@@hunterbragg2566 not heavy but more weight forward is helpful. I setup light but stuff arrows with a weight insert and a 125-150 broadhead. Arrows aren't a ton heavier but the foc is great. I am an engineer and strictly follow KISS. If it has moving parts but doesn't need them, it goes in the trash. Mechanical heads lead to less pass through shots, broken arrows, broad heads, and they are built to make money not ethical kills. SEVR seems to be the only one on the market that builds a mechanical head that isn't designed to be disposable. On the heavy arrow comment you do realize at longer distances heavier is better right? Your KE that is much more important with mechanicals drops very fast on lighter arrow setups.
@@tray22 yea your right but who wants a rainbow for a trajectory. My ke is way up there and I shoot a very light arrow at high poundage and never had issue with penetration. These newer bows are fast so why shoot something that’s heavy. I’ve used mechanicals only and never had issues. Now on the other hand I see myself as a pretty good shooter I’ve won many tournaments and I only shoot for lungs. I can shoot 150+ with my setups. Now I wouldn’t shoot an animal that far unless it was in an open plain area. I understand the heavy concept and everything i just see having a faster setup gives less time to react for the animal and the ke at normal 20-40 yard shot is higher than any heavy arrow I shoot a 342 grain 300 spine arrow out of my bows at 29.5 inch draw from 70-82lbs getting speed of 340+ on all my bows. Now ur an engineer u know that I’m making good ke to all the way out to 140 yards more so than a 500grain at 270fps you can calculate that. I have high ke everyone talks about I just maximize the speed of my bow to get it and my arrow has 12%foc. Not talking bad but your way more intelligent then I am and I know speeds that fast with arrow that light can do the same cause they have the same ke. My arrow is perfectly spined with sharp Broadheads so penetration is no issue.
Another amazing review. I've always wondered why Rage and now G5 don't suck the back of those blades closer to the feral to get that broadhead more compact in flight like the old Rocky Mountain Snyper. I actually use to not use the shock collars on Rage and use a rubber band because I could get it a lot more compact.
It would be nice to see g5 come out with some single bevel heads ive always loved the montecs but love the videos as i always do glad to see you recovering god bless you brother
Yep. A lot of companies are. But to be honest, a three blade head will cut a lot more tissue than a two blade head, even with a single bevel. But for a very large animals, a two blade head will penetrate more deeply, typically.
Great video John. I think the hype is pretty standard these days with any of the new heads that come from company's that target the young guns.i hope your recovering and doing ok sir. Hang in there.
one of the biggest fans of the rage helped with this head so it don't surprise me it performs almost identical it is just a little tuffer but not a whole lot
Its not bad, just not great either. Your sample was a lot sharper than what i have seen others coming in. The blades breaking on steel isnt great. I will say at least they made it that far though. We have seen many fail in the MDF. I still think Sevr 2.0 is the best available if you want a rear deploy 2 blade 2".
What's wrong with breaking on steel? Are you hunting steel plates? Those tests are just to show how some heads are even more durable. These will be more-than-good-enough on deer.
Well, because there are mechs that can hold up to the steel plate extremely well. And if I have a choice between two heads where one has strong enough blades to hold up to multiple shots through steel, and the other breaks on the first shot, all other things equal, I know which hand I’m hunting with.
@@zzz7zzz9he just said he knows he’s not hunting steel plates . Your boy Dudley mechanicals suck compared to much cheaper ones!!! That’s all he was showing everyone 🤷🏼♂️
@@shanebolerhunting i wasn't talking to the video, i was talking to the post that i replied to. I pointed out that the extreme tests, the steel and concrete, are just to show one head's superiority. It in no way means that a head that breaks on steel or concrete isn't good though.
Yeah, there’s a lot of good strength to this head. The typical rage model heads do not do well in the steel plate. But there are others that cut right through it like butter. Sevr and Beast for example
Great review. Curious if you saw the born and raised outdoors guy’s broadhead test through elk shoulders? Not as consistent a testing medium, but still interesting to watch.
Thanks for what you do! A little disappointing considering it is similar in design to other heads. They should have did a side-by-side test to ensure robustness before releasing.
I watched another video yesterday where it took a T2 out of the package 350 grams of force to cut through the wire. Wonder what happened with that one?
Awesome review!! Curious to see if the b3 rd2 does better ?? Only thing I wish is that the rd2 had a little longer tip as it looks like deflection could be an issue. I know the blades broke but I am not as concerned since it was the bottom of the blades where it gets thin and narrow. The main part stayed intact and I happy to see the containment screw stayed strong !
Yeah, there was a slight bit of wobble. But like I say many times when people bring that up, I could not see that with a naked eye. But the camera is zoomed way in and then I expand that when I am editing. So you are looking at probably 10 times closer than the naked eye.
is it possible to do some test with a lower poundage setup like 60#? I am curious as to how many of these mechanicals fair at a lower poundage. Great review as always.
Thanks. The point of the testing is to show how broadheads compare to one another under the same stresses and strains and conditions. I shoot them at 67# and 27” draw, so they would not be far off of yours if you have a longer draw than me. But the draw weights really don’t matter in the testing, since they all endure the same.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures that makes complete sense. I think I was looking at it more towards a penetration/deployment test and how it does at lower draw weight, but now I completely understand where you are coming from by keeping the same standard setup across the board.
Not a fan of these just due to the force to open the blade. I know with my rage NC I never shot them at anything but a target just because I don't like the idea of losing that much force before it even really gets beyond the hide.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I had good results with the Sevr 1.5. The Sevr 2” was another story. Around a dozen animals I shot that had small exit holes. I lost a few animals that I ended up killing later in the season. I really feel the way the Sevrs “lock” open is their weak spot.
Ultra strong 100% steel, grade A steel, surgical stainless steel.. Is this marketing tactic because these companies think their customers are dumb or are they embarrassed about the material they chose? Either way i don't understand it, especially for the price. Hopefully they make 125gr version, and add 25gr of that ultra strong 100% steel to the blades. Call it the new T2 V2, or even the Dud 2. 😘
G5 should have just put the money and effort into redesigning the Deadmeat with thicker blades and better retention system.
All of these companies need to stop producing mechanical broad heads. They are just not worth the risk to the animals we hunt.
@@tray22u must like heavy arrows too lol
@@hunterbragg2566 not heavy but more weight forward is helpful. I setup light but stuff arrows with a weight insert and a 125-150 broadhead. Arrows aren't a ton heavier but the foc is great.
I am an engineer and strictly follow KISS. If it has moving parts but doesn't need them, it goes in the trash.
Mechanical heads lead to less pass through shots, broken arrows, broad heads, and they are built to make money not ethical kills. SEVR seems to be the only one on the market that builds a mechanical head that isn't designed to be disposable.
On the heavy arrow comment you do realize at longer distances heavier is better right? Your KE that is much more important with mechanicals drops very fast on lighter arrow setups.
@@tray22have you shot a heavy arrow vs a light arrow at distance (70+)? You have to hit what you’re aiming at for it to be better
@@tray22 yea your right but who wants a rainbow for a trajectory. My ke is way up there and I shoot a very light arrow at high poundage and never had issue with penetration. These newer bows are fast so why shoot something that’s heavy. I’ve used mechanicals only and never had issues. Now on the other hand I see myself as a pretty good shooter I’ve won many tournaments and I only shoot for lungs. I can shoot 150+ with my setups. Now I wouldn’t shoot an animal that far unless it was in an open plain area. I understand the heavy concept and everything i just see having a faster setup gives less time to react for the animal and the ke at normal 20-40 yard shot is higher than any heavy arrow I shoot a 342 grain 300 spine arrow out of my bows at 29.5 inch draw from 70-82lbs getting speed of 340+ on all my bows. Now ur an engineer u know that I’m making good ke to all the way out to 140 yards more so than a 500grain at 270fps you can calculate that. I have high ke everyone talks about I just maximize the speed of my bow to get it and my arrow has 12%foc. Not talking bad but your way more intelligent then I am and I know speeds that fast with arrow that light can do the same cause they have the same ke. My arrow is perfectly spined with sharp Broadheads so penetration is no issue.
Speedy recovery John.
Thanks brother
I really like that you now show close up footage of the flight performance test.
Thank you
Good morning John!
Good morning. I'm just glad to see another beautiful morning!
Another amazing review. I've always wondered why Rage and now G5 don't suck the back of those blades closer to the feral to get that broadhead more compact in flight like the old Rocky Mountain Snyper. I actually use to not use the shock collars on Rage and use a rubber band because I could get it a lot more compact.
Rocky Mountain snypers were some of the best mechanicals I ever used. Was sad when they went away.
Thanks for sharing that.
The tips of the blades breaking seems less of a concern than other mechanicals that break at the pivot.
Yeah, if you have a choice between ways blades break, this is a better one. But there are other mechs with blades that don't break at all.
Great review. Any thoughts on having a leaderboard for 1. All broadheads 2. Mechanical heads 3 Fixed Blade heads?
I do that at the end of each year. You can see them for the last 2 years as well: They're always the last vid of the year.
I really like the idea of using your crossbow for the accuracy test. But prior to that, you were already shooting really well lol. Cheers!
Thank you
Bought these a month ago. Hope they test good! Thank you John
Good luck
It would be nice to see g5 come out with some single bevel heads ive always loved the montecs but love the videos as i always do glad to see you recovering god bless you brother
Yep. A lot of companies are. But to be honest, a three blade head will cut a lot more tissue than a two blade head, even with a single bevel. But for a very large animals, a two blade head will penetrate more deeply, typically.
Great video John. I think the hype is pretty standard these days with any of the new heads that come from company's that target the young guns.i hope your recovering and doing ok sir. Hang in there.
Thanks Jason.
one of the biggest fans of the rage helped with this head so it don't surprise me it performs almost identical it is just a little tuffer but not a whole lot
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
1. Happy to see youre recovering well now 2. striking resemblance to a rage variation… lol
Thank you. I did this vid a few weeks ago...then spent 11 days in the hospital and had 3 surgeries. UGG.
Its a rage built to g5 durability standards. I'm a g5 guy, already ordered some 125s
Very good.
Its not bad, just not great either. Your sample was a lot sharper than what i have seen others coming in. The blades breaking on steel isnt great. I will say at least they made it that far though. We have seen many fail in the MDF. I still think Sevr 2.0 is the best available if you want a rear deploy 2 blade 2".
What's wrong with breaking on steel? Are you hunting steel plates?
Those tests are just to show how some heads are even more durable. These will be more-than-good-enough on deer.
Yep. I was hopeful this head would do a bit better.
Well, because there are mechs that can hold up to the steel plate extremely well. And if I have a choice between two heads where one has strong enough blades to hold up to multiple shots through steel, and the other breaks on the first shot, all other things equal, I know which hand I’m hunting with.
@@zzz7zzz9he just said he knows he’s not hunting steel plates . Your boy Dudley mechanicals suck compared to much cheaper ones!!! That’s all he was showing everyone 🤷🏼♂️
@@shanebolerhunting i wasn't talking to the video, i was talking to the post that i replied to.
I pointed out that the extreme tests, the steel and concrete, are just to show one head's superiority. It in no way means that a head that breaks on steel or concrete isn't good though.
I like that steel ferrule, and sharpness couples with good retention. I feel like a lot of expandables have issues with the steel plate.
Yeah, there’s a lot of good strength to this head. The typical rage model heads do not do well in the steel plate. But there are others that cut right through it like butter. Sevr and Beast for example
Great review. Curious if you saw the born and raised outdoors guy’s broadhead test through elk shoulders? Not as consistent a testing medium, but still interesting to watch.
I didn't see that.
Thanks for what you do! A little disappointing considering it is similar in design to other heads. They should have did a side-by-side test to ensure robustness before releasing.
Yep.
I watched another video yesterday where it took a T2 out of the package 350 grams of force to cut through the wire. Wonder what happened with that one?
I test the blades multiple times and use the sharpest score I get.
Awesome review!! Curious to see if the b3 rd2 does better ?? Only thing I wish is that the rd2 had a little longer tip as it looks like deflection could be an issue. I know the blades broke but I am not as concerned since it was the bottom of the blades where it gets thin and narrow. The main part stayed intact and I happy to see the containment screw stayed strong !
I just finished testing those as well. That test should be coming up in the weeks ahead.
Looks like it has a lot of wobble to it at the beginning of the video.
Yeah, there was a slight bit of wobble. But like I say many times when people bring that up, I could not see that with a naked eye. But the camera is zoomed way in and then I expand that when I am editing. So you are looking at probably 10 times closer than the naked eye.
is it possible to do some test with a lower poundage setup like 60#? I am curious as to how many of these mechanicals fair at a lower poundage. Great review as always.
Thanks. The point of the testing is to show how broadheads compare to one another under the same stresses and strains and conditions. I shoot them at 67# and 27” draw, so they would not be far off of yours if you have a longer draw than me. But the draw weights really don’t matter in the testing, since they all endure the same.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures that makes complete sense. I think I was looking at it more towards a penetration/deployment test and how it does at lower draw weight, but now I completely understand where you are coming from by keeping the same standard setup across the board.
UA-cam put a G5 ad for this exact head in front of this video 😂
haha.
They can keep it! Too high price double rage price
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
90 bucks$ ?
@@scottpaulsen2649 58$
No it isn’t, you get three G5s vs 2 Rages.
@@zhickman338 the fuck you talking about
John, have you seen the new tuffhead with m300 steel?
Yeah, but I've not tested them.
Should try the deadmeat v2
Yeah, I’d like to test that head. If someone would send me a pack, I would do it.
well, it's much more durable than the G5 Mega Meat.
Sure is.
I think they need to upgrade the feral the blades are ok . 👍
The ferrule held up fairly well to the concrete.
Not a fan of these just due to the force to open the blade. I know with my rage NC I never shot them at anything but a target just because I don't like the idea of losing that much force before it even really gets beyond the hide.
Yeah, I understand that.
how are they not being sued by Rage?
Cause they have a different locking design. Many companies are using slip cams now; not sure if they’re paying Rage or if that is not longer patented.
i think i would just use the 12 for $10 chinadermics over these, if i wanted to use that style head (but i dont).
:)
It’s definitely a better “killing head” than a Sevr 2”. Won’t close up on ribs and fail to reopen in the lungs like a Sevr does.
I don't know about that. I've had one of the blades of the Sevr close on a rib, only to pop back immediately into the lungs.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I had good results with the Sevr 1.5. The Sevr 2” was another story. Around a dozen animals I shot that had small exit holes. I lost a few animals that I ended up killing later in the season. I really feel the way the Sevrs “lock” open is their weak spot.
This head is just a better quality rage
Yeah it is in many ways.
I don’t know I think the Trypan NC may have done better than this one.
@@zhickman338 LMAO not even close to junk rage just saying!
Can we ever get some swat test please
Funny, you ask that. I just finished testing the jogger not TI last night. I need to schedule a time to post it.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures nice thank you can't wait to watch it
Zero innovation. Kind of pathetic how they just remade a Rage.
:)
So they copied rage great job
:)
All these mechanicals are still chasing the Sevr.
No doubt
Ultra strong 100% steel, grade A steel, surgical stainless steel.. Is this marketing tactic because these companies think their customers are dumb or are they embarrassed about the material they chose? Either way i don't understand it, especially for the price. Hopefully they make 125gr version, and add 25gr of that ultra strong 100% steel to the blades. Call it the new T2 V2, or even the Dud 2. 😘
:)
Hard pass
Okay
Looks just like Rage. 👎👎
Definitely similarities.
Look like a rage hypodermic rip off
Lots of similarities. Different locking process for the blades.
Everyone wants to be a Sevr but can't ever make the CUT
That locking mechanism of the Sevr is brilliant...but is well patented.