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  • @BJbear2001
    @BJbear2001 5 років тому +7

    Thank you for interviewing David! He seemed shy to begin, but near the end his wisdom shown through like something out of this world! David seems very experienced beyond his years! Great interview!

  • @TactiColt
    @TactiColt 11 років тому +5

    Thank you so much for this video, guys. My father used to build balsa gliders way back when he was in the Navy. He and I are beginning to explore the RC hobby together, but so much has changed since his day.
    It would be a tragedy to build a big balsa craft and wreck it on first flight, but building is what he loves. Showing how to use foam core as a medium lets him build a much more durable aircraft. This makes a big difference for both of us getting into things.

  • @RCHobbyist463
    @RCHobbyist463 11 років тому

    That is just plane epic. I have never seen a solution that simple but sophisticated enough to replace a professional soldering jig. You could literally save $100 just by choosing this simplistic yet sturdy design. I could see a whole new revolution in DIY!

  • @frogsoda
    @frogsoda 5 років тому +1

    I have a hot foam cutter that is configured like a bandsaw. It has a table, the wire comes out of the table vertically to a frame that goes back to the table. I haven't used it but I loaned it to a friend who uses a handheld cutter and she liked it a whole lot better.
    Also, we have no trouble getting foam in Miami. In fact we're 30 miles from Miami and that's where we go to get foam.

  •  11 років тому +7

    They are to scale. Just downloaded them of the site and they are still correct. The wingspan says 700mm so that's a scale you can use.

  • @wx9dx
    @wx9dx 10 років тому +6

    BTW I use a number 10 Dulcimer string " like a guitar string" hooked to my Weller Soldering gun as a transformer " tip removed and wires hook there" and run the gun from a light dimmer. Has always worked on projects for me. The biggest foam we can get around here is from Lowes or Menards for house walls.
    73
    Jimmy, ARRL TS, WX9DX

  • @vince38curious2
    @vince38curious2 10 років тому +1

    The good thing about the templates is if you are like me and hopeless with all things electrical you can make your templates out of thin steel or aluminium and use a sanding block / Blocks to sand down to the template after cutting the excess foam away with a small saw or knife..
    Thanks Dave and Josh this gives me more confidence to try new shapes that I wouln't have thought possible before..
    Regards Vince.

  • @thebunkreport
    @thebunkreport Рік тому +1

    You can buy a whole hot wire cutting set for around $25. However, the one that you made works great as well!

  • @azgarogly
    @azgarogly 11 років тому +5

    Great!
    Actually, I was expecting a long time, when David'd share the knowledge on hotwire foam cutting.
    I have some (working) idea on how to power hotwire with simple components from electric store.
    Now, I guess, I have to write an article for flitetest

  • @eastcarolinadroneshelispla6635
    @eastcarolinadroneshelispla6635 9 років тому +4

    Building one of these now. Can not wait to try it out. HUGE THANKS TO FLITE TEST GUYS!!

  • @jezjezman9487
    @jezjezman9487 10 років тому +52

    Health and safety bit: **Wear an M3 Vapor mask**, Gloves, Goggles

    • @wutangclams3203
      @wutangclams3203 7 років тому +3

      and do it outside!
      i was thinking the same thing, boy i bet those vapors have all kinds of carcinogens in them

    • @TheStonehammerFiles
      @TheStonehammerFiles 5 років тому +3

      Cutting it is safe, burning it is not.

  • @sato4kaiba
    @sato4kaiba 11 років тому

    For those who don't know: I squared R is the power P that is produce and is not necessarily the amount of heat. There is a formula to calculate the amount heat that will be produced.

  • @AndrewWorkshop
    @AndrewWorkshop 11 років тому +1

    You could also use an AC transformer and a light dimmer to control the heat of the wire.

  • @3duckit
    @3duckit 4 роки тому

    Miss this young man. Great video.

  • @mnovo
    @mnovo 10 років тому +8

    Ohm's Law is V=I*R (Voltage=Current*Resistance)
    Joule's Law is P=V*I (Watts=Voltage*Current)
    Nichrome wire with a diameter of .010 is roughly sitting at 7 Ohms resistance per linear foot. You can measure the 2 contact points on the bow with a DMM or use this as a rough calculation entry point for your R value. What current value are you attempting to achieve while you vary the voltage?
    Great video btw!
    M~

    • @mnovo
      @mnovo 10 років тому +4

      hotwirefoamcutterinfo.com/__SupplyCalc.html
      Nevermind. I found it.
      6.2v @ .92A = 5.7watts and 400F and 8.0v @ 1.19A = 9.52 watts and 600F

    • @shotintel
      @shotintel 4 роки тому

      Mmm, brings back my unregulated vape mod days. I would turn my own coils.

  • @RCHobbyist463
    @RCHobbyist463 11 років тому

    One of my favourite channels, other than Flite Test, did that and it was amazing.

  • @MrROTD
    @MrROTD 11 років тому

    If you have any experience with 3-d modelling on computers this is a piece of cake, its a similar concept to skinning between two polygons, in fact I've modelled planes in 3-d doing exactly that

  • @Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes
    @Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes 11 років тому +12

    We need a laser-cut set of the plywood templates avail in the FT Store right away!! (for this and OTHER planes)

    • @mattivirta
      @mattivirta 5 років тому

      and if have laser who can cut plywood can cut laser all foam too easy.

  • @daveroche689
    @daveroche689 11 років тому +1

    I have have miles of Nicrome wire if you would like some. However you can use fine piano wire but unlike Davids bow you need more tension to get a good cut. Use a high current transformer and a light dimer or you will just get a fire.
    The best bows are made of wood and Aluminium, and have an H shape. You use 2 pieces Aluminium at the ends and timber to separate and insulate. Tension with shock cord or a spring & cord/rope.
    $20 and your cutting.
    Don't use PVC and don't burn the house down.

  • @masoncayaban9790
    @masoncayaban9790 8 років тому +1

    Add Springs to tension the wire. You'll get a better finish and you can turn up the voltage, which will produce more heat and will also allow you to cut faster.

    • @lululock
      @lululock 8 років тому +1

      If you put more voltage, more heat, yes. But the heat will "melt" more foam than your template.
      With a friend, we made that mistake while cutting foam cores for our glider's wings.

  • @carmatic
    @carmatic 11 років тому +1

    also, how about adding mirrors to the sides of the bow so you can see how far along you are cutting on both sides without having to turn the piece over
    the awesome thing about having the plans made in foam sections is that each of these sections are small enough to be 3d printed ... you could add pins and holes, or slots and tabs, and make it much easier to assemble and give it some added structural rigidity as well

  • @ballwizz23
    @ballwizz23 11 років тому

    I just made one today. I didn't use the esc or the dimmer. Just some nichrome, wood, and screws. I used a simple 9 volt on 12 inches of 28 guage wire. I plan to step it up to 12 volt as 9 was a little slow. Idk about the AC/DC part though. You can buy Nichrome on Amazon for a few dollars.

  • @user-ik7bl4yg2t
    @user-ik7bl4yg2t 9 років тому +78

    "what was it, Vegan?" "Viggen" "Alright, the Vegan..."

    • @nilsolsson880
      @nilsolsson880 9 років тому +3

      its a swedish plane

    • @nilsolsson880
      @nilsolsson880 9 років тому +2

      David is from Sweden i things

    • @afrog2666
      @afrog2666 7 років тому +1

      Saab 37 Viggen ;)
      Saab also made a car called Viggen..
      Little factoid for ya ;)

    • @johnlight5388
      @johnlight5388 7 років тому

      Jan Christian Frodahl m

    • @fenderstratguy
      @fenderstratguy 4 роки тому +1

      He kept saying vegan lol

  • @Brian_Boxtruck
    @Brian_Boxtruck 11 років тому

    You can get big blocks of the blue foam from aircraft spruce and other aircraft/fibeglass supply places. It's not expensive but can be to ship due to size.

  • @britblad
    @britblad 11 років тому

    I am not into planes anymore but making a smaller ver of you wire former would save me alot of time with my model Railroad!

  • @maxfig4167
    @maxfig4167 11 років тому

    good places to find good foam, craft stores, they have a foam that is excellent for hot wire cutting and it's also very light.

  • @josephmolinari1
    @josephmolinari1 11 років тому

    please please please do a flite tip episode about how to extend the flight time of an existing air frame. thanks and keep the episodes coming!

  • @danbeale6818
    @danbeale6818 11 років тому +3

    You could use a turnbuckle half way up the arms to keep the wire taught,

    • @whatelseison8970
      @whatelseison8970 6 років тому +1

      It's usually better to just use the flex of the bow or a tension spring.

  • @robfrydryck127
    @robfrydryck127 Рік тому

    Crazy good cutting skills for hand held

  • @itsgr82bl8
    @itsgr82bl8 11 років тому

    Thanks for the info guys, I built a foam cutter using a computer power supply which had WAY more than enough power. I will have to revisit that adventure and see if I can't refine it a little bit!

  • @johnlandbeckjr3736
    @johnlandbeckjr3736 3 роки тому

    What an amazing young man!!!
    Very well done.
    John in MD

  • @h78i23jjy
    @h78i23jjy 11 років тому

    Hobby King still sells Brushed ESCs. But they only have two of them. A 20a and a 30a. You have to search "brushed" if you want to find them quickly.

  • @ytubesucksazznow
    @ytubesucksazznow 10 років тому +1

    I don't even do this hobby, probably due to the fact my first real plane blew up on maiden voyage as a kid lol, that's another story all in itself haha,
    yet I learn a lot of tricks for other things
    and strangely I keep watching your vids anyway knowing I could never build the awesomeness you guys do ^^ i love watching you guys and keep up good work.

  • @MAYERMAKES
    @MAYERMAKES 9 років тому

    If you construct the bow like a spanend woodworking saw and use a string spring between the hotwire and frame you will get much better tension.

  • @Kerberosfish
    @Kerberosfish 6 років тому +15

    the guy in the red woodsman shirt is mad smart

  • @Mrdaddydaze1
    @Mrdaddydaze1 11 років тому

    Thank u guys I always wanted to see a edf jet on your channel

  • @NarcizoJE
    @NarcizoJE 11 років тому

    Electronic Dimmer used to control lights do the same job and is cheaper. Thumbs up for the great idea of PVC tubes for the bow.

  • @jeffv2074
    @jeffv2074 5 років тому

    Excellent 👍 video, it is a great help since it will be my first time working with a foam cutter. I'm into RC cars and drones so I am very familiar with the components utilized, the heat for the wire was my biggest concern and you guys clarified that for me, thanks

  • @antecboy
    @antecboy 11 років тому

    It's when you're cutting the foam and the wire isn't hot enough to cut it with proper speed, so you push it a little harder and the wire starts to flex a little.
    That is bowing.
    Like when you pull back the string of a bow, bowing.

  • @davidkelly4598
    @davidkelly4598 4 роки тому

    I've done this w a dimmer switch wired upstream of a 12 volt car charger. Great temp control.

    • @theartofflying3108
      @theartofflying3108 4 роки тому

      Dimmer switch from room light switch?? And how did you force car battery charger to flow current if it is with electronic processor prevents from overload and so..??

  • @robinbeckford
    @robinbeckford 11 років тому

    3M77 works, too. Spray both faces, leave until it's only just tacky then press together. Holds well, and the wire goes through the joint no problem. (I learnt that from Phil Barnes dvd on vacuum bagging.)

  • @poobertop
    @poobertop 11 років тому

    You can also use an adjustable light dimmer to have control over the current to the wire.

  • @rtonce
    @rtonce 6 років тому

    Found out I am very allergic to the off gassing of that foam when i used it around a window installed air conditioner years ago. When home, I had non-stop runny nose. We tested our suspicion of the foam being the cause, confirmed it was, and removed it. I have no other known allergies, so can only conclude the chemicals coming off that foam, cannot be good. The takeaway is: Use natural materials and hone your skills of workmanship with other building methods whenever possible. Enjoy lasting health.

  • @guloguloguy
    @guloguloguy 4 місяці тому

    THANK YOU, FOR THIS GREAT DEMO!!

  • @brett8090
    @brett8090 10 років тому

    I would really like to see these formers and other formers like them on the store. A C-130 would turn out crazy sharp with this technique.

  • @laynehip
    @laynehip 11 років тому

    I got the plans printed off for this on 54 pages using a titled PDF. Going to get foam tommorow and start building this thing. I have never even flown a Rc plane before in my life but I don't even care!

  • @heaanlasai866
    @heaanlasai866 10 років тому +2

    Thank you for your great video!
    Will you be making a video about fibreglass coating the foam?

  • @DLPlanes
    @DLPlanes 11 років тому

    Awesome video! I live just by Miami and they always have foam at Home Depot or Lowe's. I too did a hot wire foam cutter but never thought of making it portal like this one. Great job.

  • @getcartercarpark.
    @getcartercarpark. 2 роки тому

    Hi David,
    Great quoting the formula for power, I2 x R.
    We can measure the resistance of the wire in the bow of any length we intend to use, but how much current are you having flowing through the wire of the bow?
    Fantastic model, second to none!
    TIA.
    Kay.

  • @gasparreis303
    @gasparreis303 Рік тому

    Great video, congratulations, but what are the measurements in centimeters of the saw and Nichrome wire ?

  • @carmatic
    @carmatic 11 років тому

    2:53 you can use a 3 phase brushless ESC if you make a rectifier out of diodes ... you will need to hook up a motor in parallel so that it gives a feedback voltage so that the ESC will work

  • @VictorHugoRC1111
    @VictorHugoRC1111 11 років тому

    You can get it from an old heater heating element. Usually it comes in a coil shape.

  • @rajmulay4062
    @rajmulay4062 2 роки тому

    You can get foam from Hydroponic shop .great video 👌👍

  • @sirbow2
    @sirbow2 11 років тому

    i was gonna built one of these a while back, but im gonna use the 30A Brushed ESC for a RC Power Wheels :D

  • @christophbader3713
    @christophbader3713 5 років тому +5

    I miss David Windestål. He should have been there, when you got 1.000.000 subscribers...

  • @ARob16x
    @ARob16x 8 років тому +3

    im building the hot wire foam cutter from grant thomsons video. With the templates that flite test showed me how to make in their how to make templates video i can make professional scratch built planes like the ft 3d and other planes built by them.

  • @henrybartlett1986
    @henrybartlett1986 8 років тому

    Very clever. Lots of great info. Fantastic.

  • @DefekCs
    @DefekCs 11 років тому

    Hey, guys! While David is still there and while You are on topic of blue core foam, maybe make some BEGINNER'S TUTORIAL IN FIBERGLASSING on this plane! You mentioned that it needs reenforcement for air intakes. Nothing major, just tips & tricks in basic fiberglassing - tools, compounds, methods, safety things e.t.c.

  • @FPVav8tr
    @FPVav8tr 11 років тому

    1:20 JOSH: "My bow is huge, you're bow is little" Remember Josh it's not the size of the bow, it's how you use it. :)

  • @MrJoseJasso
    @MrJoseJasso 11 років тому

    did you laser cut the formers? what if i don't have a laser cutter? how do i cut formers? Great plane!!!

  • @TytanPuzzles
    @TytanPuzzles 10 років тому

    At around 13 minutes, is the type of foam you are talking about insulation polystyrene? Also, now I know that I can get foam very easily.

  • @Frifler888
    @Frifler888 11 років тому

    Oh WOW, That's a Great Idea man. I live in DK, and i have to say we forroners love Swedish much more than dk, mostly because most of them are Hunest, good and pure and they make good friends. So i say Go Sweedan, we love you guys...:-)

  • @chrisleech1565
    @chrisleech1565 11 років тому

    Thanks for the heads-up VH, that's what I call team work. Now that I have sorted my first Tricopter build and the associated Firm Ware issues.Whew! I can now try my hand at making an airframe from inexpensive, readily available, easy to cut Foam. BTW I am looking for the "How To Make Inexpensive Hot Wire Templates" ?
    Or is there another link you found with actual template designs that I can print and cut out?

  • @chrisleech1565
    @chrisleech1565 11 років тому

    You can still get a brushed ESC at Hobby King. Check it out. Just type in search for them at the top of page and you'll find 20 and 30A there.

  • @raoulcuban
    @raoulcuban 10 років тому +1

    Nice work guys, thanks for the help.

  • @hieraco
    @hieraco 11 років тому

    A good cheap source for wire is your local music store. I picked up a NP017 string (guitar second string) for 10Kr (about $1.20USD) works great with a 4A 12VDC transformer to supply power (wired to a rheostat/potentiometer to adjust the wire temperature.)
    Also I'd like to ask David if he can recommend any Blue foam core suppliers in Sweden.

  • @XxXAUTOXxX
    @XxXAUTOXxX 11 років тому

    You shouldn't need more than 10amp I use a PWM controller instead of an esc, it has a rheostat and will take up to 40V. I use 28gauge nichrome wire (stainless fishing leader also works) and up to 24v (2 car batteries in series) for wings up to 10 feet long. Any longer than that and you have to go really slow or your wire will bend too much (but that can be useful for adding reflex).

  • @nicholasn.2883
    @nicholasn.2883 4 роки тому

    Just built this. Awesome!

  • @splendoremmanuel9091
    @splendoremmanuel9091 3 роки тому

    Nice one bro, thank you very much. But what is the thickness of the Nichrome wire?

  • @john3Lee
    @john3Lee 11 років тому

    David is a genius....

  • @FPVREVIEWS
    @FPVREVIEWS 11 років тому

    i know those are not, but why cut the whole plane out of blue foam with very close to ideal shapes, and then just use flat wings? that only works well for small park flyers. i like to use real naca 4 digit foils for low reynolds numbers. would love to see a good tutorial on how to cut real airfoil wing sections from foam.

  • @robopony
    @robopony 11 років тому

    I could listen to David say "glue" all day.

  • @rwprime1
    @rwprime1 6 років тому

    2018 I just did a little research and the Nikrothal 80 .4mm he mentions is 26 Gauge www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10016555/3385503-ltq-vaper-nikrothal-80-heating-wire-for and that ESC is still available, but not that Turnigy Servo Driver, although they do have a servo tester as do many others. Also, looking at his cutting mat in his write-up, the length between the inside of the two pieces of PVC appears to be 15 inches. Myself, the shorter the wire, the more control you have, so I would make it just a little wider / longer than the largest piece of foam I would have to cut. Anyway, great job guys and good information and demo.

  • @MarcStollmeyer
    @MarcStollmeyer 9 років тому +2

    I'd like to see a 200% Viggen. 140mm EDF!

  • @chrisleech1565
    @chrisleech1565 11 років тому

    I think you can use a guitar string Try the smaller ones like high E or B strings if they are long enough. Easy to get in any music store or from a from a friend who has old ones. Give her a shot!

  • @prasanthsoman4409
    @prasanthsoman4409 6 років тому

    That was a helpful video about hot wire... Thank you guys....

  • @WCPAGEL
    @WCPAGEL 11 років тому

    The pink foam in made by Owens Corning witch is in Toledo, OH.

  • @alaskaboy14
    @alaskaboy14 10 років тому +7

    Speaking of Alaska, it would be awesome to do a flite test in alaska. we have more planes and pilots than you would know what to do with!

    • @Femmpaws
      @Femmpaws 9 років тому

      I'm from Alaska and Dad was raised in Alaska and in his many years of flying up there he had flown over most of the country up there. He learned to fly in the late 30s in SE. I'm just getting back into flying both RC and full sized aircraft.

  • @JordnFtGuetta
    @JordnFtGuetta 11 років тому +4

    I love this idea, i just thinking about how to cut the foam, and its just awsome (: !

  • @bridgendesar
    @bridgendesar 6 років тому

    Could you make an aerofoil shaped hot wire cutter and cut the foam side to side instead of a long wire across the width?
    I think you'd need thicker wire to hold aerofoil shape and more power, but it could the cutting process much simpler!

  • @CHewittMedia
    @CHewittMedia 6 років тому

    Great video. What should the template be made of so the wire doesn't damage it? Thanks.

  • @calebsmedia
    @calebsmedia 11 років тому

    You guys should sell the templates for the Viggen. That would cut down the build time a lot. Thanks!

  • @davidh1187
    @davidh1187 2 роки тому

    A PWM controller will do the job of powering the circuit and is readily available (or just as easy to make)

  • @1985cjjeeper
    @1985cjjeeper 8 років тому

    NiChrome wire is the stuff you need for this. It's the same stuff they put in hair driers and heaters. Get it from a hair drier without breaking it and a few sticks from the yard later you have a foam cutter if you plug it in to a rheostat like a light dimmer.

    • @Harlanmote
      @Harlanmote 8 років тому

      +1985cjjeeper Nicrome wire brakes to easy i use stainless steal or a guitar string.... Even mig welding wire works good.

    • @davidb4557
      @davidb4557 8 років тому

      what size mig wire and what kind? SS or Fluxcore?

    • @1985cjjeeper
      @1985cjjeeper 8 років тому

      David B, you'd want to use SS not flux core. Probably any thickness since it doesn't get very hot.
      I used Nicrome in a textile mill to cut 5 10 inch rolls of 150 denier polyester at a time on a machine we built. I can't remember the gauge but you can buy it at supply shops. I can see how stainless or a guitar string would work fine on foam though. Our wire had to be a higher temperature or it would melt the tube ends of the rolls together. In that application other wires would sag/break. I admit we only used a hair dryer wire to prove the concept them moved on to thicker stuff. I still have a roll somewhere, maybe 12 gauge or 14.

    • @davidb4557
      @davidb4557 8 років тому

      Thank you for the reply. I have plenty of SS .025in Dia. wire I can try first. I will give that a try first. If it works, I'll let you know. Once again, Thanks.

    • @1985cjjeeper
      @1985cjjeeper 8 років тому

      That should be fine as it won't need to be very hot for most things. Just make sure you never touch it when it's plugged in and you won't die.

  • @VictorHugoRC1111
    @VictorHugoRC1111 11 років тому

    Go to the Flitetest site and they have the templates there, Thanks guys!

  • @JustinBerke
    @JustinBerke 7 років тому +4

    "If you live in Miami, you're gonna have a really hard time finding foam."
    I live in Key West. Dang it.

  • @SuperArchi2010
    @SuperArchi2010 7 років тому

    Hi FliteTest this is an awesome piece of work very nice cuts I want to make some shapes cutting a foam but pls tell me what is the name of this foams I know it is a high density foam but there some few other products that are not the best for foam cutting Thank you for your to reply

  • @muskokamike127
    @muskokamike127 11 років тому

    I just want to add a voice of reason to this practice: make sure you are well ventilated. The fumes from melting foam are carcinogenic. I'm not sure what the exact chemical composition of the various foams being used are, but I know that melting Styrofoam is INSANELY carcinogenic.

  • @HuylerBrooks
    @HuylerBrooks 11 років тому

    Hey, sorry for the completely unrelated comment, but could y'all do an episode/walk-around of David's "Quadrone"?? I was looking at it on David's website, and by golly, that design is wonderful! Would love to hear the designer comments on how he came up with the design and how it performs! Thanks!

  • @fazalrehman7441
    @fazalrehman7441 10 років тому

    You can find this foam, at store called Rona hardware, search for styrofoam
    Or u can try other HARDWARE STORE OR BUILDING CENTRE

  • @wingnutz1170
    @wingnutz1170 10 років тому

    Great job on the video! Thanks for the tutorial. It makes me wanna go out and build something!

  • @TheMisterpino
    @TheMisterpino 11 років тому

    Awesome tutorial, very clear. Even for a foam-noob

  • @TFWS6
    @TFWS6 11 років тому +1

    Great video, guys!

  • @simon-gabrielgervais7262
    @simon-gabrielgervais7262 7 років тому

    a foot pedal like a tig welder would be great for start and restart and speed control

  • @parisipsilantis6142
    @parisipsilantis6142 11 років тому

    Hi guys great job.were you get the former!
    You design them?

  • @cowcar87
    @cowcar87 11 років тому

    did you guys think about keeping the wire cutter stationary and moving the form only. it may be easier with these small pieces.

  • @XxXAUTOXxX
    @XxXAUTOXxX 11 років тому

    Any decent hardware store should have it in north america. I'm actually getting a new type of foam that is 12X as dense but only 25% more weight. Should be here tomorrow but you can't even mark this stuff with your fingernail. A little fiberglass and it should be bombproof!

  • @kmatusik73
    @kmatusik73 11 років тому

    how about figuring out templates for the versa wing, so i can hot wire wings for that. maybe you could lazor cut them and we could buy them from flitetest. you could start a new series on aircraft with cut wings.. that would be awesome..
    thanks
    Kevin

  • @MrWlah
    @MrWlah 11 років тому

    Josh, you said it all at 11:22. :)

  • @desidudes78
    @desidudes78 11 років тому

    The viggin is incredible