I kept seeing him and thinking "hey, that guy looks like a well-fed Josh Strife Hayes." Finally got a better look and realized "oh wow, that's him! ...I guess Josh Strife Hayes is a little better-fed than I thought."
I just hope that "oldschool mmo" means that the levelling IS the game. I am so tired of mmos rushing you through the levelling phase just to do endgame content I dont care for. I play mmos to explore the world and have fun with my friends/strangers that I meet on the way and no mmo since WoW classic has been able to replicate that feeling. Also seeing the team being a happy family really makes me happy. Thats how it's supposed ot be.
who is forcing you to rush to engame?wow has hundrets upon hundrets of hours of gameplay that involve zero engame,its proly among the best at this,there is so much to explore,do,collect etc etc
Heh, as someone who grew up on EverQuest 1 I have the opposite opinion. I want that brutal grind and slow gameplay cause it gave time for communities to form during the grind. I still remember some fun chats while grinding Velks. For me the journey was the best part.
Oh boy, do I ever agree with this comment. It used to be that you actually made a game where the actual gameplay was the focus (weird, no?) But this bizarre thing of fucking everyone else over just to cater for those who want to do repetitive end game stuff is beyond me. Why not just make a game for them? I always played games like WOW solo, loving just levelling up each character to the max and that was it. I don't get why this has been weirdly overlooked these days.
Game Dev companies with CEOs that just want to make a game they always wanted to play is IMO a good recipe to get something interesting and unique. It might be something in an undersefved niche like this type of MMO, or X4 for space games, or Baldurs Gate 3 for CRPGs, but it's probably not a soulless clone of something existing in the main stream.
The common problem is that "game I always wanted to play" is often based on rose-tinted player-side memories of old games. When you become a game developer, you should realise that most of the ideas you had for a "perfect game" have good reasons to not exist in good games. Unfortunately, Kickstarter doesn't filter the people who didn't learn that lesson, so plenty of passionate dev teams can still make terrible games (though they tend to not come out being "soulless").
What people say they want vs what people actually end up playing and paying for end up being wildy different. People claim to want innovation and something cool and new and fresh and blah blah, but then COD, AC, whatever yearly sports games, anything in a big long-running franchise/IP, become the best sellers.
Yeah, this video feels kind of weird, it feels like an ad, a lot of it so far has been very tangential to whether it's a scam and more veiled excitement for the game. Also a bit disingenuous to say he hasn't worked for them then go on to explain how he has worked as a consultant for them and been paid for it. Still, I don't think there's anything nefarious, just a weird tone. Callum thinks it's not a scam so there's the answer.
I understand that feeling of wanting to actually make friends in game, but then you have people like me who don't manage to make any friends. I spent a whole summer running around WoW and never even managed to be accepted into a guild. It's a different experience for Pint and for the new blood elf who doesn't know anyone.
Hah that's new wow for you mate, i still remember 17 years ago (damn i m old) i met a prieșt and a rogue lvling în silverpine forest, joined them and went în a cave full of spiders, died at the end and instead of ressing, they dueld till the spiders respawned and killed them. We are still friends till this day.
Wow, these guys and gals have come a very long way. It's been like a year since I remember hearing about this one. When I first found out about the game I was very curious. The only reason I decided not to continue with it was due to the fact that the game was moving slowly and there really wasn't much to do, plus it was very generic at the time. There was only one area and it was very basic. This isn't a scam, it's been around for awhile now and they have always seemed passionate.
What annoys me the most, is that i bought the Honored License Pack back in the late summer of 2023. Then they started to give us Subscribtion Models to play constantly (but not the ones who bought the pack). Now i only can play new content when i support via Kickstarter. Its a huge mess and a punch to the face, to all who supported the game in the past and in its beginnings with the Packs. Therefore i will not give them any further money till release. Thats my point. Do what you want to do.
I'm curious and wish for the best for Scars of Honour. I would really like it to succeed and to see all the races up close in game. I hope if it launches, it actually has some fun faction interactions. Not just for pvp, but like if you can even chat with the opposite faction.
On a related note; how's Nightmare World? I don't actively follow any news regarding it (only this channel) and it's been a while since a devlog came out.
I don't think Nightmare World was ever seriously in development. The dev logs were always focused on "look at this cool bucket our 3d artist made" instead of showing progress creating the actual core of the game. What's insane is that Callum's claim to fame is "exposing Dreamworld" as a scam game, but then he turns around and claims he's launching a MMORPG game with a massive team of people and ZERO FUNDING. The only person on the Nightmare World team who was reaping any benefit from the project was Callum, because it was driving traffic to his UA-cam Channel. Callum never gave a fuck about NightmareWorld. He created an official UA-cam channel for the project, just to turn around and continue posting all the dev logs on his channel. Literally half Callum's comments are people asking about Nightmare World, and yet he acts completely oblivious. Nobody gives a fuck about his stupid NFT videos. The only reason people started following him after Dreamworld was because people wanted to see this volunteer game development concept go somewhere, but the end result was honestly kind of pathetic. I used to like Callum's content, but he's stripped away anything interesting in favor of chasing the algorithm.
I played the beta, about a year and a half ago, and the game seemed nice. It was still far from completion, but the foundations were quite solid for such an early build. Haven't partecipated in another beta since then, but I am looking forward to see how it will shape up.
8:35 It is, though. Their old conceptual "footage" looked much better than what's on the screen now. Whatever standard of graphics they were aiming for they definitely missed it :(
I'm an introvert by nature ... but my best days in WoW were when I was in a big active, guild that yammered away about everything while we played .... as much as we played. Zerging a dungeon in retail WoW via dungeon finder is soulless and the opposite of fun.
That's how I found all my guilds back in early WoW. Join a group for some 5 man dungeons runs and we'd get chatting and find out they wanted to break into raiding and needed more people. The game completely lost that with the dungeon finder. I can count the number of times on my hand that I had a good conversation in a dungeon finder group, and then all being on different servers meant we'd go our separate ways afterwards. Gaming has worked too hard to remove the friction of social interaction.
As great as the gameplay might be... the bland, cookie-cutter art style and the actual name of the game pushes me away. "Scars of Honor" sounds like a mid-2000's fanfic written by a 12 year old. I hope they make some big changes and are able to succeed.
Social is nice but I like when it''s optional, even in a MMO. This seems like a good game but certainly not for me. I want to be able to play the main plot alone if I want to. I want to be able to choose, during my gameplay, WHEN to interact with people. Having it being a core mechanic? No thank you, I prefer solo queueing in Levelling Roulette on FFXIV.
Until you spoke about the cross-platform stuff it had me really excited. Another game that was designed like this was Albion online. That combat system and stuff is really what holds it back imho, they still need to keep in mind the mobile players.
As of this post, Scars of Honor didn't reach the funding goal on kickstarter. Either they didn't advertise enough, or the project was victimized by the past bad reputation of kickstarter. Not many reviews about it were made either, which is sad, as it shows nobody knew of this project. Lets hope they are able to find other methods to fund it.
19:20 My only issue is that it creates an "in group". It's nice and all to see it as friends meeting up with friends, but it still makes a have and have-nots issue. The havers will only play with those that have and the have-nots will never have what the havers have because new people with bad gear no matter how skilled aren't welcome. There used to be flat damage scaling abilities that were good regardless of gear in WoW (see Rogue) but that ain't the case anymore. Everything is based on Item Level. Someone at 300 Ilevels deals 1000% less damage than someone at 350 Ilevel. The gap is massive, and it takes hours to increase it by even a bit. People have even less reason to ever consider helping a newbie.
there are ways they could help lower that which am excited to see reminds me of the PVE main mode of Fortnite where all weapons are level capped when your in a lower level area so yes you did get a upgraded item but your not gonna one shot everything OH an you can just drop down any item for anyone so no such thing as have nots lol
It's the problem I have with endgame, difficult content on FFXIV. How am I supposed to complete the fist time this difficult content if all recruiting groups only accept people who completed it at least once? But that is only a small part of the game not everyone does, not the main content.
@@00r0ry trying to remmber what game it was that had a function where a raid group of let say 20 was made up of 20 that where all had completed it several time there was no bonus drop. if 5 out of 20 had not done the raid, then first the 5 would have there own mini drop table of catch up gear and rewards. the other 15 people would then get access to a slightly increased drop table example the 2h axe half the raid was in there for would go from a drop rate of 1% to 2%. so there was always a intense to take if possible a few newbies whit you.
It's super refreshing to see you being able to praise an upcoming developer for a change. Not planning on playing myself, but this game looks really cool.
I wonder if heavy social mmo's can still work. Nowadays, nearly every game is about efficiency and people will say "oh I wish things were like they used to be", but when something comes out that implements the old ways, people find it boring or tedious. I hope this MMO will be a succes, we'll see.
Hey there! Monetization will be focused around cosmetic purchases that let you customize everything about your appearances, without giving you any stat boosts.
This video took me on a journey while driving to work. From wanting to hate a game, to me feeling bored and uninterested, to being very interested. I'd be down for getting it once it comes out
I've been wandering the internet looking for a game I can sink my time into recently, but, for me, a game looking for investors is a no-go. From my experience, investors have a tendency of making fun games into predatory cash cows. I get that it's expensive to make a game, especially an MMO, but once the genie is out of the bottle, it's very hard to put it back in, and if you get greedy investors who just want money and don't care about the game, which is most investors, then that's how you end up with games that are forbidden from taking exciting risks and have to be as accessible to the masses as possible and have to monetise in 500 different ways. Maybe I'll take another look at this game in a few years, once whatever investors this attracts have had a chance to sink their teeth into the management of this game, but right here and now, I don't have the heart to watch a game devolve before my eyes again into a greedy mess.
Dungeon finder was answer to people not being able to group up with others. It allowed more people to participate. Forced grouping is actually the largest aspect I depise in MMOs. Being content blocked because some groups just wont include anyone else. then there's the really bad design of roles, forcing specific team compositions. I'd rather just play a true co-op game.
It's an kickstarter mmo, it's more likely than not to be a scam. Maybe they didn't plan it to be a scam, but they always are. Always a positive surprise when it is not.
Getting an old school runescape/guild wars vibe. Looks interesting and as a SUCKER for virtual gifts the idea of a virtual mansion sounds pretty sweet^^
Genuinely refreshing to see passion and competence from an indie dev team. What a cluster of novel concepts! Removing the stumbling block BEFORE you run into it. Utilizing the extensive knowledge base of the UA-cam Cabal for your benefit instead of fighting them. CEO is hands on
Dude, you've been paid to fly over there and consult with them. That is literally one of the definitions of "working for somebody." You are not EMPLOYED by them, but you are working for or at least with them.
Not sure how to feel about the title of the video. Plenty of people just read headlines and video titles and then just make up opinions based on that without reading/watching. I've never heard about this MMO and this video got me really excited for it tbh, but if I didn't watch it I'd assume there's an MMO called Scars of Honor that is a scam. Also it was really cool seeing you and Josh in Bulgaria and meeting the devs!
Makes me sad that scams have become so common and sophisticated that it's starting to threaten the ability of legitimate projects to succeed. I think investors using crowd funding as a way to judge interest in a project is an abuse of the good will of backers and the intent of crowd funding, but there are projects that really need crowd funding to be possible, and it sucks that there are projects that likely will fail because it's become so difficult to tell what's real and what's just another scam. I don't blame people for their skepticism, I blame the crowd funding platforms for being too greedy to take real steps toward weeding out scams. Anyway, this looks like a cool game, I hope it's successful.
I absolutely agree with you except on the point of investors using KS to judge interest in the project... judging market interest in your project is one of the things Kickstarter is _supposed_ to be useful for, but the complete mismanagement of the platform has lead to the focus of projects being on crowdfunded money rather than successful projects. You used to be able to list a project and have backers indicate their interest with a nominal amount like $5, so the creator could understand the level of interest before they worked out the scale & cost of full production, as well as gather important data to help bring in large investors. They would then load their pledge tiers on the project page and if you still wanted to back it you could just pay the difference. Ideally most of the projects on KS would only require a portion of their project to be crowdfunded as that would dramatically increase the chances of success. Kickstarter crowdfunding is seed money for a project from the people who would be the end consumer... it's not a purchase of a fully costed-out product The problem is that KS does nothing to help the creators (who often have little to no business management experience & lack the skills to accurately cost out their project), nor the backers. It was supposed to help "kickstart" projects by connecting like-minded people to create niche products & art... but they've let it become GoFundMe for scammers and a minefield for legitimate projects to try to navigate.
I think the rest of the Nightmare World team realized the only person who was reaping any benefit from the project was Callum, and so everybody just gave up
Was sold before you even started the pitch. OG gamers know that tone of a project/team that is passion over profit. Its a new business model and that is reasonable to get that proof of concept/market demonstration to secure the last bit of distribution and release stabilization funding 👍
There was a priest I saw, was lucky to be in Dungeons/raids with who could do great heals and was always number one DPS. It was the WOTLK expansion and I wish I could remember the handle of the toon lol.
I really like the video and it is promising that you are sort of proud of the developer for laying down a network fundament first. However to me this is just too early in development to get me on board. As you mentioned in the video it feels a bit too heavy influenced by wow. I am getting "Hord vs Alliance with almost the same races and classes on a budget"-vibes. To be honest the addition of a pirate is the only thing that is different. If the the shadows, shaders and models are staying in the currently chosen style and artdirection it is a hard no for me. I don´t need hyperrealism, but I need something fresh. Too many games nowadays that are stylized are leaning to heavy into the WoW formular. Also the aoe particle effects displayed in their videos are too noisy. As they aim for Crossplay it is a sad reality that we won´t have an artstyle like Elden Ring. I will follow this but to be honest it´s more of a "let´s see how the game is doing when it´s out for 6 month" kind of situation.
So its not a scam, but it is a quixotic quest. I am sorry; but a million towards making an MMO is a drop in the bucket. Calling it retro or old-school wont change that fact. I have seen high-level systems maps of an MMO and the entire game is just one square on a large diagram. The other squares are things like 'data center', 'server fail-over cluster', 'pay system', '24x7 customer support system' and more. I don't know why people don't seem to follow that the only analog to launching a MMO is launching your own ISP. Could anyone launch an ISP with 1 million? I doubt 10 million is even close. What they should have done is take that million and make a solid single player or limited-scope multiplayer game and work their way up towards the 'Holy Grail' of making an MMO.
Well glad it's not a scam, but hard pass on the old school nostalgia of people being friends in an MMO making the game loop core. Unless you invest ALOT into staff dealing with bans, filters and general help in keeping the worst people from being nasty assholes to other players, this is not my thing, and I don't see it taking off for your average player who wants to play online and will never have the numbers to make it sustainable. Not hoping it fails, more power to small teams making what they want, I hope it finds it's niche for enough people to work.
hey! i actually ahve replied to you before but i'll post it here, it was listed on etsy a while back but no longer is. i hope its something you can find. i searched "Orchid Mantis Plushie" way back when i got it :D
@@CallumUpton sorry, i must have not noticed the notification or lost my memory or something. Thank you for the information! i think it is very original!
I've been a backer of this game since the last video you made on it, to be honest I've only briefly participated in one beta test and wasn't too impressed by what I saw at the time but they do in fact *have* a game so... There is that
Real Talk - What happened to Nightmare World? Is it abandoned? Is it silently in development? You got an investment offer a while back too, did you accept something that had you sign an NDA?
TBF I feel there's a lot of that feeling of community you are talking about in FFXIV. Though I pretty much stopped playing a couple of years ago so I dunno if things have changed that much. However I always found myself conversing/befriending absolute strangers on there all the time. Their answer to the dungeon finder vs make your own party was to just have both. If you think you can beat whatever it is you're queueing for with any old random person you just queue up and get whoever you get. However if you feel you need more experience or someone with a decent item-level you just put your party on the party-finder, tells people what you are wanting to fight, who is already in your party, what i-level you want them to be, whether you want someone who's already beaten it before or not, etc, etc. It worked stupidly well, can't tell you how many times we were down a man for a raid and we put the party on the party-finder and 9/10 times we got an absolute beast join to help us that we end up adding to our friends list or linkshell so we can contact them again if we need them.
Seems like it could be good. Hopefully it goes well. Unfortunately they did pick all the red flags for their title and description. MMO with a small investment size, as we know usually means they're overpromising. F2P usually means lots of monitorization and in-your-face shops, adverts, etc. "Community Driven" usually means "lacking content". Old-School for a lot of people can just mean a WoW or Runescape clone. What kind of story do they have in it? I think some MMOs rise and fall based on the quality of their stories, quests and dungeons. For example, I really didn't find Star Wars The Old Republic interesting in a gameplay sense, but still finished the game because the story for the imperial intelligence officer I was playing was so good. Similarly, a lot of the game systems in ESO online were good but I couldn't tell you a thing about the story, other than I remember starting the game in Coldharbour, and I ended up dropping it pretty quickly. I hope all the crafting has mini-games to go along with them. Skill based challenges that are made easier by your crafting levels and that ultimately determine the quality of the item you create. It would mean that 'skilled crafters' are more than just high level players. Making it possible to craft the literal best gear is kinda essential to the longevity of crafters otherwise why would you ever get a crafted weapon when you could just farm a dungeon for the best in slot? If anything, the best crafted weapons should be the best weapons in the game, using materials you have to farm from high end dungeons (or buy from other players) and with custom stat rolls so you can fit them to a player's build. Also a skin system so you can change it's appearance both before and after crafting. Though, you might lose the ability for players to recognize items if they're hidden by skins, which could detract from the social aspects. I assume there'll be a skin system though, because that's where they'll be hoping to get microtransactions since they're not going to have pay to win mechanics and it's free to play. A long lived MMO should ideally have engaging grind at every stage. Waiting 3 hours for a crafting bar to fill up would suck, for example. Doing 3 hours worth of mini-games until you get a perfect score and create the best version of the item you cant to craft is much much more entertaining, and will extend the life of the game by a lot for many players. (Some players do prefer idle gameplay, but in my experience once players start engaging with idle mechanics, it's basically them leaving the game but slowly. Plus, you can't compete with Black Desert Online when it comes to idle gameplay.) Combat is an awkward one. Hopefully it'll be interesting with status effects and whatnot that you can stack on enemies. Click and auto-attack often struggles to be engaging and larger battles can end up a mess of big effects that make it difficult to actually see anything. Maybe a system like elemental combinations would be really good for that kind of combat system. Splash an enemy with a water skill then zap them with a lightning bolt for a short stun or something. That kind of thing could really liven up otherwise boring combat. I mean, I'm assuming it'll be right click to auto-attack with a skill bar. Black Desert Online's combo system is a masterpiece, but no doubt is out of the reach of a small independent developer like this. Either way, hopefully they don't go the BDO route of "murder mobs for 4 hours every day to get a bit of money and in 2 years you might afford an endgame sword". Hopefully the combat is good since it tends to be the focal point of any MMO. If all the crafting systems build toward enabling combat then the combat has to be good for the other systems to be worth engaging in. All in all, too many uncertainties for me to drop money on the game. Also I'm poor and that's, uh, totally not the main reason. But I really hope it gets the funding it needs to see the light of day and I hope the devs end up impressing me with the systems in the game.
Sooooo, this was such good promotion that I had the Kickstarter app open within the first minute of the video and was looking at the game as you spoke. And I pretty quickly decided to get in on the Early Bird and back it because even if it turns out the game isn't my cup of tea (I'm usually a very solo player) I like what they're doing and want to show support. And then at the end of the video I realized you had a link I should have used. Sorry for jumping the gun and not giving you proper credit!
Never heard of this game before this video, but I was won over with the discovery that I can play as a bear. I hope this game succeeds. I'll probably throw their kickstarter a few dollars to help.
The one way you can tell it’s real, is they’re making this thing currently at a loss, sure they may earn that money back through sales, but scams put no effort in and run with super cheap stuff to lose as little money they’re given as possible.
22:50 This right here is true in many ways. It's the reason why we still play games from the olden days. Yes, it looks bad. Yes, it might be nostalgia. But what we find in these games isn't the graphics, but in which we find them genuinely fun. It's why I still play old Gamecube and N64 games to this day, especially ones that I have never played before.
I don't want to say I'm excited because we all know how those usually go, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this game. A lot of that optimism comes from the fact that Josh and Callum are promoting it because I think Callum and Josh have built up enough goodwill to at least earn some faith for the project they are involved with.
When has kickstarting a new MMO ever worked? If so, how many have actually succeeded? I think I'll pass. Too many of these types of titles fail to be worth the investment.
Just cosmetics on a visually simplified online game ? You attract whales with pay-to-win or pretty skins to brag in front of little fish. They will need to add a suscription, maybe as a battlepass or something similar. Maybe an end-game access ? Anyway good luck to them ! They seem to be good people doing their best.
Sure the game looks 15-10 years old BUT what matters is, IS IT FUN??? These days I rather spend time playing older games that will even run on your bloody laptop, knowing they are FUN.
16:11 Everquest too = Norath is their world name. I used to maintain two level 19 twinks - Alli Mage and Horde Rogue. When the cries of Twinks in the BG went out I logged in and started bullying them. There was a hunter that ran in fear from my rogue - chain sapping them for five minutes will do that ;)
The CEO sounds like the MMO version of Austin Meyer, just getting his head down and programming. (I know some aren't huge fans of Austin but I think he's a cool guy.)
I always hope and wish the best for game devs. Its never an easy job and its a lot of risk. It doesnt need to be the biggest and flashiest, just make it well with what it is and we will follow. Look at small games like vampire survivors! If its awesome, we will be flocking to play.
The main thing I don't like..... No subscription. I know it sounds weird, but F2P games always end up with funding problems. By me as the playing paying for a service, it means they get some income to keep it going, on the flip side there comes the contract that they are then invested to continue to keep the service going to continue the revenue stream. I also thing it looks good to investors.
Nothing more fun than spamming LFG channels for 30 minutes to find a party, then walking another 20 minutes to a dungeon, and the tank has to go because something came up. Peak gameplay.
I don't think SoH is a scam MMO at least not intentionally but when I first saw the game my immediate thought was that is is gonna fail and I still think it's probably gonna fail
I was pretty optimistic about this game, but i watched some longer gameplay videos now, yikes! yeah i cant imagine this game is gonna do very well either.... sadly, but time will tell
It doesn't even really look like Azeroth. The islands are completely different. The only similar thing is the name starting with an A and the map looking old.
Ah it looks neat. MMOs are really not my thing, but they seem so passionate. I hope they get a random breakthrough because its not looking promising re: Kickstarter.
ugh. Free to Pay MMO. Quite an interest killer for me. About the only MMOrpg that had something awesome to it was SWOTR, and that content is basically what you'd see in offline games. People are still brain dead buying into this crap (among other things). They certainly aren't doing anything healthy to the gaming industry. I almost strongly wish I'd land a few billion dollars to form my own team so I'd have all the games I actually want to play.
well , i dont know if this is a scam or ot ! but i have seen other youtubers give the impression it it free to play , BUT whe you go to sign up for this you need to pay . so im blaming these other you tubers for confusion and all too
16:00 minutes in and I can't help but feel like this entire video is just a giant advertisement. I usually respect your work Callum, but I think you've really got too lost in your biases for this video. It's very hard to believe anything you're saying when you're so close to the project and endlessly gushing about every point of its development beside the state of the map. I can trust your opinion is truthful as you perceive it, but I'm not sure I trust your perspective in this case. This probably should have been a smaller, more unbiased video only highlighting your connections to the project and explaining why that makes it inappropriate for you to comment on.
The Kickstarter page: www.kickstarter.com/projects/beastburst/scars-of-honor-the-community-driven-free-to-play-mmorpg?ref=d4v7f3
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A wild Josh Strife Hayes appears.
I kept seeing him and thinking "hey, that guy looks like a well-fed Josh Strife Hayes." Finally got a better look and realized "oh wow, that's him! ...I guess Josh Strife Hayes is a little better-fed than I thought."
@@etzool This reads like something that needs a clip for Josh Strife Says
I believe you are mistaken. The vested gentleman was obviously Bulgarian Henry Cavill 🤭
Seriously expecting him to rise up behind Callum's chair and Agent47 him 😂
Understand the confusion, it is unusual to see him on first monitor
I just hope that "oldschool mmo" means that the levelling IS the game. I am so tired of mmos rushing you through the levelling phase just to do endgame content I dont care for. I play mmos to explore the world and have fun with my friends/strangers that I meet on the way and no mmo since WoW classic has been able to replicate that feeling.
Also seeing the team being a happy family really makes me happy. Thats how it's supposed ot be.
after a lot fo talking to the team they seem to be avoiding the "endgame meta" and are aiming more towards the leveling being the journey
who is forcing you to rush to engame?wow has hundrets upon hundrets of hours of gameplay that involve zero engame,its proly among the best at this,there is so much to explore,do,collect etc etc
@@deenman23 You know other games exist, right?
Heh, as someone who grew up on EverQuest 1 I have the opposite opinion. I want that brutal grind and slow gameplay cause it gave time for communities to form during the grind. I still remember some fun chats while grinding Velks. For me the journey was the best part.
Oh boy, do I ever agree with this comment.
It used to be that you actually made a game where the actual gameplay was the focus (weird, no?) But this bizarre thing of fucking everyone else over just to cater for those who want to do repetitive end game stuff is beyond me. Why not just make a game for them?
I always played games like WOW solo, loving just levelling up each character to the max and that was it.
I don't get why this has been weirdly overlooked these days.
to be fair a consultant is also a position in a company..
Game Dev companies with CEOs that just want to make a game they always wanted to play is IMO a good recipe to get something interesting and unique. It might be something in an undersefved niche like this type of MMO, or X4 for space games, or Baldurs Gate 3 for CRPGs, but it's probably not a soulless clone of something existing in the main stream.
The common problem is that "game I always wanted to play" is often based on rose-tinted player-side memories of old games. When you become a game developer, you should realise that most of the ideas you had for a "perfect game" have good reasons to not exist in good games. Unfortunately, Kickstarter doesn't filter the people who didn't learn that lesson, so plenty of passionate dev teams can still make terrible games (though they tend to not come out being "soulless").
What people say they want vs what people actually end up playing and paying for end up being wildy different. People claim to want innovation and something cool and new and fresh and blah blah, but then COD, AC, whatever yearly sports games, anything in a big long-running franchise/IP, become the best sellers.
Came for a scam video, got an extended ad instead
Yeah was disappointed. Says more about me I guess that I was sad there wasn’t another scam MMO out there to tear apart lol
@drfrankendoodle we're addicted to watch scam MMO game 😂
@@LEGENDGAMES-SD I mean scam videos are pretty funny though
The real scam was expecting a scam and not getting a scam. Total rug pull.
Yeah, this video feels kind of weird, it feels like an ad, a lot of it so far has been very tangential to whether it's a scam and more veiled excitement for the game. Also a bit disingenuous to say he hasn't worked for them then go on to explain how he has worked as a consultant for them and been paid for it.
Still, I don't think there's anything nefarious, just a weird tone. Callum thinks it's not a scam so there's the answer.
I understand that feeling of wanting to actually make friends in game, but then you have people like me who don't manage to make any friends. I spent a whole summer running around WoW and never even managed to be accepted into a guild. It's a different experience for Pint and for the new blood elf who doesn't know anyone.
Hah that's new wow for you mate, i still remember 17 years ago (damn i m old) i met a prieșt and a rogue lvling în silverpine forest, joined them and went în a cave full of spiders, died at the end and instead of ressing, they dueld till the spiders respawned and killed them. We are still friends till this day.
Wow, these guys and gals have come a very long way. It's been like a year since I remember hearing about this one. When I first found out about the game I was very curious. The only reason I decided not to continue with it was due to the fact that the game was moving slowly and there really wasn't much to do, plus it was very generic at the time. There was only one area and it was very basic.
This isn't a scam, it's been around for awhile now and they have always seemed passionate.
I'm glad one of these "Is it a scam?" type videos ended up with the answer: no
What happened to nightmare world ?
Been here when you started dream world. Thank you for your content and insight for the world around us!
thanks for the kind words, it means a lot
It's so rare to see an actually good project reviewed for once! So happy to see it.
I kinda feel they should just start renting out their networking solution if it is this good. Seems like a good way to subsidize the development
down the line it likely will be something they do, its just not something that is complete in a way you would serve to a customer
@@CallumUptoni would like to get access to it somehow if its possible ❤
What annoys me the most, is that i bought the Honored License Pack back in the late summer of 2023. Then they started to give us Subscribtion Models to play constantly (but not the ones who bought the pack). Now i only can play new content when i support via Kickstarter. Its a huge mess and a punch to the face, to all who supported the game in the past and in its beginnings with the Packs. Therefore i will not give them any further money till release. Thats my point. Do what you want to do.
this sounds hella scummy of them
I'm curious and wish for the best for Scars of Honour. I would really like it to succeed and to see all the races up close in game. I hope if it launches, it actually has some fun faction interactions. Not just for pvp, but like if you can even chat with the opposite faction.
Man that was a long 'I'm biased, they paid me to consult'
On a related note; how's Nightmare World? I don't actively follow any news regarding it (only this channel) and it's been a while since a devlog came out.
I don't think Nightmare World was ever seriously in development. The dev logs were always focused on "look at this cool bucket our 3d artist made" instead of showing progress creating the actual core of the game.
What's insane is that Callum's claim to fame is "exposing Dreamworld" as a scam game, but then he turns around and claims he's launching a MMORPG game with a massive team of people and ZERO FUNDING.
The only person on the Nightmare World team who was reaping any benefit from the project was Callum, because it was driving traffic to his UA-cam Channel. Callum never gave a fuck about NightmareWorld. He created an official UA-cam channel for the project, just to turn around and continue posting all the dev logs on his channel.
Literally half Callum's comments are people asking about Nightmare World, and yet he acts completely oblivious. Nobody gives a fuck about his stupid NFT videos. The only reason people started following him after Dreamworld was because people wanted to see this volunteer game development concept go somewhere, but the end result was honestly kind of pathetic.
I used to like Callum's content, but he's stripped away anything interesting in favor of chasing the algorithm.
I played the beta, about a year and a half ago, and the game seemed nice. It was still far from completion, but the foundations were quite solid for such an early build. Haven't partecipated in another beta since then, but I am looking forward to see how it will shape up.
8:35 It is, though. Their old conceptual "footage" looked much better than what's on the screen now. Whatever standard of graphics they were aiming for they definitely missed it :(
I'm an introvert by nature ... but my best days in WoW were when I was in a big active, guild that yammered away about everything while we played .... as much as we played. Zerging a dungeon in retail WoW via dungeon finder is soulless and the opposite of fun.
That's how I found all my guilds back in early WoW. Join a group for some 5 man dungeons runs and we'd get chatting and find out they wanted to break into raiding and needed more people. The game completely lost that with the dungeon finder. I can count the number of times on my hand that I had a good conversation in a dungeon finder group, and then all being on different servers meant we'd go our separate ways afterwards. Gaming has worked too hard to remove the friction of social interaction.
As great as the gameplay might be... the bland, cookie-cutter art style and the actual name of the game pushes me away. "Scars of Honor" sounds like a mid-2000's fanfic written by a 12 year old. I hope they make some big changes and are able to succeed.
Social is nice but I like when it''s optional, even in a MMO.
This seems like a good game but certainly not for me. I want to be able to play the main plot alone if I want to. I want to be able to choose, during my gameplay, WHEN to interact with people. Having it being a core mechanic? No thank you, I prefer solo queueing in Levelling Roulette on FFXIV.
Until you spoke about the cross-platform stuff it had me really excited. Another game that was designed like this was Albion online. That combat system and stuff is really what holds it back imho, they still need to keep in mind the mobile players.
I no longer want scam expose, i want real good game release and successful
As of this post, Scars of Honor didn't reach the funding goal on kickstarter. Either they didn't advertise enough, or the project was victimized by the past bad reputation of kickstarter. Not many reviews about it were made either, which is sad, as it shows nobody knew of this project. Lets hope they are able to find other methods to fund it.
19:20 My only issue is that it creates an "in group". It's nice and all to see it as friends meeting up with friends, but it still makes a have and have-nots issue. The havers will only play with those that have and the have-nots will never have what the havers have because new people with bad gear no matter how skilled aren't welcome. There used to be flat damage scaling abilities that were good regardless of gear in WoW (see Rogue) but that ain't the case anymore. Everything is based on Item Level. Someone at 300 Ilevels deals 1000% less damage than someone at 350 Ilevel. The gap is massive, and it takes hours to increase it by even a bit. People have even less reason to ever consider helping a newbie.
there are ways they could help lower that which am excited to see
reminds me of the PVE main mode of Fortnite where all weapons are level capped when your in a lower level area so yes you did get a upgraded item but your not gonna one shot everything OH an you can just drop down any item for anyone so no such thing as have nots lol
Its almost like a dev saying "lets take "levelling" out back and give it a ciggy, a blindfold and wall to stand next to" would be a good idea.
uuh this description @@elLooto
It's the problem I have with endgame, difficult content on FFXIV. How am I supposed to complete the fist time this difficult content if all recruiting groups only accept people who completed it at least once?
But that is only a small part of the game not everyone does, not the main content.
@@00r0ry trying to remmber what game it was that had a function where a raid group of let say 20 was made up of 20 that where all had completed it several time there was no bonus drop.
if 5 out of 20 had not done the raid, then first the 5 would have there own mini drop table of catch up gear and rewards.
the other 15 people would then get access to a slightly increased drop table example the 2h axe half the raid was in there for would go from a drop rate of 1% to 2%. so there was always a intense to take if possible a few newbies whit you.
@3:44 is that a wild JSH appearing casually in the video?
The vest, the jawline... It's either Josh or Henry Cavill.
Hard to tell....no tea cup in hand....very suspicious @@Marauding_Llama
It's super refreshing to see you being able to praise an upcoming developer for a change. Not planning on playing myself, but this game looks really cool.
Kira says scam, Calum says not....battle of the ages.
We need Josh Strife Hayse to wiegh in to break the tie.
if you're refering to the Kira video, he actually says he doesnt think its a scam (assuming you are on about kiras video)
I wonder if heavy social mmo's can still work. Nowadays, nearly every game is about efficiency and people will say "oh I wish things were like they used to be", but when something comes out that implements the old ways, people find it boring or tedious. I hope this MMO will be a succes, we'll see.
A game that you got paid for to "consult" on isn't a scam?
Shocker...
No pay to win, no microtransactions, and free to play ... I can't be the only one wondering, how will this product make money then?
Hey there! Monetization will be focused around cosmetic purchases that let you customize everything about your appearances, without giving you any stat boosts.
@ScarsofHonor
Since the kickstarter failed, do people get their money back, or do you keep it?
This video took me on a journey while driving to work. From wanting to hate a game, to me feeling bored and uninterested, to being very interested. I'd be down for getting it once it comes out
I set my playback to 4k because the video seemed blurry only to realize the camera was just out of focus a bit. Lol.
I've been wandering the internet looking for a game I can sink my time into recently, but, for me, a game looking for investors is a no-go. From my experience, investors have a tendency of making fun games into predatory cash cows. I get that it's expensive to make a game, especially an MMO, but once the genie is out of the bottle, it's very hard to put it back in, and if you get greedy investors who just want money and don't care about the game, which is most investors, then that's how you end up with games that are forbidden from taking exciting risks and have to be as accessible to the masses as possible and have to monetise in 500 different ways.
Maybe I'll take another look at this game in a few years, once whatever investors this attracts have had a chance to sink their teeth into the management of this game, but right here and now, I don't have the heart to watch a game devolve before my eyes again into a greedy mess.
you should revisit the oldies ... like chronicles of delirium, earth 2 and dreamworld! we need updates mah dude!
Dungeon finder was answer to people not being able to group up with others. It allowed more people to participate.
Forced grouping is actually the largest aspect I depise in MMOs. Being content blocked because some groups just wont include anyone else. then there's the really bad design of roles, forcing specific team compositions.
I'd rather just play a true co-op game.
It's an kickstarter mmo, it's more likely than not to be a scam. Maybe they didn't plan it to be a scam, but they always are.
Always a positive surprise when it is not.
Getting an old school runescape/guild wars vibe. Looks interesting and as a SUCKER for virtual gifts the idea of a virtual mansion sounds pretty sweet^^
9500 Euro and you will get a mansion :D It is a big number but it is a hell of a package.
@@kashjirJesus Christ
Great video, Would personally love to see you do updates on Dreamworld / Nightmare World and Earth 2 too.
With all the scams we've had of late, its encouraging that there are developers trying to do right by their costumers.
Genuinely refreshing to see passion and competence from an indie dev team. What a cluster of novel concepts!
Removing the stumbling block BEFORE you run into it.
Utilizing the extensive knowledge base of the UA-cam Cabal for your benefit instead of fighting them.
CEO is hands on
Dude, you've been paid to fly over there and consult with them. That is literally one of the definitions of "working for somebody." You are not EMPLOYED by them, but you are working for or at least with them.
Man's obviously biased.
Not sure how to feel about the title of the video. Plenty of people just read headlines and video titles and then just make up opinions based on that without reading/watching. I've never heard about this MMO and this video got me really excited for it tbh, but if I didn't watch it I'd assume there's an MMO called Scars of Honor that is a scam.
Also it was really cool seeing you and Josh in Bulgaria and meeting the devs!
Makes me sad that scams have become so common and sophisticated that it's starting to threaten the ability of legitimate projects to succeed. I think investors using crowd funding as a way to judge interest in a project is an abuse of the good will of backers and the intent of crowd funding, but there are projects that really need crowd funding to be possible, and it sucks that there are projects that likely will fail because it's become so difficult to tell what's real and what's just another scam. I don't blame people for their skepticism, I blame the crowd funding platforms for being too greedy to take real steps toward weeding out scams. Anyway, this looks like a cool game, I hope it's successful.
I absolutely agree with you except on the point of investors using KS to judge interest in the project... judging market interest in your project is one of the things Kickstarter is _supposed_ to be useful for, but the complete mismanagement of the platform has lead to the focus of projects being on crowdfunded money rather than successful projects.
You used to be able to list a project and have backers indicate their interest with a nominal amount like $5, so the creator could understand the level of interest before they worked out the scale & cost of full production, as well as gather important data to help bring in large investors. They would then load their pledge tiers on the project page and if you still wanted to back it you could just pay the difference.
Ideally most of the projects on KS would only require a portion of their project to be crowdfunded as that would dramatically increase the chances of success. Kickstarter crowdfunding is seed money for a project from the people who would be the end consumer... it's not a purchase of a fully costed-out product
The problem is that KS does nothing to help the creators (who often have little to no business management experience & lack the skills to accurately cost out their project), nor the backers. It was supposed to help "kickstart" projects by connecting like-minded people to create niche products & art... but they've let it become GoFundMe for scammers and a minefield for legitimate projects to try to navigate.
What happened to Nightmare World?
I think the rest of the Nightmare World team realized the only person who was reaping any benefit from the project was Callum, and so everybody just gave up
Was sold before you even started the pitch. OG gamers know that tone of a project/team that is passion over profit. Its a new business model and that is reasonable to get that proof of concept/market demonstration to secure the last bit of distribution and release stabilization funding
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I'm not huge on MMOs and such anymore, but it's cool to see an actual studio making an actual game these days.
There was a priest I saw, was lucky to be in Dungeons/raids with who could do great heals and was always number one DPS. It was the WOTLK expansion and I wish I could remember the handle of the toon lol.
I really like the video and it is promising that you are sort of proud of the developer for laying down a network fundament first. However to me this is just too early in development to get me on board. As you mentioned in the video it feels a bit too heavy influenced by wow. I am getting "Hord vs Alliance with almost the same races and classes on a budget"-vibes. To be honest the addition of a pirate is the only thing that is different. If the the shadows, shaders and models are staying in the currently chosen style and artdirection it is a hard no for me. I don´t need hyperrealism, but I need something fresh. Too many games nowadays that are stylized are leaning to heavy into the WoW formular. Also the aoe particle effects displayed in their videos are too noisy. As they aim for Crossplay it is a sad reality that we won´t have an artstyle like Elden Ring. I will follow this but to be honest it´s more of a "let´s see how the game is doing when it´s out for 6 month" kind of situation.
So its not a scam, but it is a quixotic quest. I am sorry; but a million towards making an MMO is a drop in the bucket. Calling it retro or old-school wont change that fact. I have seen high-level systems maps of an MMO and the entire game is just one square on a large diagram. The other squares are things like 'data center', 'server fail-over cluster', 'pay system', '24x7 customer support system' and more. I don't know why people don't seem to follow that the only analog to launching a MMO is launching your own ISP. Could anyone launch an ISP with 1 million? I doubt 10 million is even close. What they should have done is take that million and make a solid single player or limited-scope multiplayer game and work their way up towards the 'Holy Grail' of making an MMO.
Well glad it's not a scam, but hard pass on the old school nostalgia of people being friends in an MMO making the game loop core. Unless you invest ALOT into staff dealing with bans, filters and general help in keeping the worst people from being nasty assholes to other players, this is not my thing, and I don't see it taking off for your average player who wants to play online and will never have the numbers to make it sustainable.
Not hoping it fails, more power to small teams making what they want, I hope it finds it's niche for enough people to work.
where did you get your bug friend? ive been asking for more information about this for a long time without answer.
hey! i actually ahve replied to you before but i'll post it here, it was listed on etsy a while back but no longer is. i hope its something you can find. i searched "Orchid Mantis Plushie" way back when i got it :D
@@CallumUpton sorry, i must have not noticed the notification or lost my memory or something. Thank you for the information! i think it is very original!
I've been a backer of this game since the last video you made on it, to be honest I've only briefly participated in one beta test and wasn't too impressed by what I saw at the time but they do in fact *have* a game so... There is that
Tfw term "old school mmo" only gives you idea about wasting as much time on most menial things ever
Between Callum and Josh Hayes both consulting on the mmo, I'd be willing to give this one a huge benefit of the doubt.
i've backed the game bc it looks like a lot of fun and even if i play palia, it still doesn't feel that social, y'know?
Real Talk - What happened to Nightmare World? Is it abandoned? Is it silently in development? You got an investment offer a while back too, did you accept something that had you sign an NDA?
Been a while since we heard anything about Earth 2, would be nice to get an update.
TBF I feel there's a lot of that feeling of community you are talking about in FFXIV. Though I pretty much stopped playing a couple of years ago so I dunno if things have changed that much. However I always found myself conversing/befriending absolute strangers on there all the time. Their answer to the dungeon finder vs make your own party was to just have both. If you think you can beat whatever it is you're queueing for with any old random person you just queue up and get whoever you get. However if you feel you need more experience or someone with a decent item-level you just put your party on the party-finder, tells people what you are wanting to fight, who is already in your party, what i-level you want them to be, whether you want someone who's already beaten it before or not, etc, etc. It worked stupidly well, can't tell you how many times we were down a man for a raid and we put the party on the party-finder and 9/10 times we got an absolute beast join to help us that we end up adding to our friends list or linkshell so we can contact them again if we need them.
Seems like it could be good. Hopefully it goes well. Unfortunately they did pick all the red flags for their title and description.
MMO with a small investment size, as we know usually means they're overpromising. F2P usually means lots of monitorization and in-your-face shops, adverts, etc. "Community Driven" usually means "lacking content". Old-School for a lot of people can just mean a WoW or Runescape clone.
What kind of story do they have in it? I think some MMOs rise and fall based on the quality of their stories, quests and dungeons. For example, I really didn't find Star Wars The Old Republic interesting in a gameplay sense, but still finished the game because the story for the imperial intelligence officer I was playing was so good. Similarly, a lot of the game systems in ESO online were good but I couldn't tell you a thing about the story, other than I remember starting the game in Coldharbour, and I ended up dropping it pretty quickly.
I hope all the crafting has mini-games to go along with them. Skill based challenges that are made easier by your crafting levels and that ultimately determine the quality of the item you create. It would mean that 'skilled crafters' are more than just high level players. Making it possible to craft the literal best gear is kinda essential to the longevity of crafters otherwise why would you ever get a crafted weapon when you could just farm a dungeon for the best in slot? If anything, the best crafted weapons should be the best weapons in the game, using materials you have to farm from high end dungeons (or buy from other players) and with custom stat rolls so you can fit them to a player's build.
Also a skin system so you can change it's appearance both before and after crafting. Though, you might lose the ability for players to recognize items if they're hidden by skins, which could detract from the social aspects. I assume there'll be a skin system though, because that's where they'll be hoping to get microtransactions since they're not going to have pay to win mechanics and it's free to play.
A long lived MMO should ideally have engaging grind at every stage. Waiting 3 hours for a crafting bar to fill up would suck, for example. Doing 3 hours worth of mini-games until you get a perfect score and create the best version of the item you cant to craft is much much more entertaining, and will extend the life of the game by a lot for many players. (Some players do prefer idle gameplay, but in my experience once players start engaging with idle mechanics, it's basically them leaving the game but slowly. Plus, you can't compete with Black Desert Online when it comes to idle gameplay.)
Combat is an awkward one. Hopefully it'll be interesting with status effects and whatnot that you can stack on enemies. Click and auto-attack often struggles to be engaging and larger battles can end up a mess of big effects that make it difficult to actually see anything. Maybe a system like elemental combinations would be really good for that kind of combat system. Splash an enemy with a water skill then zap them with a lightning bolt for a short stun or something. That kind of thing could really liven up otherwise boring combat.
I mean, I'm assuming it'll be right click to auto-attack with a skill bar. Black Desert Online's combo system is a masterpiece, but no doubt is out of the reach of a small independent developer like this. Either way, hopefully they don't go the BDO route of "murder mobs for 4 hours every day to get a bit of money and in 2 years you might afford an endgame sword".
Hopefully the combat is good since it tends to be the focal point of any MMO. If all the crafting systems build toward enabling combat then the combat has to be good for the other systems to be worth engaging in.
All in all, too many uncertainties for me to drop money on the game. Also I'm poor and that's, uh, totally not the main reason. But I really hope it gets the funding it needs to see the light of day and I hope the devs end up impressing me with the systems in the game.
Sooooo, this was such good promotion that I had the Kickstarter app open within the first minute of the video and was looking at the game as you spoke. And I pretty quickly decided to get in on the Early Bird and back it because even if it turns out the game isn't my cup of tea (I'm usually a very solo player) I like what they're doing and want to show support. And then at the end of the video I realized you had a link I should have used. Sorry for jumping the gun and not giving you proper credit!
Bro first awesome vid, but has anyone noticed how healthy and good looking this dude has gotten! Idk what ya doing for ya health but its working
Never heard of this game before this video, but I was won over with the discovery that I can play as a bear. I hope this game succeeds. I'll probably throw their kickstarter a few dollars to help.
Totally loving the fact that Josh Strife Hayes is gently smiling into the camera.
The one way you can tell it’s real, is they’re making this thing currently at a loss, sure they may earn that money back through sales, but scams put no effort in and run with super cheap stuff to lose as little money they’re given as possible.
22:50 This right here is true in many ways. It's the reason why we still play games from the olden days. Yes, it looks bad. Yes, it might be nostalgia. But what we find in these games isn't the graphics, but in which we find them genuinely fun. It's why I still play old Gamecube and N64 games to this day, especially ones that I have never played before.
I don't want to say I'm excited because we all know how those usually go, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this game. A lot of that optimism comes from the fact that Josh and Callum are promoting it because I think Callum and Josh have built up enough goodwill to at least earn some faith for the project they are involved with.
think there is just so much crap free to play mmo's out there that there isn't as big as a market for it anymore.
*Everything coming from Kickstarter can be considered a scam or con of some kind. DO NOT put money into anything at Kickstarter.*
When has kickstarting a new MMO ever worked? If so, how many have actually succeeded? I think I'll pass. Too many of these types of titles fail to be worth the investment.
That they are consulting about their ideas sounds (at least to me) like a big flag that it is not a scam!
Scars of Honor sounds more like the title of an Avatar the Last Airbender game made around Prince Zuko.
Just cosmetics on a visually simplified online game ? You attract whales with pay-to-win or pretty skins to brag in front of little fish.
They will need to add a suscription, maybe as a battlepass or something similar. Maybe an end-game access ?
Anyway good luck to them ! They seem to be good people doing their best.
Sure the game looks 15-10 years old BUT what matters is, IS IT FUN???
These days I rather spend time playing older games that will even run on your bloody laptop, knowing they are FUN.
16:11 Everquest too = Norath is their world name.
I used to maintain two level 19 twinks - Alli Mage and Horde Rogue. When the cries of Twinks in the BG went out I logged in and started bullying them. There was a hunter that ran in fear from my rogue - chain sapping them for five minutes will do that ;)
The CEO sounds like the MMO version of Austin Meyer, just getting his head down and programming. (I know some aren't huge fans of Austin but I think he's a cool guy.)
I always hope and wish the best for game devs. Its never an easy job and its a lot of risk. It doesnt need to be the biggest and flashiest, just make it well with what it is and we will follow. Look at small games like vampire survivors! If its awesome, we will be flocking to play.
It’s a wow replica. Creators of the game weren’t good gamers with any imagination. Smfh.
The main thing I don't like..... No subscription. I know it sounds weird, but F2P games always end up with funding problems. By me as the playing paying for a service, it means they get some income to keep it going, on the flip side there comes the contract that they are then invested to continue to keep the service going to continue the revenue stream. I also thing it looks good to investors.
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Old school MMO, on mobile, without tab targeting? Kinda lost me there.
Nothing more fun than spamming LFG channels for 30 minutes to find a party, then walking another 20 minutes to a dungeon, and the tank has to go because something came up. Peak gameplay.
SOH HYPE SOH HYPE 😉
If they own a server, it's huge. Renting is so fcking expensive nowadays..
I don't think SoH is a scam MMO at least not intentionally but when I first saw the game my immediate thought was that is is gonna fail and I still think it's probably gonna fail
as with any kickstarter or game in general its entirely a possibility!
I was pretty optimistic about this game, but i watched some longer gameplay videos now, yikes! yeah i cant imagine this game is gonna do very well either.... sadly, but time will tell
kickstarter or not, they really do need to change the resemblance to WoW.
Activision-Blizzard Lawyers now has Microsoft Lawyers in their corner!
10:09 why does josh strife hayes look so unreasonably handsome? Is it the vest? is it a secret +20 charisma item?
Not gonna lie, you had me quite excited up till you mentioned they're too WOW inspired. I hope they'll back off of that a bit at least.
In 1985 I wrote a text adventure called "Badgers revenge". It wasn't a scam. It was shit though.
Did I see JSH?
You did
If you look into their youtube account, Josh went to their offices and had an interview :)
It is a scam, in the same way as the “Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing by filming on the actual moon” meme is a scam
"Orks and Pig People"
So, Orks and Japanese Orks.
It doesn't even really look like Azeroth. The islands are completely different. The only similar thing is the name starting with an A and the map looking old.
Ah it looks neat. MMOs are really not my thing, but they seem so passionate. I hope they get a random breakthrough because its not looking promising re: Kickstarter.
You know if this game will be on Xbox and/or PlayStation?
ugh. Free to Pay MMO. Quite an interest killer for me. About the only MMOrpg that had something awesome to it was SWOTR, and that content is basically what you'd see in offline games.
People are still brain dead buying into this crap (among other things). They certainly aren't doing anything healthy to the gaming industry. I almost strongly wish I'd land a few billion dollars to form my own team so I'd have all the games I actually want to play.
@Callum: Seriously can you stop making your videos that fucking blurry? Is your potatoe cam hardcoded with this setting?
well , i dont know if this is a scam or ot ! but i have seen other youtubers give the impression it it free to play , BUT whe you go to sign up for this you need to pay . so im blaming these other you tubers for confusion and all too
Not sure if interested in the game, but maybe I'll chip in with a fiver. However, this was an interesting look behind the scenes for me. Thanks!
16:00 minutes in and I can't help but feel like this entire video is just a giant advertisement. I usually respect your work Callum, but I think you've really got too lost in your biases for this video. It's very hard to believe anything you're saying when you're so close to the project and endlessly gushing about every point of its development beside the state of the map. I can trust your opinion is truthful as you perceive it, but I'm not sure I trust your perspective in this case.
This probably should have been a smaller, more unbiased video only highlighting your connections to the project and explaining why that makes it inappropriate for you to comment on.