The entire industry is a scam, in my PERSONAL OPINION, it does not cost that much for customer support... It's TWENTY TWENTY FIVE these are BARE BASIC products - with some firmware. EVERYONE has been indoctrinated and youtube reviewers perpetuate it, for money. A basic good quality HE keyboard should cost £50 - it is NOT TWO THOUSAND AND NINE
@@auzan2 Probably not, but he's got a point that (at least on the western market) wooting monopolize the mainstream HE market. Here in asia there are 2 types of HE keyboard, outemu board users which are usually super cheap like the mad60 and gateron board which are usually better like wooting. Both pcb are pretty cheap for manufacturers too, making actually great HE like MelGeek Made68 Ultra or Nuphy Halo65 perform at the same level as wooting, while having half the price. Sure if you buy that to the west you won't get the mediocre customer support, but does the $90 increase justify the price for it?
@@fwabble "Bare basic" dude they literally pioneered the whole thing, wooting keyboards use their own hardware that you don't see on other he keyboards, they spent so much time and money to research and develop, all the hall effect switches rn wouldnt even be a thing without wooting. Wooting's support and software is still the best, and they have good qc unlike these chinese keyboards
@scyzorpl yeah when I meant people I meant the sudden influx especially people with a bigger following or more well known in the community and not aspiring youtubers
@@joshuasingh6822 There is lots of big youtubers that actually reviewed the keyboard and thanks to them i purchases the NANO 68 and right now Attack Shark is doing kickstarter drop with their new HE keyboard and i picked the wireless 8 k version for only 50 $ and the wired one is only 35 $ crazy prices for a HE keyboard
@@joshuasingh6822 i mean this board has been taking the internet by storm for like 2 months now, it was only a matter of time before more reputable reviewers decided to start talking about it
There are literally better keyboards than this garbage in the same price range (take the rt68) , with the amount of QC issues which is on par or even worse than final mouse, you’re literally paying for e waste, and 40$ does not include shipping.
@@casull2041 right and it’s a big mistake to not say that ,cuz people now so scared to buy that product ,they now thinking it’s noname Chinese brand,what’s incorrect ,it’s pissed me off when I heard him words 😂
I've been using the Wooting 60he for about a year now and I have no regrets, it's a great keyboard. However, had I known about the mad lions when I was shopping for keyboards I definitely would have bought it. For $43, it's a risk worth taking
i have one of those, and im in Brazil, bro, we are paying taxes for every import, for those we pay like 20% but for wooting, it would actually double the price, our minimum sallary (in a month) in brazil is almost the double of the price of THE WOOTING 60HE. I'm a person that actually have conditions to pay thinks like that if it trully was a necessity, but most people here cant, most gaming setups in Brazil are held with redragon Kumara and similar outemu piece of garbage, its easy to say something like "zero support" but we didnt even think about support, we just want something like wooting that we can affort
@@aw1u792 peguei a Rgb standard, pra mim já é suficiente, e mesmo essa já é melhor q o wooting pq tem um firmware de perfomance pra 0.02 de rapid trigger, mas pegar a versão ultimate compensa mais pelo preço se vc quiser o melhor do melhor pelo preco mais em conta, mas o standard ou rgb já é suficiente
@@aw1u792 Compra a mais barata pq tem uma atualização no site / software que deixam todos iguais com o menor ponto de atuação. No final, só tem diferença na aparência do teclado.
In the same vein I recently bought a random 60% mechanical keyboard off aliexpress for... $20 including shipping. I'm absolutely positively shocked with the quality. I wouldn't dare to use included usb dongle, but it works like a charm with bt.
i bought a koorui red switch 60% keyboard for £24. the stabilisers are INSANE, not a single bit of rattle and it sounds amazing for a red switch keyboard. way better than the Corsair Strafe Mk.2 i was using before, that was still pretty nice.
Bought the Mad68 HE R for £50 and its been great. Basically no deadzone, sounds pretty high end and switches similar to Jades Pro's but with a little more stem wobble. No way am I spending £160 on a 60% plastic keyboard with mid Lekker's and less choice for decent HE switches (have TTC KOM for my WASD). By the time you mod a Wooting you'd be well into the 200's and it will still be behind in performance.
@@Lumii-YT The Kulun switches in the R model are moderately loud when bottoming out and fairly clacky. Noise wise quite similar to Jades with maybe a bit more low end.
bought the 8k polling rate version for about 50bucks, had some problems with the keyboard typing on its own but u can just recalibrate the switches or even unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in works for me, factory reset also fixed everything for me, id say its a steal for 50bucks since everything feels insanely fast and socd works perfectly fine
You need to change into static light on the rgb and set it below 50%, This is a common problem on HE keyboards because it's magnetic the lights from the rgb is overheating the switches.
i bought the 8k polling version too, i love the keyboard but the only thing im not sure is how to change the polling rate, do you know? i cant seem to find it on the web software.
I think the web based is like, the website will be saved to your browser cache so you can actually access it while offline so it will still be accessible even if the main web is taken down. ofc if you change PC or reset windows you'll need to revisit it online. then when they gone you can say bye bye to the software.
The wooting WAS the best keyboard, and then every single other keyboard company made a competitor that was better in differing ways, like razer, SteelSeries, Logitech (lol) and like you showed, madlion.
As someone who used the Steelseries HE keyboards, they're so much worse and so is the software. Can't really say much about Razer and Logitech as I avoid both like a plague due to... let's say previous experiences with their products. As fort the Madlion, seems like a great deal if you're going to mod the keyboard anyway, but judging from the video as well as some comments and reviews, it probably won't last too long.
I checked Madcatz MAD 60 HE Prize that is available for sale in my country, and it only costs $21 for the non-RGB version and $26 for the RGB version. This price is including shipping costs.
I bought the mad60he for 35$ (during black friday) and I really can't recommend it enough. It's not the only cheap HE keyboard coming up, which tells me companies we're upcharging us with insane margins.
The companys are not up charging anything, alot of money is spent on the planning rather the materials. madlions is a very scummy company (which steals products) and you’re paying for literal e waste which is bound to break in a week.
Of Course Wooting has insane margins. How can they fail so hard at marketing? There are so many keyboards out there and those greedy idiots are still sticking to a $200 price tag.
Same. Also backed and I got a Mad68 R recently lol. $50/£39 is insane for the price. From Miggs review, it looks like it performs similarly to this and has wireless and volume knob. Proper offline drivers as well as web drivers.
you should try out the ace60 pro. Some people even agree that it might even be better than the wooting 80he. it cost around the same at the mad60he. they have a tinyyyy bit more expensive option which is the ace68. it would be awesome to see your review on these keyboards and compare it to the wooting 60he since you have experience with it, because im trying to get it for Christmas and i wanna see if its worth it.
i got this, i really like this keyboard, the only problem i have with it is no onboard profiles, i play games where i have to rebind stuff, and it would be awesome if i could just use a key combination to switch profiles
There is a keyboard which I think is really underrated Nuphy’s keyboards The nuphy 75 HE ranked as the best keyboard at this time based on rtings website, they also have 60 version which I think about 100$ If you see the performance benchmarks the wooting and nuphy are the only 2 keyboards which are under 0.9 ms the nuphy event beats the wooting in latency of releasing the key (which was wooting strength)
I find wooting very interesting but the pricing is really bad, i have a VERY expensive keyboard and have been using it for about 8 years now but its slowly starting to lose the nice feel etc and i just want something new and shiny in general to be honest but i dont feel like spending so much on a new product, its risky and i was lucky with the keyboard im using now which cost 250€ btw... Anyway, hope wooting reconsideres their pricing and the options they are selling because the brand has the potential to get really big.
All I got to say after getting my 80HE and having sticking stabs also seeing others on Reddit with the same issue. I waited how long again for this so called premium board and I have to do modding once I get it. No response from Woootng only on discord say they address. The issues in further batches. That’s not the point. It shouldn’t happen tot begin with.
@ I am aware of this. I’m sayin this is not accepted to me for the price tag and no support for it beside it been address for future bathes. I can mod boards myself. What bout the people that can’t ? 80 he was a fail in my eyes
the mad60 is a blatant copy of the wooting everyone should know if they want to support such a company but everyone that judge other people are not better u cant blame other people for buying a keyboard almost 1/4 of the price and wear fast fashion and be ethically okay with it. Everyone should decide for themselves.
@@VodkaBB I am so glad to see, somebody has a brain. Please do not support companies like madlions, and in the long run a wooting or any other superior he keyboard will last you a long time.
@@Lumfii how so? I don't see any reason that the 45 dollar one would last any less time than a wooting, I have literally never broken a keyboard. I'm would have zero issues with the longevity of the cheaper option. I used a gk61 (the cheapest barebones case you could get in 2019) for 4 years and have had literally zero degradation of the case or any issues with longevity.
Wooting is ripping people off with that price plain and simple. I understand they pioneer the HE keeb. This keyboard just opens up a peek behind the curtain of how overpriced their keyboard is.
I wonder why... could it be that Wooting has R&D costs to cover, naaah. Proper wages for the people that work in the factory over in china, ignore that use kids instead. Cheaper.
@@dossprod its just a 1 to 1 clone of the Wooting, heavy copyright infringement but Wooting cant do anything since Mad is a Chinese company and western companies can't win lawsuits in China, especially at Wootings size.
Hope it's good for you man. I don't blame the customers ever since peripherals are expensive. I just wanted to be on the safer side and still rocking my custom 60HE hopefully until it breaks. 😂
Irok nd63 pro might be even better than the mad68 he. It should have more stable 8khz polling rate, 32k scan rate, good materials, software, sound and switches. In my country at least its cheaper than the mad68 he. 4:45 sounds like the irok nd63 pro 🤣Also I think the warranty on the mad68 he isnt that worrying, if it breaks for you, you can just buy a new one and even after that you still have 150€ left to buy something like made68 pro (better than wooting60he too) or a full custom keyboard that beats wooting80he in everything expect maybe software.
I would much rather fund a company that pushes the envelope than a company business model that stunts innovation by being competitive but can only lag behind
I don't know why the release of a Chinese copy which is manufacturing a keyboard at a loss just to break even is making people get so angry about wooting boards? They are priced differently for a reason. If people are calling the wooting overpriced and overhyped then why are you looking to buy one at all? it has the same features as the wooting but the mad keyboard isn't knocked for being 'unoriginal or overhyped' all from the fact that it's cheap so if it doesn't work who cares. Also seeing people complain about wootings support being unresponsive. While I have a wooting and the support has been very understanding. You waited possibly 3-4 months for a pre order then can't wait a week for support to help😭. This isn't the first time madlion have cloned a board and just made it cheaper. All it does is ruin innovation by stealing profits from these companies that actually try to innovate. But instead people are trashing on Wooting and these other brands for a cheaper model existing on the market?
The emergency stop and function of wooting are too foul, it is difficult for players without wooting to play a second emergency stop, you can take a look at VALORANT, this product is friendly to ordinary third world players
Interesting review, but I just don't see why Wooting is any more reliable. They could go under too. What makes Wooting so safe? They're a newish company and if they go under same issue with losing access to the web UI over time. However, I trust the develops at Wooting would at least leave us with a software alternative given how much effort they put into developing the web UI.
First wooting isn't really a new company they been doing this with the Wooting One TKL board since 2016. The web software is only an option for customers who don't want to install software but they also provide that dedicated software for it. They also push updates and new features across ALL their HE keyboards, which makes it quite future proof.
Please don't use auto translation, the robotic french translatation jump scared me and it's quite garbage (and also doesn't even try to imitate your beautiful voice) Also you made me buy it pretty much instantly, was looking for a HE keyboard and was looking at around 90€ for something but it always looked trash ... At least I'm already familiar with VXE so I know the software will be very serviceable
no research no testing just yapping lmao. keep ur assumptions to urself if u cant provide any valid reasons. madlions is a sub brand of the company that makes VXN,VGE & ATK so its reliable. i'm gaming on the mad 68he R for 1 month+ with 10 hours+ everyday and there's no issue at all.
are you really that dumb to think 8k keyboard really give you advantage when your MAXIUM reaction as human is 120ms ( F1 DRIVER / JET FIGHTER)? Even the gaming mice with 4k 8k polling rate is Marketing bait. And know what? You not even interact with keyboard as much as mice when gaming. The only selling point here is Hall Effect and every company out there (even chinese) is making the same HE no dif.
Are you guys really that dumb to think 8K keyboard really give you advantage when your MAXIUM reaction as human is 120ms ( F1 DRIVER / JET FIGHTER)? Even the gaming mice with 4k 8k polling rate is Marketing Bait. And know what? You not even interact with keyboard as much as mice while gaming. The only selling point here is Hall Effect and every companies out there (even chinese) is making the same HE no dif.
i dont buy logitech no more since few years its cheap fucking shit sell overpriced and broken fast i wasted few mices from them in my 25 years of gamming i can say steelseries is on of the best with razer mices never had 1 brocken or cable broken or any kind of issues my favorite ones was the SENSAI from steelseries and the RAZER Copperhead that was an insane MOUSE that woud so amazing if anytime COPPERHEAD comes back
They are not copying Wooting's mounting system, infact it's a universal mounting points for 60% keyboard just like DZ60 PCBs so they weren't copying wooting in that area
This reviews are making situation worse . Wooting is a really good and respectful brand that succeed in its own features. Showing clones that doesn’t create anything is destroying all innovative brands , and getting quality and ambitions worse and worse
If the Wooting is $200, and someone copies them and the price is $185, sure, maybe I agree with you, but if they make an exact clone (that sounds even better) and price it less than 4x the price, Wooting can go fuck themselves. They deserve to lose marketshare to more competent manufacturers.
That depends, also 3950 mice in China has to be set for at least 300 Chinese yuan, because their contract with sensor provider(Pixart) not sure if this applies to the whole world, but I think that’s because Chinese markets known to have “price war” where one brand will always find a way to be a few dollars cheaper than the other. Pixart prob don’t want their 3950 sensor to cost as cheap as a 3335 which is from years ago
Yeah but it's garbage. Performance wise especially + everything else obvious like build quality and firmware. Just buy a mechanical keyboard for the same price, performs about the same but way better in every other aspect. With mice it's similar, the cheap ones aren't unusable but they're just meh.
@@jR0xas ? its literally as good a wooting for way less. i literally have it and have no complaints, the only arguments against it is that china + it might break and it lacks a warranty.
@@shinefake48 yeah i was thinking that the sensor is probably the biggest cost, but really you could probably just use older sensors, i dont think sensors have improved too much in the last 10 years. implementation seems way more important that raw specs.
@@2kata Bro I've literally seen so many people on Discords look into the performance and tech aspect. The firmware is ass, the build quality is what you pay for as well and the performance is strictly much worse. Idk what you're talking about by saying it's the same thing. It's an insult to any HE keyboard around 120 bucks that is ACTUALLY good and also not a clone. You get what you pay for, if you're lucky it's not unusable but if you had any high tier HE keyboard next to it you'd tell the difference without looking. Again why would you pay for a terrible HE keyboard if you're the type of person who can't tell the difference anyway? Just buy a mechanical keyboard for the same price and you'll have top tier build quality and everything. With things usually the mid range is the best for the price with the high tier being a bit better but also exponentially more expensive. If you're super on a budget just wait a month extra and buy mid range.
It feels a bit unethical buying the Mad60he since they copied Wootings design like how they copy other companies too; for me, I'd just feel uncomfortable supporting such a company as Madlions. In my opinion they are cashing in on short-term gains at the cost of the industry and environment with a product that is unlikely to survive longer than a year. I would much rather have the real deal than some, sorry excuse of a knockoff. I honestly feel bad for Wooting since legal battles in China are messy, plus they simply don't have the resources to pursue legal action against Madlions.
How is it at the expense of the industry? I see it as challenging wooting's business model of riding off their fame as the first HE keyboard, and using it to get away with ridiculous profit margins. How is it unlikely to survive for more than a year? Are you insinuating that wooting is going to shut down their business? I don't understand what claims wooting would make, as it would be extremely difficult to convince legal authority that the product was copied. Especially when those legal authorities are international.
@@clarkettinger6958 They keep RND costs low by copying popular products and using their low price point as a free marketing tool. “Get the same cheaper!” And with that, it gives the buyers a mindset of “if its bad, it was only a few dollars.” Filing a lawsuit in China as a foreign company is difficult to win. And they don't directly use a trademark, so there is plenty to debate.
@@clarkettinger6958 They keep RND costs low by copying popular products and using their low price point as a free marketing tool. “Get the same cheaper!” And with that, it gives the buyers a mindset of “if its bad, it was only a few dollars." I was implying that this Madlions keyboard would not last more than a year :). Filing a lawsuit in China as a foreign company is difficult to win. And they don't directly use a trademark, so there is plenty to debate.
it's not really a scummy company, yes, they copied the design, but I don't believe that wooting took any measures to prevent someone from doing so. they are simply bringing competition in a more visual way compared to other competitors who focus on the actual quality of the product and charge similar prices to wooting.
i see here no problem if more people buy madlions products there will be still in 5 years there and i dont think it will have issues in 5 years i not pay 200 bucks for a wooting its overpriced as hell and they even too greedy to sell it throw paypal SRY WOOTING BUT YOU LOST 200 bucks now i not more need your shit
???? I got mine from ali express, matter of fact im typing this with it right now. It exceeded my expectations like crazy plus I only got it for 23 pounds. Also It came wayyyyy earlier than expected (3 days earlier). So idk what ur talking about 🤷♂
wooting deserves some praise after pioneering HE keyboards market but I'm so happy this technology isn't gatekept by money anymore
The entire industry is a scam, in my PERSONAL OPINION, it does not cost that much for customer support... It's TWENTY TWENTY FIVE these are BARE BASIC products - with some firmware. EVERYONE has been indoctrinated and youtube reviewers perpetuate it, for money. A basic good quality HE keyboard should cost £50 - it is NOT TWO THOUSAND AND NINE
def thank wooting for that, they could have easily patented rapid trigger and run a monopoly on the HE keyboard space but they didnt
@@fwabble did u buy the keyboard?
@@auzan2 Probably not, but he's got a point that (at least on the western market) wooting monopolize the mainstream HE market.
Here in asia there are 2 types of HE keyboard, outemu board users which are usually super cheap like the mad60 and gateron board which are usually better like wooting. Both pcb are pretty cheap for manufacturers too, making actually great HE like MelGeek Made68 Ultra or Nuphy Halo65 perform at the same level as wooting, while having half the price.
Sure if you buy that to the west you won't get the mediocre customer support, but does the $90 increase justify the price for it?
@@fwabble "Bare basic" dude they literally pioneered the whole thing, wooting keyboards use their own hardware that you don't see on other he keyboards, they spent so much time and money to research and develop, all the hall effect switches rn wouldnt even be a thing without wooting. Wooting's support and software is still the best, and they have good qc unlike these chinese keyboards
Holy shit people are actually reviewing it
have you been living under a rock people have been reviewing the Madlions for some time already
@scyzorpl yeah when I meant people I meant the sudden influx especially people with a bigger following or more well known in the community and not aspiring youtubers
@@joshuasingh6822 There is lots of big youtubers that actually reviewed the keyboard and thanks to them i purchases the NANO 68 and right now Attack Shark is doing kickstarter drop with their new HE keyboard and i picked the wireless 8 k version for only 50 $ and the wired one is only 35 $ crazy prices for a HE keyboard
@@joshuasingh6822 i mean this board has been taking the internet by storm for like 2 months now, it was only a matter of time before more reputable reviewers decided to start talking about it
@@scyzorpl Ive seen like only 2 or 3 long reviews that are in english, its either in some asian country or the video is only like 3 minutes
you could buy 4 of the madlion keyboards, mod them all and it would still be cheaper (and better sounding) than a Wooting. LMAO
There are literally better keyboards than this garbage in the same price range (take the rt68) , with the amount of QC issues which is on par or even worse than final mouse, you’re literally paying for e waste, and 40$ does not include shipping.
And the customer service is exactly the same as wooting (non existent) lol
@@Lumfii i payed 46.99$ for FLAHSHIP mad 60 HE on alliexpress with shipping for free and arrived 8 days after order in GERMANY with 0 Problems
@@Lumfii so what would you recommend?
@@R2Rob he said the rt68
risking to save 130$. Wish me luck guys
Hope you enjoy it, had mine for more than a month, not a single issue so far
@@vladbivol8153 ali express is safe i buyed it its great
@@vladbivol8153 let us know what you think!
its good, also no issues so far
same i ordered mine , arriving this month
just extra info MAD is the sub brand of the same company that made VGE VXE and ATK if i remember correctly
@@casull2041 right and it’s a big mistake to not say that ,cuz people now so scared to buy that product ,they now thinking it’s noname Chinese brand,what’s incorrect ,it’s pissed me off when I heard him words 😂
@@ЖеняМельников-щ8е ATK is known for basically abandoning all of their HE keyboards and not providing firmware updates.
@@soupdrinker72 yup one of the reason why to not buy their product.
@@soupdrinker72 no
I've been using the Wooting 60he for about a year now and I have no regrets, it's a great keyboard. However, had I known about the mad lions when I was shopping for keyboards I definitely would have bought it. For $43, it's a risk worth taking
judging from this video, the sound of the cheap one sounded much better.
i have one of those, and im in Brazil, bro, we are paying taxes for every import, for those we pay like 20% but for wooting, it would actually double the price, our minimum sallary (in a month) in brazil is almost the double of the price of THE WOOTING 60HE. I'm a person that actually have conditions to pay thinks like that if it trully was a necessity, but most people here cant, most gaming setups in Brazil are held with redragon Kumara and similar outemu piece of garbage, its easy to say something like "zero support" but we didnt even think about support, we just want something like wooting that we can affort
I'm out of the loop. Are there any affordable alternatives to Wooting 60HE in Brazil? Or is this it?
comprou qual versao dog? To pensando em comprar
bro you got it the other way around the wooting is 2x brazil's minimum salary
@@aw1u792 peguei a Rgb standard, pra mim já é suficiente, e mesmo essa já é melhor q o wooting pq tem um firmware de perfomance pra 0.02 de rapid trigger, mas pegar a versão ultimate compensa mais pelo preço se vc quiser o melhor do melhor pelo preco mais em conta, mas o standard ou rgb já é suficiente
@@aw1u792 Compra a mais barata pq tem uma atualização no site / software que deixam todos iguais com o menor ponto de atuação. No final, só tem diferença na aparência do teclado.
In the same vein I recently bought a random 60% mechanical keyboard off aliexpress for... $20 including shipping.
I'm absolutely positively shocked with the quality.
I wouldn't dare to use included usb dongle, but it works like a charm with bt.
Help a bro out with the link 🙏
i bought a koorui red switch 60% keyboard for £24. the stabilisers are INSANE, not a single bit of rattle and it sounds amazing for a red switch keyboard. way better than the Corsair Strafe Mk.2 i was using before, that was still pretty nice.
Bought the Mad68 HE R for £50 and its been great. Basically no deadzone, sounds pretty high end and switches similar to Jades Pro's but with a little more stem wobble.
No way am I spending £160 on a 60% plastic keyboard with mid Lekker's and less choice for decent HE switches (have TTC KOM for my WASD). By the time you mod a Wooting you'd be well into the 200's and it will still be behind in performance.
@@hinchlikescake7592 do you know what the difference between one of these or the attack shark? Are they all HE?
would you say the keyboards loud?
@@Lumii-YT The Kulun switches in the R model are moderately loud when bottoming out and fairly clacky. Noise wise quite similar to Jades with maybe a bit more low end.
i bought the maad68r white version
bought the 8k polling rate version for about 50bucks, had some problems with the keyboard typing on its own but u can just recalibrate the switches or even unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in works for me, factory reset also fixed everything for me, id say its a steal for 50bucks since everything feels insanely fast and socd works perfectly fine
actually, all rapid trigger have things like that
You need to change into static light on the rgb and set it below 50%, This is a common problem on HE keyboards because it's magnetic the lights from the rgb is overheating the switches.
i bought the 8k polling version too, i love the keyboard but the only thing im not sure is how to change the polling rate, do you know? i cant seem to find it on the web software.
@@FK_1 you can't unless you have the mad68 R
MAD 60 HE $32 here in Indonesia, sometimes on sale you get it for $26
Bought one on sale for $25 (+$3 shipping) in the US. Might've gotten lucky with that price
@@thegudstuff2378 What model did you get?
yooo my fav tech utber just uploaded
if youre comparing the mad 60 he and the wooting 60 he, get the mad68r, yes it is 68% not 60 but its the best version of the mad 60 he
I think the web based is like, the website will be saved to your browser cache so you can actually access it while offline so it will still be accessible even if the main web is taken down. ofc if you change PC or reset windows you'll need to revisit it online.
then when they gone you can say bye bye to the software.
I mean if it works offline you can just dump the site entirely and store it for good.
your setting is saved to PCB memory. Not Website browser cache. Even changing to new computer still use your saved setting
The wooting WAS the best keyboard, and then every single other keyboard company made a competitor that was better in differing ways, like razer, SteelSeries, Logitech (lol) and like you showed, madlion.
Is still the best. Only what competes with wooting is venom he boards
As someone who used the Steelseries HE keyboards, they're so much worse and so is the software. Can't really say much about Razer and Logitech as I avoid both like a plague due to... let's say previous experiences with their products. As fort the Madlion, seems like a great deal if you're going to mod the keyboard anyway, but judging from the video as well as some comments and reviews, it probably won't last too long.
@Krymms if you want mod it just get wooting
@@JakubixIsHere or, save 100$ on the module and just by this keyboard.
I'll choose wooting definitely.
This garbage's (madlion) pcb broken while put the geon raptop switch on it.
well, 120 dollars cheaper, would gladly take the risk
I checked Madcatz MAD 60 HE Prize that is available for sale in my country, and it only costs $21 for the non-RGB version and $26 for the RGB version. This price is including shipping costs.
Hello i have a question to ask, Does mad60he flagship and mad60he ultimate is the same thing no?
yes
I bought the mad60he for 35$ (during black friday) and I really can't recommend it enough. It's not the only cheap HE keyboard coming up, which tells me companies we're upcharging us with insane margins.
The companys are not up charging anything, alot of money is spent on the planning rather the materials. madlions is a very scummy company (which steals products) and you’re paying for literal e waste which is bound to break in a week.
Of Course Wooting has insane margins. How can they fail so hard at marketing? There are so many keyboards out there and those greedy idiots are still sticking to a $200 price tag.
@clapnir what?
@Lumfii ngl I got confused too 🤣
@manwows5597 almost had a stroke trying to read that mess 😂
what do you think about the attackshark X65 HE? I just backed their Kickstarter instead of buying the madlions 60 HE.
Same. Also backed and I got a Mad68 R recently lol. $50/£39 is insane for the price.
From Miggs review, it looks like it performs similarly to this and has wireless and volume knob. Proper offline drivers as well as web drivers.
After I got the Nuphy I honestly don't want any other keyboard. Nice review as always.
2:49 sounds like mr. krabs walking
LMAO EVEN THE TIMING AND EVERYTHING 😂
It's actually crazy how accurate it is
Is the wooting 80he as good as the 60?
Madlions = VGN = VXE = ATK
you should try out the ace60 pro. Some people even agree that it might even be better than the wooting 80he. it cost around the same at the mad60he. they have a tinyyyy bit more expensive option which is the ace68. it would be awesome to see your review on these keyboards and compare it to the wooting 60he since you have experience with it, because im trying to get it for Christmas and i wanna see if its worth it.
i got this, i really like this keyboard, the only problem i have with it is no onboard profiles, i play games where i have to rebind stuff, and it would be awesome if i could just use a key combination to switch profiles
I modded a madlions 68he for 55$ in all and its insane how good this keyboard is for the price if you are a competitive player
Mchose Ace Pro next?
i am running attack shark 85, its amazing after i changed the keycaps, i hate keys that dont light up
There is a keyboard which I think is really underrated
Nuphy’s keyboards
The nuphy 75 HE ranked as the best keyboard at this time based on rtings website, they also have 60 version which I think about 100$
If you see the performance benchmarks the wooting and nuphy are the only 2 keyboards which are under 0.9 ms the nuphy event beats the wooting in latency of releasing the key (which was wooting strength)
latency performance benchmarks for keyboards don't really mean much.
I love how this keyboard cost me literally $100 and it's listed as pre order in third party. Double the price with double the wait time.
Here in Brazil, wooting costs more than 2k so... its very very very hard to most of people to buy it
I'd like to see how it compare to the Wooting after being modded
Could you review Nuphy Air 60 HE please?
I personally went with NuPhy Air 75 HE as I feel wooting is now overpriced with inferior build quality compared with the competition popping up.
Those switches are from IYX，which produces parts, as well as have their own HE keyboard for sale😂
I find wooting very interesting but the pricing is really bad, i have a VERY expensive keyboard and have been using it for about 8 years now but its slowly starting to lose the nice feel etc and i just want something new and shiny in general to be honest but i dont feel like spending so much on a new product, its risky and i was lucky with the keyboard im using now which cost 250€ btw... Anyway, hope wooting reconsideres their pricing and the options they are selling because the brand has the potential to get really big.
wooting sounds so bad for that price
All I got to say after getting my 80HE and having sticking stabs also seeing others on Reddit with the same issue. I waited how long again for this so called premium board and I have to do modding once I get it. No response from
Woootng only on discord say they address. The issues in further batches. That’s not the point. It shouldn’t happen tot begin with.
Issue is because switch pads got soaked by lube.
@ I am aware of this. I’m sayin this is not accepted to me for the price tag and no support for it beside it been address for future bathes. I can mod boards myself. What bout the people that can’t ? 80 he was a fail in my eyes
@@randallkubiszewski6908even $400 still needs the mod.
Nothing perfect in this world especially manmade.
the mad60 is a blatant copy of the wooting everyone should know if they want to support such a company but everyone that judge other people are not better u cant blame other people for buying a keyboard almost 1/4 of the price and wear fast fashion and be ethically okay with it. Everyone should decide for themselves.
@@VodkaBB I am so glad to see, somebody has a brain. Please do not support companies like madlions, and in the long run a wooting or any other superior he keyboard will last you a long time.
i already bought a shit load of fashion reps from pandabuy when it existed idgaf at this point 😂
@@Lumfii how so? I don't see any reason that the 45 dollar one would last any less time than a wooting, I have literally never broken a keyboard. I'm would have zero issues with the longevity of the cheaper option. I used a gk61 (the cheapest barebones case you could get in 2019) for 4 years and have had literally zero degradation of the case or any issues with longevity.
@@Lumfii this keyboard simply reveals the corruption of gaming companies (including Wooting) with their profit margins.
chad wooting airliner doc straps vs incel mad lions chinese nylon factory strap
when x3 review
Fun fact: mad 60he base version in China is 99 yuan, or just 14 USD, so the wooting is like 12 times the price, talk about overprice hyped stuff.
These switches look like gateron jades with a box-shape stem
Solder a new port on the wooting
wooting will prolly down it's price because of this
They wont.
@@JakubixIsHere they will especially when consumers starts buying this and not theirs
@@ninja1809 look they make enough money so every batch is sold out every time
@@JakubixIsHere look, before yes, but now i don't think so
@@ninja1809 you can see every batch they have on their website
crazy how i broke my keyboard a couple of days ago as well, and the same exact way.... Nice!
Wooting is ripping people off with that price plain and simple. I understand they pioneer the HE keeb. This keyboard just opens up a peek behind the curtain of how overpriced their keyboard is.
I wonder why... could it be that Wooting has R&D costs to cover, naaah. Proper wages for the people that work in the factory over in china, ignore that use kids instead. Cheaper.
@@AlkahzaneWell, it's called cost minimization for a reason..
Everything is cheap to make when you simply copy someone elses design exactly and use slave labor to make it.
$1 keyboard vs $1000000000 keyboard
I bought one yesterday and yeah it's immoral but I just wanna try out HE boards as a broke college student.
same reason i got it and ive had it like a month now no issues but the actuation is actually really accurate and sensitive if u tune it right
@@reazn.999 immoral?
There’s nothing immoral, spending so much on overpriced product in the first place is already wrong, it’s good to have competition in the market
@@dossprod its just a 1 to 1 clone of the Wooting, heavy copyright infringement but Wooting cant do anything since Mad is a Chinese company and western companies can't win lawsuits in China, especially at Wootings size.
Hope it's good for you man. I don't blame the customers ever since peripherals are expensive. I just wanted to be on the safer side and still rocking my custom 60HE hopefully until it breaks. 😂
Thanks for video, wait for reviev on attack shark x65 he, sounds tasty too
Even if i would have to buy one of those keyboards every year, it would still take 4 years to catch up with the price of wooting.
And wooting would work double of that time
Irok nd63 pro might be even better than the mad68 he. It should have more stable 8khz polling rate, 32k scan rate, good materials, software, sound and switches. In my country at least its cheaper than the mad68 he. 4:45 sounds like the irok nd63 pro 🤣Also I think the warranty on the mad68 he isnt that worrying, if it breaks for you, you can just buy a new one and even after that you still have 150€ left to buy something like made68 pro (better than wooting60he too) or a full custom keyboard that beats wooting80he in everything expect maybe software.
Shame its only a 60% If it was a 65%, I would've gone for one. Ponnie on his channel was glazing it.
I just got one of these for christmas hopefully I don’t get scammed and it breaks
u need to try the IYX MU68 PRO is better than the wooting, cero problems with latency or anything
First we have apple glazer. Now we have Wooting glazer lol
I would much rather fund a company that pushes the envelope than a company business model that stunts innovation by being competitive but can only lag behind
I don't know why the release of a Chinese copy which is manufacturing a keyboard at a loss just to break even is making people get so angry about wooting boards? They are priced differently for a reason. If people are calling the wooting overpriced and overhyped then why are you looking to buy one at all? it has the same features as the wooting but the mad keyboard isn't knocked for being 'unoriginal or overhyped' all from the fact that it's cheap so if it doesn't work who cares. Also seeing people complain about wootings support being unresponsive. While I have a wooting and the support has been very understanding. You waited possibly 3-4 months for a pre order then can't wait a week for support to help😭. This isn't the first time madlion have cloned a board and just made it cheaper. All it does is ruin innovation by stealing profits from these companies that actually try to innovate. But instead people are trashing on Wooting and these other brands for a cheaper model existing on the market?
The emergency stop and function of wooting are too foul, it is difficult for players without wooting to play a second emergency stop, you can take a look at VALORANT, this product is friendly to ordinary third world players
representing the 8th view community
Interesting review, but I just don't see why Wooting is any more reliable. They could go under too. What makes Wooting so safe? They're a newish company and if they go under same issue with losing access to the web UI over time. However, I trust the develops at Wooting would at least leave us with a software alternative given how much effort they put into developing the web UI.
First wooting isn't really a new company they been doing this with the Wooting One TKL board since 2016. The web software is only an option for customers who don't want to install software but they also provide that dedicated software for it. They also push updates and new features across ALL their HE keyboards, which makes it quite future proof.
@@Icancontrolitall their keyboards *
In my country, the Mad60 costs 21$, so...why not, right? :)
You are paying more for higher quality and R&D basically, since this is all developed by Wooting.
0:46 and you know what else is massive?
My heart
Inspired by SquashyBoy?
Please don't use auto translation, the robotic french translatation jump scared me and it's quite garbage (and also doesn't even try to imitate your beautiful voice)
Also you made me buy it pretty much instantly, was looking for a HE keyboard and was looking at around 90€ for something but it always looked trash ... At least I'm already familiar with VXE so I know the software will be very serviceable
Why you not review my beloved Logitech company's new HE-HE keyboard: PRO X TKL RAPID MLG NEO 720 NO AIM ASSIST? IDK man, seems kinda wrasist!
Never buy a keyboard which keys do not have branding. Just after the warranty ends keys stop working. I am suffering 😅
Got the pro version for only $32
Irok ND63 Pro best in this price point
no research no testing just yapping lmao. keep ur assumptions to urself if u cant provide any valid reasons. madlions is a sub brand of the company that makes VXN,VGE & ATK so its reliable. i'm gaming on the mad 68he R for 1 month+ with 10 hours+ everyday and there's no issue at all.
They are not
Even the MAD60 8k version is slower than wooting 1k. If you're paying for a competitive advantage, this board is not it.
Yeah, at that point just go with a mechanical and have better sounding keyboard.
are you really that dumb to think 8k keyboard really give you advantage when your MAXIUM reaction as human is 120ms ( F1 DRIVER / JET FIGHTER)? Even the gaming mice with 4k 8k polling rate is Marketing bait. And know what? You not even interact with keyboard as much as mice when gaming. The only selling point here is Hall Effect and every company out there (even chinese) is making the same HE no dif.
How much slower 1 Ms 1.5ms max? Do you notice that in keyboards if yes you must be pro player
Maleware in the software? Its to cheap to be true
there's no software to download. it's a web driver.
Are you guys really that dumb to think 8K keyboard really give you advantage when your MAXIUM reaction as human is 120ms ( F1 DRIVER / JET FIGHTER)? Even the gaming mice with 4k 8k polling rate is Marketing Bait. And know what? You not even interact with keyboard as much as mice while gaming. The only selling point here is Hall Effect and every companies out there (even chinese) is making the same HE no dif.
crazy how much better the copy sounds than the overpriced one lol
It does not
@@JakubixIsHere cope harder
@@JakubixIsHere im typing this with the mad60he rn it sounds so goooood🤤
lol shots fired at optimum’s stupid overpriced collab
Warhuryeah answered my review request- HELL YEAHHH
just buy a logitech k120 :D no software problem .. kidding
i dont buy logitech no more since few years its cheap fucking shit sell overpriced and broken fast i wasted few mices from them in my 25 years of gamming i can say steelseries is on of the best with razer mices never had 1 brocken or cable broken or any kind of issues my favorite ones was the SENSAI from steelseries and the RAZER Copperhead that was an insane MOUSE that woud so amazing if anytime COPPERHEAD comes back
@clapnir dude i was talking about the basic keyboard 😁 yah i get yah logitech "flagship" keybs are no way near the competition
They are not copying Wooting's mounting system, infact it's a universal mounting points for 60% keyboard just like DZ60 PCBs so they weren't copying wooting in that area
well sure the mount isn't copied but literally everything else about the case is bro
iyx keyboard is more better
This reviews are making situation worse . Wooting is a really good and respectful brand that succeed in its own features. Showing clones that doesn’t create anything is destroying all innovative brands , and getting quality and ambitions worse and worse
??? competition is always good for the customer in the end what
If the Wooting is $200, and someone copies them and the price is $185, sure, maybe I agree with you, but if they make an exact clone (that sounds even better) and price it less than 4x the price, Wooting can go fuck themselves. They deserve to lose marketshare to more competent manufacturers.
If they can make a whole HE keyboard for 50 dollars, I don't see why gaming mice should cost anymore than 20 dollars.
That depends, also 3950 mice in China has to be set for at least 300 Chinese yuan, because their contract with sensor provider(Pixart) not sure if this applies to the whole world, but I think that’s because Chinese markets known to have “price war” where one brand will always find a way to be a few dollars cheaper than the other. Pixart prob don’t want their 3950 sensor to cost as cheap as a 3335 which is from years ago
Yeah but it's garbage. Performance wise especially + everything else obvious like build quality and firmware. Just buy a mechanical keyboard for the same price, performs about the same but way better in every other aspect. With mice it's similar, the cheap ones aren't unusable but they're just meh.
@@jR0xas ? its literally as good a wooting for way less. i literally have it and have no complaints, the only arguments against it is that china + it might break and it lacks a warranty.
@@shinefake48 yeah i was thinking that the sensor is probably the biggest cost, but really you could probably just use older sensors, i dont think sensors have improved too much in the last 10 years. implementation seems way more important that raw specs.
@@2kata Bro I've literally seen so many people on Discords look into the performance and tech aspect. The firmware is ass, the build quality is what you pay for as well and the performance is strictly much worse. Idk what you're talking about by saying it's the same thing. It's an insult to any HE keyboard around 120 bucks that is ACTUALLY good and also not a clone. You get what you pay for, if you're lucky it's not unusable but if you had any high tier HE keyboard next to it you'd tell the difference without looking. Again why would you pay for a terrible HE keyboard if you're the type of person who can't tell the difference anyway? Just buy a mechanical keyboard for the same price and you'll have top tier build quality and everything. With things usually the mid range is the best for the price with the high tier being a bit better but also exponentially more expensive. If you're super on a budget just wait a month extra and buy mid range.
how about you get a better mic?
Woah
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It feels a bit unethical buying the Mad60he since they copied Wootings design like how they copy other companies too; for me, I'd just feel uncomfortable supporting such a company as Madlions. In my opinion they are cashing in on short-term gains at the cost of the industry and environment with a product that is unlikely to survive longer than a year. I would much rather have the real deal than some, sorry excuse of a knockoff. I honestly feel bad for Wooting since legal battles in China are messy, plus they simply don't have the resources to pursue legal action against Madlions.
How is it at the expense of the industry? I see it as challenging wooting's business model of riding off their fame as the first HE keyboard, and using it to get away with ridiculous profit margins.
How is it unlikely to survive for more than a year? Are you insinuating that wooting is going to shut down their business? I don't understand what claims wooting would make, as it would be extremely difficult to convince legal authority that the product was copied. Especially when those legal authorities are international.
@@clarkettinger6958 They keep RND costs low by copying popular products and using their low price point as a free marketing tool. “Get the same cheaper!” And with that, it gives the buyers a mindset of “if its bad, it was only a few dollars.” Filing a lawsuit in China as a foreign company is difficult to win. And they don't directly use a trademark, so there is plenty to debate.
@@clarkettinger6958 They keep RND costs low by copying popular products and using their low price point as a free marketing tool. “Get the same cheaper!” And with that, it gives the buyers a mindset of “if its bad, it was only a few dollars." I was implying that this Madlions keyboard would not last more than a year :). Filing a lawsuit in China as a foreign company is difficult to win. And they don't directly use a trademark, so there is plenty to debate.
Brother... linking to the madlion is icky,you even have affiliate moneyz from it?, its supporting a scummy company mann.. great video tho!
Scummy companies like these are the reason you have products similar to the expensive ones but at cheaper prices that lots of ppl can afford
Oh boo hoo
I’m hungry and need to buy food :(
it's not really a scummy company, yes, they copied the design, but I don't believe that wooting took any measures to prevent someone from doing so. they are simply bringing competition in a more visual way compared to other competitors who focus on the actual quality of the product and charge similar prices to wooting.
cope😹😹😹😹😹😹
Web software is a nope from me. I don't rent my keyboard.
huh?
i see here no problem if more people buy madlions products there will be still in 5 years there and i dont think it will have issues in 5 years i not pay 200 bucks for a wooting its overpriced as hell and they even too greedy to sell it throw paypal SRY WOOTING BUT YOU LOST 200 bucks now i not more need your shit
he said ali express and i was out.
???? I got mine from ali express, matter of fact im typing this with it right now. It exceeded my expectations like crazy plus I only got it for 23 pounds. Also It came wayyyyy earlier than expected (3 days earlier). So idk what ur talking about 🤷♂