Thanks for making this video. I have a 7700x paired with my 7900xtx. I had been contemplating getting a 7800x3d, but after watching this I'll be fine with what I have. Maybe when the 9000 cpus come out, hopefully still on AM5, I can get an x3d chip.
I am on a 5900x and the 7800X3D is not tempting for me at all. My system is fan-freaking-tastic. It does everything I want and more. I see the new shiny and want it, but the sensible side of me knows that it would be a waste of money. All of the videos and pressers are designed to create FOMO. Dont fall for it. I read good things about the price/perf of the 7700. If you own the 7700, enjoy it. AMD is busy releasing AM4 chips right now so there is no reason to expect they wont do the same for the AM5 is they decide to move to the AM6 or whatever sooner.
the thing is though with the regular 7700x which I had and I replaced it with 7800x3d is the percieved smoothness of what you're playing. I am happy with the upgrade because I get way less micro stutter. The average fps didn't change a lot in most cases but the 1% lows seem much better. I even noticed in fortnite that my son plays would have maxxed 144 fps with the 7700x but would stutter a lot which I am sensitive to whereas the 7800x3d had zero instances of that. Butter smooth all game. I use a 4080 and my experience playing games was worth it. My GPU stays maxed out in most scenarios now and it didn't before and also while I game the 7800x3d uses half the watts to get the same and in some cases way better results
nice video and good work, this video will be a good reference in 1 year once the Zen5 Ryzen 9000 CPU are out since you can use this hardware for the next upgrade path.
CPU market has been so competitive last 5 years. Ryzen Zen2 still doing great on my second system, making it hard to justify a 5800X3D upgrade. A 7700x owners have a great chip, upgrade for 9800X3D maybe 😄 Greetings from Denmark, I hope that comment will help you with the algorithm. Glad to be here before 100 subscribers, don't give up - happy to see fellow FX owner :)
I had a R5 3600 on an X570 MB. I planned on upgrading the CPU. August 2022 the R7 5700X was on sale for $199. I decided to get it. I wanted the 5800X3D but that cost $389 on sale at the time. The savings meant I could get a 2TB Gen 4 NVME. I still would love to have had the performance of the X3D part, but I'm thrilled to have moved from a 1 TB SATA SSD to larger and faster storage.
Very interesting video, nicely done. And great advice, just upgrading for the sake of something new launching isn't worth it unless there are tangible benefits you can take advantage of. I switched over from Intel (i9-9900k) to AMD for the first time in over a decade when the 7800x3D launched. I'm really pleased how it turned out, and definitely worthwhile for me. The old Intel CPU was holding back my 3090.
@@banana_bread_at_work There's definitely a decent boost, you'll be CPU bound like I was. But at the end of the day, it depends on the games that you play and whether you notice any issues. For me, PC racing games in VR, where being CPU bound, was the specific problem holding back the frame rate.
I am on a 9900K@5Ghz with a similar performing 3080TI, most games it still pegs the GPU around 100%, but there are a few recent games like Starfield or emulation for games like Zelda Tears of the Kindom etc where the old girl is struggling a little. I am still 50/50 on an a CPU upgrade, could probably hold off another year till next gen CPU's, good to know you don't regret it however.
Good video, wise advice. Earned my sub. I find the X3D hype is more significant that the performance increase for most gamers. But then, hype works better than performance to sell PC components to gamers, does it not? My own gaming PC runs a 13700K and a 7900XTX with a 144Hz 4K display. I can play FF14 at maxed + settings and average over 120FPS consistently. What more could I ask? My view on benchmarking is that most users should do it once -- to make sure their new hardware is performing within the expected parameters -- then stop doing it unless there is a perceptible performance change that gives reason to think something is wrong.
Thank you and great advice ... the other thing I think most users should avoid is comparing their system performance with other people's claims on Reddit, Facebook, etc. ... there is simply too much BS online, unstable systems, false claims, unspecified conditions, etc. for it to be relevant. Use the benchmark tools, compare within those tools (they provide a consistent, controlled environment) and then simply enjoy using your machine 😀
I was rocking a 3600x in my x570 aorus elite since late 2019. First of this year I bios flashed it and put the 5800x3d in it. Also upgrade gpu from sapphire pulse 5600xt to an Asrock Formula OC 6950xt. $900 upgrade. What a difference it made. Also went 4x8 gskill tridentz rgb 3600cl14. Was 2x8 oloy 3200c16 but setting xmp ran c18-22-22-22.
I currently have a 7700x and the x3d variant wasn’t available at the time of building. I go back and forth between 2k and 4k resolution, but after seeing this, I agree with you and I’ll wait for 8800x3d or something. The performance boost isn’t significant enough to justify buying the 7800x3d. Good video
@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξI placed a thermal limit on mine because I was restricted in a SFF case with the cooler I could use … the 7000 series AMD chips are super efficient.
Thanks!! Yeah, I have this system hooked up to an LG TV at 4K so there was no performance benefit to upgrade. It’s really tough to not buy into the hype, so I’m glad it helped.
Yes, at 4K it’s definitely GPU limited … the 7900xtx is a terrific card … I hope AMD doesn’t give up on the high end for next generation … we need strong competition
@@blackbirdpctechNah dude the 7900xtx really sucks. It pulls more power than a 4090 and is significantly weaker than it in every way possible. Along with matching the 4080 in raw rasterization performance while that GPU pulls half its power and is really a 4070ti in disguise.
@@ZackSNetworkthe 7900xtx is less than half the price of a 4090, so that level of performance at that price makes it a great gpu. I own multiple 4090’s and multiple 7900xtx’s … it’s ok to like both cards and appreciate the pros/cons of each. I don’t really understand why any consumer would want to try to trash one versus the other … we benefit when there is strong competition … this is why the 4090 is so expensive … Nvidia has no top end competition and they can charge whatever they want.
I currently have an i59400f and an rx580 considering going ryzen 5 7600 and 7800xt and then possibly down the road going to something like the 7800x3d if I can use the same am5 board
Thanks, very interesting :) i waiting for my 7700 non x (less than 200$ for a new one, thanks to the BF), it's 10% lower perfs than your 7700x i think ? I see some youtubers with high end graphics card paired with 64GB of DDR5, they have big difference of perf with 0.1% and 0.01% low fps, just by having 64GB of memory or more, the gape is huge from 32GB to 64GB, that's strange, no ? Thanks in advance :)
That is indeed very strange … unless the games they are playing require more than 32GB of memory … or if they are streaming and playing games at the same time. I will look into it … if there is a meaningful difference I will run some benchmarks and post a video.
@@blackbirdpctech yeah that's what I'm leaning towards. The only thing that is making me unsure is that I would be running DAWs like abelton with plugins for music production. Not for professional but for hobby reasons. I have been reading that the 7800x3d is not best for production...thanks for replying and helping me out. Anymobos you recommend without breaking the bank and losing out too much on performance. My gigabyte p67 ud7 b3 1155 mobo has treated me well these years so I'm thinking of sticking with them unless there are better options from msi or asus.
@@Justin-bm7znyou will be fine with the 7800X3D for that. You could get better performance with a 7900X or 7950X, but then you trade-off gaming performance. The cool thing with the 7000 series chips is that they don’t need high-end motherboards to extract their max performance. What type of budget were you thinking for the MB? You can get great B650e boards with lots of features without breaking the bank.
@@blackbirdpctech i was considering the msi tomahawk since it seemed pretty cheap and has better audio than the gigabyte I was looking at first. I use studio headphones with the 3.5mm jack so onboard audio matters to me and also good wifi matters to me as well.
Would you recommend going for the upgrade if I'm coming from a 7600x and a rtx 4070 ti. Any board recommendation too? I'm running a MSI Ecosystem atm. Recently got my hands on the EK AIO lux drgb 360mm aio and a 6000 M/T ddr5 ram 32 gb CL30 too...
As with most questions PC related it really depends. What resolution monitor do you intend to use? With respect to motherboard, I’ve always liked the MSI Tomahawk, you could go with the B650 variant or the X670E, but that would be a $100 more so make sure you would use the additional features it offers.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm mostly playing at 1440p sir. The problem is, some of the games ported from the mobile scene tends to be capped at 1080p... So I'm really getting them fps drops especially during world event.
@@graelstream2353if you already have a 7600X then I would test it out first before purchasing a 7800x3D. Try the games you play and see what type of 1% low fps numbers you get. If you’re no happy with the performance then get the 7800x3D, it’s an amazing cpu, especially in games when you are cpu bound.
@@blackbirdpctech I see, will try looking into it more. Thank you so much for your insight. Yeah the Tomahawk seems nice, like a good balance for budget and performance. Still hoping that MSI releases a Unify board for the AM5 too. That board looks dope ngl.
Went from an i7 6700k to a 7800x3d because there was a steal bundle at microcenter for 470 on ram, cpu and an atx mobo with wifi. Figured getting the best of the best was worth the price tag, but i admittedly didnt really look too much into what a similar am4 build would cost.
if you take MS flight simulator out of there, i would say that its pretty much a lateral move. thats the thing with the x3d parts, they only do well in specific games, but the rest of the time they are hindered by the clock speeds.
Agreed, I added Far Cry 6 to my benchmark suite. The game that shows the largest benefit from 3d v-cache that I’ve seen is Microsoft flight simulator … it’s a huge performance boost.
Hello, I have a 7800x3D processor, I have not made any performance changes with it, it works as it comes out of the box, it runs at 4675 and 4775 mhz in games, is this normal?
Yes, anywhere between 4.2 and 5.0 is normal … your performance will depend upon load, how many cores are being used, your cooling solution and the silicon quality of your particular chip. Did you enable EXPO on your ram in bios?
@@blackbirdpctech To be honest, I did not do anything in the bios because I am not very knowledgeable, my cooler is 360mm Asus LCD II 360 and it cools quite well, 60 degrees is very rare, usually between 49 and 55.
@@furkansantimci9240I would go into bios and change your memory speed to the rated value. What ddr5 memory do you have? Your cou cooler is great … the way 7000 series CPU’s work out of the box is that they will boost performance until they hit the tjmax temp limit, which for the 7800x3d is 89 deg C. So don’t get worried if under load it gets to that temp, just means you are getting more performance.
@@blackbirdpctech Do these processors get better in terms of performance when they warm up? Or did I misunderstand? Yes, my processor, with a 360mm Asus LC II 360, rarely goes above 55 degrees. This is far from 89 degrees.I have asus x670 e e gaming motherboard and CL 36 6000mhz kingston fury beast 32 gb memory.
@@furkansantimci9240no, they will simply auto boost performance until they hit a temperature limit when under load. Definitely go into bios and turn on expo … will boost your performance. Nice system by the way.
For MS Flight Sim definitely get the 7800X3D … the 3D v-cache performs so incredibly well in that title, it’s like the game was designed for this chip. The 14700k is a great chip but it runs warm, so you will need a good cooling solution.
Going from i9 9900k to a ryzen 9 7900x. Probably sell my 9900k for a similar price i just bought the ryzen. Sometimes this world is really funny 😅 Hopefully it'll pair really well with my 6900xt
im watching your video for the first time and i got very Confused. first you are using Orange for the 7700X and Blue for the 7800X3D and then when you show the games something was off to me. now orange and blue is 7700X and orange+blue was 7800X3D so you did: AMD 7800X3D [Orange][Blue] Bar AMD 7700X [Orange][Blue] Bar Legend [Orange]1%LowFPS [Blue]AVG FPS to keep the Colors maybe i would have Done: AVGFPS [Orange 7700X][Blue 7800X3D] Bar (so the BLue War would just extend the additional FPS from the X3D 1%LOW [Orange 7700X][Blue 7800X3D] Bar Legend [Orange]7700X [Blue]7800X3D that way you could keep the Colors for the CPUs Just an Idea. nothing wrong with yours but it got me confused because i was focused on the Colors being attached to a certain CPU because that how it was a few seconds before :) i will buy a new PC soon and switch from my intel Xeon-E3-1231v3 to an 7700X i think
7600x also doesn't have much difference compared to 7700x, is 7600x strong enough for 7800 xt for 1080p without cpu causing problems? For 1440p I assume it certainly is?
I haven’t tested a 7600X however based on benchmarks from other testers it appears that most games do not benefit significantly from the extra cores, so as you mention the 7600x performs close to the 7700x. Assuming that’s true then it would be a good match for a 7800xt. To determine what the loading split will be between the cpu and gpu you need to specify a game and the settings. For example MW2 can still be gpu bound at 1080p on ultra settings.
@@KittyKittyyyyI wouldn’t call it a problem … your pc will always be bottlenecked regardless of your hardware … you simply want to try to avoid large bottlenecks such as 95%-5% splits. No one can tell you what the specific bottleneck ratio will be for a given resolution without first knowing the game and game settings.
@@blackbirdpctech For 1440p, I would definitely skip the 7700x and get either the 7600x or the 7800x3d (at least for the 7800 xt, I don't know if I'm right). I still think the 7800x3d makes more of a difference than here, though it seems to vary from game to game. In tests where the 7800x3d is compared to the 14900k, it gives about 10 fps more, but that also varies from game to game, in some games 14900k is better.
@@blackbirdpctech How much power supply would I need for the 7800xt 7600x and how much for the 7800 xt 7800x3d? (2x 16 6000 cl 30, 2x m2 500 mb and 1gb, solid air cooling...)
It was clear for me that 4k bottlenecks your graphic card. As you already mentioned a 4090 would have probably made a bigger difference. The Flightsimulator demands more CPU power than your usual game. If someone is into that game genre you might upgrade anyway - especially when playing in 1440p or lower.
Blowing air into a fan can cause damage to it, but the bigger worry is that it generates electricity and can short the motherboard by sending 5v the wrong way
@@NyteStalker89 you are far more likely to damage the bearing than actually damage the board. Seriously. Whenever you clean fans anyway its best to just hold them in place.
I honestly don't think that the R7-7700X is worth it. I'd much rather buy an R7-7700 because it costs less than the 7700X and comes with a Wraith Prism cooler. I'm using a Wraith Prism on my 5800X3D and it's perfect. It doesn't hurt that it's possibly the most beautiful air cooler ever made and costs literally nothing. You can take an R7-7700, enable PBO and presto! You have about the same performance as the 7700X for less money and you don't have to buy a CPU cooler!
I haven't looked at the pricing lately but I recall considering the non X for one of my smaller builds and it was basically the same price, so I went with the X model ... but I agree with your logic.
How do you know that 1000 sample size is a "statistically significant sample size"? For what I know: statistical significance is about a result, it is not about sampling. PS: what you refer at 10:30 is the concept of "statistically significant".
Good question. It's not about a result, it's about the population size. So let's assume that Intel produced 1,000,000 13900K CPU's globally, to estimate the required sample size for a margin of error of 3% with a confidence level of 95% you would need a sample size of 1066 CPU's. If you increase the acceptable margin of error to 5% the sample size required will go down to around 400. My point is that testing 20 CPU's is not statistically significant and that it's not practical to test larger numbers of CPU's. That means you should always take benchmark results with a grain of salt because you will almost never get the same result with your specific chip.
@@blackbirdpctech Ok, thanks for the answer, I had the wrong idea about statistical significance then, I'll have to look some more into it seems fun. Still I have some doubt because of the binning process of these processors, they cannot vary a lot pretty much because of the manufacturing process and that test from Gamers Nexus to me proves this fact. It doesn't seem to me that benchmark results have to be taken with a grain of salt because of the specific chip, I think that the testing methodology (setup, software, benchmarks and so on) is way more important.
The point of statistical significance is that you can be confident in your results. Let's leave that aside for a moment though. The CPU's themselves only have to meet a minimum spec ... golden samples for example will perform much better than the average chip. The problem with benchmarks is that you typically have no idea if the chip being tested is a golden sample, average or really bad. The problem with day one reviews is that Intel, AMD and Nvidia will typically send out binned chips so that they perform well in benchmarks ... they are not representative of the chip lottery that the rest of us enter when we buy. You are correct about the methodology being important but we all make mistakes when testing, so that's why it's important to be careful when basing a buying decision on benchmark results ... even mine 😉
@@blackbirdpctech For what I know, at stock there shouldn't be any difference from a golden sample and a bad sample, it is something you should notice only with overclocking. Every processor has the minimum quality to be "alright" at stock, that's the binning process making sure of this. Then this is what I know, maybe I'm wrong.
@@cippo1995modern CPU’s boost to higher frequencies when there is headroom available to do so. So a golden sample chip will boost higher and longer with standard auto motherboard settings.
Looks like you testing at ultra, if you want the best 1% lows then you run at lower settings then the 7800x3d starts to make sense, especially if the game you play likes the V cache.
I agree that if you place more load on the cpu then it will amplify cpu performance however it doesn’t really reflect how someone with a 7800x3d and great gpu would play a game … so that’s always a challenge when benchmarking.
@@jedics1very true … benchmarking takes a long time to do properly, so I always debate what conditions to test at. Perhaps I should consider running MW3 at lower settings to better reflect that community. Thanks for the comment and suggestion, much appreciated.
I found your video through searches about 1% lows on the 7800x3d and pubg, most of those videos show it at lowest settings at some point because the game runs so crap, all but the highest end hardware will drop to 100 fps on the highest settings at some point.
This is not an upgrade worth doing. Nice clean build though but I would not go from 7700x to 7800x3d I'd delid and with direct die cooling oc the 7700x first. Your video quality is good I liked and subbed
@@clou09it really isn't the deliding is easy and there is lots to gain I have delided every cpu I have owned right now my current in use CPUs are 13900ks 7700x and a 7950x3d all delided and direct die cooled
I say it is. I had the 7800x3d BRIEFLY only because I got the 7900x3d for the same price - 400$ on black friday, and the 800x3d was 389$. What's weird is the 800 was beating the 900 but now seems to be reversed on most games. Cores parked, voltages, the ccd's that chip and AMD is weird. I came from a 6700k intel oc'd at 5ghz (on it's last week before retiring it). The new amd arch is different and took me a bit to understand the cores and how they interact. The auto engaging and windows trickery is what most miss as if you just slap it in there and expect things to work correctly I say - NOPE. Sure it will run fine, but you have to force things. Also posting can be fun with ram retraining....that was something I didn't expect.
@@blackbirdpctech I straight went PANIC mode was like why is this thing not booting? WHAT IS THIS? Now I know, but new owners will have a case of the ??????
I had the same feeling ... after turning on a new PC that you've just finished building for the first time the last thing you want is to wait for it to boot into bios ... you start going through your mind of everything that you could have done wrong 😅
@@blackbirdpctech I had amd athlon 64 in .....2002 or 2003 (lol). I just installed everything and I scraped a trace copper off mobo. I had to solder a jump wire on it. Worked fine. I still think about that day haha.
It is not weird that a 7800x3d beats a 7900x3d. the 7900x3d is a dual CCD chip (6 cores pr CCD) and only 1 of this CCD's have the 3d stacked cache. So for gaming, this chip is a 6 core x3d chip. The 7800x3d is a single CCD 8 core chip.
@@blackbirdpctechJust did a google and it seems that this is the paint on method, like I stated how I apply thermal grease above. I never knew the name of this method of apply thermal grease. ua-cam.com/video/jwNREvseZho/v-deo.html
@@blackbirdpctech I have 120mm aio, keeps my I 9 10850k at around 75 degrees whilst gaming, you know like normal case use not using silly benchmarks like c r23
Definitely not worth upgrading a 7700x. You'd have to sell the 7700x at a loss as well so the value would be even worse. Now choosing a 7700x vs. a 7800x3d for a new build is a different story. If you're gaming at 4K you could save 70-100$ by going with the 7700x (unless you are that MS flight sim guy). But there's always fomo--I ended up going with the 7800x3d ($70 premium to the 7700x) myself (despite being a 4K gamer) 😏
I would have made the exact same decision if I was buying new. When I purchased the 7700X the X3D chips had not been released, otherwise I would have gotten one based on my good experience with the 5800X3D. Thanks for your comment.
The 7800x3d can sometimes be found at the same price as a 7700x because AMD is weird. So there is no reason to usually go with the 7700x if it’s for you. If it’s for someone else they can save the $50 at max. You need at least a 4080 or 7900xtx for a 7800x3d to make sense.
just did it. for 1080,- Asus x670E creator WiFi 460,- , 7800X3d 380,- , Trident Z 64Gb c30 6000Mhz 229,- (XMP version the EXPO was 30 more) Got it for Thunderbolt4 and 10Gbe and the 60w charging on the front USB-C (nice for charging my VR headset) and uses less power then my old setup. i had an Gigabyte x570 master 350,- x5900 599,- 32gb ddr4 4000 c16 300,- back in the day :P (use that for streaming PC now with an 3070TI) Main thing was i needed 64GB a good set of 64gb on ddr4 is unaffordable or you get a cappy 4000Mhz c18 kit To bad your kida "stupid" did you check the power your system uses ? i bet that x3d uses way less power then 5% :P
Hopefully you realize that you only pay for the power you use not the power that your psu is rated at … never understood why people try to buy the smallest psu they can get away with … peak efficiency is at about 50% of the rated capacity. Probably a good idea to learn about these things before insulting people 😉
Interesting, i have 7800x3D/7900 XT combo. Coming from a 5800x3D. that was........sort of justified. But from a 7700x.........surely no. even a from a 7600........Not worth the price difference. note: % lows are better, average are limited with the gpu, power consumption low, heat generated.......🫣😵💫. hot chip the 7800x 3d !
I would argue that it’s different versus hot since it was a design philosophy change at AMD. For 7000 series CPU’s they decided to let the chips auto boost until hitting a thermal limit, for the X3D chips that limit is 89 deg C. It’s a cool idea and it means buying a better cooling solution is worth it, but it freaks people out and they think something is wrong.
@@blackbirdpctech for sure. the 5800x3D was hot. but the 7800x3d more.....though you can set a specific target temperature in the bios. For me it was buying a powerful gaming cpu, instead of a 4090, that wasn't in my money range. in 1 or 2 years, hoping to make the 7900xt evolve into something more powerful. then.....the 7800x3d could help. a little ? 😂 anyhow it was fun to tweak !
@@jean-claudejosselin187yes that’s what I did, I set a lower temp target in BIOS … the performance difference is small and my SFF pc couldn’t fit a greater cooler.
@@jean-claudejosselin187by the way, I tested the 5800X3D too … it’s a beast. Please subscribe if you enjoyed the content, I have a really cool video posting this afternoon.
As long as you are happy with your performance. I use both AMD and Intel … they each have pros and cons and the strong competition in the cpu space is keeping prices down, which is a great thing for us.
Thanks for making this video. I have a 7700x paired with my 7900xtx. I had been contemplating getting a 7800x3d, but after watching this I'll be fine with what I have. Maybe when the 9000 cpus come out, hopefully still on AM5, I can get an x3d chip.
I am on a 5900x and the 7800X3D is not tempting for me at all. My system is fan-freaking-tastic. It does everything I want and more. I see the new shiny and want it, but the sensible side of me knows that it would be a waste of money. All of the videos and pressers are designed to create FOMO. Dont fall for it. I read good things about the price/perf of the 7700. If you own the 7700, enjoy it. AMD is busy releasing AM4 chips right now so there is no reason to expect they wont do the same for the AM5 is they decide to move to the AM6 or whatever sooner.
It's worth it if you're building new or upgrading from older ryzen. If you're already on AM5 it's not worth.
did you read the title of the video
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Yep you have an excellent current 7700x, the tiny upgrade to a 7800x3d is just burring cash and wasting time.
the thing is though with the regular 7700x which I had and I replaced it with 7800x3d is the percieved smoothness of what you're playing. I am happy with the upgrade because I get way less micro stutter. The average fps didn't change a lot in most cases but the 1% lows seem much better. I even noticed in fortnite that my son plays would have maxxed 144 fps with the 7700x but would stutter a lot which I am sensitive to whereas the 7800x3d had zero instances of that. Butter smooth all game. I use a 4080 and my experience playing games was worth it. My GPU stays maxed out in most scenarios now and it didn't before and also while I game the 7800x3d uses half the watts to get the same and in some cases way better results
great review, thanks ! :) will keep watching your channel ! :)
Thanks for watching and joining !!
I'm enjoying your general video presentation format and simple straight to the point conclusions, love to see more of your stuff. 🙂
Thank you !!
nice video and good work, this video will be a good reference in 1 year once the Zen5 Ryzen 9000 CPU are out since you can use this hardware for the next upgrade path.
Great video, motherboard options seem like a great choice to talk about.
Thank you … I’m not sure what to do with motherboard reviews … not sure how to benchmark them effectively … if you have ideas please let me know.
CPU market has been so competitive last 5 years. Ryzen Zen2 still doing great on my second system, making it hard to justify a 5800X3D upgrade.
A 7700x owners have a great chip, upgrade for 9800X3D maybe 😄
Greetings from Denmark, I hope that comment will help you with the algorithm. Glad to be here before 100 subscribers, don't give up - happy to see fellow FX owner :)
Thank you for your comment and watching … my next video is actually on the 5800X3D, so that might interest you 😉
I've joined the ranks 😂 Still running my 3700x with 1070.
Thinking to jump to 7800x3d or 7900x
I had a R5 3600 on an X570 MB. I planned on upgrading the CPU. August 2022 the R7 5700X was on sale for $199. I decided to get it. I wanted the 5800X3D but that cost $389 on sale at the time. The savings meant I could get a 2TB Gen 4 NVME. I still would love to have had the performance of the X3D part, but I'm thrilled to have moved from a 1 TB SATA SSD to larger and faster storage.
That was a smart trade off to make 😉
Very interesting video, nicely done. And great advice, just upgrading for the sake of something new launching isn't worth it unless there are tangible benefits you can take advantage of. I switched over from Intel (i9-9900k) to AMD for the first time in over a decade when the 7800x3D launched. I'm really pleased how it turned out, and definitely worthwhile for me. The old Intel CPU was holding back my 3090.
Thanks for watching and for the kind words!!
What a coincidence. I have a 9900k and a 3080ti. Looking at moving to the 7800x3d.
@@banana_bread_at_work There's definitely a decent boost, you'll be CPU bound like I was. But at the end of the day, it depends on the games that you play and whether you notice any issues. For me, PC racing games in VR, where being CPU bound, was the specific problem holding back the frame rate.
I am on a 9900K@5Ghz with a similar performing 3080TI, most games it still pegs the GPU around 100%, but there are a few recent games like Starfield or emulation for games like Zelda Tears of the Kindom etc where the old girl is struggling a little. I am still 50/50 on an a CPU upgrade, could probably hold off another year till next gen CPU's, good to know you don't regret it however.
Good video, wise advice. Earned my sub. I find the X3D hype is more significant that the performance increase for most gamers. But then, hype works better than performance to sell PC components to gamers, does it not? My own gaming PC runs a 13700K and a 7900XTX with a 144Hz 4K display. I can play FF14 at maxed + settings and average over 120FPS consistently. What more could I ask?
My view on benchmarking is that most users should do it once -- to make sure their new hardware is performing within the expected parameters -- then stop doing it unless there is a perceptible performance change that gives reason to think something is wrong.
Thank you and great advice ... the other thing I think most users should avoid is comparing their system performance with other people's claims on Reddit, Facebook, etc. ... there is simply too much BS online, unstable systems, false claims, unspecified conditions, etc. for it to be relevant. Use the benchmark tools, compare within those tools (they provide a consistent, controlled environment) and then simply enjoy using your machine 😀
@@blackbirdpctech I agree. There's almost as much Internet chest thumping in PC building forums as in firearms forums.
I was rocking a 3600x in my x570 aorus elite since late 2019. First of this year I bios flashed it and put the 5800x3d in it. Also upgrade gpu from sapphire pulse 5600xt to an Asrock Formula OC 6950xt. $900 upgrade. What a difference it made. Also went 4x8 gskill tridentz rgb 3600cl14. Was 2x8 oloy 3200c16 but setting xmp ran c18-22-22-22.
I got the gpu and cpu bundled at micro center for $900.
I currently have a 7700x and the x3d variant wasn’t available at the time of building. I go back and forth between 2k and 4k resolution, but after seeing this, I agree with you and I’ll wait for 8800x3d or something. The performance boost isn’t significant enough to justify buying the 7800x3d. Good video
Thanks for watching and I was in the same boat, I purchased the 7700X before the X3D chips came out. It’s a great cpu.
@@blackbirdpctechUsing 7700X also, but I keep it in 'eco mode'.
@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξI placed a thermal limit on mine because I was restricted in a SFF case with the cooler I could use … the 7000 series AMD chips are super efficient.
@@blackbirdpctech Using mine in a Sugo 14 with NH-P1 and deshrouded Strix 4060 fans removed.
Wow, great video man. It’s funny, I have a 7700X and looking at these gaming benchmarks there is no reason for me to upgrade.
Thanks!! Yeah, I have this system hooked up to an LG TV at 4K so there was no performance benefit to upgrade. It’s really tough to not buy into the hype, so I’m glad it helped.
Nice to see a video where it is not a 4090 . You can see the system is GPU bottlenecked.
Yes, at 4K it’s definitely GPU limited … the 7900xtx is a terrific card … I hope AMD doesn’t give up on the high end for next generation … we need strong competition
@@blackbirdpctechNah dude the 7900xtx really sucks. It pulls more power than a 4090 and is significantly weaker than it in every way possible. Along with matching the 4080 in raw rasterization performance while that GPU pulls half its power and is really a 4070ti in disguise.
@@ZackSNetworkthe 7900xtx is less than half the price of a 4090, so that level of performance at that price makes it a great gpu. I own multiple 4090’s and multiple 7900xtx’s … it’s ok to like both cards and appreciate the pros/cons of each. I don’t really understand why any consumer would want to try to trash one versus the other … we benefit when there is strong competition … this is why the 4090 is so expensive … Nvidia has no top end competition and they can charge whatever they want.
Keep up the good work, great presentation
Thank you and thanks for watching!!
I currently have an i59400f and an rx580 considering going ryzen 5 7600 and 7800xt and then possibly down the road going to something like the 7800x3d if I can use the same am5 board
You will be able to use the same board, so that's a good plan.
Love the video! Great content
Thank you, glad you liked it!!
Thanks, very interesting :) i waiting for my 7700 non x (less than 200$ for a new one, thanks to the BF), it's 10% lower perfs than your 7700x i think ?
I see some youtubers with high end graphics card paired with 64GB of DDR5, they have big difference of perf with 0.1% and 0.01% low fps, just by having 64GB of memory or more, the gape is huge from 32GB to 64GB, that's strange, no ?
Thanks in advance :)
That is indeed very strange … unless the games they are playing require more than 32GB of memory … or if they are streaming and playing games at the same time. I will look into it … if there is a meaningful difference I will run some benchmarks and post a video.
I'm running an i7-2600k. LGA1155 socket. Came out in 2011 I think. What would your call be in this case
Go with a 7800X3D if you want to go AMD ... it's an amazing chip.
@@blackbirdpctech yeah that's what I'm leaning towards. The only thing that is making me unsure is that I would be running DAWs like abelton with plugins for music production. Not for professional but for hobby reasons. I have been reading that the 7800x3d is not best for production...thanks for replying and helping me out. Anymobos you recommend without breaking the bank and losing out too much on performance. My gigabyte p67 ud7 b3 1155 mobo has treated me well these years so I'm thinking of sticking with them unless there are better options from msi or asus.
@@Justin-bm7znyou will be fine with the 7800X3D for that. You could get better performance with a 7900X or 7950X, but then you trade-off gaming performance. The cool thing with the 7000 series chips is that they don’t need high-end motherboards to extract their max performance. What type of budget were you thinking for the MB? You can get great B650e boards with lots of features without breaking the bank.
@@blackbirdpctech i was considering the msi tomahawk since it seemed pretty cheap and has better audio than the gigabyte I was looking at first. I use studio headphones with the 3.5mm jack so onboard audio matters to me and also good wifi matters to me as well.
Would you recommend going for the upgrade if I'm coming from a 7600x and a rtx 4070 ti. Any board recommendation too? I'm running a MSI Ecosystem atm. Recently got my hands on the EK AIO lux drgb 360mm aio and a 6000 M/T ddr5 ram 32 gb CL30 too...
As with most questions PC related it really depends. What resolution monitor do you intend to use? With respect to motherboard, I’ve always liked the MSI Tomahawk, you could go with the B650 variant or the X670E, but that would be a $100 more so make sure you would use the additional features it offers.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm mostly playing at 1440p sir. The problem is, some of the games ported from the mobile scene tends to be capped at 1080p... So I'm really getting them fps drops especially during world event.
@@graelstream2353if you already have a 7600X then I would test it out first before purchasing a 7800x3D. Try the games you play and see what type of 1% low fps numbers you get. If you’re no happy with the performance then get the 7800x3D, it’s an amazing cpu, especially in games when you are cpu bound.
@@blackbirdpctech I see, will try looking into it more. Thank you so much for your insight. Yeah the Tomahawk seems nice, like a good balance for budget and performance. Still hoping that MSI releases a Unify board for the AM5 too. That board looks dope ngl.
@@graelstream2353no problem and yeah, I like MSI as a brand too. I wish they would release a 4090 lightning … I loved their lightning series GPU’s.
Good and honest Cheers!
Went from an i7 6700k to a 7800x3d because there was a steal bundle at microcenter for 470 on ram, cpu and an atx mobo with wifi. Figured getting the best of the best was worth the price tag, but i admittedly didnt really look too much into what a similar am4 build would cost.
Great deal and you have a future upgrade path with AM5.
This is gonna last you longer than any other current gen Ryzen 7, so it's well worth the extra when building from scratch or upgrading an old cpu.
if you take MS flight simulator out of there, i would say that its pretty much a lateral move. thats the thing with the x3d parts, they only do well in specific games, but the rest of the time they are hindered by the clock speeds.
Agreed
Going from 2700k to 7800x3D. Will be going from a turtle to a supersonic jet 😂
Congrats, you are going to love it 😉
Really depends on the game, open world games like sons of the forest or far cry 6 really capitalize on the 3D cache.
Agreed, I added Far Cry 6 to my benchmark suite. The game that shows the largest benefit from 3d v-cache that I’ve seen is Microsoft flight simulator … it’s a huge performance boost.
Hello, I have a 7800x3D processor, I have not made any performance changes with it, it works as it comes out of the box, it runs at 4675 and 4775 mhz in games, is this normal?
Yes, anywhere between 4.2 and 5.0 is normal … your performance will depend upon load, how many cores are being used, your cooling solution and the silicon quality of your particular chip. Did you enable EXPO on your ram in bios?
@@blackbirdpctech To be honest, I did not do anything in the bios because I am not very knowledgeable, my cooler is 360mm Asus LCD II 360 and it cools quite well, 60 degrees is very rare, usually between 49 and 55.
@@furkansantimci9240I would go into bios and change your memory speed to the rated value. What ddr5 memory do you have? Your cou cooler is great … the way 7000 series CPU’s work out of the box is that they will boost performance until they hit the tjmax temp limit, which for the 7800x3d is 89 deg C. So don’t get worried if under load it gets to that temp, just means you are getting more performance.
@@blackbirdpctech Do these processors get better in terms of performance when they warm up? Or did I misunderstand? Yes, my processor, with a 360mm Asus LC II 360, rarely goes above 55 degrees. This is far from 89 degrees.I have asus x670 e e gaming motherboard and CL 36 6000mhz kingston fury beast 32 gb memory.
@@furkansantimci9240no, they will simply auto boost performance until they hit a temperature limit when under load. Definitely go into bios and turn on expo … will boost your performance. Nice system by the way.
I do flight sim. Is the 7800x3d the one to go?
And is the 14700k better?
For MS Flight Sim definitely get the 7800X3D … the 3D v-cache performs so incredibly well in that title, it’s like the game was designed for this chip. The 14700k is a great chip but it runs warm, so you will need a good cooling solution.
Only intel have more stable frame rate .
@@koldevil476 that is fundamentally not true in MS Flight Sim, the 3D V-Cache chips get better 1% lows and average FPS.
I've had my i7 6700k for 6 years now... been looking around to upgrade
That will be a huge difference
Going from i9 9900k to a ryzen 9 7900x. Probably sell my 9900k for a similar price i just bought the ryzen. Sometimes this world is really funny 😅 Hopefully it'll pair really well with my 6900xt
You will love it … big upgrade in performance.
im watching your video for the first time and i got very Confused.
first you are using Orange for the 7700X and Blue for the 7800X3D
and then when you show the games something was off to me. now orange and blue is 7700X and orange+blue was 7800X3D so you did:
AMD 7800X3D [Orange][Blue] Bar
AMD 7700X [Orange][Blue] Bar
Legend [Orange]1%LowFPS [Blue]AVG FPS
to keep the Colors maybe i would have Done:
AVGFPS [Orange 7700X][Blue 7800X3D] Bar (so the BLue War would just extend the additional FPS from the X3D
1%LOW [Orange 7700X][Blue 7800X3D] Bar
Legend [Orange]7700X [Blue]7800X3D
that way you could keep the Colors for the CPUs
Just an Idea.
nothing wrong with yours but it got me confused because i was focused on the Colors being attached to a certain CPU because that how it was a few seconds before :)
i will buy a new PC soon and switch from my intel Xeon-E3-1231v3 to an 7700X i think
Thanks for watching and the suggestion … will see what I can do to make the benchmark colors clearer.
7600x also doesn't have much difference compared to 7700x, is 7600x strong enough for 7800 xt for 1080p without cpu causing problems? For 1440p I assume it certainly is?
I haven’t tested a 7600X however based on benchmarks from other testers it appears that most games do not benefit significantly from the extra cores, so as you mention the 7600x performs close to the 7700x. Assuming that’s true then it would be a good match for a 7800xt. To determine what the loading split will be between the cpu and gpu you need to specify a game and the settings. For example MW2 can still be gpu bound at 1080p on ultra settings.
@@blackbirdpctech So, on 1080p, in rare cases, there would be minor problems, and on 1440p, it would work fine?
@@KittyKittyyyyI wouldn’t call it a problem … your pc will always be bottlenecked regardless of your hardware … you simply want to try to avoid large bottlenecks such as 95%-5% splits. No one can tell you what the specific bottleneck ratio will be for a given resolution without first knowing the game and game settings.
@@blackbirdpctech
For 1440p, I would definitely skip the 7700x and get either the 7600x or the 7800x3d (at least for the 7800 xt, I don't know if I'm right). I still think the 7800x3d makes more of a difference than here, though it seems to vary from game to game. In tests where the 7800x3d is compared to the 14900k, it gives about 10 fps more, but that also varies from game to game, in some games 14900k is better.
@@blackbirdpctech
How much power supply would I need for the 7800xt 7600x and how much for the 7800 xt 7800x3d? (2x 16 6000 cl 30, 2x m2 500 mb and 1gb, solid air cooling...)
It was clear for me that 4k bottlenecks your graphic card. As you already mentioned a 4090 would have probably made a bigger difference. The Flightsimulator demands more CPU power than your usual game. If someone is into that game genre you might upgrade anyway - especially when playing in 1440p or lower.
It certainly seems like MS Flight Sim was tailor made for the 3D v-cache chips … the performance increase is amazing.
Blowing air into a fan can cause damage to it, but the bigger worry is that it generates electricity and can short the motherboard by sending 5v the wrong way
Very good point ... I think Jay recently demonstrated this.
@@blackbirdpctech yeah he did haha, but I also learned that one the hard way years ago lol. Never again!
@@NyteStalker89 you are far more likely to damage the bearing than actually damage the board. Seriously. Whenever you clean fans anyway its best to just hold them in place.
Well, with AM5 this day and age the actual motherboard is the most limiting factor, that shit's pricing is insane.
Motherboard pricing in general is crazy … have you looked at the b650 models? They are more affordable and offer most of the x670 functionality.
@@blackbirdpctech Yeah, and they are still 200+ bucks. I am building my PCs for almost 30 years already, and I can't remember this kind of crap 😁
I honestly don't think that the R7-7700X is worth it. I'd much rather buy an R7-7700 because it costs less than the 7700X and comes with a Wraith Prism cooler. I'm using a Wraith Prism on my 5800X3D and it's perfect. It doesn't hurt that it's possibly the most beautiful air cooler ever made and costs literally nothing.
You can take an R7-7700, enable PBO and presto! You have about the same performance as the 7700X for less money and you don't have to buy a CPU cooler!
I haven't looked at the pricing lately but I recall considering the non X for one of my smaller builds and it was basically the same price, so I went with the X model ... but I agree with your logic.
How do you know that 1000 sample size is a "statistically significant sample size"?
For what I know: statistical significance is about a result, it is not about sampling.
PS: what you refer at 10:30 is the concept of "statistically significant".
Good question. It's not about a result, it's about the population size. So let's assume that Intel produced 1,000,000 13900K CPU's globally, to estimate the required sample size for a margin of error of 3% with a confidence level of 95% you would need a sample size of 1066 CPU's. If you increase the acceptable margin of error to 5% the sample size required will go down to around 400. My point is that testing 20 CPU's is not statistically significant and that it's not practical to test larger numbers of CPU's. That means you should always take benchmark results with a grain of salt because you will almost never get the same result with your specific chip.
@@blackbirdpctech Ok, thanks for the answer, I had the wrong idea about statistical significance then, I'll have to look some more into it seems fun.
Still I have some doubt because of the binning process of these processors, they cannot vary a lot pretty much because of the manufacturing process and that test from Gamers Nexus to me proves this fact.
It doesn't seem to me that benchmark results have to be taken with a grain of salt because of the specific chip, I think that the testing methodology (setup, software, benchmarks and so on) is way more important.
The point of statistical significance is that you can be confident in your results. Let's leave that aside for a moment though. The CPU's themselves only have to meet a minimum spec ... golden samples for example will perform much better than the average chip. The problem with benchmarks is that you typically have no idea if the chip being tested is a golden sample, average or really bad. The problem with day one reviews is that Intel, AMD and Nvidia will typically send out binned chips so that they perform well in benchmarks ... they are not representative of the chip lottery that the rest of us enter when we buy. You are correct about the methodology being important but we all make mistakes when testing, so that's why it's important to be careful when basing a buying decision on benchmark results ... even mine 😉
@@blackbirdpctech For what I know, at stock there shouldn't be any difference from a golden sample and a bad sample, it is something you should notice only with overclocking.
Every processor has the minimum quality to be "alright" at stock, that's the binning process making sure of this.
Then this is what I know, maybe I'm wrong.
@@cippo1995modern CPU’s boost to higher frequencies when there is headroom available to do so. So a golden sample chip will boost higher and longer with standard auto motherboard settings.
5800x3d jump to 9800x3d 😂
went from a 3700x to a 7800X3D, really happy with my choice.
That would definitely be a significant performance increase 😉
Am so close to doing the same😅
@@redbunnyclassic i think you should if you have the chance.
Looks like you testing at ultra, if you want the best 1% lows then you run at lower settings then the 7800x3d starts to make sense, especially if the game you play likes the V cache.
I agree that if you place more load on the cpu then it will amplify cpu performance however it doesn’t really reflect how someone with a 7800x3d and great gpu would play a game … so that’s always a challenge when benchmarking.
@@blackbirdpctech Depends on the type of gamer too, many into fast paced shooters gladly forego slick graphics for silky smooth high fps
@@jedics1very true … benchmarking takes a long time to do properly, so I always debate what conditions to test at. Perhaps I should consider running MW3 at lower settings to better reflect that community. Thanks for the comment and suggestion, much appreciated.
I found your video through searches about 1% lows on the 7800x3d and pubg, most of those videos show it at lowest settings at some point because the game runs so crap, all but the highest end hardware will drop to 100 fps on the highest settings at some point.
This is not an upgrade worth doing. Nice clean build though but I would not go from 7700x to 7800x3d I'd delid and with direct die cooling oc the 7700x first. Your video quality is good I liked and subbed
delidding is very risky. the cips are soldered on the ihs and might crack when opened. Do Not do it, you will not gain anything.
@@clou09it really isn't the deliding is easy and there is lots to gain I have delided every cpu I have owned right now my current in use CPUs are 13900ks 7700x and a 7950x3d all delided and direct die cooled
I say it is. I had the 7800x3d BRIEFLY only because I got the 7900x3d for the same price - 400$ on black friday, and the 800x3d was 389$. What's weird is the 800 was beating the 900 but now seems to be reversed on most games. Cores parked, voltages, the ccd's that chip and AMD is weird. I came from a 6700k intel oc'd at 5ghz (on it's last week before retiring it). The new amd arch is different and took me a bit to understand the cores and how they interact. The auto engaging and windows trickery is what most miss as if you just slap it in there and expect things to work correctly I say - NOPE. Sure it will run fine, but you have to force things. Also posting can be fun with ram retraining....that was something I didn't expect.
Yes, the extra time it takes to retrain memory compared with AM4 took a little getting used to for me too.
@@blackbirdpctech I straight went PANIC mode was like why is this thing not booting? WHAT IS THIS? Now I know, but new owners will have a case of the ??????
I had the same feeling ... after turning on a new PC that you've just finished building for the first time the last thing you want is to wait for it to boot into bios ... you start going through your mind of everything that you could have done wrong 😅
@@blackbirdpctech I had amd athlon 64 in .....2002 or 2003 (lol). I just installed everything and I scraped a trace copper off mobo. I had to solder a jump wire on it. Worked fine. I still think about that day haha.
It is not weird that a 7800x3d beats a 7900x3d. the 7900x3d is a dual CCD chip (6 cores pr CCD) and only 1 of this CCD's have the 3d stacked cache. So for gaming, this chip is a 6 core x3d chip. The 7800x3d is a single CCD 8 core chip.
The "PentaPeng Method" is the best way to apply thermal paste.
I’m not sure if I should ask but now I’m curious, what is the pentapeng method?
@@blackbirdpctechYeah, what is that method? I just spread it like peanut butter.
@@Methodical2couldn’t find any info on it … it doesn’t really matter anyway as long as you have enough.
@@blackbirdpctechJust did a google and it seems that this is the paint on method, like I stated how I apply thermal grease above. I never knew the name of this method of apply thermal grease. ua-cam.com/video/jwNREvseZho/v-deo.html
I have a 7700X and a 13600K build. No need for a 7800X3D.
Wrong.
@@fyorbane noob
13600K best you AMD fanboys. AMD is garbage always something meeehh
im surprise that this cooler can keep that chip cool
It struggles so I set a thermal limit in the bios … these chips are efficient, so the thermal limit doesn’t have a large impact on performance.
@@blackbirdpctechso there is hope for my 120mm aio in my mini itx one day for at least for the next 8 core 3d processor
@@frostkaizen1985I would definitely try it and find out … I miss the 120mm AIO’s … can be a good design for a SFF case.
@@blackbirdpctech I have 120mm aio, keeps my I 9 10850k at around 75 degrees whilst gaming, you know like normal case use not using silly benchmarks like c r23
Definitely not worth upgrading a 7700x. You'd have to sell the 7700x at a loss as well so the value would be even worse. Now choosing a 7700x vs. a 7800x3d for a new build is a different story. If you're gaming at 4K you could save 70-100$ by going with the 7700x (unless you are that MS flight sim guy). But there's always fomo--I ended up going with the 7800x3d ($70 premium to the 7700x) myself (despite being a 4K gamer) 😏
I would have made the exact same decision if I was buying new. When I purchased the 7700X the X3D chips had not been released, otherwise I would have gotten one based on my good experience with the 5800X3D. Thanks for your comment.
The 7800x3d can sometimes be found at the same price as a 7700x because AMD is weird. So there is no reason to usually go with the 7700x if it’s for you. If it’s for someone else they can save the $50 at max. You need at least a 4080 or 7900xtx for a 7800x3d to make sense.
@@ZackSNetworkwhy do you say that about needing a 4080 or 7900xtx for a 7800x3d to make sense? To put the load on the cpu by avoiding gpu bottlenecks?
just did it. for 1080,- Asus x670E creator WiFi 460,- , 7800X3d 380,- , Trident Z 64Gb c30 6000Mhz 229,- (XMP version the EXPO was 30 more)
Got it for Thunderbolt4 and 10Gbe and the 60w charging on the front USB-C (nice for charging my VR headset) and uses less power then my old setup.
i had an Gigabyte x570 master 350,- x5900 599,- 32gb ddr4 4000 c16 300,- back in the day :P (use that for streaming PC now with an 3070TI)
Main thing was i needed 64GB a good set of 64gb on ddr4 is unaffordable or you get a cappy 4000Mhz c18 kit
To bad your kida "stupid" did you check the power your system uses ? i bet that x3d uses way less power then 5% :P
Hopefully you realize that you only pay for the power you use not the power that your psu is rated at … never understood why people try to buy the smallest psu they can get away with … peak efficiency is at about 50% of the rated capacity. Probably a good idea to learn about these things before insulting people 😉
Interesting, i have 7800x3D/7900 XT combo.
Coming from a 5800x3D. that was........sort of justified.
But from a 7700x.........surely no. even a from a 7600........Not worth the price difference.
note: % lows are better, average are limited with the gpu, power consumption low, heat generated.......🫣😵💫. hot chip the 7800x 3d !
I would argue that it’s different versus hot since it was a design philosophy change at AMD. For 7000 series CPU’s they decided to let the chips auto boost until hitting a thermal limit, for the X3D chips that limit is 89 deg C. It’s a cool idea and it means buying a better cooling solution is worth it, but it freaks people out and they think something is wrong.
@@blackbirdpctech for sure. the 5800x3D was hot. but the 7800x3d more.....though you can set a specific target temperature in the bios.
For me it was buying a powerful gaming cpu, instead of a 4090, that wasn't in my money range. in 1 or 2 years, hoping to make the 7900xt evolve into something more powerful. then.....the 7800x3d could help. a little ? 😂
anyhow it was fun to tweak !
@@jean-claudejosselin187yes that’s what I did, I set a lower temp target in BIOS … the performance difference is small and my SFF pc couldn’t fit a greater cooler.
@@jean-claudejosselin187by the way, I tested the 5800X3D too … it’s a beast. Please subscribe if you enjoyed the content, I have a really cool video posting this afternoon.
@@jean-claudejosselin187The 7900xt is not powerful enough for a 7800x3d you are GPU bottlenecked. You need either a 7900xtx or 4080 at least.
13600k 🩵 im team blue for suuuaa
As long as you are happy with your performance. I use both AMD and Intel … they each have pros and cons and the strong competition in the cpu space is keeping prices down, which is a great thing for us.