@kylechristianson7667 I met him in 2007 and man those forearms were unbelievable in person. The best way to describe them would be to say a small person's head was trapped under the skin in his forearms - they were that wild. He was very approachable and friendly and an absolute NUGGET of muscle. Great experience
Dorian as an aesthetic mass monster was unseen before his reign but appreciate Big Ron's conditioning, especially the bicep vein. Some of his training videos and at-home footage makes him really look like an alien. Both have incredible strong points with Ronnie for his chest and back, Dorian for back, forearms, and calves. Two of the greatest of all time, for sure.
Coleman was NOT 20 lbs lighter in '96 than in '98. He was almost the same size - 242 in '96 vs 246 in '98. It's just that his conditioning in '98 was much, much better than '96. In '96, Yates was 265 - 23 lbs more than Ronnie, and even though not Yates' best year, his conditioning still owned everybody on stage.
Coleman’s conditioning pretty much sucked in his mass monster days. However, in his defense, so did everyone else’s. His bubble gut was always such a turn-off in my mind.
@@tankhank7511 ronnie himself said he was 232 233in 95 and in 96 15 lb heavier...magz say he was 255 in 97. 247 250 in 98....yates was 256 un 96 over deoleted
He's right Ronnie's conditioning was never like Dorian. Look at the midsection and low back in any pose it's no contest. People get bamboozled by Ronnie's legs and arms.
Hey Mark. Special request: would it be possible, on occasion, or just once, to superimpose the dimensions of a standard door frame over some of these dudes? I know they're all huge, but it's easy to lose perspective of just how huge they are.
As far back as ‘93, Dorian and magazines quoted his weight as 269 pounds in the 3 week out photo shoot. Dorian has always quoted this number, consistently, in the 30 (!) years since. Not 278. I liked Ronnie when he was better conditioned/had a smaller waist. His proportions were otherworldly, his waist tiny. This blown-out version of Ronnie is just okay.
They did 2 photoshoots, one 6 weeks out and the other 3 weeks out. Naturally, weights were different. So all this is just mumbo jumbo and mixing the two. Dorian was high 270s in the 6 week out photoshoot
dorian will always beat ronnie on 4 of 7 official poses ]only dorks think ronnie is better because he has better bodyPARTS which aint how shows are judged
@@josephohrablo4866 98 too small with gyno, barely beat a Jimmied up Flex Wheeler by mere 3 points. That's practically as close as it gets in competition 01 he was 2nd place to Jay Cutler in the prejudging. Unbeatable huh
If they both were in their prime at the same time, i believe Dorian wouldnt chase conditioning that much, and he wouldnt fuck up his arms training that hard at 4% bodyfat, Ronnie wouldnt have 8 titles.
yes, Dorian purposefully dried himself out even more for '92 because Haney was gone and his competition were smaller, conditioned and aesthetic guys like Ray and Labrada. He didn't need to play the mass game against them. Then he started ramping up in size once Levrone, Nasser, Dillet and others came onto the scene, then he needed to do that
this is a very good point. If the 2 actually faced off IRL they wouldnt prep the way they did its very likely that if ronnie had a shredded dorian on his heels he wouldnt be playing the size game in the 2000s like he did w Jay or gunther or the other way around, if dorian had a huge ronnie but not as shredded as 98, he wouldnt dry himself out and come in flat in the Olympia. i think this scenario would be very likely and it would benefit dorian more. Because when dorian came in on the flatter side he always lost a bit of the quad and arm size...2 areas where ronnie has a big advantage. If Yates comes in full that advantage of ronnie is greatly diminished.
Ronnie lost to a small Jay it's bizarre how people think he's beating prime Dorian. Ronnie was a mass monster he was never conditioned like Jay let alone Dorian.
I can’t believe the balls on some people saying Shawn should have won in 96 😂 Dorian was flat yeah but shredded out of his mind . Wasn’t close . Torn bicep and all
I agree. Every other pose besides the front lat is assessed in totality. However, for some stupid reason, people only care about the lats in the front lat pose. Doesn’t matter if every other body part is weaker. They only judge the lats.
Coleman was never consistent in the pose unlike Yates. Sometimes he looked great in it and sometimes he looked damn right bad. Dorian always looked great in it.
" It's about the whole body, not just the lats" and yet lats (tied to overall width and V taper that they directly influence with their development) are by far the body part given most attention in that pose. Just like biceps are in the front double, triceps in the side tricep... or the lats (again) in the rear lat spread. You are far more likely to win the pose with top tier lats and good everything else than top tier everything else and good lats. There's a reason why there are 8 completely different mandatory poses, if it was exclusively about the entire physique then why make the competitor do 3 front poses? surely 1 will be enough
@@whitebelt2905 4:10 calves? non issue Coleman's quads are bigger with worse separation and you can clearly see them being watery. Dorian is far drier and vascular while not even on stage by 3 weeks out. Midsection? does this even have to be mentioned? Dorian could be as blocky as Arnold and Cutler put together and still beat Coleman in the midsection. Lats are bigger, wider and of better quality on Yates. Why? They insert lower, they jet out more, and you can see the dryness and vascularity that Ronnie does not have, veins running across his left lat there. Forearms close but Dorian wins. So really, what does Coleman have over Dorian here? bigger but not as conditioned quads which cancel each other out? Bigger upper arms and a chest? Not enough in my opinion. Maybe if it were a pose where those 2 actually make a difference and play a big role, but most certainly not in the front lat
In fact, upper arms and chest are arguably at the bottom of the list priority wise Lats > overall width they provide > V taper they provide > Midsection directly influenced by previously mentioned > legs > conditioning. It is about the whole body in the end and how it flows, comes together, but let's not pretend that some things aren't more important and given preferential treatment in a given pose
No one beats Ronnie Coleman in his prime. That is why he is considered the GOAT by those who follow bodybuilding. You can have your favorites, but Coleman is beating him in his prime in the poses.
0 keep drinking that Kool-Aid Coleman never beat Dorian and he never would have beaten Dorian if Dorian doesn't get the injuries and retires Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all time The first Olympia he ever entered he finished second by half a point to the Great Lee Haney who's better than Ronnie Coleman by the way Ronnie Coleman is an overrated water filled mass He's just not that great sorry he's overrated he had a big belly and everything else sorry Dorian would have beaten him 10 out of 10 times which by the way he was 9 and 0 versus him
@@gameurai5701 its not a question of how much of the lower body they are the issue here is that care visible in every pose. Quads only matter in front poses, and to a far lesser extent in the side poses. Glutes only matter in 2 back poses. Hams matter in the 2 side poses and 2 back poses
@@TheLusianPopa As Arthur Shoppenhauner said: An overcomplicated view of mind is a sign of low intelligence or mental illness. Which are you? Ronnie is much better than Dorian. Much bigger glutes, thigs, hamstrings, chest, arms, delts. There are no poses where forearms and calves make the difference exceüt when Ronnie hits his side triceps lol. I've seen you bring up the weight bs before but Ronnie has much smaller wrists and ankles and bone structure in general than Dorian. Dorian would need to be 280 to compete with a 250 Ronnie, and 330 to compete with a 300lbs Ronnie. TL, DR; Ronnie dwarfs Dorian in almost every pose.
I could be wrong but, in my view: Yates- Forearm, triceps, rear delts, side delts, back, hamstring, calves | Coleman- Biceps, front delts, abs, glutes, quads | Not sure about Traps and Chest
It's a shame we've never seen this version of Dorian on stage, in my opinion the perfect combination of as much mass as possible while maintaining an aesthetic, that was certainly ahead of its time.
@@paulbartlett5405 onstage it is Ronnie,he will easily defeat any version of Dorian in side chest,Front double,back double,most muscular,even in front lat spread in few years,Back lat spread depends on the year.Dorian lacked the Arms,chest, glute,hamstring,quads,upper traps of Ronnie,just he was good at mandatory poses ,Ronnie is a poor poser
I don't know how anybody could say Ronnie beats Dorian he never did beat Dorian no one ever brings up that he did go against him nine times and he lost every single time and I don't want to hear that that wasn't the same Ronnie Go look at Ronnie from 96 and 97 he was the same guy as he was in 98 he looked almost identical to when he won after Dorian retired Go look it up I challenge somebody he looks almost virtually identical and he couldn't touch during it and that wasn't even the best version of Yates I would argue 96 was one of the better versions of Yates though but that was after he had lost his bicep though when you go back to 93 he still had his bicep he still had everything Yates was unbeatable nobody builder that ever walked on stage could beat that version of Dorian Yates from 1993 in a contest being judged Dorian was beyond great it's not even close
@@OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt Dorian easily beats Ronnie in the side tricep and abs and thighs, comfortably in the front lat spread and Ronnie never in his life would've beaten Dorian "easily" in the back double. Completely a work of fiction on your part. Both rear poses could go either way.
Ronnie slaps Dorian 100% of the time all the time. Any way you break it even in 96 the writing was on the wall, Coleman had the wasp waist and the body part size to rival Dorian. Forearms and calves go to Dorian defacto but the rest is Colemanism. Even in 96 sans condition.
ronnie barely beat the backless soft fridge and a narrow syntoled soft wheeler and a legless backless levrone you think he has a field day with dorian? Dorian CRUSHED prime wheeler, ray, nasser, levrone....even they admit it . yeah im sure the back, abs go to dorian also. and guess what presentation and hardness to to yates also, even against "prime" ron
I think Dorian was far superior. Specially in condition. Having such conditions with so much mass is unbelievable. And when it came to the calves, you can forget about it, no competition there. Dorian all the way. Good video.
Pure Yates bias. Coleman had better separation and size in quads, better defined arms with bicep peaks and more overall crazy vascularity. Yates had a more round dense look and better calves and forearms. Ronnie had Better traps and the backs were both impressive, almost a toss up. It's intellectually dishonest to say that Dorian easily wins this. It's just avoiding glaring facts. It would be close. Realistically Ronnie's actual muscle structure is better than Dorian's, meaning he is just genetically more gifted with the X frame fairly narrow in the waist whereas Dorian had a wider blocky waist, Ronnie developed a bloated gut later of course but his waist was never blocky. Dorians muscle quality was grainy so he had extremely good conditioning but Ronnie had far supreme delt separation and striations with a very ripped look to him that's essentially unmatched by anyone in his weight class in body building history. His muscle flow, size, vascularity and dexterity wins against everyone to ever do it basically. His 98 and 03 prime is unbeatable. Also his lats were close to Dorian's, although Dorian was much better at the actual lat spread pose itself. Ronnie had a hard time properly displaying a good lat spread despite having some of the greatest lats pound for pound in history. Ronnie, Dorian and Derek lunsford realistically have the most impressive lats seen really.
@@MikeG82 If you had wide clavicles they would show regardless your bodyweight. Dorian had thicker lats than Ronnie mainly because he performed the Nautilus pullover as did Mike Mentzer, and Casey Viator.
Yates was wide....Haney was freakishly wide you can say the same thing about ronnie, he was visibly narrower, structurally than Jay...who was also freakishky wide Ronnie managed to LOOK wider than he was by having huge quads, arms ...
Special request for the fans : mass monsters off season competition : Greg Kovacs - Victor Richards - Dallas McCarver - Markus Ruhl - Dorian Yates - Ronnie Coleman - Lee Priest - Jay Cutler - Kevin Levrone - Nasser - Gunther - Rammy- Phil Heath
I love both of these dudes equally as inspirations, and could never pick my favorite between them. Dorian in ways reminds me of a bigger Lunsofrd (especially in that rear double) -- back is strong beyond the strength of everything else (tho Dorian also has legendary calves and forearms), and hardness and condition that is leagues beyond (especially from the back), but the rest is semi middle of the road. Yates reminds of of a bigger Heath, though not as picture-esque -- rounder and bubblier from top to bottom, and leg size and development (as well as arm size and development) that stands out from every angle. No objective way to decide between them, they are both the legends among legends and each brings strengths the other doesn't have. I'm grateful to have lived through both of their reigns.
Dorian takes the side tricep and he can have the front lat as a bonus. Ronnie takes everything else. Its not a blowout from behind- Dorian is pretty close in the back, definitely harder, but is getting COOKED in the arms, v taper and lower body. If Dorian had very impressive arms and more quad sweep, id say then hed probably be the goat buuuut he didnt, chest wasnt impressive either
@@Jesse-df9fz though this comparision is unfair in this pics,he easily wins over Ronnie,that back lat spread is humongous,even his puny chest looks huge here
ronnie is NEVER beating dorian on abs thigh or rear lat spread EVER In fact dennis james, chris aceto, dave palumbo, chris cormier, kevin levrone ALL said dorian had a better back lat spread than coleman ALL OF THEM Not only does dorian have wider lats, but whole back is much harder he has those striated triceps and better rear delts he has just as conditioned hamstring/glutes but BLOWS ronnie away in the calves i have news for you buddy, doiran beat lots of guys that had way better arms, tapers and prettier quads.... LOADS chest was thick and dense as stone, and he hit the side chest POSE bettr than coleman, who btw had a massive distension in that shot, and a side leg on top of drumsticks
Dorian being more condiotioned than Ronnie is an absolute myth, Ronnie had much better separation and his lower body and arms were drier sharper and bigger from every possible angle, was Dorian harder and grainier? sure but look at that most muscular, Ronnie looks even harder while being sharper than Yates. And in 2003 Ronnie was just as contioned as 98 and 99 so that statement is just false and he was able to be just as contioned as Ronnie while having a fullness and roundness to his muscle that Yates could only dream of so its a better trade off.
@@paulorocha1772 4:10 are you purposefully being oblivious, or? Dorian is destroying Coleman in the legs conditioning wise. Coleman naturally had thick skin in his calves and quads, if you take off the cuckoo glasses you'll see that Dorian's calves and quads are far drier and more vascular. Look at the inner thighs, Coleman's are washed out with barely any vascularity and aren't separated like elsewhere. Look at the top of the thighs near the midsection, look how deeply Dorian's quads are inserted (Sartorius muscle). Coleman doesn't have that. Even a visually impaired person can see that Coleman's legs are more watery, less vascular, not as dry.
@@dj_m19 "destroying" lol ur the one being oblivious, Dorians rectus femoris blends in with the tear drop and outer sweep while u can clearly distinguish each of Ronnies quad muscles plus dont forget that black and white and the pictures being taken most likely after a workout does wonders for you not to mention if u compared Yates against 98 or 2003 the diference would be even more glaring. "Thick skin" in the quads is just not true as he has one of the biggest, most vascular (Dorian never actually had that vascularity on stage where it actually mattered in the quads) and most separated sets of quads of all time and the calves although not very impressive when it came to the insertions and shape were certainly very sharp aswell. And historically no one has ever won a Mr Olympia because of better calves, Dorian is the only multi time Mr Olympia who had a top 3 set of calves of all time so calves dont and have never won any major show.
@@paulorocha1772 "Dorians rectus femoris blends in with the tear drop and outer sweep while u can clearly distinguish each of Ronnies quad muscles" and at the same time his vastus lateralis and medialis are clearly discernable, while that's not the thing with Coleman's quads. Take a look at the adductors and femoris, Dorian's are clearly more cut out, visible, drier and more vascular. He has veins running all over his legs and every single part of what constitutes "quads" you can name. Coleman's inner thighs are washed out, a big space of nothingness up to the tear drop. " plus dont forget that black and white and the pictures being taken most likely after a workout does wonders for you " Dorian didn't train legs that day while Coleman did pump his legs back stage, as all competitors do before they step on it. Surely you knew this? Better go back and edit that part of your comment. Thick skin has nothing to do with size of any body part, you nonce. Riddle me this genius, why did Coleman's glutes and hamstrings always look 6 weeks drier than the rest of his physique, quads included? 10:00 why does his back look watery, far far less conditioned than his glutes and hamstrings. His calves also look less conditioned in every way. All you need to do is take off the bias eyes and see for yourself, I can't be looking for you.
Ppl can look it up but Dorian has stated in multiple interviews he would over-diet on purpose cause condition was so important then . These are Dorian 6 week pics from his gym. He would beat Coleman cause he actually looks somewhat aesthetic while Ronnie’s biggest body part is his gut . Ronnie might have been 280 or 290lbs but did it matter when 50-60lbs was in his gut? Ronnie is arguably the goat but he never had Dorian’s level of grainy hardness ever. Ppl criticized Dorian’s waist but in that time the top guys had smaller waists . Ronnie had a 40 inch waist even dieted down. Ppl seem willing to look past that . Both are phenomenal and a clear 1-2 overall all time . As much as that bothers Phil or Jay fans .
When I first saw the black and white pictures of Dorian 3 weeks out I had long since seen Ronnie Coleman and when I saw Dorian’s pictures I said what the fuck.
No, my man: Ronnie wasn't 20 pounds lighter in 96 vs. 98. If anything, he weighed close to the same bodyweight; i.e., 245-250. However... Ronnie was leaner and much drier in 98, so he did lose some fat and water and added a few pounds of lean tissue in all the right places.
I have a hot take. Ronnie at his prime wasn't very aesthetically pleasing to look at... More lean mass doesn't always make you look better. When Ronnie, "says he was natural" he looked a lot better. It's debatable if he was natural at that time though.b
Great effort however Dorian was 279 and Ronnie was 277 not 287 or whatever so why do you keep saying Ronnie was bigger? Dorian looks bigger and harder, he wins most poses and I think his legs are the same as Ronnies not smaller. And every other body part Dorian is bigger! Anyway again great effort.
Dorian all day long. The symmetry he brings with the massive dense muscle. Then being shredded that big. No one was bigger than Craig Monson in the end.
I thought Coleman would be the clear winner but my soul I think I would give Dorian the win off these photos. I assume it would be different on stage though. For me Dorian wins: FDB, FLS, ST, RDB and RLS
in comparison to Ronnys extreme high muscle Volume + Dorian looks in my eyes like an classic bodybuilder much more dry and not to big Ronny is markus rule style but with much better genetic
You have to look at it like this Marx. Ronnie never beat Dorian. Ronnie had a little advantage because years later Ronnie knew what he had to do inorder to be bigger and better than Dorian. Flip the script and Dorian would of know what was needed to be better than Ronnie. That's why I put Dorian one position higher than Coleman on the best of all time. Dorian's calves and forearms smoke Ronnie's. Dorian's back is better also. I was one of your 1st hundred subscribers and now your at 50,000. Congratulations!
Ronnie never beat Yates in competition 5times he went against him in the olympias and got destroyed he had his chance and could not take the heat end of discussion
1) front lat -Dorian 2) Back lat -Dorian 3) back double biceps- Dorian 4) side triceps-Dorian 5) Abdominal and Thighs- tie 6) side chest- Coleman 7) front Double biceps- Coleman 8) Most muscular-Coleman 4 for Yates to 3 for Coleman close one but shot for shot Dorian beats Coleman injury free. Yates already beat all including Coleman so no debate about this but if you break it down he will win as Yates brings incredible detail and conditioning grainy look with his physique that you don’t see Coleman bringing.
Dorian Yates, 3 weeks out from 93 Mr Olympia .... my favorite bodybuilder ever. Conditioning, size, hardness, grainyness, proportions, mass, the whole package. No bubble gut, just amazing.
To me, on those pics, Dorian's condition is enough, it's perfect balance condition/mass. Dorian win for me, my opinion, i don't want to match any else opinion.
I honestly believe Dorian wins the side shots and the back shots, the front lat - he has enough size and grainier condition, he loses the other front shots to Ronnie- it would be close as hell
I saw Yates in person guest posing weeks after an Olympia win back in the 90s in Vancouver. To say I was awe struck is an understatement. Ppl have said that pics and videos didnt give Yates justice and its true. The size and muscularity Yates had that day was a once in a life time sight.
People forget a small detail; Dorian prepared himself completely alone and bought his supplementation independently unlike Ronnie when he started being Champion, he always had “Dr. Death” by his side as a chemical advisor. The question is; how would Dorian have been physically in 1993 if he had had more money, more supplementation and more professional help in all that year?
If these two came toe to toe in there primes then Dorian would be joining Ronnie in a wheel chair. Because not one would have backed down. Dorian’s my favourite bodybuilder but Ronnie was the king. Sorry Dorian. Would have been the biggest face off in bodybuilding history tho. And then add cutler in there as well. That era was already dominated by the best string of bodybuilders in its history as well. So all throwing into that early to mid 90s . No wonder it was at its most popular period.
Its not really a bodyweight contest. A huge bodyweight on its own doesnt defeat Dorian if weight alone was so important guys like Markus Ruhl, Ramy or Nasser would have multiple Olympias Ronnie was very heavy in 2003-2004 no doubt. But he was softer than even a 6 weeks out Dorian. Especially in the back. Also he held alot of size in the WRONG PLACES-glutes ,midsection...
You said your self dorian is 3 weeks out but every pic of ronnie is on stage condition, ronnie may of been a bit bigger but he never had the grainy look of dorian and thats a fact,, Ronnie also had the bubble gut which is not a good look at all on stage,,,Certain posses ronnie might get the edge but both at their best dorian wins hands down FACT
Dorian would beat Ronnie 9/10 times in the front lat . That pic is the best Coleman ever hit it . Usually he shrugged his shoulders and ruined the whole pose . In that pic that was used yeah Coleman’s chest and abs and legs destroy Yates .
Yeah....no. calves? non issue Coleman's quads are bigger with worse separation and you can clearly see them being watery. Dorian is far drier and vascular while not even on stage by 3 weeks out. Midsection? does this even have to be mentioned? Dorian could be as blocky as Arnold and Cutler put together and still beat Coleman in the midsection. Lats are bigger, wider and of better quality on Yates. Why? They insert lower, they jet out more, and you can see the dryness and vascularity that Ronnie does not have, veins running across his left lat there. Forearms close but Dorian wins. So really, what does Coleman have over Dorian here? bigger but not as conditioned quads which cancel each other out? Bigger upper arms and a chest? Not enough in my opinion.
I appreciate Yate's forearms and calves as some of the very best ever.
Definitely calves. Forearms? Lee Priest, Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, Victoria Martinez - there were better for sure
@@accradata Lee priest had the best forearms of all time
@kylechristianson7667 I met him in 2007 and man those forearms were unbelievable in person. The best way to describe them would be to say a small person's head was trapped under the skin in his forearms - they were that wild. He was very approachable and friendly and an absolute NUGGET of muscle. Great experience
@@kylechristianson7667phil heath, Sergio oliva
@@accradatanegative bro
Dorian as an aesthetic mass monster was unseen before his reign but appreciate Big Ron's conditioning, especially the bicep vein. Some of his training videos and at-home footage makes him really look like an alien. Both have incredible strong points with Ronnie for his chest and back, Dorian for back, forearms, and calves. Two of the greatest of all time, for sure.
Coleman was NOT 20 lbs lighter in '96 than in '98. He was almost the same size - 242 in '96 vs 246 in '98. It's just that his conditioning in '98 was much, much better than '96. In '96, Yates was 265 - 23 lbs more than Ronnie, and even though not Yates' best year, his conditioning still owned everybody on stage.
Coleman’s conditioning pretty much sucked in his mass monster days. However, in his defense, so did everyone else’s.
His bubble gut was always such a turn-off in my mind.
@@tankhank7511 ronnie himself said he was 232 233in 95 and in 96 15 lb heavier...magz say he was 255 in 97. 247 250 in 98....yates was 256 un 96 over deoleted
@@TheLusianPopa you must be Dorian in his fake account
@@OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt why does the truth hurt?
He's right Ronnie's conditioning was never like Dorian. Look at the midsection and low back in any pose it's no contest. People get bamboozled by Ronnie's legs and arms.
Hey Mark. Special request: would it be possible, on occasion, or just once, to superimpose the dimensions of a standard door frame over some of these dudes? I know they're all huge, but it's easy to lose perspective of just how huge they are.
Great idea. Still don’t do justice for how big these Belgian blues are and is
Everyone who competed against both of the says Ronnie was better. Lee priest, flex wheeler, and kevin levrone, all said this.
Levrone is a friend of Yates and Priest has always called it like it is…
no they haven't lol
@@dj_m19 yes they have. Watch Jays podcast. Flex, Jay and Lee said it on there. And Kevin said it on a separate interview with generation iron.
@@bjf5027 Lee's never been on Cutler Cast...
@@dj_m19 they called him while they were on air
Dorian 6 weeks out has no bubble gut & is more conditioned & harder than Coleman 2003
Why can't he then look the same onstage
Comparing a photoshoot under optimal conditions vs on stage 😂
You smoking crack lol
@@OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt Because Dorian was more concerned about conditioning than size.
Dorian onstage is puny then this look,so it's not a fair comparision
As far back as ‘93, Dorian and magazines quoted his weight as 269 pounds in the 3 week out photo shoot. Dorian has always quoted this number, consistently, in the 30 (!) years since. Not 278.
I liked Ronnie when he was better conditioned/had a smaller waist. His proportions were otherworldly, his waist tiny. This blown-out version of Ronnie is just okay.
They did 2 photoshoots, one 6 weeks out and the other 3 weeks out.
Naturally, weights were different. So all this is just mumbo jumbo and mixing the two. Dorian was high 270s in the 6 week out photoshoot
Dorian was 269 lbs in those photos per report not 279
Dorian 1993 is the best physique ever
Understanding this is rhetorical, but literally nobody on the planet could or ever can beat prime Coleman. Colossus among giants.
dorian will always beat ronnie on 4 of 7 official poses
]only dorks think ronnie is better because he has better bodyPARTS
which aint how shows are judged
98 99 ,03 Olympia and 2001 Arnold Coleman is literally unbeatable
Heath 2011
@@jimjim5245 LOL doesnt even beat 01 Jay, 232 lb aka WAY TOO SMALL
@@josephohrablo4866 98 too small with gyno, barely beat a Jimmied up Flex Wheeler by mere 3 points. That's practically as close as it gets in competition
01 he was 2nd place to Jay Cutler in the prejudging.
Unbeatable huh
If they both were in their prime at the same time, i believe Dorian wouldnt chase conditioning that much, and he wouldnt fuck up his arms training that hard at 4% bodyfat, Ronnie wouldnt have 8 titles.
It’s possible.
If if if. If my mom had balls she'd be my dad.
yes, Dorian purposefully dried himself out even more for '92 because Haney was gone and his competition were smaller, conditioned and aesthetic guys like Ray and Labrada. He didn't need to play the mass game against them.
Then he started ramping up in size once Levrone, Nasser, Dillet and others came onto the scene, then he needed to do that
this is a very good point. If the 2 actually faced off IRL they wouldnt prep the way they did
its very likely that if ronnie had a shredded dorian on his heels he wouldnt be playing the size game in the 2000s like he did w Jay or gunther
or the other way around, if dorian had a huge ronnie but not as shredded as 98, he wouldnt dry himself out and come in flat in the Olympia.
i think this scenario would be very likely and it would benefit dorian more. Because when dorian came in on the flatter side he always lost a bit of the quad and arm size...2 areas where ronnie has a big advantage. If Yates comes in full that advantage of ronnie is greatly diminished.
Ronnie lost to a small Jay it's bizarre how people think he's beating prime Dorian. Ronnie was a mass monster he was never conditioned like Jay let alone Dorian.
Dorian’s side tricep the execution is amazing and how it shows him in his best light here especially is 🤯💪💪💪
I can’t believe the balls on some people saying Shawn should have won in 96 😂 Dorian was flat yeah but shredded out of his mind . Wasn’t close . Torn bicep and all
If you dont do squats , you don't get quad sweep. And Dorian was lacking there.
Coleman actually won the front lat tho. It's about the whole body, not just the lats..and colemans lats are comparable anyway
I agree. Every other pose besides the front lat is assessed in totality. However, for some stupid reason, people only care about the lats in the front lat pose. Doesn’t matter if every other body part is weaker. They only judge the lats.
Coleman was never consistent in the pose unlike Yates. Sometimes he looked great in it and sometimes he looked damn right bad. Dorian always looked great in it.
" It's about the whole body, not just the lats"
and yet lats (tied to overall width and V taper that they directly influence with their development) are by far the body part given most attention in that pose.
Just like biceps are in the front double, triceps in the side tricep... or the lats (again) in the rear lat spread.
You are far more likely to win the pose with top tier lats and good everything else than top tier everything else and good lats.
There's a reason why there are 8 completely different mandatory poses, if it was exclusively about the entire physique then why make the competitor do 3 front poses? surely 1 will be enough
@@whitebelt2905 4:10
calves? non issue
Coleman's quads are bigger with worse separation and you can clearly see them being watery. Dorian is far drier and vascular while not even on stage by 3 weeks out.
Midsection? does this even have to be mentioned? Dorian could be as blocky as Arnold and Cutler put together and still beat Coleman in the midsection.
Lats are bigger, wider and of better quality on Yates. Why? They insert lower, they jet out more, and you can see the dryness and vascularity that Ronnie does not have, veins running across his left lat there.
Forearms close but Dorian wins.
So really, what does Coleman have over Dorian here? bigger but not as conditioned quads which cancel each other out? Bigger upper arms and a chest? Not enough in my opinion.
Maybe if it were a pose where those 2 actually make a difference and play a big role, but most certainly not in the front lat
In fact, upper arms and chest are arguably at the bottom of the list priority wise
Lats > overall width they provide > V taper they provide > Midsection directly influenced by previously mentioned > legs > conditioning.
It is about the whole body in the end and how it flows, comes together, but let's not pretend that some things aren't more important and given preferential treatment in a given pose
Crazy I've been following bodybuilding long enough I had the Flex magazine with those Dorian pics.
No one beats Ronnie Coleman in his prime. That is why he is considered the GOAT by those who follow bodybuilding. You can have your favorites, but Coleman is beating him in his prime in the poses.
0 keep drinking that Kool-Aid Coleman never beat Dorian and he never would have beaten Dorian if Dorian doesn't get the injuries and retires Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all time The first Olympia he ever entered he finished second by half a point to the Great Lee Haney who's better than Ronnie Coleman by the way Ronnie Coleman is an overrated water filled mass He's just not that great sorry he's overrated he had a big belly and everything else sorry Dorian would have beaten him 10 out of 10 times which by the way he was 9 and 0 versus him
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr 1993 is the best Dorian,after that he regressed
@@jasonito23 yes but in this comparision he gets beaten
No, Ronnie bloated belly dancer
There are also many who follow bodybuilding who consider Dorian to be the GOAT. So there’s that…
Based off these photos, Dorian is superior! Massive granite statue like physique!
Calfs are half the leg and Dorian destroys him in that department and things of that nature
They are not half the leg they are like 1/3
@@donkbox7317 1/4th actually. Glutes, thighs, hamstrings and calves.
@@gameurai5701 its not a question of how much of the lower body they are
the issue here is that care visible in every pose. Quads only matter in front poses, and to a far lesser extent in the side poses.
Glutes only matter in 2 back poses.
Hams matter in the 2 side poses and 2 back poses
@@TheLusianPopa As Arthur Shoppenhauner said: An overcomplicated view of mind is a sign of low intelligence or mental illness. Which are you?
Ronnie is much better than Dorian. Much bigger glutes, thigs, hamstrings, chest, arms, delts. There are no poses where forearms and calves make the difference exceüt when Ronnie hits his side triceps lol. I've seen you bring up the weight bs before but Ronnie has much smaller wrists and ankles and bone structure in general than Dorian. Dorian would need to be 280 to compete with a 250 Ronnie, and 330 to compete with a 300lbs Ronnie.
TL, DR; Ronnie dwarfs Dorian in almost every pose.
And Ronnie destroys him in arms lol
I could be wrong but, in my view: Yates- Forearm, triceps, rear delts, side delts, back, hamstring, calves | Coleman- Biceps, front delts, abs, glutes, quads | Not sure about Traps and Chest
That is the most insane v taper ive seen on ronnie's back double
It's a shame we've never seen this version of Dorian on stage, in my opinion the perfect combination of as much mass as possible while maintaining an aesthetic, that was certainly ahead of its time.
That calves man, SIIIICK
It does not matter,I don't believe his bs of wantonly not bringing this look,every idiot is worldclass offstage.
I get angry he did not bring this look onstage,this version is far better then his onstage version, especially in side chest,rear lat spread
His calves were huge onstage too,almost same
The two best physiques to ever go on stage
I totally agree 👍
dorian vs ronnie will be debated until the heat death of the milky way
for me, it's dorian
@@paulbartlett5405 onstage it is Ronnie,he will easily defeat any version of Dorian in side chest,Front double,back double,most muscular,even in front lat spread in few years,Back lat spread depends on the year.Dorian lacked the Arms,chest, glute,hamstring,quads,upper traps of Ronnie,just he was good at mandatory poses ,Ronnie is a poor poser
I don't know how anybody could say Ronnie beats Dorian he never did beat Dorian no one ever brings up that he did go against him nine times and he lost every single time and I don't want to hear that that wasn't the same Ronnie Go look at Ronnie from 96 and 97 he was the same guy as he was in 98 he looked almost identical to when he won after Dorian retired Go look it up I challenge somebody he looks almost virtually identical and he couldn't touch during it and that wasn't even the best version of Yates I would argue 96 was one of the better versions of Yates though but that was after he had lost his bicep though when you go back to 93 he still had his bicep he still had everything Yates was unbeatable nobody builder that ever walked on stage could beat that version of Dorian Yates from 1993 in a contest being judged Dorian was beyond great it's not even close
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr what's Ronnie 's placings in 1996,1997?Your argument is flawed
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr 1993 may be,other versions r lack lustre
@@OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt Dorian easily beats Ronnie in the side tricep and abs and thighs, comfortably in the front lat spread and Ronnie never in his life would've beaten Dorian "easily" in the back double. Completely a work of fiction on your part.
Both rear poses could go either way.
Yates looks like the Farnese Hercules
Ronnie slaps Dorian 100% of the time all the time. Any way you break it even in 96 the writing was on the wall, Coleman had the wasp waist and the body part size to rival Dorian. Forearms and calves go to Dorian defacto but the rest is Colemanism. Even in 96 sans condition.
denial
ronnie barely beat the backless soft fridge and a narrow syntoled soft wheeler and a legless backless levrone
you think he has a field day with dorian? Dorian CRUSHED prime wheeler, ray, nasser, levrone....even they admit it .
yeah im sure the back, abs go to dorian also. and guess what presentation and hardness to to yates also, even against "prime" ron
@@TheLusianPopaall political wins you are a fool
C'mon Max, ya gotta get your facts straight brother haha. These famous black n white pics of Yates were NOT 3 weeks out, they were 6 weeks out.
Can you run some research on the drug cocktails that Yates used between 92 and 93 vs what Coleman used between 97 and 98?
Coleman was bigger but dorien was better. Better condition combined with size. Yates was the original mass monster and remained unrivalled
This is a great video
I think Dorian was far superior. Specially in condition. Having such conditions with so much mass is unbelievable. And when it came to the calves, you can forget about it, no competition there. Dorian all the way. Good video.
Pure Yates bias. Coleman had better separation and size in quads, better defined arms with bicep peaks and more overall crazy vascularity. Yates had a more round dense look and better calves and forearms. Ronnie had Better traps and the backs were both impressive, almost a toss up. It's intellectually dishonest to say that Dorian easily wins this. It's just avoiding glaring facts. It would be close. Realistically Ronnie's actual muscle structure is better than Dorian's, meaning he is just genetically more gifted with the X frame fairly narrow in the waist whereas Dorian had a wider blocky waist, Ronnie developed a bloated gut later of course but his waist was never blocky. Dorians muscle quality was grainy so he had extremely good conditioning but Ronnie had far supreme delt separation and striations with a very ripped look to him that's essentially unmatched by anyone in his weight class in body building history. His muscle flow, size, vascularity and dexterity wins against everyone to ever do it basically. His 98 and 03 prime is unbeatable. Also his lats were close to Dorian's, although Dorian was much better at the actual lat spread pose itself. Ronnie had a hard time properly displaying a good lat spread despite having some of the greatest lats pound for pound in history. Ronnie, Dorian and Derek lunsford realistically have the most impressive lats seen really.
3:15 - the rare smile from Dorian tells the story. I like Dorian’s proportions better, The abs, calves, forearms, he gets my vote but it’s close.
Probably not. But Ronnie can barely walk now. I know what i'd choose.
Dorian doesn't have wide clavicles you can see that when he stood next to Lee Haney.
That was baby Dorian, may as well say Ronnie was weak because he placed last at 92 Olympia
@@MikeG82 If you had wide clavicles they would show regardless your bodyweight. Dorian had thicker lats than Ronnie mainly because he performed the Nautilus pullover as did Mike Mentzer, and Casey Viator.
@@MikeG82 We're talking clavicular width, as in skeletal, no amount of absolute width from muscle mass changes that.
Yates was wide....Haney was freakishly wide
you can say the same thing about ronnie, he was visibly narrower, structurally than Jay...who was also freakishky wide
Ronnie managed to LOOK wider than he was by having huge quads, arms ...
@@JimSib1 1:20 plenty of clavicle width if you ask me, and he isn't even spreading out as much as Coleman is there :)
Special request for the fans : mass monsters off season competition : Greg Kovacs - Victor Richards - Dallas McCarver - Markus Ruhl - Dorian Yates - Ronnie Coleman - Lee Priest - Jay Cutler - Kevin Levrone - Nasser - Gunther - Rammy- Phil Heath
I love both of these dudes equally as inspirations, and could never pick my favorite between them. Dorian in ways reminds me of a bigger Lunsofrd (especially in that rear double) -- back is strong beyond the strength of everything else (tho Dorian also has legendary calves and forearms), and hardness and condition that is leagues beyond (especially from the back), but the rest is semi middle of the road. Yates reminds of of a bigger Heath, though not as picture-esque -- rounder and bubblier from top to bottom, and leg size and development (as well as arm size and development) that stands out from every angle.
No objective way to decide between them, they are both the legends among legends and each brings strengths the other doesn't have. I'm grateful to have lived through both of their reigns.
Dorian takes the side tricep and he can have the front lat as a bonus. Ronnie takes everything else. Its not a blowout from behind- Dorian is pretty close in the back, definitely harder, but is getting COOKED in the arms, v taper and lower body. If Dorian had very impressive arms and more quad sweep, id say then hed probably be the goat buuuut he didnt, chest wasnt impressive either
@@Jesse-df9fz though this comparision is unfair in this pics,he easily wins over Ronnie,that back lat spread is humongous,even his puny chest looks huge here
No, he doesn't win at all, let alone "easily,"
@@Jesse-df9fz He is dense as hell in these pics,much more conditioned too,dwarfs Ronnie here
Coleman never in his life would've beaten Dorian in the abs and thighs.
Do you people even follow bb-ing, or are you here to embarrass yourselves?
ronnie is NEVER beating dorian on abs thigh or rear lat spread
EVER
In fact dennis james, chris aceto, dave palumbo, chris cormier, kevin levrone ALL said dorian had a better back lat spread than coleman
ALL OF THEM
Not only does dorian have wider lats, but whole back is much harder
he has those striated triceps and better rear delts
he has just as conditioned hamstring/glutes but BLOWS ronnie away in the calves
i have news for you buddy, doiran beat lots of guys that had way better arms, tapers and prettier quads.... LOADS
chest was thick and dense as stone, and he hit the side chest POSE bettr than coleman, who btw had a massive distension in that shot, and a side leg on top of drumsticks
That fuckn rear lat spread of both Yates and Coleman is scary good...damn😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Dorian's conditioning makes all the difference. Dorian can retain his crazy conditioning while still being a mass monster more than Ronnie.
Dorian being more condiotioned than Ronnie is an absolute myth, Ronnie had much better separation and his lower body and arms were drier sharper and bigger from every possible angle, was Dorian harder and grainier? sure but look at that most muscular, Ronnie looks even harder while being sharper than Yates. And in 2003 Ronnie was just as contioned as 98 and 99 so that statement is just false and he was able to be just as contioned as Ronnie while having a fullness and roundness to his muscle that Yates could only dream of so its a better trade off.
@@paulorocha1772 4:10 are you purposefully being oblivious, or?
Dorian is destroying Coleman in the legs conditioning wise. Coleman naturally had thick skin in his calves and quads, if you take off the cuckoo glasses you'll see that Dorian's calves and quads are far drier and more vascular. Look at the inner thighs, Coleman's are washed out with barely any vascularity and aren't separated like elsewhere.
Look at the top of the thighs near the midsection, look how deeply Dorian's quads are inserted (Sartorius muscle). Coleman doesn't have that.
Even a visually impaired person can see that Coleman's legs are more watery, less vascular, not as dry.
@@dj_m19 "destroying" lol ur the one being oblivious, Dorians rectus femoris blends in with the tear drop and outer sweep while u can clearly distinguish each of Ronnies quad muscles plus dont forget that black and white and the pictures being taken most likely after a workout does wonders for you not to mention if u compared Yates against 98 or 2003 the diference would be even more glaring. "Thick skin" in the quads is just not true as he has one of the biggest, most vascular (Dorian never actually had that vascularity on stage where it actually mattered in the quads) and most separated sets of quads of all time and the calves although not very impressive when it came to the insertions and shape were certainly very sharp aswell. And historically no one has ever won a Mr Olympia because of better calves, Dorian is the only multi time Mr Olympia who had a top 3 set of calves of all time so calves dont and have never won any major show.
@@paulorocha1772 "Dorians rectus femoris blends in with the tear drop and outer sweep while u can clearly distinguish each of Ronnies quad muscles"
and at the same time his vastus lateralis and medialis are clearly discernable, while that's not the thing with Coleman's quads.
Take a look at the adductors and femoris, Dorian's are clearly more cut out, visible, drier and more vascular. He has veins running all over his legs and every single part of what constitutes "quads" you can name. Coleman's inner thighs are washed out, a big space of nothingness up to the tear drop.
" plus dont forget that black and white and the pictures being taken most likely after a workout does wonders for you " Dorian didn't train legs that day while Coleman did pump his legs back stage, as all competitors do before they step on it. Surely you knew this? Better go back and edit that part of your comment.
Thick skin has nothing to do with size of any body part, you nonce. Riddle me this genius, why did Coleman's glutes and hamstrings always look 6 weeks drier than the rest of his physique, quads included?
10:00 why does his back look watery, far far less conditioned than his glutes and hamstrings. His calves also look less conditioned in every way.
All you need to do is take off the bias eyes and see for yourself, I can't be looking for you.
@@paulorocha1772 and there's a video footage in color of the 1993 photoshoot, go watch it before you decide to embarrass yourself :)
This channels narrator is the jeff goldblum of bodybuilding
Ppl can look it up but Dorian has stated in multiple interviews he would over-diet on purpose cause condition was so important then . These are Dorian 6 week pics from his gym. He would beat Coleman cause he actually looks somewhat aesthetic while Ronnie’s biggest body part is his gut . Ronnie might have been 280 or 290lbs but did it matter when 50-60lbs was in his gut? Ronnie is arguably the goat but he never had Dorian’s level of grainy hardness ever. Ppl criticized Dorian’s waist but in that time the top guys had smaller waists . Ronnie had a 40 inch waist even dieted down. Ppl seem willing to look past that . Both are phenomenal and a clear 1-2 overall all time . As much as that bothers Phil or Jay fans .
When I first saw the black and white pictures of Dorian 3 weeks out I had long since seen Ronnie Coleman and when I saw Dorian’s pictures I said what the fuck.
No, my man: Ronnie wasn't 20 pounds lighter in 96 vs. 98.
If anything, he weighed close to the same bodyweight; i.e., 245-250.
However...
Ronnie was leaner and much drier in 98, so he did lose some fat and water and added a few pounds of lean tissue in all the right places.
Those black and white pics, I'd go with Yates
I have a hot take. Ronnie at his prime wasn't very aesthetically pleasing to look at... More lean mass doesn't always make you look better. When Ronnie, "says he was natural" he looked a lot better. It's debatable if he was natural at that time though.b
In a word: yes.
Great effort however Dorian was 279 and Ronnie was 277 not 287 or whatever so why do you keep saying Ronnie was bigger? Dorian looks bigger and harder, he wins most poses and I think his legs are the same as Ronnies not smaller. And every other body part Dorian is bigger! Anyway again great effort.
the 2 best ever in my opinion
Ronnie beat everyone because of his chest
Dorian all day long. The symmetry he brings with the massive dense muscle. Then being shredded that big. No one was bigger than Craig Monson in the end.
Ronnie has no calves by comparison
Ronnie is better in front lat spread actually,side triceps is so close but surprisingly yates here looks great in side chest,front double
Ronnies biceps Wow
This Dorian really is conditioned enough to compete in the 90s. I think he would potentially take Ronnie? But this was also before all the injuries.
I thought Coleman would be the clear winner but my soul I think I would give Dorian the win off these photos. I assume it would be different on stage though.
For me Dorian wins: FDB, FLS, ST, RDB and RLS
Dorian the good
this is 6 weeks out…
Like or not ronnie first olympia medal much more than dorian medal indeed
in comparison to Ronnys extreme high muscle Volume + Dorian looks in my eyes like an classic bodybuilder much more dry and not to big Ronny is markus rule style but with much better genetic
You have to look at it like this Marx. Ronnie never beat Dorian. Ronnie had a little advantage because years later Ronnie knew what he had to do inorder to be bigger and better than Dorian. Flip the script and Dorian would of know what was needed to be better than Ronnie. That's why I put Dorian one position higher than Coleman on the best of all time. Dorian's calves and forearms smoke Ronnie's. Dorian's back is better also. I was one of your 1st hundred subscribers and now your at 50,000. Congratulations!
Ronnie never beat Yates in competition 5times he went against him in the olympias and got destroyed he had his chance and could not take the heat end of discussion
Im convinced if Shawn Ray were taller he would definitely have a Mr. O
1) front lat -Dorian
2) Back lat -Dorian
3) back double biceps- Dorian
4) side triceps-Dorian
5) Abdominal and Thighs- tie
6) side chest- Coleman
7) front Double biceps- Coleman
8) Most muscular-Coleman
4 for Yates to 3 for Coleman close one but shot for shot Dorian beats Coleman injury free. Yates already beat all including Coleman so no debate about this but if you break it down he will win as Yates brings incredible detail and conditioning grainy look with his physique that you don’t see Coleman bringing.
This isn’t Ronnie’s best so why using this to compare with Dorian’s best?
Dorian Yates, 3 weeks out from 93 Mr Olympia .... my favorite bodybuilder ever. Conditioning, size, hardness, grainyness, proportions, mass, the whole package. No bubble gut, just amazing.
It was 269lbs...
It's a 4-4 like always in this comparison pretty much regardless of version
To me, on those pics, Dorian's condition is enough, it's perfect balance condition/mass.
Dorian win for me, my opinion, i don't want to match any else opinion.
I honestly believe Dorian wins the side shots and the back shots, the front lat - he has enough size and grainier condition, he loses the other front shots to Ronnie- it would be close as hell
I saw Yates in person guest posing weeks after an Olympia win back in the 90s in Vancouver. To say I was awe struck is an understatement. Ppl have said that pics and videos didnt give Yates justice and its true. The size and muscularity Yates had that day was a once in a life time sight.
1996 Grand Prix Dorian was his best.
Full Yates is unstoppable. Leave a little bit of granite on the table and he would've been so massive. He didn't need to do that to win though.
Ronnie's shoulders are 50% bigger
Way to use the worst pics for Ronnie 😂
Dorian beats Ronnie Coleman 6 times already
People forget a small detail; Dorian prepared himself completely alone and bought his supplementation independently unlike Ronnie when he started being Champion, he always had “Dr. Death” by his side as a chemical advisor. The question is; how would Dorian have been physically in 1993 if he had had more money, more supplementation and more professional help in all that year?
Interesting matchup 😅
JFC look at the back on Dorian at 9:25. That is the best back everrr
IDK Gorilla thats not just dead barbell weight!? That's actual living human flesh!
If these two came toe to toe in there primes then Dorian would be joining Ronnie in a wheel chair. Because not one would have backed down. Dorian’s my favourite bodybuilder but Ronnie was the king. Sorry Dorian. Would have been the biggest face off in bodybuilding history tho. And then add cutler in there as well. That era was already dominated by the best string of bodybuilders in its history as well. So all throwing into that early to mid 90s . No wonder it was at its most popular period.
read somewhere Jay said ronnie was only 277 in 03
279lbs Dorian vs 98 Ronnie please 🙏 💪
Nah, ronnie had a massive gyno that year.
Its not really a bodyweight contest.
A huge bodyweight on its own doesnt defeat Dorian
if weight alone was so important guys like Markus Ruhl, Ramy or Nasser would have multiple Olympias
Ronnie was very heavy in 2003-2004 no doubt. But he was softer than even a 6 weeks out Dorian. Especially in the back. Also he held alot of size in the WRONG PLACES-glutes ,midsection...
No way Dorian could take Ronnie
In hardness Ronnie was chicken
And dorien was wild boar
Dorian wins every rear pose. Easily.
No, the answer is hll naw!
You said your self dorian is 3 weeks out but every pic of ronnie is on stage condition, ronnie may of been a bit bigger but he never had the grainy look of dorian and thats a fact,, Ronnie also had the bubble gut which is not a good look at all on stage,,,Certain posses ronnie might get the edge but both at their best dorian wins hands down FACT
Not really. 279 pounds Yates was massive and conditioned but lacks definition and separation.
Dorians Forearms and Calves were much better, back just as good as Colemans
Rear Double : worst possible photo of Coleman. Contrast, shadows all messed up. Why even use the pic ?
@@CypressItalian True
Coleman’s gut is terrible compared to Yates.
Dorian in these pictures smokes him !
yates' best at any time/day couldn't even touch coleman's worst olympia win
Both sacrificed they're bodies to become and stay Mr. O
A photoshoot vs on stage pictures, this is never a fair comparison but still ronnie takes it
Dorian would beat Ronnie 9/10 times in the front lat . That pic is the best Coleman ever hit it . Usually he shrugged his shoulders and ruined the whole pose . In that pic that was used yeah Coleman’s chest and abs and legs destroy Yates .
Yeah....no.
calves? non issue
Coleman's quads are bigger with worse separation and you can clearly see them being watery. Dorian is far drier and vascular while not even on stage by 3 weeks out.
Midsection? does this even have to be mentioned? Dorian could be as blocky as Arnold and Cutler put together and still beat Coleman in the midsection.
Lats are bigger, wider and of better quality on Yates. Why? They insert lower, they jet out more, and you can see the dryness and vascularity that Ronnie does not have, veins running across his left lat there.
Forearms close but Dorian wins.
So really, what does Coleman have over Dorian here? bigger but not as conditioned quads which cancel each other out? Bigger upper arms and a chest? Not enough in my opinion.
Ronnie dumps on him. Idk if he loses more than the ab and thigh
Yates even 279..didn't have the DELTS ARMS AND CHEST..
Of course yes, Dorian 1993 wins every pose. …….Ronnie the king gut gyno Coleman sucks. Now he can’t walk. Always was pregnant of 7 months. .
yates killed Ronnie 6 times in a row, Ronnie never had his quality or condition, if yates hadn’t tore his tricep ronnie would be a unknown