Modern engines with GDI, plastics, electronics = more 💩to break. There's beauty in simplicity. The bean-counter engineering (build-em cheap, sell them at a king's ransom) rampant throughout the automotive industry has led to more efficient but less durable vehicles.
Personally I don't think old cars are that great either.... I PERSONALLY think cars peaked in like the late 90s-2000s. That being said IMO all cars are far from "perfect". Even "simple" cars are still so complex that the average person just can't maintain them for long periods of time. You could have an amazing engine, but a bad transmission, you could have an amazing engine and transmission but the interior falls apart, the climate control falls apart, constant starter issues, constant electronic issues. If you can't start the car it doesn't matter how good the engine is, or the transmission. If the vehicle isn't safe to drive it doesn't matter. There are so many critical components to a vehicle beyond the engine, and auto manufacturers have COMPLETE control. They can change things faster than people can keep up, and most 3rd party parts nowdays are COMPLETE TRASH. So when your old car eventually needs new parts are you gonna just fabricate all your own parts yourself? Some dudes can do that if they have a shop, most people can't. Cars are always gonna be a scam.
That's called confirmation bias. You believe something and then go and find evidence that supports your beliefs. On the contrary, you should first look at all the evidence and then formulate your beliefs ie, there's many examples of gdi engines going well past 200k miles with no issues. To me it looks like the civic owner used the wring type of gas, bc yes with gdi you gotta use premium
@@mattjingles5758 - Toyota, Ford, and Mazda I think has engines that use both PI and GDI, but you're right the addition of PI keeps the valves clean because I've seen a Toyota with GDI + PI inspected at 80k miles and valves as clean as a whistle.
just what I did rather then pay $95 k for a piece of plastic bill gates computer crap all over them, and a dozen modules I restored my 91 GMC that still runs on propane and gasoline , you couldn't pry that truck out of my cold dead hands.
1990-1999 had some of the best built trucks regardless of brand. Even if you have to replace the transmission on a Dodge 6 times, it's still cheaper than driving something new.
They were good, but they don't last forever. The cost of repairs to keep an old car running will be more than the value of the car. I've run into that problem with my 18-year-old vehicle. Fix one thing and another issue will soon come along.
@@anthonynastasi4098 It's not cost effective since the cost of repairs are more than the car is worth. I loved that car, but it's time to move on. I just need a reliable car that will get me from A to B and have the capacity to carry the odd large package. Which car do you recommend? I'm thinking of buying a non-hybrid RAV4 XLE.
So better fuel efficiency equals more maintenance, so how is that efficient if it needs more repairs? Only politicians receiving cash gifts from lobbyists can answer that question.
@@Jordan__Sloan planned obselecence. Can't have things last too long, new car salesmen need jobs. Also, politicians want more 1984 surveillance tech in all cars, and need the less monitored cars to go extinct.
Liquid fuel is not flammable, that’s why pressurizing it to 2500 psi like a diesel, in the k24 Honda is more fuel efficient . Hope they figure it out because it’s great on paper
Here's what I would tell you is we as a people need to write our legislators as a large group saying we don't want this crap but unfortunately most of us are too lazy to do that I contact all my local politicians and federal and state to do it I can but I can only do so much so I suggest everyone else do the same or not
5:55 The piston rings getting gunked up is not brought up enough and in my opinion one of the biggest with gdi’s in genral but especially the Kias and Hyundais with the oil consumption issues. The oil smells like it’s half gas.
If oil dilution is literally that bad... the problem is with poor design and bad engineering. Still puzzles me that people keep buying Korean cars when they can get a proper car from Toyota or Honda for about the same price. I'd rather own a Camry with 100,000 miles than any new Hyundai or Kia.
You should look into better oil. I have a gdi engine @93k miles now and do 15k mile oil changes. My fuel dilution is less than .5% @17k mile on 10w-30 on a Hyundai 2.0l gn4h(gdi). I use Amsoil Signature Series and run top tier gas in my vehicle. The numbers show really well on my engine. I recommend you do some more research to see what you can do to improve your gdi engine life.
2011 was the last year for the Non-GDI Non-CVT Honda CRV. My mother has one, and it is amazing how little she has spent on repair over the 186,000 miles on it.
The root cause is the egr system. Direct injection by itself is superior. The carbon comes from the exhaust gas that is pumped backed into the air intake to be reburned, to theoretically reduce emissions.
If running a GDI engine, one must run top shelf motor oil and high quality fuel to mitigate the saturation of the blow by that is pulled into the intake via the EGR system and how many deposits end up coking up on the back of the intake valves and intake ports. I recommend Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Synthetic motor oil and Chevron brand fuel.
@@Cfchild1 All that will do is slow it down a bit, but you are still gonna get significant carbon build up on the back of the valves compared to port injection....
Toyota still sold a cast iron block naturally aspirated port injection bullet proof 4 cylinder until at least 2023. I bought one because I knew the simple engines would disappear. It’s the legendary 2tr-fe. It came with my 2022 Tacoma that happens to have a very simple 6 speed transmission.
You're a well-informed buyer and obviously did your homework before putting your money down. Most people I know, choose a new car because they liked the color llol
Our family stoped buying new 5 years ago. We source good examples of 10 - 15 year of Toyota or Honda and just do the maintenance. This way we buy vehicles that are a known quantity and not going to generate bankrupting bills. We used to be dealers - we are well aware of the horrific problems many makes came with.
I bought a turbo GDI vehicle 11 years ago. Still runs fine, oil changes are the most maintenance it needs. Original injectors, original turbo, the whole vehicle works fine.
I avoided honda when getting a new vehicle in '19 because they were gdi. Got a '19 rav4 instead. They use both port and GDI. Gunked valves aren't really an issue.
I drive a 2018 Ford focus ST with a 2 L GDI engine love it absolutely no problems super easy to clean the intake valves. I do a manual cleaning once a year as part of my yearly maintenance. My wife drives a 2012 Volkswagen with a 2 L GTI engine, no problem. Same clean the intake valves once every three years engines been flawless so far.
In general I am not a fan of direct injection because of the carbon issues. A solution is doubling the injectors. Adding injectors back into the intake manifold runners. You could run one set at lower rpm and switch to direct injection at higher rpm for example. If tuned properly, it wont actually use more fuel, it just would adjust where fuel comes in. Audi does it with their new 5 cylinder models.
ill stick with my 2007 3rd gen 3500 ram, everything these days is experimental garbage. I get 22 mpg on the highway and it isn't going to blow up at 60000 miles.
I have turn the tides. I have had cvt transmissions and tons of GDI and it comes down to maintenance. People complain because they suck. They never educate their selves. I have taken a cvt nissan trans to 268k Miles just 15k trans flushes. Proved that one wrong. GDI engines I have taken over 200k not one issue basic maintenance and weekly inspections. People say that is overkill. Those people are just lazy!!
@HipHopBeatSource lazy lazy lazy. Too many Americans have went soft. So sad to watch. I can bet 1 out of 10 americans have actually rebuilt a motor. Lazy sir!!!
When you are old enough to have seen quality and durability you can quickly identify garbage designs and poor quality and over complexity just for the sake of keeping a poor design alive. All this complexity adds way more cost and pollution to the earth , if indeed it was a goal to pollute less, or maybe it was just to fill landfills and empty your wallet, just sayin.
The government forces makers to do dumb crap to jump through their EPA hoops. The EPA is also partially responsible for lifetime tranny fluid and 5-10K mile oil changes. Auto makers claim we are producing less pollutants simply by telling people not to replace car fluids as often or ever. This is one of the BEST explanations of the downfalls of GDI systems out there. Never buy a turbo GDI car. Anthony hits a homerun on this one!😊😊😊
i tell you its a government conspiracy..i also have noticed that the sun only rises in the east and sets in the west..i really think the republican party should look into this... smells of a soro's conspiracy going on here...hey republicans hold some congressional hearing on this,, get to the bottom of this ' only rises in the east ' conspiracy
Nobody is forcing GDI. That’s why many manufacturers are moving to multi port. Wtf do you want a low mpg car? It’s 2024 we should be getting 100 mpg from a drop of fuel. Car manufacturers need to do better.
The auto industry introduced an engine design that requires a massive amount of maintenance to the general public that's pretty much retarded when it comes to maintaining their car. So....what could go wrong? 😂
Toyota didn’t do their customers any favors with owner maintenance either. Starting about 2010 they began pushing the 10K oil changes(makes me so 😡). They also began issuing owners service schedules that went out to 120K miles with no recommendation for both coolant and transmission service. A lot of people just assumed that the new fluids were so good you never had to change them.
@@doctorcountersteer6580 I fought these changes in my mind for a long time. Ultimately, since I didn’t have the knowledge resources we have today, I figured the people who made these new fluids and lubricants know better than me. I mean, what the heck did I know about oil chemistry and tribology back then? I should have went with my gut feeling when they started pushing that stuff. Thankfully I only bit on the ~5K oil change. If I’d done the 10K+ I’m pretty sure the rig I’m driving today would have been done already.
@@a3300000 I really dislike governmental regulations but think about all the energy and unnecessary work that could be saved if it wasn’t this way. It’s too bad the automotive industry is this way.
ANYBODY CAN CLEARLY SEE!!!! THAT THE "POWERS THAT BE" ARE INTENTIONALLY WANTING THE PEOPLE TO HATE OWNING A CAR. THIS IS NOT BY MISTAKE! NO!! THIS IS INTENTIONAL.
When i bought my wife a Hyundai Elantra in 2019. I made sure to get the port injected engine. I refuse to buy any car with GDI of any kind. To many failure points and expensive parts. Her Hhyundai is a 2017 ( bought in 2019 off showroom floor-unsold model with every option-heavily discounted) Elantra Limited with the Atkinson design and 6 speed auto. No CVT crap either for me. Having to walnut blast carbon buildup of internal engine parts is just plain dumb and doesnt justify the miniscule mpg gain short term before the carbon buildup kills efficiency. DESIGNED to fail is the new business model thats getting legacy auto fewer sales overall. THe ignorant public is the only reason GDI even exists. No informed person would ever buy one.
The idea that the Honda has no inline fuel filter is insane. Wow. If you have turbo direct injection: change the oil 3000 mi. religiously, with full synthetic SP rated oil, run premium fuel with a fuel additive (techron for example) Have your intake ports & injectors cleaned every ~20k miles. On cold start-up, let the engine warm up a bit before driving; don't short-trip your car -- always get the engine to operating temp on your trips Don't drive like grandma, open her up & Italian tune-up once a week at least. Inspect & maintain your PCV system diligently.
“A higher-performance capable engine should receive more attention.” Should be understood especially by those who fall under “I don’t care how it works, as long as it works” category. Honda actually did good with this design, in my opinion, with designing the fuel injectors to spray at least the valve seats and as much of the rest that would enter the chamber. I digress, engineers are the backseat drivers nowadays for the accountants at the wheel.
The intake get crusted because wire are not airgapped dc or ac . Espacially big wire . The exaust sensors can not ground on the exaust . The ecm ground wire is there for that
Have a 2020 Veloster N performance package with a 2.0 liter GDI and have had no issues other than a HPFP replacement. Currently have 60,000 miles with perfect maintenance and beat the crap out of it. Only mods are Injen CAI. I've had Honda's and Toyotas and BOTH had more issues than my current car. The issue with GDI cars is YOU MUST KEEP UP WITH EARLY MAINTENANCE INTERVALS 💯 USE TOP TIER GAS ONLY. EVERY 30,000 miles, get a BG 3 stage cleaning done. It's about $200 but worth it. I already knew what was getting into with a GDI turbo when I bought it but honestly, I haven't spent a penny out of pocket except for BG treatment. Just my personal experience so far with GDI.
I think about how the VW Golf GTI and Jetta GLI were the first popular common cars to get it in the USA. People learned quickly that GDI had a set of problems. However, Honda added their own problems when they went T-GDI. I think about how the L15 was designed from day one to be a high fuel economy NA engine, so it would be just fine with a huge open deck and tiny bearings. A proper turbo engine has extra material all over the place when compared to the NA variant, or the NA variant always had lots of extra material. At least the VW TGDI had a chunky iron block and big crank bearnings. People might not want a non-GDI engine. However, just don't get a non-GDI engine is a bit like saying "Get an engine with no smog devices."
...concur, a properly designed turbo engine has several features not present on non-turbo motors. A dedicated separate oil filter, inline to the turbo is one of them, 4-bolt main bearings is another. If it lacks these things, it's just a normally aspirated engine with a turbo slapped on as an afterthought.
Pretty much everything is GDI and turbo nowadays. Maintenance is key for any engine. That Honda engine is a garbage design however. I work at Toyota and it amazes me how ignorant people are about basic maintenance on their cars.
Your front desk reps push the 10,000 mile oil changes. I came in at 5000 for a toyota care oil change and they said they only do that at 10,000 miles. Ridiculous. I did my own change at 1000 and 5000. Its a lease but if I may want to buy it out it. Plus it screws over future used car buyers
They push the 10,000 mile oil changes for sure. And they won’t tell you that when you look at Toyota’s fine print in the manual, hardly anyone meets the driving condition criteria for the 10k mile change interval
It’s hard to believe that Honda and Toyota are going backwards on quality. Are these engines designed mostly for saving money for the industry, when the best reason before buying a car is the hopes it will last a long time
wrong, It's the socialistic government forcing these unreasonable emission and mileage goals. The worst is around the corner. Some of the things in the design phase will blow your mind and your wallet.
For the average consumer I agree DI engines are no good. From a performance aspect though it’s great technology. What we need are more automakers doing what Ford does and having DI engines that also have auxiliary port injection. I personally don’t mind the setup of a DI engine except for the fuel system. I’m someone who always modifies vehicles and the cam driven fuel pumps are a restriction on almost everything I’ve built in the last 10 years. Other than that I enjoy DI from a performance standpoint because it allows more compression to be run with more boost and increased timing which in turn = more power for a given setup for each pound of boost. It’s not hard to deal with keeping valves and everything clean because I’m OCD about maintenance anyway. For the lady driving her Honda CRV to work everyday though and just taking it to the dealer every 10k for an oil change DI is a nightmare though which is unfortunate because almost all popular vehicles are GDI these days.
Hi Anthony, you should probably try a Berryman’s Chemtool piston soak on this engine. Audi 1.8 liters are bad for sticking up the low oil friction ring. Walnut blast or baking soda blast the back the intake valves. I would recommend Valvoline Restore and Protect at 1,000 mile intervals for the first four oil services to clean it out and then every 5,000 subsequently with the Valvoline RP to keep it clean. Hope this helps.
As such all the new garbage cars should then be 1/5th of the cost they are. If EPA mandates unreliability, the opposite of longevity and sustainability, then the government mandate should include an automatic $30K rebate with each new vehicle purchased. The EPA is not just a failure, it is an abandonment of sensibleness, wisdom and everything that is holy as well as green to the planet we all share and inhabit. There must be no engineer and no mechanic left these days at the EPA.
Regular maintenance and adding a catch can on the PCV system and 140,000 trouble free mile on a 2019 Kia shortage ! Why the manufacturers don’t have catch can on direct injection engines from the factory.
They just required more maintenance. You should be changing your oil more often and use a good quality oil that has a low evaporation rate which most owners do not. Also adding a catchcan will slow down carbon/varnish buildup on the intake valve.
just what I did rather then pay $95 k for a piece of plastic bill gates computer crap all over them, and a dozen modules I restored my 91 GMC that still runs on propane and gasoline , you couldn't pry that truck out of my cold dead hands.
Turbo GDI is race engine tech that is in wrong domestic auto application. Power, performance remains marketing gag. Race engines only have design life to finish one race, then rebuilt or scrapped. As video explains, GDI is needless high pressure complexity.. It's fire hazard if fittings leak and spray high pressure fuel over hot engine.. High pressure pump loads timing chain more, likely causing stretching. GDI can cause oil dilution.
Some manufacturers have implemented direct injection with mpi recently to address carbon build up on valves, couple that with regular maintenance it should reduce reliability issues. Unfortunately to many people follow the 15000km oil change intervals recommend by the manufacturer. Its a vicious cycle unfortunately to line pockets with cash especially once owner is out of warranty.
My current cars are 2013 Prius and Mustang. No GDI The Prius replacement will probably have the Camry hybrid drive train in a Crown or SUV. No turbos. No GDI without port injection. No sleazy mechanical CVT. No belts (accessory or timing). No start/stop system. No torque converter 11 speed automatic. No torque converter. No 12 V starter or alternator. Etc. Electric car goodness without the electric car drawbacks.
correction,the gdi pump in the tank is a lift pump,also thats why toyota has got a twin EFI,eg has the manafold injector as well as the gdi in their 2.5 motors they dont seem to have as many problems,also you could put a catch can on the pcv pipe,but your 100% right they are garbage and the poor customer is thinking they buying japanese they buying good quality,but they buying rubbish
I own a K24W1 power train and let me tell you, by 2000 ish miles the oil is already dirty as heck and diluted with oil. So the most I got is 3000 with the intervals but I have noticed how counter productive that is
My 11 yr old Turbo GDI runs fine. I do change the oil though. I have no signs of crap on the valves, but I have wondered about adding something like a catch can, with a solvent in the can, to evaporate and be drawn in the PCV circuit, on to the intake valves to keep them clean. Any thoughts?
Just a note: It hasn't gone without it's trials and tribulations. It has been run on Castrol Euro Car 5W-30 since day one with PCV valve changes every 50K and timing chain tensioner every 100K. I have used this oil ever since I got my 2008 Toyota Camry (380K) that was an oil burner (low tension rings). Neither vehicle uses oil between 5K OCI or suffers MPG loss.
The worst one is the 2021 vw tiguan the oil light came on with 3800 miles and it's been eating oil from day 1 , the dealer say it's normal , I've counted 8 vvt solenoid on the head not including cam sensors. And it's a 4 cylinder
It also seems like many are running engine oil with the wrong additive package. DI engines should be using a low calcium oil. Supposedly this prevents low speed pre-ignition.
On the BMW seven series cars they have two fuel pumps under the hood which of course go bad for the same reasons you mentioned here and they are over $6000 for the pair. If that ever happens on an older seven series it mechanically totals out the car.
I had excessive blowby in a 2018 Opel Insignia i had, and when using recommended 0-20 oil it was consuming alot of oil.. I swapped it out with a 2013 port injected Opel Mokka. No oil consumption, no notisable blowby and finally... less fuel consumption. The Mokka being 50 kg lighter, but 2 dl less fuel consumption (5dl in Mokka and 7 dl in Insignia) per 10km than the Insignia cant be just because of the 50 kilos.. So where are the positive sides of gdi? I dont think there are any.
The Honda 2.0 liter K20 C2 non/turbo is an old school port injection reliable engine. Unfortunately, Honda decided that 2024 is the last year it will be produced. It will be replaced with a direct injection, non turbo engine for 2025 (will also come with a 2.0/Hybrid system ).
Can we shoot solvents like Berryman B12 in the intake after the Mass Air Flow sensor? Will that clean the intake and valves? If we look at the total energy and waste that is a result of Direct Injection, with extra maintenance, engines and cars that have shorter useful service lives, is this less than the older style port fuel injection? The government would need to spend a $100,000,000 on a grant to figure this out after 10 years.
I have an 18 Silverado 5.3 gdi and oil changes no more than 4000 and so far almost 120k trouble free miles, no oil consumption and excellent mpg for its class
Toyotas fix for this was to put in port injectors too.. lol. So their GDI has dual injectors for each cylinder.. because EPA likes that efficiency. Lol..
I feel so disappointed and also feel like manufacture's and government regulations are trying to rob me when i think about cars built before say roughly around 2005 compared to vehicles they are pushing on people today. Like WTF why change a good thing and complicate something that is functional, simple and reliable. Thats why im a old car guy now.
Modern engines with GDI, plastics, electronics = more 💩to break. There's beauty in simplicity. The bean-counter engineering (build-em cheap, sell them at a king's ransom) rampant throughout the automotive industry has led to more efficient but less durable vehicles.
I think about how many people would happily pay more to get metal auto parts, but almost nobody will build cars that way.
@@skylinefever I miss my 1992 Nissan 240SX. Cast Iron Block, Port fuel injection, DOHC. The cars tend to die due to people racing them and crasshing.
@@MavHunter20XXi still have my 93 sentra ser
@@JohnDoe-ih6mj must run like a top. Still able to get parts for it?
Personally I don't think old cars are that great either....
I PERSONALLY think cars peaked in like the late 90s-2000s. That being said IMO all cars are far from "perfect". Even "simple" cars are still so complex that the average person just can't maintain them for long periods of time. You could have an amazing engine, but a bad transmission, you could have an amazing engine and transmission but the interior falls apart, the climate control falls apart, constant starter issues, constant electronic issues.
If you can't start the car it doesn't matter how good the engine is, or the transmission. If the vehicle isn't safe to drive it doesn't matter.
There are so many critical components to a vehicle beyond the engine, and auto manufacturers have COMPLETE control. They can change things faster than people can keep up, and most 3rd party parts nowdays are COMPLETE TRASH. So when your old car eventually needs new parts are you gonna just fabricate all your own parts yourself? Some dudes can do that if they have a shop, most people can't.
Cars are always gonna be a scam.
As owner of 99 Civic, I love hearing these videos. Engine issues is last thing I worry about.
That's called confirmation bias. You believe something and then go and find evidence that supports your beliefs. On the contrary, you should first look at all the evidence and then formulate your beliefs ie, there's many examples of gdi engines going well past 200k miles with no issues. To me it looks like the civic owner used the wring type of gas, bc yes with gdi you gotta use premium
Try finding a non-GDI engine these days.
The advice is like going back decades and saying "Buy a non-smog device engine."
Toyota has tons of port injection vehicles. 😂
@@mattjingles5758 - Toyota, Ford, and Mazda I think has engines that use both PI and GDI, but you're right the addition of PI keeps the valves clean because I've seen a Toyota with GDI + PI inspected at 80k miles and valves as clean as a whistle.
Buying a non smog engine is actually solid advice 🤷
@@crazy4honda Sure, now how many people can actually get one at an affordable cost?
I got rid of my new truck and rebuilt My 97 and it runs great.
just what I did rather then pay $95 k for a piece of plastic bill gates computer crap all over them, and a dozen modules I restored my 91 GMC that still runs on propane and gasoline , you couldn't pry that truck out of my cold dead hands.
1990-1999 had some of the best built trucks regardless of brand.
Even if you have to replace the transmission on a Dodge 6 times, it's still cheaper than driving something new.
…”it’s not like your old Honda that was great you shoulda kept it”lol had me lmao
@@4Runner21 I had 1991 crx hf get vehicle
They were good, but they don't last forever. The cost of repairs to keep an old car running will be more than the value of the car. I've run into that problem with my 18-year-old vehicle. Fix one thing and another issue will soon come along.
@theotheleo6830 u have to restore the old vehicles not just fix
@@anthonynastasi4098 It's not cost effective since the cost of repairs are more than the car is worth. I loved that car, but it's time to move on. I just need a reliable car that will get me from A to B and have the capacity to carry the odd large package. Which car do you recommend? I'm thinking of buying a non-hybrid RAV4 XLE.
@@theotheleo6830 "the cost of repairs are more than the car is worth" But far, far cheaper than forking out for a new car...
You forgot oil dilution in the 1.5 engine needs oil change every 5000 miles
Every engine needs an oil change at least every 5000 miles.
So better fuel efficiency equals more maintenance, so how is that efficient if it needs more repairs? Only politicians receiving cash gifts from lobbyists can answer that question.
@@Jordan__Sloan planned obselecence. Can't have things last too long, new car salesmen need jobs.
Also, politicians want more 1984 surveillance tech in all cars, and need the less monitored cars to go extinct.
Liquid fuel is not flammable, that’s why pressurizing it to 2500 psi like a diesel, in the k24 Honda is more fuel efficient . Hope they figure it out because it’s great on paper
You make a valid point, but for sure this has more to do with 'environmentalism' which is inherently disconnected from reality.
Here's what I would tell you is we as a people need to write our legislators as a large group saying we don't want this crap but unfortunately most of us are too lazy to do that I contact all my local politicians and federal and state to do it I can but I can only do so much so I suggest everyone else do the same or not
@@supertec2023 time for writing has passed 😡🤘
I'll run my 2001 mercury grandmarquis(211k) until it's dead!
dude that 🤣😂merc may out live you there very long lasting .
Ha....just saw a 97-98 model cruising down the highway.....I did take notice of it and was jealous!!!
I've had two Panthers with over 300k. They would have lasted longer if they didn't rot out on me!
@@thetinpin old panthers and Lincon's you just cant beat them .
5:55 The piston rings getting gunked up is not brought up enough and in my opinion one of the biggest with gdi’s in genral but especially the Kias and Hyundais with the oil consumption issues. The oil smells like it’s half gas.
If oil dilution is literally that bad... the problem is with poor design and bad engineering. Still puzzles me that people keep buying Korean cars when they can get a proper car from Toyota or Honda for about the same price. I'd rather own a Camry with 100,000 miles than any new Hyundai or Kia.
Kia/Hyundai are junk to begin with. Horrific engineering and ultra cheap parts
You should look into better oil. I have a gdi engine @93k miles now and do 15k mile oil changes. My fuel dilution is less than .5% @17k mile on 10w-30 on a Hyundai 2.0l gn4h(gdi). I use Amsoil Signature Series and run top tier gas in my vehicle. The numbers show really well on my engine. I recommend you do some more research to see what you can do to improve your gdi engine life.
Alexanderguniker666 baloney agree about oil consumption
But gas in the oil? Not.
@@stevenweiss2148 Gdi
So don't buy anything newer than 2005...
Probably your best bet, but my 2010 Accord K24 been pretty rock solid for 240k miles
2011 was the last year for the Non-GDI Non-CVT Honda CRV. My mother has one, and it is amazing how little she has spent on repair over the 186,000 miles on it.
@@skylinefever
I have a 2013 CRV that isn't GDI & it has a 5 spd automatic.
I believe 2015 was the first year for CVT & GDI was 2017.
You don’t need
To go back THAT far lol. 2016 and
Newer are where the real problems are at and the commonplace use of Fuel direct injection
I have a 2013 port injected.
The root cause is the egr system. Direct injection by itself is superior. The carbon comes from the exhaust gas that is pumped backed into the air intake to be reburned, to theoretically reduce emissions.
The intake valves don't get cleaned by the gas/air mixture in Direct Injection. gdi below valves.
If running a GDI engine, one must run top shelf motor oil and high quality fuel to mitigate the saturation of the blow by that is pulled into the intake via the EGR system and how many deposits end up coking up on the back of the intake valves and intake ports. I recommend Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Synthetic motor oil and Chevron brand fuel.
@@garydiane1577 doesn't matter, dgi doesn't exist by itself. Pi ing for something that can't be does nobody any good.
@@Cfchild1 All that will do is slow it down a bit, but you are still gonna get significant carbon build up on the back of the valves compared to port injection....
Toyota still sold a cast iron block naturally aspirated port injection bullet proof 4 cylinder until at least 2023. I bought one because I knew the simple engines would disappear. It’s the legendary 2tr-fe.
It came with my 2022 Tacoma that happens to have a very simple 6 speed transmission.
You're a well-informed buyer and obviously did your homework before putting your money down. Most people I know, choose a new car because they liked the color llol
Our family stoped buying new 5 years ago. We source good examples of 10 - 15 year of Toyota or Honda and just do the maintenance. This way we buy vehicles that are a known quantity and not going to generate bankrupting bills. We used to be dealers - we are well aware of the horrific problems many makes came with.
I believe motors that have a combination of Direct Injection and Port Injection performance better as they don't have the carbon build up.
Agreed
Toyota uses the two systems combined in their newer engines.
Never buy a turbo gas engine.
Dumbest comment today 👍🏼
@@100pyatt
Really?
13 votes up to your 0.
Anything else?
*Modern turbo gas engine. Really anymore, just build what you want for the same price as new.
I bought a turbo GDI vehicle 11 years ago. Still runs fine, oil changes are the most maintenance it needs. Original injectors, original turbo, the whole vehicle works fine.
@@drewthompson7457
What make & model & how many miles on it?
I avoided honda when getting a new vehicle in '19 because they were gdi.
Got a '19 rav4 instead. They use both port and GDI. Gunked valves aren't really an issue.
I drive a 2018 Ford focus ST with a 2 L GDI engine love it absolutely no problems super easy to clean the intake valves. I do a manual cleaning once a year as part of my yearly maintenance. My wife drives a 2012 Volkswagen with a 2 L GTI engine, no problem. Same clean the intake valves once every three years engines been flawless so far.
In general I am not a fan of direct injection because of the carbon issues. A solution is doubling the injectors. Adding injectors back into the intake manifold runners. You could run one set at lower rpm and switch to direct injection at higher rpm for example. If tuned properly, it wont actually use more fuel, it just would adjust where fuel comes in. Audi does it with their new 5 cylinder models.
ill stick with my 2007 3rd gen 3500 ram, everything these days is experimental garbage. I get 22 mpg on the highway and it isn't going to blow up at 60000 miles.
Stop moving the camera I’m getting seasick Jesus
Also, show the engines. Not your face...
The 2.0 4 cylinder that can still be had in the civic is good at least doesn’t have a turbo
I have turn the tides. I have had cvt transmissions and tons of GDI and it comes down to maintenance. People complain because they suck. They never educate their selves. I have taken a cvt nissan trans to 268k Miles just 15k trans flushes. Proved that one wrong. GDI engines I have taken over 200k not one issue basic maintenance and weekly inspections. People say that is overkill. Those people are just lazy!!
"weekly inspections" you can keep that BS
@HipHopBeatSource lazy!!! Exactly what I was saying.
@@chadjohnson7544 Impracticable would be a better way to explain it than lazy. There are performance vehicles that don't require weekly inspections.
@HipHopBeatSource lazy lazy lazy. Too many Americans have went soft. So sad to watch. I can bet 1 out of 10 americans have actually rebuilt a motor. Lazy sir!!!
When you are old enough to have seen quality and durability you can quickly identify garbage designs and poor quality and over complexity just for the sake of keeping a poor design alive. All this complexity adds way more cost and pollution to the earth , if indeed it was a goal to pollute less, or maybe it was just to fill landfills and empty your wallet, just sayin.
The government forces makers to do dumb crap to jump through their EPA hoops. The EPA is also partially responsible for lifetime tranny fluid and 5-10K mile oil changes. Auto makers claim we are producing less pollutants simply by telling people not to replace car fluids as often or ever. This is one of the BEST explanations of the downfalls of GDI systems out there. Never buy a turbo GDI car. Anthony hits a homerun on this one!😊😊😊
Consumers getting punched in the mouth no matter what direction we turn anymore.
i tell you its a government conspiracy..i also have noticed that the sun only rises in the east and sets in the west..i really think the republican party should look into this... smells of a soro's conspiracy going on here...hey republicans hold some congressional hearing on this,, get to the bottom of this ' only rises in the east ' conspiracy
i bet you believe in the 100 mile per gallon carburetor
i bet you believe in the 100 mpg carburetor, right? and the designer of this , was silenced by the government and big oil? right?
Nobody is forcing GDI. That’s why many manufacturers are moving to multi port. Wtf do you want a low mpg car? It’s 2024 we should be getting 100 mpg from a drop of fuel. Car manufacturers need to do better.
The auto industry introduced an engine design that requires a massive amount of maintenance to the general public that's pretty much retarded when it comes to maintaining their car. So....what could go wrong? 😂
Toyota didn’t do their customers any favors with owner maintenance either. Starting about 2010 they began pushing the 10K oil changes(makes me so 😡). They also began issuing owners service schedules that went out to 120K miles with no recommendation for both coolant and transmission service. A lot of people just assumed that the new fluids were so good you never had to change them.
@@user-rv4ob4tg9x yes
Lemming-Leap mindset at it's best
@@doctorcountersteer6580 I fought these changes in my mind for a long time. Ultimately, since I didn’t have the knowledge resources we have today, I figured the people who made these new fluids and lubricants know better than me. I mean, what the heck did I know about oil chemistry and tribology back then?
I should have went with my gut feeling when they started pushing that stuff. Thankfully I only bit on the ~5K oil change. If I’d done the 10K+ I’m pretty sure the rig I’m driving today would have been done already.
You have to realize that marketing makes the maintenance schedules, not engineers.
@@a3300000 I really dislike governmental regulations but think about all the energy and unnecessary work that could be saved if it wasn’t this way. It’s too bad the automotive industry is this way.
ANYBODY CAN CLEARLY SEE!!!! THAT THE "POWERS THAT BE" ARE INTENTIONALLY WANTING THE PEOPLE TO HATE OWNING A CAR. THIS IS NOT BY MISTAKE! NO!! THIS IS INTENTIONAL.
When i bought my wife a Hyundai Elantra in 2019. I made sure to get the port injected engine. I refuse to buy any car with GDI of any kind. To many failure points and expensive parts. Her Hhyundai is a 2017 ( bought in 2019 off showroom floor-unsold model with every option-heavily discounted) Elantra Limited with the Atkinson design and 6 speed auto. No CVT crap either for me. Having to walnut blast carbon buildup of internal engine parts is just plain dumb and doesnt justify the miniscule mpg gain short term before the carbon buildup kills efficiency. DESIGNED to fail is the new business model thats getting legacy auto fewer sales overall. THe ignorant public is the only reason GDI even exists. No informed person would ever buy one.
Always install an OiL catch can on the PCV hose as fast as possible.
This will catch the contaminated fumes that clog up the intake valve stems.
The idea that the Honda has no inline fuel filter is insane. Wow.
If you have turbo direct injection: change the oil 3000 mi. religiously, with full synthetic SP rated oil, run premium fuel with a fuel additive (techron for example) Have your intake ports & injectors cleaned every ~20k miles. On cold start-up, let the engine warm up a bit before driving; don't short-trip your car -- always get the engine to operating temp on your trips Don't drive like grandma, open her up & Italian tune-up once a week at least. Inspect & maintain your PCV system diligently.
Needs SP rated engine oil and have to go easy on it until its fully warmed up
I have seen more gdi engines blow headgaskets more then any other car
Turboed GDI engines is a double whammy
“A higher-performance capable engine should receive more attention.” Should be understood especially by those who fall under “I don’t care how it works, as long as it works” category.
Honda actually did good with this design, in my opinion, with designing the fuel injectors to spray at least the valve seats and as much of the rest that would enter the chamber.
I digress, engineers are the backseat drivers nowadays for the accountants at the wheel.
The intake get crusted because wire are not airgapped dc or ac . Espacially big wire . The exaust sensors can not ground on the exaust . The ecm ground wire is there for that
I remember seeing Honda accord 87 or 88 back in 1993 and it had 400k and still running, I wish they would bring old Honda back
Have a 2020 Veloster N performance package with a 2.0 liter GDI and have had no issues other than a HPFP replacement. Currently have 60,000 miles with perfect maintenance and beat the crap out of it. Only mods are Injen CAI. I've had Honda's and Toyotas and BOTH had more issues than my current car. The issue with GDI cars is YOU MUST KEEP UP WITH EARLY MAINTENANCE INTERVALS 💯 USE TOP TIER GAS ONLY. EVERY 30,000 miles, get a BG 3 stage cleaning done. It's about $200 but worth it. I already knew what was getting into with a GDI turbo when I bought it but honestly, I haven't spent a penny out of pocket except for BG treatment. Just my personal experience so far with GDI.
They don’t want to build them the way they used to because of greed… You’re better off restoring an older car that was very reliable…
Actually it's because of dumbokrouts EPA policies and their cafe standards as well
The fuel injector replacement issue is very real, and can happen as early as 30k miles. The dealership buyback program saved my money.
I think about how the VW Golf GTI and Jetta GLI were the first popular common cars to get it in the USA. People learned quickly that GDI had a set of problems.
However, Honda added their own problems when they went T-GDI. I think about how the L15 was designed from day one to be a high fuel economy NA engine, so it would be just fine with a huge open deck and tiny bearings. A proper turbo engine has extra material all over the place when compared to the NA variant, or the NA variant always had lots of extra material. At least the VW TGDI had a chunky iron block and big crank bearnings.
People might not want a non-GDI engine. However, just don't get a non-GDI engine is a bit like saying "Get an engine with no smog devices."
...concur, a properly designed turbo engine has several features not present on non-turbo motors. A dedicated separate oil filter, inline to the turbo is one of them, 4-bolt main bearings is another. If it lacks these things, it's just a normally aspirated engine with a turbo slapped on as an afterthought.
I have heard many about the many issues with the 1.5L. What about the 2.0 Turbo in the 2018- Accord and 2019- RDX?
Pretty much everything is GDI and turbo nowadays. Maintenance is key for any engine. That Honda engine is a garbage design however.
I work at Toyota and it amazes me how ignorant people are about basic maintenance on their cars.
Your front desk reps push the 10,000 mile oil changes. I came in at 5000 for a toyota care oil change and they said they only do that at 10,000 miles. Ridiculous. I did my own change at 1000 and 5000. Its a lease but if I may want to buy it out it. Plus it screws over future used car buyers
They push the 10,000 mile oil changes for sure. And they won’t tell you that when you look at Toyota’s fine print in the manual, hardly anyone meets the driving condition criteria for the 10k mile change interval
They want you to buy a new car they don't want your car to last unfortunately
Sounds like the civic owner didnt use premium gasoline
It’s hard to believe that Honda and Toyota are going backwards on quality. Are these engines designed mostly for saving money for the industry, when the best reason before buying a car is the hopes it will last a long time
The price goes up 15% every year and the quality goes down 15% every year... that's the definition of "capitalism"....
Okay commie. Enjoy your Yugo.
wrong, It's the socialistic government forcing these unreasonable emission and mileage goals. The worst is around the corner. Some of the things in the design phase will blow your mind and your wallet.
Wayyyy off in your definition
Have a 03 crv with 235000 and running almost like new, with no trans or engine issues. They don't make them like they used to.
For the average consumer I agree DI engines are no good. From a performance aspect though it’s great technology. What we need are more automakers doing what Ford does and having DI engines that also have auxiliary port injection. I personally don’t mind the setup of a DI engine except for the fuel system. I’m someone who always modifies vehicles and the cam driven fuel pumps are a restriction on almost everything I’ve built in the last 10 years. Other than that I enjoy DI from a performance standpoint because it allows more compression to be run with more boost and increased timing which in turn = more power for a given setup for each pound of boost. It’s not hard to deal with keeping valves and everything clean because I’m OCD about maintenance anyway. For the lady driving her Honda CRV to work everyday though and just taking it to the dealer every 10k for an oil change DI is a nightmare though which is unfortunate because almost all popular vehicles are GDI these days.
More EPA-mandated self-defeating, costly-to-the-end-user systems. Color me surprised.
Was going to trade in my 2017 Accord V6 with multi port fuel injection, but I’ve changed my mind after seeing this video.
@jondoes7836 thank u keep what ya have make It like new
All the $ you save on gas you spend on maintenance- stupid!
That’s pretty ridiculous to say…everything is direct injection now. You can’t avoid it.
@@chavster6969 then the people need education
Hi Anthony, you should probably try a Berryman’s Chemtool piston soak on this engine. Audi 1.8 liters are bad for sticking up the low oil friction ring. Walnut blast or baking soda blast the back the intake valves. I would recommend Valvoline Restore and Protect at 1,000 mile intervals for the first four oil services to clean it out and then every 5,000 subsequently with the Valvoline RP to keep it clean. Hope this helps.
As such all the new garbage cars should then be 1/5th of the cost they are. If EPA mandates unreliability, the opposite of longevity and sustainability, then the government mandate should include an automatic $30K rebate with each new vehicle purchased. The EPA is not just a failure, it is an abandonment of sensibleness, wisdom and everything that is holy as well as green to the planet we all share and inhabit. There must be no engineer and no mechanic left these days at the EPA.
Regular maintenance and adding a catch can on the PCV system and 140,000 trouble free mile on a 2019 Kia shortage ! Why the manufacturers don’t have catch can on direct injection engines from the factory.
Mazda 3 DI
Is still going with almost 400thousand km.
Never cleaned intake.
Just oil changes every 8000
A couple coils that's it
Yes, i love my 2015 Mazda 3 2.0L ... and a manual trans. 50,000 miles so far ... engine runs like new
They just required more maintenance. You should be changing your oil more often and use a good quality oil that has a low evaporation rate which most owners do not. Also adding a catchcan will slow down carbon/varnish buildup on the intake valve.
Honda dealers are a mess.
The situation with GDI in almost everything these days is partly what motivated me to go electric.
just what I did rather then pay $95 k for a piece of plastic bill gates computer crap all over them, and a dozen modules I restored my 91 GMC that still runs on propane and gasoline , you couldn't pry that truck out of my cold dead hands.
Turbo GDI is race engine tech that is in wrong domestic auto application. Power, performance remains marketing gag. Race engines only have design life to finish one race, then rebuilt or scrapped. As video explains, GDI is needless high pressure complexity.. It's fire hazard if fittings leak and spray high pressure fuel over hot engine.. High pressure pump loads timing chain more, likely causing stretching. GDI can cause oil dilution.
Its nearly impossible to find a non gdi engine car in the market there everywhere
Just wait until they start mandating a DPF style particulate filter. It's bad enough that so m e new engines have EGR along with an EGR cooler.
I am impressed. How did you clean the piston?
Just wait till they add gasoline particulate filters (GPF) like they do in the EU.
Some manufacturers have implemented direct injection with mpi recently to address carbon build up on valves, couple that with regular maintenance it should reduce reliability issues. Unfortunately to many people follow the 15000km oil change intervals recommend by the manufacturer. Its a vicious cycle unfortunately to line pockets with cash especially once owner is out of warranty.
My current cars are 2013 Prius and Mustang. No GDI
The Prius replacement will probably have the Camry hybrid drive train in a Crown or SUV. No turbos. No GDI without port injection. No sleazy mechanical CVT. No belts (accessory or timing). No start/stop system. No torque converter 11 speed automatic. No torque converter. No 12 V starter or alternator. Etc.
Electric car goodness without the electric car drawbacks.
correction,the gdi pump in the tank is a lift pump,also thats why toyota has got a twin EFI,eg has the manafold injector as well as the gdi in their 2.5 motors they dont seem to have as many problems,also you could put a catch can on the pcv pipe,but your 100% right they are garbage and the poor customer is thinking they buying japanese they buying good quality,but they buying rubbish
I own a K24W1 power train and let me tell you, by 2000 ish miles the oil is already dirty as heck and diluted with oil. So the most I got is 3000 with the intervals but I have noticed how counter productive that is
My 11 yr old Turbo GDI runs fine. I do change the oil though. I have no signs of crap on the valves, but I have wondered about adding something like a catch can, with a solvent in the can, to evaporate and be drawn in the PCV circuit, on to the intake valves to keep them clean. Any thoughts?
Just a note: It hasn't gone without it's trials and tribulations. It has been run on Castrol Euro Car 5W-30 since day one with PCV valve changes every 50K and timing chain tensioner every 100K. I have used this oil ever since I got my 2008 Toyota Camry (380K) that was an oil burner (low tension rings). Neither vehicle uses oil between 5K OCI or suffers MPG loss.
The worst one is the 2021 vw tiguan the oil light came on with 3800 miles and it's been eating oil from day 1 , the dealer say it's normal , I've counted 8 vvt solenoid on the head not including cam sensors. And it's a 4 cylinder
Facts, i didnt kno about GDI engines a couple years ago they are trash and expensive to maintain. Makes no sense. Dumped that Kia as soon as i could.
Hyundai Smart Stream engines have both port injection and GDI.
It also seems like many are running engine oil with the wrong additive package. DI engines should be using a low calcium oil. Supposedly this prevents low speed pre-ignition.
@@user-rv4ob4tg9x this I agree
my 1.6L kia soul has 255K miles on it still running strong
Only buy Multi points or Dual injection cars, carbon buildup is a nightmare in all GDI cars
@user-nb5nm4ol8p thank u we agree
New car technology is to make cars not last.
I have no issues with my GDI ecoboost 2.0 and I’m at 157k miles, car drives like a dream with no engine issues. Maybe I’m just lucky 😅
Had to say it twice
Fantastic video and explanation.
@@robertdiehl9003
My Lexus GS350 AWD has a GDI dual injection, no one has issues with the 2GR-FKS.
I identify as a 2001 Astro Van.
On the BMW seven series cars they have two fuel pumps under the hood which of course go bad for the same reasons you mentioned here and they are over $6000 for the pair. If that ever happens on an older seven series it mechanically totals out the car.
Great Explanation
So if he doesn't recommend buying Honda, Toyota, or Kia, what cars does he recommend?
I had excessive blowby in a 2018 Opel Insignia i had, and when using recommended 0-20 oil it was consuming alot of oil.. I swapped it out with a 2013 port injected Opel Mokka. No oil consumption, no notisable blowby and finally... less fuel consumption. The Mokka being 50 kg lighter, but 2 dl less fuel consumption (5dl in Mokka and 7 dl in Insignia) per 10km than the Insignia cant be just because of the 50 kilos.. So where are the positive sides of gdi? I dont think there are any.
The Honda 2.0 liter K20 C2 non/turbo is an old school port injection reliable engine. Unfortunately, Honda decided that 2024 is the last year it will be produced. It will be replaced with a direct injection, non turbo engine for 2025 (will also come with a 2.0/Hybrid system ).
Now what would you expect of owning high tech super model? High maintenance ! 😅
Running a 2014 genesis coupe 3.8 with gdi, basic maintenance will go a long way. Don't buy car made after 2016
Can we shoot solvents like Berryman B12 in the intake after the Mass Air Flow sensor? Will that clean the intake and valves? If we look at the total energy and waste that is a result of Direct Injection, with extra maintenance, engines and cars that have shorter useful service lives, is this less than the older style port fuel injection? The government would need to spend a $100,000,000 on a grant to figure this out after 10 years.
To save the planet 😂
my 14 ford fusion 2.0 gdi works great 193472 miles on it, ,smooth as silk running lots of power..i added a ovs onto the engine first week i owned it
Oil diluted with gas a huge problem. R18 R 20 is the best.
Don't forget about the garbage gas that we have to use, that's a big factor to all of these engine issues also.
Catch can oil separator is the only thing that can save GDI engines from carbon build up on intake valves for the long run.
I have an 18 Silverado 5.3 gdi and oil changes no more than 4000 and so far almost 120k trouble free miles, no oil consumption and excellent mpg for its class
Would a SeaFoam top engine spray every 5k oil change do any bit of good? Turbo or NA, still GDI.
Laughs in '76 Valiant with a 318 done by King Machine....
600 psi isn't high pressure in my world. 10K plus at the injectors on medium duty to heavy duty diesels.
Excellent and enjoyable explanation
I would never buy a honda ???
This guy must be on crack ffs
Toyotas fix for this was to put in port injectors too.. lol. So their GDI has dual injectors for each cylinder.. because EPA likes that efficiency. Lol..
I feel so disappointed and also feel like manufacture's and government regulations are trying to rob me when i think about cars built before say roughly around 2005 compared to vehicles they are pushing on people today. Like WTF why change a good thing and complicate something that is functional, simple and reliable. Thats why im a old car guy now.