I can imagine Julius Caesar coming into the room and saying “what’s with all your kid posters here when are you gonna grow up and do what other Roman boys are doing ?
This made me think of when i visited Capri, what an amazing place. Whales are quite common in the sea between north western Italy and Corsica, so much that there is a whale sanctuary there, and huge sperm whales are often found to the north of Sicily, so the idea of whale bones is not far fetched. At the time of the dinosaurs there was a tropical sea in the region where today Italy is located, in fact marine fossils are often found in the Italian mountains, they even found several ichtiosaurus, the idea of Augustus having some of them is really fascinating.
I think another reason why these were not dinosaur bones is because dinosaur “bones” aren’t actually bones, they’re mineral deposits that have filled in the cavities left by actual bones once the bones have decayed. Hence why they’re found within rock deposits and have to be painstakingly removed and then meticulously removed from the extraneous rock material the fossils are encased in. It’s not like you just go walking along and see a Tyrannosaur skull entirely removed from the rock material it was formed in.
Did they not have countless mines and constructions dug into the earth? Isnt it possible they would come across one? Or do you think the workers/slaves would just keep digging and not say anything?
Nah, while I dont think you are entirely wrong, "dragon" bones were sought out as medicine/magic. The Chinese have been doing it for over a thousand years. Its also a commonly held belief that things like "griffons" were actually fossil skulls they saw near the silk road. Many even believe it was protoceratops.
Not all fossils have to be painstakingly prepared to be visible and collectible. Preparation like that is only necessary if the rock is particularly hard. You can find field excavation videos of dinosaurs where much of the bones are revealed simply through some careful excavation with basic tools and brushwork, though I’m unsure if Roman slaves would have been that gentle.
Tyrannosaurus Rex fossils are only found in North America (specifically Canada and the United States in America). So, unlikely Romans would have "T-Rex" fossils.
@@storm___ I think you’re thinking of tyrannosaurs, they were centralized into Asia and North America, but animals like Yutyrannus, Tarbosaurus, and others lived in China, Mongolia and east Asia, while Tyrannosaurs lived in North America.
_Tyrannosaurus_ is plausible if you consider _Tarbosaurus_ to just be an Asian species of _Tyrannosaurus_… but even then, it'd be _T. bataar,_ not _T. rex._
There are excavated sites in Asia Minor, where the ancient Greeks found and reburied mammoth skeletons. These "giants" were not buried as elephants, but arranged in humanoid form. Remember also the cyclops stories from Homer. The "bones of the giants" comment may refer to mammoth bones.
The cavity on the elephant skull for the trunk to service is thought to have been interpreted as a singular eye, giving myths of cyclops on the Greek islands (where miniture elephant remains have been found)
@@thegingerwon2795 It is overwhelmingly more likely that the myth of the cyclops predates any finding of elephant skulls, and that the skulls were interpreted to fit the myth
Who knows though. Dinosaur fossils are incredibly rare but the roman empire was also large. It seems plausible that someone somewhere would have found some, and that it would then find its way to the emperor, so he might have had examples of both.
Dinosaur bones aren't something you just find lying around or buried in the soil tho, they're usually encased in solid rock and not easy to even recognize unless you know what you're looking for. Not impossible that people in ancient times may still have found some every now and then, but there's plenty of more recent (and easier to find) extinct megafauna that might explain all those stories about giant or dragon bones. Don't know why people always automatically assume dinosaurs when mammoths and the like are right there.
@@DrSpoon-iu4hs the Romans had significant mining operations, some digging several hundred feet deep or removing square kilometers of the surface. I don't see why they couldn't have. And none of the tools and materials used for handling fossils specifically vs general mining are particularly sophisticated. They had picks and brushes and chisels and plaster and all that stuff
Fascinating! This reminds me of your previous video about Porphyrios and his cetacean reign of terror during the Byzantine Empire. Who knows, perhaps Augustus got his whale bones from a whale that swam into the Mediterranean like Porphyrios
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I read that the Emperor Nero kept a pet moray eel in his “aquarium” (the pond in the central courtyard of a villa). It is said that he adorned this eel with ruby earrings. I assume it was a saltwater pond, since I don’t know of any freshwater morays. And no, I don’t know how you’d get earrings to stay on a moray eel (which doesan’t have external ears). If you know, please tell me.
The other issue is that most dinosaur fossils are broken up. While I am sure that fossils were encountered and probably even some fairly intact ones were found here and there, the majority are fragmented and their signifigance may have been lost on ancient people.
But think about it even beyond, there are alot of extinct marine reptiles (mosasaurs) and mammals (Basilosaurs). To the ancients, these would have seem not distinct enough to modern whales but old enough to be perceived to belong to a very ancient time
@@ThexVaultxTechthey said the same thing with platypus. They've had bones of it revealed in public for centuries and acknowledged it being just an amalgamation of different animals as a fake discovery but it took only in the recent millennia to accept it as a real animal. Who knows if there were also other fossils they taught was fake but actually a real deal and we can't confirm it today because they're extinct.
Just a quick note, the dinosaur you use in the thumbnail and video is a Tyrannosaurus, which Augustus certainly wouldn't've had bones of, since they're only found in North America. There are dinosaurian fossil-bearing rocks in Roman lands, most notably Jurassic beds from Portugal. The ancients did know about fossils. The ancient nautili are called ammonites because they were thought to be the horns of Ammon. However, given Sueton doesn't say these bones were petrified, I doubt they were dinosaur fossils.
Hole ego stroke, obviously it was t-Rex bones in the collection, you gotta entice people a little bit and t-Rex is the most recognizable dinosaur. You’re not like clever for saying “ummm acksually”
Interestingly enough, the oldest tyrannosauroids seem to have come from Europe, but it wasn’t until they migrated to Asia and North America that they reached the massive sizes they’re famous for.
While I won’t rule out whale bones, as that’s what they could possibly be. The Romans (and Greeks) collected fossils and put them in temples believing them to be the bones of monsters and heroes. It’s impossible to to tell what the bones were without seeing them, but I really can’t rule out dinosaurs, whales, mammoths or any other large vertebrate either extinct or contemporaneous
Another thing that makes the idea also less likely is that dinosaur fossils are relatively rare in the Mediterranean. Deposits like those of the western United States like the Hell Creek or Morrison formations that are rich in dinosaur dominant vertebrate fossils are unusual overall. The Romans wouldn’t have been finding such fossils on a regular basis if at all.
Define common, few people are actually going to find such fossils at all simply through random chance (which is how we would assume Augustus would have managed to acquire his bones), the relatively large number of dinosaur fossil sites in Europe are the result of extensive searching and collecting for roughly 200 years. From what I understand, the Romans were not scouring for fossil sites the way paleontologists have done.
@addish5022 wasn't there some little girl in 19th century Britain that basically spent her life doing just that? Pretty sure Extra Credits did an episode on her... Edit: Mary Anning
She didn’t find any dinosaurs (in the proper cladistic sense I’m defining it as) but other tetrapods from some fossil rich Jurassic aged rocks in that part of England. Most of them were plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs though she did find some fragmentary remains of a pterosaur at one point.
Yeah if Augustus had a full whale specimen's bones hung in his quarters that would damn well be the most impressive decor you could manifest in the ancient world outside of fossils. That's probably 30 feet or longer in case of Atlantic Whales which would be larger than anything in the Med or significantly larger than any Elephant the Romans would have been familiar with.
"belua" is that Latin word that is being translated as "Sea Monster", which can also mean, more frequently, "a beast, wild beast, monster". It does say they were large, but I'm curious where "Sea Monster" came from. The pertinent chapter is Suet. Aug. 72.3. Your translation of the paragraph isn't the best
Carcharodontosaurus is found in northern Africa is sometimes called the African T-Rex because of simliar size and appearance. Spinosaurus is also found in the same area
I can think of 2 other ancient animals that might fit the bill. One is perhaps the ancient whale fossils of Wadi al Hitan a mere 93 miles from Cairo. Another might have been the fossil remains of pygmy elephants from Cyprus. Regardless either contemporary whale bones or elephant remains from Carthage are the more likely source of the rumored bones.
Even back in ancient times it seems everyone was collecting stuff just like we do today...nothing much changes there. We're all fascinated by things we can't explain or catch our eyes and we wonder what the stories behind the objects are/were. There's a thought...a mash up of genres for the movies...Gladiator meets T-rex...Circus Jurassicus anyone?.
What was the roman word for whale ? Seems like the guy who saw them would say he had whale bones around his house, or was he trying to be fancy with sea giants ?
I'm sure you are right, Complete or near-complete dinosaur bones are very rarely found just lying around under the dirt or sand. The have to be painstakingly & expertly extracted from surrounding rock before they can be displayed. Ditto for ancient marine reptiles & pterosaurs. I guess the Romans could have carried out extractions, but it seems unlikely. Yep, if the Sea Monster Room was real, probably whales.
I think its more likely that the bones would have been ice age megafauna like the mammoth rather than dinosaur bones, mammoths use to be everywhere and are still occasionally dug up by accident by construction workers since the bones dont tend to be very deep. to someone who doesn't know any better the skull looks like it could have belongs to a cyclops with the large cavity for the trunk looking like an eye socket and the skeletons re-arranged in strange ways.
This IS interesting, but a newly discovered Roman whaling industry is not as interesting as dinosaur bones imo. Probably why I'm not anywhere near a real historian.
You think the Emperor of the known world would be impressed with whale bones 🙄 Dinosaur bones are the source of dragon mythology, they were rare but would fall out of cliff faces and still do
What do you think the Romans were fighting in the Battle of Bagradas River in 255 BC during the First Punic War? Did they really fight Dragon as described by Polybius or something he entirely made up?
The Roman author didn't call it "giant" bones, that had been the English translator. The Latin word used was "belua", which translates as wild beast or monster, and may be used to describe a whale. Watch the video.
First, does this creator have a degree in Archaeology or Ancient History? Or does he scoff at the idea you need that, when talking about the ancient world? I ask, as it is well known there are fossiles (in multiple locations) around Greece and its islands. These are mostly protected and are well known to science and the locals. The Locals have collected them for thousands of years. Some places are even known as 'places where bones come from the ground' (i.e. they are visible on the surface, due to erosion). Examples are Lesvos, Pikermi and Castoria. Other location might include Epidaurus ( famous for it's ammonites). But, due to common people enjoying looting, its best to keep the exact locations quiet/secret. But, with non professionals, this can lead to mistakes when creating video content about the past. As the 'internet' (google searches etc) may be missing key details. Peace.
I have my BA in history with a secondary focus in archaeology and classics. Working on getting into a PhD program at the moment I typically draw on academic sources and archaeological dig reports-in the case of this video I used a recently published report on Roman whaling sites/fisheries published in 2018, as per the video description
@@censusgary its true, its true. This one, appears to only be at the start of their Academic quest. Once they venture out, get some feet actually on the ground in Greece (etc). Then, the fun will begin
Yaa here the thing... not sure how the UA-camr missed this aspect... but there are 0 nonavian dinosaurs bones. Humans have literally never existed in a world of dinosaur bones. What remains we find are fossil impressions. Its fragile minerals that molecule by molecule over millions of years filled in the space left behind by decaying bone matter until what is left is all rock and no bone in the shape of the bone the rock slowly replaced. Basically if you tried some magical reanimation of the fossils to revert them to their previous form... you wouldn't have a fully articulated dinosaur skeleton... you would have a pile of sand and tiny rocks. No one made armor out of fossils even for decoration. They would simply crumble in the process. Now jewelry is another thing, fossil jewelry has been a thing forever. Especially if you count coral and amber which technically isnt a fossil but it is a petrified minerals in a way.
Augustus being such a nerd and stuffing his room with ancient weapons and monster-bones is somehow less surprising to me
First recorded instance of "dinosaur kid" in history.
I can imagine Julius Caesar coming into the room and saying “what’s with all your kid posters here when are you gonna grow up and do what other Roman boys are doing ?
He's literally me fr fr
It’s not a shock that they’d display cool bones and rocks, it’s something we do today
But it still is cool that they did it.
Yeh stuff just about everyone does as a child
lol as I look at some skulls I have feathers and rocks displayed in my room
It seems people have always done it. I’m no exception.
I literally have a tote of rocks I’ve collected. I’m a bit superstitious about disturbing bones though, so I don’t have many.
This made me think of when i visited Capri, what an amazing place. Whales are quite common in the sea between north western Italy and Corsica, so much that there is a whale sanctuary there, and huge sperm whales are often found to the north of Sicily, so the idea of whale bones is not far fetched. At the time of the dinosaurs there was a tropical sea in the region where today Italy is located, in fact marine fossils are often found in the Italian mountains, they even found several ichtiosaurus, the idea of Augustus having some of them is really fascinating.
I think another reason why these were not dinosaur bones is because dinosaur “bones” aren’t actually bones, they’re mineral deposits that have filled in the cavities left by actual bones once the bones have decayed.
Hence why they’re found within rock deposits and have to be painstakingly removed and then meticulously removed from the extraneous rock material the fossils are encased in. It’s not like you just go walking along and see a Tyrannosaur skull entirely removed from the rock material it was formed in.
Did they not have countless mines and constructions dug into the earth? Isnt it possible they would come across one? Or do you think the workers/slaves would just keep digging and not say anything?
Nah, while I dont think you are entirely wrong, "dragon" bones were sought out as medicine/magic. The Chinese have been doing it for over a thousand years. Its also a commonly held belief that things like "griffons" were actually fossil skulls they saw near the silk road. Many even believe it was protoceratops.
Not all fossils have to be painstakingly prepared to be visible and collectible. Preparation like that is only necessary if the rock is particularly hard. You can find field excavation videos of dinosaurs where much of the bones are revealed simply through some careful excavation with basic tools and brushwork, though I’m unsure if Roman slaves would have been that gentle.
And then you discover opalised fossils are a “thing”…
You do find exactly that in the Sahara. The “bones” get sandblasted out of the weaker rock.
Tyrannosaurus Rex fossils are only found in North America (specifically Canada and the United States in America). So, unlikely Romans would have "T-Rex" fossils.
Of america*
A megalosaurus or a mosasaur would be more likely
Trex are found all over the world though. They are just different species of trex
@@storm___ I think you’re thinking of tyrannosaurs, they were centralized into Asia and North America, but animals like Yutyrannus, Tarbosaurus, and others lived in China, Mongolia and east Asia, while Tyrannosaurs lived in North America.
_Tyrannosaurus_ is plausible if you consider _Tarbosaurus_ to just be an Asian species of _Tyrannosaurus_… but even then, it'd be _T. bataar,_ not _T. rex._
There are excavated sites in Asia Minor, where the ancient Greeks found and reburied mammoth skeletons. These "giants" were not buried as elephants, but arranged in humanoid form. Remember also the cyclops stories from Homer. The "bones of the giants" comment may refer to mammoth bones.
The cavity on the elephant skull for the trunk to service is thought to have been interpreted as a singular eye, giving myths of cyclops on the Greek islands (where miniture elephant remains have been found)
@@usergiodmsilva1983PT The burials I'm talking about were done between 800-1500BC.
@@thegingerwon2795 It is overwhelmingly more likely that the myth of the cyclops predates any finding of elephant skulls, and that the skulls were interpreted to fit the myth
I remember zoobooks mentioned this.
Who knows though. Dinosaur fossils are incredibly rare but the roman empire was also large. It seems plausible that someone somewhere would have found some, and that it would then find its way to the emperor, so he might have had examples of both.
Dinosaur bones aren't something you just find lying around or buried in the soil tho, they're usually encased in solid rock and not easy to even recognize unless you know what you're looking for. Not impossible that people in ancient times may still have found some every now and then, but there's plenty of more recent (and easier to find) extinct megafauna that might explain all those stories about giant or dragon bones. Don't know why people always automatically assume dinosaurs when mammoths and the like are right there.
Did they have the means to excavate it?
@@DrSpoon-iu4hs the Romans had significant mining operations, some digging several hundred feet deep or removing square kilometers of the surface. I don't see why they couldn't have. And none of the tools and materials used for handling fossils specifically vs general mining are particularly sophisticated. They had picks and brushes and chisels and plaster and all that stuff
Fascinating! This reminds me of your previous video about Porphyrios and his cetacean reign of terror during the Byzantine Empire. Who knows, perhaps Augustus got his whale bones from a whale that swam into the Mediterranean like Porphyrios
Usually, I don't comment under videos, but I want you to know that I really appreciate these videos of you. They are well done and as "scientific" as video essays on YT can be.
Thank you.
I love your snippets of history it helps to visualizer our past in deeper ways than just studying kings and wars! Well done as usual....
I read that the Emperor Nero kept a pet moray eel in his “aquarium” (the pond in the central courtyard of a villa). It is said that he adorned this eel with ruby earrings. I assume it was a saltwater pond, since I don’t know of any freshwater morays.
And no, I don’t know how you’d get earrings to stay on a moray eel (which doesan’t have external ears). If you know, please tell me.
most earrings have hooks ,duhh! Can you imagine how torturous that could be ?
In those days the eels had ears and the night had eyes. I think there's a song about it.
They were probably hooked into the flesh around its gill holes
Clip-ons
@ Clipped onto what?
I would bet on megafauna or even whale bones (there are lots in the egyptian desert)
The other issue is that most dinosaur fossils are broken up. While I am sure that fossils were encountered and probably even some fairly intact ones were found here and there, the majority are fragmented and their signifigance may have been lost on ancient people.
But think about it even beyond, there are alot of extinct marine reptiles (mosasaurs) and mammals (Basilosaurs). To the ancients, these would have seem not distinct enough to modern whales but old enough to be perceived to belong to a very ancient time
Uh, no, because if Romans had seen these things we would have recovered bones of them from that time period and place
@@ThexVaultxTechthey said the same thing with platypus. They've had bones of it revealed in public for centuries and acknowledged it being just an amalgamation of different animals as a fake discovery but it took only in the recent millennia to accept it as a real animal. Who knows if there were also other fossils they taught was fake but actually a real deal and we can't confirm it today because they're extinct.
@@ThexVaultxTechNo? Plenty of time for things to be lost and/or destroyed. I mean we lost the original Spinosaurus fossils in the 1940’s.
Man not even the whales were safe from Rome.
Just a quick note, the dinosaur you use in the thumbnail and video is a Tyrannosaurus, which Augustus certainly wouldn't've had bones of, since they're only found in North America. There are dinosaurian fossil-bearing rocks in Roman lands, most notably Jurassic beds from Portugal. The ancients did know about fossils. The ancient nautili are called ammonites because they were thought to be the horns of Ammon. However, given Sueton doesn't say these bones were petrified, I doubt they were dinosaur fossils.
It gets more clicks that way
Hole ego stroke, obviously it was t-Rex bones in the collection, you gotta entice people a little bit and t-Rex is the most recognizable dinosaur. You’re not like clever for saying “ummm acksually”
Interesting stuff as always my guy
tyrannosauroids were in Europe but not T-Rex
Interestingly enough, the oldest tyrannosauroids seem to have come from Europe, but it wasn’t until they migrated to Asia and North America that they reached the massive sizes they’re famous for.
We learn something every day. First time I've heard talk of Roman whaling. I'll stay clear of them thanks
This kind of vid is why I subscribe to this channel
This video is weirdely connected to my dissertetion i finished a week ago. Tnx suetonio
congratulations on finishing it!
@@zachjordan7608 thanks mate
While I won’t rule out whale bones, as that’s what they could possibly be. The Romans (and Greeks) collected fossils and put them in temples believing them to be the bones of monsters and heroes. It’s impossible to to tell what the bones were without seeing them, but I really can’t rule out dinosaurs, whales, mammoths or any other large vertebrate either extinct or contemporaneous
there is a theory that the myth of the cyclops came about because of mammoth bones
@ I have heard that too, and it seems very likely
Man, Augustus had great taste. I would also have created a sea monster collection had I been emperor.
That's dope, I want a sea creature room
Why was the fact that he had a sea monster room not more widely known
I would think more on the lines of sauropod leg bones and ribs rather than an intact skull.
Another thing that makes the idea also less likely is that dinosaur fossils are relatively rare in the Mediterranean. Deposits like those of the western United States like the Hell Creek or Morrison formations that are rich in dinosaur dominant vertebrate fossils are unusual overall. The Romans wouldn’t have been finding such fossils on a regular basis if at all.
Define common, few people are actually going to find such fossils at all simply through random chance (which is how we would assume Augustus would have managed to acquire his bones), the relatively large number of dinosaur fossil sites in Europe are the result of extensive searching and collecting for roughly 200 years. From what I understand, the Romans were not scouring for fossil sites the way paleontologists have done.
@addish5022 wasn't there some little girl in 19th century Britain that basically spent her life doing just that? Pretty sure Extra Credits did an episode on her...
Edit: Mary Anning
She didn’t find any dinosaurs (in the proper cladistic sense I’m defining it as) but other tetrapods from some fossil rich Jurassic aged rocks in that part of England. Most of them were plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs though she did find some fragmentary remains of a pterosaur at one point.
They are definitely fossil sites in the Roman world. But a T-Rex wouldn't be something you find but definitely a Pterasaur will be.
Yeah if Augustus had a full whale specimen's bones hung in his quarters that would damn well be the most impressive decor you could manifest in the ancient world outside of fossils. That's probably 30 feet or longer in case of Atlantic Whales which would be larger than anything in the Med or significantly larger than any Elephant the Romans would have been familiar with.
The word for whale in portuguese is "baleia", which comes from the latin word he used.
Ah. So thats where we get the word ‘baleen whale’ in english
whale whales
Why not all of the above
I too don’t need fancy stuff but like to decorate with bones, pine cones, rocks and old things. ♥️♥️
This is plausible but it dont exclude the dinosaur theory
I always think of Brian Blessed as Augustus in "I Claudius". 😊
Augustus went to a home decorating class and they said if you can't think of anything to put in a room just put bones
"belua" is that Latin word that is being translated as "Sea Monster", which can also mean, more frequently, "a beast, wild beast, monster". It does say they were large, but I'm curious where "Sea Monster" came from.
The pertinent chapter is Suet. Aug. 72.3.
Your translation of the paragraph isn't the best
Carcharodontosaurus is found in northern Africa is sometimes called the African T-Rex because of simliar size and appearance. Spinosaurus is also found in the same area
Fascinating!
Oh hell no that ain't more interesting than dino bones
I can think of 2 other ancient animals that might fit the bill. One is perhaps the ancient whale fossils of Wadi al Hitan a mere 93 miles from Cairo. Another might have been the fossil remains of pygmy elephants from Cyprus.
Regardless either contemporary whale bones or elephant remains from Carthage are the more likely source of the rumored bones.
Even back in ancient times it seems everyone was collecting stuff just like we do today...nothing much changes there. We're all fascinated by things we can't explain or catch our eyes and we wonder what the stories behind the objects are/were.
There's a thought...a mash up of genres for the movies...Gladiator meets T-rex...Circus Jurassicus anyone?.
What was the roman word for whale ? Seems like the guy who saw them would say he had whale bones around his house, or was he trying to be fancy with sea giants ?
I'm sure you are right, Complete or near-complete dinosaur bones are very rarely found just lying around under the dirt or sand. The have to be painstakingly & expertly extracted from surrounding rock before they can be displayed. Ditto for ancient marine reptiles & pterosaurs. I guess the Romans could have carried out extractions, but it seems unlikely. Yep, if the Sea Monster Room was real, probably whales.
Ever since this video dropped 6 days ago, my buddy Ishmael has never let me hear the end of it. Guy has a serious hard-on for whaling.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
You mean Dragon bones?
Interesting video! Thank you!
So in this particular instance
That's sad, this means we have been killing the most curious and gentle whale species for thousands not hundreds of years.
Fascinating to learn.
Don't tell me...
Romans already invented Jurassic Park ?... 🤔😏
That's actually more impressive, because it's a "monster" they actually *killed* and displayed the bones
Does weapons of heroes actually mean swords etc. or can that be giant bones used to bop ancient beasts?
Most fossils are crushed or flattened in stone- the recreations we see on display are plaster molds. What if they had mammoth bones?
I think its more likely that the bones would have been ice age megafauna like the mammoth rather than dinosaur bones, mammoths use to be everywhere and are still occasionally dug up by accident by construction workers since the bones dont tend to be very deep. to someone who doesn't know any better the skull looks like it could have belongs to a cyclops with the large cavity for the trunk looking like an eye socket and the skeletons re-arranged in strange ways.
Babe, wake up.
New Historian’s Craft just dropped
Babe sleeps alot
@ She works hard for the Mon-ey 🎵
I thought maybe mammoth bones, but whale bones makes more sense.
So it could have been aquatic prehistoric animal bones or fossils they thought were sea monsters but more likely huge whales
The OG dinosaur kid
Im just gonna imagine Augustus sittlng in his room with Mesosaurus skull :)
I have to respectfully disagree whale bones (if it is whale bones) are equally impressive
How am I just now finding out about the Augustan whale room?
The T-Rex didn't live in Europe, so they would never have bones of that dinosaur.
So in this particular instance.....
So, in this particular instance.
The room had 57 sculptures of his ding dong
Nebuchadnezzar had him beat … he had actual dinosaurs in Babylon
This IS interesting, but a newly discovered Roman whaling industry is not as interesting as dinosaur bones imo. Probably why I'm not anywhere near a real historian.
You think the Emperor of the known world would be impressed with whale bones 🙄 Dinosaur bones are the source of dragon mythology, they were rare but would fall out of cliff faces and still do
Dragons in mythology are symbolic, they are symbolic of things like Englightenment like Kudalini or negative feelings like Nithogr
doubt they found dinosaur bones because they are buried very deep
Might have been mosasaurus or ichthyosaur.
Or it could be the bones of a whale.
OMG what a party pooper!
Seems pretty cool, but I'd rather hear more about that baby hanging on his robes (2:14) .... what is that about?
Definitely a dragon.
If St. George killed one, its not a stretch that Augustus woud have had the bones.
Godzilla Bones...trust me.
(Godzilla: King of the Monsters End Credits)
What do you think the Romans were fighting in the Battle of Bagradas River in 255 BC during the First Punic War? Did they really fight Dragon as described by Polybius or something he entirely made up?
Just a big snake or reptile. In Spanish we call dragons to some reptiles
Maybe elephants.
Cool.
It doesn't seem likely that romans would mistake a whale for a giant.
I take it we are going to side step that issue.
Fine.
Are you one of those nephilim conspiracy theorists or something?
The Roman author didn't call it "giant" bones, that had been the English translator. The Latin word used was "belua", which translates as wild beast or monster, and may be used to describe a whale. Watch the video.
and later they did kill that purple whale
I don’t know.
🚬🗿👍
Firstinating!
First, does this creator have a degree in Archaeology or Ancient History? Or does he scoff at the idea you need that, when talking about the ancient world?
I ask, as it is well known there are fossiles (in multiple locations) around Greece and its islands. These are mostly protected and
are well known to science and the locals. The Locals have collected them for thousands of years.
Some places are even known as 'places where bones come from the ground' (i.e. they are visible on the surface, due to erosion).
Examples are Lesvos, Pikermi and Castoria. Other location might include Epidaurus ( famous for it's ammonites).
But, due to common people enjoying looting, its best to keep the exact locations quiet/secret.
But, with non professionals, this can lead to mistakes when creating video content about the past.
As the 'internet' (google searches etc) may be missing key details.
Peace.
I have my BA in history with a secondary focus in archaeology and classics. Working on getting into a PhD program at the moment
I typically draw on academic sources and archaeological dig reports-in the case of this video I used a recently published report on Roman whaling sites/fisheries published in 2018, as per the video description
It’s quaint that you think only non-professionals make serious mistakes.
@@censusgary its true, its true. This one, appears to only be at the start of their Academic quest. Once they venture out, get some feet actually on the ground in Greece (etc). Then, the fun will begin
Villa is pronounced, "vee-yah,' not, 'vill-uh'. .
How the fudge could a Roman emperor get a tyrannosaur? I’m gathering you’re not a paleontologist.
Tbf there were Asian tyrannosaurids, they weren’t just in America. Though, only in East Asia.
@@Adsper2000 In that case, it would have been a really rare thing in Europe, worthy as a gift for an emperor.
Abelisauridae was discovered in Morocco, not exactly far from the roman empire.
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How gangster to have a room called, the weapons of heroes and the bones of giants. So cool. That's what I would do if I was rich lol
Yaa here the thing... not sure how the UA-camr missed this aspect... but there are 0 nonavian dinosaurs bones. Humans have literally never existed in a world of dinosaur bones.
What remains we find are fossil impressions. Its fragile minerals that molecule by molecule over millions of years filled in the space left behind by decaying bone matter until what is left is all rock and no bone in the shape of the bone the rock slowly replaced.
Basically if you tried some magical reanimation of the fossils to revert them to their previous form... you wouldn't have a fully articulated dinosaur skeleton... you would have a pile of sand and tiny rocks.
No one made armor out of fossils even for decoration. They would simply crumble in the process.
Now jewelry is another thing, fossil jewelry has been a thing forever. Especially if you count coral and amber which technically isnt a fossil but it is a petrified minerals in a way.
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