I can relate to Kyle blowing up his setup at the beginning there, usually that's me right before important meetings lol!! Hope you guys do more of these kinda podcasts.
There needs to more overall events. There use to be like 30 PBA events back in the day. I think the PBA moving around the country will also help bring more interest.
Love your podcasts. Even though I get them on you tube on a time delay. Always learn stuff. Best wishes to you at the Masters this year. Let's get to the show.
Thank you Brad & Kyle for a great podcast. I especially loved the piece where Brad talked about Boog and the “lucky breaks” in the TV-Final. I’m loving your statement Brad - i’m fully 1000% agree with you. Lucky breaks are part of the game and favor mostly those that deserve it with good Bowling to qualify for TV - and can sometimes fall against you. It can happen in all sports that just a fraction of luck favors you or your opponent. I’m feeling sad that the world best bowlers are not making a good living with there beloved sport. But it’s maybe a sport that not diehard insiders can understand enough how great of athletes you guys all are and how big your skills are to make TV-Shows on the hardest patterns one can immagine (especially THS-only Bowlers).
Great bit. I knew the ball contracts keep you all alive and kicking and what is guaranteed. Everything else is icing on the cake. It is one of those things where it seems like you have to pay your dues to get to Tackett, O'Neill or Belmonte and Troup status and then you make money even more because you are a true ambassador of the sport. You all are too. I know UA-cam used to pay like 9 cents a view, so you want your subscribers to watch these videos to get those views to get your numbers up and help have some cushion on top of the ball contract retainer.
I bowled the last Senior Tour (pre PBA50) televised event. The PBA expanded it to include 8. All 8, all 8, were lefthanded. The star of our tour at the time was Bob Glass. Dominant! We called him "The Great Right Hope." He almost made it. Almost.
I was reading some of the comments - my bowling hay days are long gone with me being 56…but I’m old enough to remember going to tour events where there wouldn’t be a lefty in site in the top 24 - But there was Earl leading by 400/500 pins - I can’t even begin to remark on how many times I saw that. So I’m not always convinced is lefties are shut out - later on you’d see Aulby/Cook/Couch - even lesser known guys like John Gant - on the amateurs certain Mike Litch, Mike Mullen - I bet when his career is over we’ll be talking how great Packy is - I see a future hall of famer in him.
Good video guys, but check out the videos on the sancrioned pin set ups, there really is no string interference. That international event you spoke about was a joke, but since then it has changed a lot.
Cool segment guys! There should be some interesting shows this weekend. ❤ Lefties get the hate. I've been feeling that heat for 41 years, so I'm used to it. Folks in my house don't give 2 handed folks even a second glance. It's just another style of bowling.
I've bowled on so many conditions where I couldn't get the ball to wrinkle. 68 years old so I'm old school there with plastic and urethane. Many lefties really started to make it with the LT-48. I too loved that ball and it was a bleeder. Knee injury pretty much took me out when reactive really took over. So yeah being shutout was fairly common
At 1:12:05 Brad I think you may have to re-test each brand again, when storm stopped using 1500 polish, and Brunswick came out with hk22, there was a pretty big shift in performance, Brunswick brands are now by far better than anything storm can offer, it’s also unfortunate for Kyle that he switched to Storm the same year they stopped using 1500 polish/brunswick came out with hk22
So i won my first tournament with a ball i picked up off the rack and used the money that i won to plug and drill the ball it was an ebonite ball still my favorite ball maker to date
I can relate a lot to this having played online poker for a living for 7 years up until our government in Australia basically shut it down. A lot of poker players have that issue where you have a really good year or even just a big score and you don't manage your money well. When you don't get paid on a weekly basis and can go on runs of not only not winning money but losing money for multiple months you really need to try be a lot more careful than the average person. You also kind of need to go through it to learn though. I miss the lifestyle that poker provided however there's something nice about working a regular job as well with the security it provides. I do still miss it though.
We have 2 alleys locally. 1 switched to string pins less than a year ago and they are going out of business very quickly. Went from 2 full leagues per day Sunday-Thursday to no leagues at all.
1 reason you could be missing left, You could be raising up at release. That will cause you to short arm it also know as pulling it. Try staying on plane and follow through maybe even moving your target further down. Ok back to my corner, just my 2 cents
2 handed lefties that throw urethane most of the time, take more than 15 seconds to throw the ball, check their sliding foot every time, and they walk into the next lane over after bowling. Is that enough?
Never had a problem with lefties, the only problem with two handers is the countless non pocket hits, where the sheer power knocks all the pins down...
At money getting better remember back in late 80s and early 90s Mark McDowell won 5 tournaments but had retire and start bowling Business here in Madison Wisconsin also there's so many great bowlers out there can't make it on tour
Guys, you say the ball companies are a big reason of how most bowlers stay afloat.. My question is, what was the difference back in the 60's then... They seemed to have such huge money and popularity. I mean, Dick Weber and Earl Anthony were literal celebrities. Most of my non-bowling friends dont even know who Belmo is... Its crazy. Is bowling just less popular now? Or did moving money towards equipment damage PBA's growth?
It's easy to hate both 2 handers or lefties, but has anyone ever thought about just not hating them? I'm a 2 hander, and not once has anyone said anything to me about it. And if 2 handers are getting hate, why are bowlers like Tom Daugherty not getting hate? I only "hate" on anyone for fun, and if they bowl good it's because they took advantage of what they were given
Most people don’t hate lefties or 2 handers for no reason, if you’re a good or great bowler people will acknowledge that. It’s the spray and pray 2 handers and lefties that have massive egos when they’re really not that good that earn the hate.
Great podcast guys very eye opening to how underpaid pro bowlers are in today’s world. Focus on the lanes have fun in between frames is the motto in league but when there’s $ on the line it’s all focus.
When I throw Brooklyn’s I always go back and tell my opponent that I was looking at the rack I could tell it was off and I would of for sure left a 10 pin so I did it on purpose. lol I never do it on purpose 🤷
Just a thought guys. All you UA-cam guys have built pretty good followings around the country. I w old bet that a number of them would love to host you guys for the tournament. You could figure out some kind perk package for hosting. It might work. Think outside the box.
Being a lefty, it was a never win scenario, you get pretty much shutout, and then you get a bone, and everyone hates, or at least the righties. But you never shutout the righties, just a numbers thing. Just shows you that the integrity of bowling has its limits, due to lane manipulation/conditions.
There is a reason many dont consider Bowling a sport(and why it has struggled to become an Olympic sport), and it is exactly because of this.. It is just too difficult to maintain fairness across the board. There are way too many variables and too much luck involved. Also, sadly, bowling can be easily manipulated and corrupt without even knowing in major International competition, and no one would know. A simple oil manipulation or topography change, and you can put anyone you want at a disadvantage and just claim ignorance.
@@JonHop1I’m sorry i honor your opinion but nothing can be further away from the truth and i really hate this conspiracy theories about doctored lanes favoring any group of bowling stylists. Good lanepeople would be able to equalize the scoringpace of both sides of the lane. But golf has hidden traps, water and bunkers and nobody finds it unfair to anybody. So master your challenges and transitions on the lane and score as high as possible with your knowledge of lane reading and ball choice. That’s what a great bowler is all about.
@willysteiner nothing I said is a theory bud. The Olympic committee has stated publicly why bowling has not been admitted. And it's for the reasons stated. This was literally said on TV in early 2010s when they made the Olympic push for bowling.
@willysteiner Golf has 1 variable. Weather. Everything else is known and seen to everyone. In bowling, it is 100% impossible to maintain dozens of lanes with all different topography and wear. Not to mention the insanely tedious effort to maintain perfect pin placement on every lane down to the micron. There is no pin setter in existence that can even maintain a mm of offset in its placement. On top of this, you cannot see any of these things. So it's all luck. Imagine you qualify for your country, only to get the poor luck of bowling on the worst lanes in the house? If you want to use golf as a comparison, if would be like 1 golfer playing hole with 10 bunkers and 5 water holes, and another playing that same hole with none. Lane topography is that important. We have seen it in PBA tournaments where there will be single lanes that score 10+ less on average. Which is massive. Too many variables, not to mention how hard it is to maintain fairness from the left n right side. Even all the Pros admit that it's a nightmare trying to keep the left and right sides fair.
@@JonHop1i agree with ~95% of your statement but other sports have also massive challenges like wintersports with weather conditions (snow, wind, fog or other) part of the game their in the Olympics nonetheless. Athletics with weather and infrastructure as well. So it’s not fair that our sport played by millions of active practitioners gets overseen by the corrupt IOC for so long.
@@TraumaER I remember like 10 years ago I’d turn on ESPN and massive celebrity’s were bowling with the pros.. I feel like the pba has lost a lot of juice since then
@@mjbtics9459 Its Hilarious, because here locally, we had a guy, who raked in $100k in 2023, just from local pots and Tournaments. There is more money in gambling/pots and local tournaments then there is on the PBA LOL... I mean just last week, a team in my Men's league hit the strike pot for $50k... They each made $10k in 1 night just bowling reg league LOL
Had a HS friend who I thought at the time was the best bowler I ever saw in person as I bowled tournaments with him. He barely cashed at the US Open. I think he stopped bowling PBA tournaments.
Re: being zoned in and competing vs making entertaining vlogs. You guys are growing the sport more than the top bowlers on tour. The tour gives you access and allows you to monetize the channel but they should be kissing your asses.
With regards to the team events. Only having 8 teams is rough. Could easily make it a bigger competition to get into the league. 15 teams bowl 15 games and they take the top 8 teams to go into league. Might see new bowlers and more exciting. In my opinion. Rather then same teams every year kinda boring.
If you watch the the old telecasts from abc in the 60's. They had almost the same purses back then, that they have now, and the crowd would be PACKED! They had stadium events, and the commentators were pure class. ABC did it right and its why so many loved bowling back then.. Dick Weber and Earl Anthony were household names.
I can relate to Kyle blowing up his setup at the beginning there, usually that's me right before important meetings lol!! Hope you guys do more of these kinda podcasts.
There needs to more overall events. There use to be like 30 PBA events back in the day. I think the PBA moving around the country will also help bring more interest.
Love your podcasts. Even though I get them on you tube on a time delay. Always learn stuff. Best wishes to you at the Masters this year. Let's get to the show.
Thank you Brad & Kyle for a great podcast. I especially loved the piece where Brad talked about Boog and the “lucky breaks” in the TV-Final. I’m loving your statement Brad - i’m fully 1000% agree with you. Lucky breaks are part of the game and favor mostly those that deserve it with good Bowling to qualify for TV - and can sometimes fall against you. It can happen in all sports that just a fraction of luck favors you or your opponent. I’m feeling sad that the world best bowlers are not making a good living with there beloved sport. But it’s maybe a sport that not diehard insiders can understand enough how great of athletes you guys all are and how big your skills are to make TV-Shows on the hardest patterns one can immagine (especially THS-only Bowlers).
Great bit. I knew the ball contracts keep you all alive and kicking and what is guaranteed. Everything else is icing on the cake. It is one of those things where it seems like you have to pay your dues to get to Tackett, O'Neill or Belmonte and Troup status and then you make money even more because you are a true ambassador of the sport. You all are too. I know UA-cam used to pay like 9 cents a view, so you want your subscribers to watch these videos to get those views to get your numbers up and help have some cushion on top of the ball contract retainer.
Ads aren't even close to 9 cents per view.
You picked my question! Thanks for talking about the competitiveness of bowling on tour. It’s very interesting to hear about
I bowled the last Senior Tour (pre PBA50) televised event. The PBA expanded it to include 8. All 8, all 8, were lefthanded. The star of our tour at the time was Bob Glass. Dominant! We called him "The Great Right Hope." He almost made it. Almost.
I was reading some of the comments - my bowling hay days are long gone with me being 56…but I’m old enough to remember going to tour events where there wouldn’t be a lefty in site in the top 24 - But there was Earl leading by 400/500 pins - I can’t even begin to remark on how many times I saw that. So I’m not always convinced is lefties are shut out - later on you’d see Aulby/Cook/Couch - even lesser known guys like John Gant - on the amateurs certain Mike Litch, Mike Mullen -
I bet when his career is over we’ll be talking how great Packy is - I see a future hall of famer in him.
Keep growing the sport 💪
Good video guys, but check out the videos on the sancrioned pin set ups, there really is no string interference. That international event you spoke about was a joke, but since then it has changed a lot.
Cool segment guys! There should be some interesting shows this weekend. ❤ Lefties get the hate. I've been feeling that heat for 41 years, so I'm used to it. Folks in my house don't give 2 handed folks even a second glance. It's just another style of bowling.
I've bowled on so many conditions where I couldn't get the ball to wrinkle. 68 years old so I'm old school there with plastic and urethane. Many lefties really started to make it with the LT-48. I too loved that ball and it was a bleeder.
Knee injury pretty much took me out when reactive really took over. So yeah being shutout was fairly common
Loving the pod keep em coming
At 1:12:05 Brad I think you may have to re-test each brand again, when storm stopped using 1500 polish, and Brunswick came out with hk22, there was a pretty big shift in performance, Brunswick brands are now by far better than anything storm can offer, it’s also unfortunate for Kyle that he switched to Storm the same year they stopped using 1500 polish/brunswick came out with hk22
I agree, there should be more events. It would generate more interest and give the bowlers a better income.
Who does your scheduling for each tournament?
So i won my first tournament with a ball i picked up off the rack and used the money that i won to plug and drill the ball it was an ebonite ball still my favorite ball maker to date
Just got my H5G shirt in with my name on it. I love looking like a real bowler.
I can relate a lot to this having played online poker for a living for 7 years up until our government in Australia basically shut it down. A lot of poker players have that issue where you have a really good year or even just a big score and you don't manage your money well. When you don't get paid on a weekly basis and can go on runs of not only not winning money but losing money for multiple months you really need to try be a lot more careful than the average person. You also kind of need to go through it to learn though. I miss the lifestyle that poker provided however there's something nice about working a regular job as well with the security it provides. I do still miss it though.
Hey guys I'm not far from Columbus Ohio I used to bowl in leagues at Wayne Webb
We have 2 alleys locally. 1 switched to string pins less than a year ago and they are going out of business very quickly. Went from 2 full leagues per day Sunday-Thursday to no leagues at all.
Any 1 of you going to pba lbc in iL would love to do a doubles thing with one of you
You can’t beat norm duke for trick shots, but Chris Barnes “flyin eagle “ is pretty sick.
Yes!!! My kid bowls with them. We placed 4th in Dallas
1 reason you could be missing left, You could be raising up at release. That will cause you to short arm it also know as pulling it. Try staying on plane and follow through maybe even moving your target further down. Ok back to my corner, just my 2 cents
Cool video talk tech bowling Brad and Kyle
2 handed lefties that throw urethane most of the time, take more than 15 seconds to throw the ball, check their sliding foot every time, and they walk into the next lane over after bowling. Is that enough?
Never had a problem with lefties, the only problem with two handers is the countless non pocket hits, where the sheer power knocks all the pins down...
At money getting better remember back in late 80s and early 90s Mark McDowell won 5 tournaments but had retire and start bowling Business here in Madison Wisconsin also there's so many great bowlers out there can't make it on tour
Guys, you say the ball companies are a big reason of how most bowlers stay afloat.. My question is, what was the difference back in the 60's then... They seemed to have such huge money and popularity. I mean, Dick Weber and Earl Anthony were literal celebrities. Most of my non-bowling friends dont even know who Belmo is... Its crazy. Is bowling just less popular now? Or did moving money towards equipment damage PBA's growth?
I think it would be cool if the PWBA was able to put together their own league.
It's easy to hate both 2 handers or lefties, but has anyone ever thought about just not hating them? I'm a 2 hander, and not once has anyone said anything to me about it. And if 2 handers are getting hate, why are bowlers like Tom Daugherty not getting hate? I only "hate" on anyone for fun, and if they bowl good it's because they took advantage of what they were given
Most people don’t hate lefties or 2 handers for no reason, if you’re a good or great bowler people will acknowledge that. It’s the spray and pray 2 handers and lefties that have massive egos when they’re really not that good that earn the hate.
@@Tjoe300 True enough. And if they throw thane than it's even worse
Do you have to pay your coach as well?
My favorite ball is still Columbia 300 yellow dot
Great podcast guys very eye opening to how underpaid pro bowlers are in today’s world. Focus on the lanes have fun in between frames is the motto in league but when there’s $ on the line it’s all focus.
Did either of you gaduate from college and, if so, what were your majors?
When I throw Brooklyn’s I always go back and tell my opponent that I was looking at the rack I could tell it was off and I would of for sure left a 10 pin so I did it on purpose. lol I never do it on purpose 🤷
Minus no health insurance plus pay taxes on winnings.
Just a thought guys. All you UA-cam guys have built pretty good followings around the country. I w old bet that a number of them would love to host you guys for the tournament. You could figure out some kind perk package for hosting. It might work.
Think outside the box.
bowling needs the top 100 to be making six figures for the sport to continue.
There’s just a lack of events. BUT it seems like bowling is SLOWLY making a comeback. So maybe
Lefty’s are way worse than two handlers :). I mean as soon as you said Kyle was dropped I assumed it was due to his injuries.
Being a lefty, it was a never win scenario, you get pretty much shutout, and then you get a bone, and everyone hates, or at least the righties. But you never shutout the righties, just a numbers thing. Just shows you that the integrity of bowling has its limits, due to lane manipulation/conditions.
There is a reason many dont consider Bowling a sport(and why it has struggled to become an Olympic sport), and it is exactly because of this.. It is just too difficult to maintain fairness across the board. There are way too many variables and too much luck involved. Also, sadly, bowling can be easily manipulated and corrupt without even knowing in major International competition, and no one would know. A simple oil manipulation or topography change, and you can put anyone you want at a disadvantage and just claim ignorance.
@@JonHop1I’m sorry i honor your opinion but nothing can be further away from the truth and i really hate this conspiracy theories about doctored lanes favoring any group of bowling stylists. Good lanepeople would be able to equalize the scoringpace of both sides of the lane. But golf has hidden traps, water and bunkers and nobody finds it unfair to anybody. So master your challenges and transitions on the lane and score as high as possible with your knowledge of lane reading and ball choice. That’s what a great bowler is all about.
@willysteiner nothing I said is a theory bud. The Olympic committee has stated publicly why bowling has not been admitted. And it's for the reasons stated. This was literally said on TV in early 2010s when they made the Olympic push for bowling.
@willysteiner Golf has 1 variable. Weather. Everything else is known and seen to everyone. In bowling, it is 100% impossible to maintain dozens of lanes with all different topography and wear. Not to mention the insanely tedious effort to maintain perfect pin placement on every lane down to the micron. There is no pin setter in existence that can even maintain a mm of offset in its placement. On top of this, you cannot see any of these things. So it's all luck. Imagine you qualify for your country, only to get the poor luck of bowling on the worst lanes in the house? If you want to use golf as a comparison, if would be like 1 golfer playing hole with 10 bunkers and 5 water holes, and another playing that same hole with none. Lane topography is that important. We have seen it in PBA tournaments where there will be single lanes that score 10+ less on average. Which is massive. Too many variables, not to mention how hard it is to maintain fairness from the left n right side. Even all the Pros admit that it's a nightmare trying to keep the left and right sides fair.
@@JonHop1i agree with ~95% of your statement but other sports have also massive challenges like wintersports with weather conditions (snow, wind, fog or other) part of the game their in the Olympics nonetheless. Athletics with weather and infrastructure as well. So it’s not fair that our sport played by millions of active practitioners gets overseen by the corrupt IOC for so long.
There’s a lot they can deduct on their taxes. I hope they have a good tax person.
Also take advantage of travel reward programs.
PBA league is like a normal league. It comes down to luck more than not. Which really ups the competitiveness.
Did you all face Matt Ogle’s because I am his sons friend
I want to see prize winnings of PBA vs PpA professional pickleball association
But you get to claim all of the expenses on your taxes
I will never teach a lefty to bowl again. I can't beat him now 😅
damn these guys top 10 in the world and working at walmart at the same time. thats sad
Blame the PBA. They did their best in the 1990s and early 2000s destroying bowling to the public.
@@TraumaER I remember like 10 years ago I’d turn on ESPN and massive celebrity’s were bowling with the pros.. I feel like the pba has lost a lot of juice since then
@@skidaddy21that, gold pins, lousy announcers, losing key sponsors, inconsistent telecast times.
10th in money made 80,000 last year. Brad and Kyle probably not top 10 if they bowled in regionals.
@@mjbtics9459 Its Hilarious, because here locally, we had a guy, who raked in $100k in 2023, just from local pots and Tournaments. There is more money in gambling/pots and local tournaments then there is on the PBA LOL... I mean just last week, a team in my Men's league hit the strike pot for $50k... They each made $10k in 1 night just bowling reg league LOL
The Urethane changes have destroyed Butters and Jesper's careers... 😅
It's all about adaption
I don’t think so. The left side is playing very tuff for them
@@tommarlow8277 ? for 2 years the left side been playing tuff? lol
I bet plenty of guys lose money every year on the tour
Had a HS friend who I thought at the time was the best bowler I ever saw in person as I bowled tournaments with him. He barely cashed at the US Open. I think he stopped bowling PBA tournaments.
Re: being zoned in and competing vs making entertaining vlogs.
You guys are growing the sport more than the top bowlers on tour. The tour gives you access and allows you to monetize the channel but they should be kissing your asses.
While I don’t think professional bowlers should make MLB NBA or NFL money but LeBron makes a very good PBA bowlers career in 1 game lol
With regards to the team events. Only having 8 teams is rough. Could easily make it a bigger competition to get into the league. 15 teams bowl 15 games and they take the top 8 teams to go into league. Might see new bowlers and more exciting. In my opinion. Rather then same teams every year kinda boring.
2 handers have turned the ballet of bowling into the mosh pit of bowling.
No question you guys are underpaid. With a TV contract, the cash should be a lot more. No excuse not to have a bare minimum $100,000 per tourney win.
If you watch the the old telecasts from abc in the 60's. They had almost the same purses back then, that they have now, and the crowd would be PACKED! They had stadium events, and the commentators were pure class. ABC did it right and its why so many loved bowling back then.. Dick Weber and Earl Anthony were household names.
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