma over the Arkansas River was brought down by a barge in 2002. The bridge was rebuilt in two months thanks to a herculean effort by all involved. I expect to see a similar endeavor in Maryland.
The Machine no longer cares if it's propaganda or harmful. The only goal is ratings, or so-called engagement, etc. Bad actors can easily take advantage. It would require bi-partisan consensus, or perhaps consumer pressure to fix this. I feel like many politicians do not go to solve problems, but rather to find an issue and fundraise on it. The problem is across the board.
The conspiracies should be about why there was no safety island around the pillers.
Even a big ship like this one should not be able to hit the pillers, bridge design should take into account that accidents happens.
I hope this leads to an investigation explaining why the ship could hit the pillers and to make sure that new and existing bridges are equipped with protection around the pillers.
The Francis Scott Key Bridge was built in 1976 but after the after the Tampa Skyway Bridge collapse in 1980 you would have thought preventative measures would have been instituted.
The safety islands around the pillars aren't there because they weren't a thing back in the day when this bridge was built. The replacement bridge is definitely going to have safety islands around the pillars. Why wasn't the bridge replaced already? Well, even though it was old, it was still working ok; replacements are mega-expensive and cause a lot of inconvenience during construction.
No conspiracy needed, just changing safety design standards and any proposed updates being considered not worth the expense.
@@MyFiddlePlayer Well I am not an expert, but it seems to me to be the simplest thing to add safety islands after the fact. And with a port of that size and a bridge that looks to be very important for the local area, it seems like a "no brainer" to pump some sand around the pillers.
Fair it might hard to add a lot of sand between the two pillers, cause the bridge only have 366 m between the pillers. And you don't want passage to be too narrow. Thus there might be a good reason.
But it seems like a good idea to me that you design a safety island around the pillers, and then only allow ships to travel with a speed low enough that the ships momentum can be stopped by the safety island. And the port probably have a pretty good idea about how big of a ship they can handle.
I hope other bridges are checked and retrofitted after this, cause this is horrible, and seems so preventable. 😥
@@jdotoz Well the expense for whom? It feels a lot like a "that is a risk I am willing to take" situation. Where the one receiving the benefit isn't the one running the risk.
If you ask the people on that bridge and there families I feel like they would say updates would have been worth it.
Thinking of what time this happen, this could have been so much worse, and it seems so preventable.
First! Thanks Ryan for the update
Being that the ship lost power right before, and it was at 01:30 tells me that it was not an attack.
Twitter is such a shit platform these days. I remember seeing something that said about 76% of the traffic was just bots, its so full of AI/bots that they've started to argue with one another its great. Thanks Elon!
They've come full circle
It’s a shit show.
@@TheIfifi Elon said he'd defeat the bots but increased them tenfold 🤣
Ive heard it was a cyber attack but that doesnt make sense. Someone with immediate knowledge near the bridge would have to know which ship to attack and have the capability to attack it. And then attack it at the perfect time to cause it to drift into the bridge.
There's no way a massive container ship like that is entirely computer controlled. No, odds are that it was a mechanical failure of some kind. What kind of failure will have to wait for the investigation.
There are plenty of papers on the vulnerability of marine C&C systems through satcom and terrestrial comms. It only doesn't make sense if you haven't taken the time to review the literature. Remote privilege escalation is magic.
Sal did a great job of explaining the situation without the hype or conspiricy others seem to thrive on. This is going to be a major disaster for our area economically.
@AIM : is a very respected and voracious speaker on real issues of Bharat and International
I’m very impressed with what has become of society in general. We started off critically analyzing everything. Now we just accept whatever anyone says.
We allow people who have no idea what actually occurred in a given event to automatically label any analysis of that event as misinformation or disinformation.
Perhaps the most dangerous people to western society at-large today are those individuals who label any information as misinformation or disinformation without actually knowing what exactly occurred. It would seem that those people don’t want any critical thinking or analysis of events to occur. Especially so, since most critical thinking only occurs when people recognize that the given facts and given narrative are at odds with each other.
There is also lots of black smoke coming out of the exhaust after the power comes back on signify there was an engine failure. All these automated algorithms are an evil in the information sphere hurting us all.
As a former Marine Engineer I will tell you loosing power on a vessel under passage will loose you your main engine and your steering. A ship of this size has only one main engine so there’s no standby for that. If you have time and you have power but have lost power to steering this can be activated manually but my impression here is a failure of electrical generation and/or distribution taking out essential pumps and control systems. Your only option is your anchor and only if you have enough room for it to be effective. If I were the Chief Engineer on this one I’d be hoping it was equipment failure and not cost savings otherwise my ass would be grass.
I'm really damn happy I learned about this whole thing on the german 8pm news on state television, where they explicitly statet that the ship "appears to have lost power seconds before the crash".
Thank you for these videos. I guess to some, it must seem like they are saturated in boring tech talk, but I really like understanding how social media is really being used and having some keywords to explore.
I hate them saying Bridge Collapse because in insinuates a failure of the bridge.Where it was a collision, The should say Bridge Destroyed by cargo ship.
I figured that the ship purposely crashing into the bridge thing was some sort of Misinformation from bad actors.Thanks for confirming that hunch, and thanks for giving us the viewers eduction on how to spot misinformation!
Sal popped up first thing this morning for me on it, was actually how I found out about the whole thing. I watch most all his stuff, like yours, and a few others. Quite informative, tragic incident. Loss of power, then full reverse skewing the angle of the momentum, then finally an anchor dropped, dragging it further off track. Scary stuff Maynard.
Interesting that you are in Tampa. That city saw the 1980 Sunshine Skyway Bridge Collapse which was the last time a large ship collided with a highway bridge in the US causing collapse. Glad you're debunking the misinformation. I'm in Baltimore and its been all everyone is talking about.
If you see the puff of black smoke prior to collision this is probably from them probably starting a back up generator showing they had a power failure of some sort
I came up with a striking force of about 82 cars at 60mph all at once against the bridge pillar. The Dali had had engine repairs done in port. The reason it was uncontrollable is if the main single screw stops turning it acts like a hard-over rudder on its own and blocks most water flow across the actual rudder. The side thrusters (assuming it has them) are run by high energy circuits directly from the main engine systems. Something like 39.8Mj of force.
It may well have changed direction after power was lost because of currents. The engine and direction may well have been working against current at the time power failed. Currents can be quite strong in some of these channels even disregarding wind that i don't see evidence of
In the video he recommended they guy goes into a bit of detail of how the ship started to drift off course after the first power outage.
This video is very much appreciated. It's amazing what social media fools get up to. It's hard enough to pilot one of these behemoths in good conditions, let alone when there is a electric failure. The bridge commands to the rudder system are electric, and although the rudder can usually be more directly controlled from the engine room panel, the bridge to engine communication system likewise needs electric power. And maintenance on these vessels isn't what it could be given the huge lost revenue incurred for every day of down time. Most likely thing is this is just a stupid accident from pushing hardware too hard without adequate maintenance.
My late husband worked for years on river towboats, on the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, and smaller ones too. While not the same as an oceangoing vessel, the effects of wind and water currents on barges sometimes led to dangerous situations. It was especially true with empties, which have most of their profile above the water line. High winds, fast currents thrown in with a loss of power and things get out of hand quickly. I can absolutely believe this was the result of a series of things going wrong.