MLBN Presents: Game 7 of the '97 World Series
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The 1997 Indians took a lead late into game seven of the World Series before the Marlins came back and took it to extra innings.
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Great piece... one of the most dramatic WS endings ever
The funny thing is six years after winning a World Series ring with the Marlins, Moises Alou was at the center of the whole Steve Bartman thing in the playoffs against the Marlins.
spinner90 Yup, crazy how the tables can turn in one’s career, being on the bad end of a controversy
Still blame Mesa. And everyone on that team should as well. Mesa partied non stop that year. He didn't care. And when a manager like Grover tells you to do something, you listen. That's why guys like Vizquel hates Mesa. Who could blame him. I'll never forget that game either. Those guys deserved to win. I miss watching everyone of them.
Mesa should have thrown the 1-2 pitch on Johnson inside and (if Johnson stays alive) then maybe the next pitch throw a slider away. Johnson was too comfortable in that at bat and made Mesa pay. But hey, Mesa knows it all as we see in this video.
@@NZ92673 agreed. I can't say here what I think of Mesa. I can't even begin to think how his team mates didn't literally kill him.
@@mkdzr72 Looking back on that year, Mesa was NOT the invincible pitcher he was a couple years before. He was shaky in the series before against the Orioles. The big problem I had with Mesa in that last inning was him abandoning his high heat in favor of off speed pitches. When you're a closer, you throw heat. And as Tim McCarver said before in reference to Mark Whollers, "You never get beat with your second best pitch." Which is exactly what happened when he gave up the homer to Jim Lerytz the year before. With two strikes and behind in the count, the hitter is in protect mode anyway so why not bust him inside? Nothing frustrates me more than players that don't want to listen to important advice.
@@NZ92673 Which explains why Mariano Rivera became the greatest closer of all time starting in 1998 because he threw nothing but heat.
He is hated in NE Ohio just like Art Modell
As a die hard Braves fan this breaks my heart for the Indians. They have come closer than my Braves have in winning more than 1 title and couldn’t pull it off. I feel for them. I rooted for them in 97 and 16
Yea lol and I bet you weren't routing for us in 95 tho 😆
lol
@@T0NY_S0PRAN0_86 of course not ! 😂
you still haven't wont shit since 1995!
@@Trump4prisonxxx 2021?
If you ignor the coach signs you better do it right....Jose Mesa fucked up...
True. If Cleveland had a slightly better closer than Mesa, they probably beat the Marlins in 6 games. Mesa was the main reason the Tribe lost the '97 series.
cometandcupids while true he wasn't pitching well, he was a starter so you needed someone to go long.
cometandcupids they intentionally walked the bases loaded because they would have a force at any base. The winning run is on 3rd either way so it doesn't matter.
Mesa did what Tim McCarver criticized Mark Whollers the year before, getting beat with his second best pitch. You're a closer needing quick outs, you go with the heat until they prove they can hit it.
I agree Mesa sounds like a stubborn idiot who helped cost his team
I'm so glad I watched this. Now I know it's entirely Mesa's fault. Throw what your told by the catcher and your coach.
Give CJ a little bit of credit
@MANCHESTER UNITED Baseball is the best sport to me which is all that matters.
Cleveland (my hometoen) to this day hates Jose Mesa, he blew the save.
@@THERSC216 yep. I'm a Clevelander and I still hate Mesa. That's why Vizquel and Mesa hate each other. Doesn't help that Mesa was out partying the night before.
@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C no body cares about what you think you Manc Wanc.
What’s not mentioned here is that it was Mike Hargrove’s birthday that night and he could’ve won a Game 7 for his best gift. It didn’t happen and when the Marlins won, it was the day after.
Thanks for the good memories Tony. I never blamed you for that game. You were a huge part of our team. Without you, we wouldn't have even made it that far. Rest in peace. You are missed here in Cleveland.
Only to have Game 7 at home of the 2016 World Series lost to the Cubs! That may not be as hard, Cleveland didn't ever lead that game, they were the Marlins who scrapped to tie, and looked like it'd be vindication for 1997, only for Mother Nature to chime in, and the Cubs regroup to take it- not before the Indians made it close! The 2016 World Series may have been yet another Indians defeat, but they were the underdog the entire series, just the fact it went 7 speaks volumes to how good that club was!
Jack Son If they were so good they should have closed it out being up 3-1. The Tribe weren't chumps that year, they won like 95 games. Hardly a Cinderella story.
_"Hardly a Cinderella story."_
The Indians were not favorites in pretty much any of the postseason series they were in for the 2016 postseason, except for probably parts of the Blue Jays series. They were expected to get swept by the Red Sox, and no matter what happened in the World Series, the story was going to be about the Cubs, never the Indians.
They were absolutely the underdogs in that situation.
The Tribe's record in series clinching games since Game 7 of the 97 WS is ghastly. 3-16 in series-clinching games, including 2 blown 3-1 series leads and two blown 2-0 series leads.
Gemini The Great They were down to two and a half starting pitchers. Your point is invalid
They were super close though. They lead 1-0 into the 5th inning of Game 5 at Wrigley up 3-1. 1 or 2 more innings from Bauer, at least 3 more outs, and Miller comes in in relief, and he’s dominated the Cubs. Then Allen in the 9th, and the game is over. But, Bauer gives up the game tier to Bryant, Cubs come up with 2 more runs and lead 3-1. Then, Lindor at 3rd in the 8th with 2 out and the game is 3-2. Ramirez is at the dish, and on a 3-2 count he’s caught looking. If he ties the game, it most likely heads to extras. But it didn’t. The Cubs win 3-2, the Indians let them back in the Series and put the pressure on themselves heading home. They then unravel from there, pull off one last miracle in Game 7, but it isn’t enough. They had many opportunities in Game 5 to get back in it and take control, but the Bryant homer was the fulcrum of that Series.
Love the variety of points and analogies in this segment. Keeps you tuned in outside of the sport itself.
This is some serious baseball drama right here. Doesn't get any more emotional and drama filled than this piece.
Not emotional like game 6 of the 1986 World Series
Courtney Gibson Jr they’re definitely along the same lines
The most incredible game I've ever seen in person. Now looking at it from Cleveland's point of view.
I was at the Pudge play at the plate game in 2003... but I'm incredibly jealous of anyone that got to witness that.. I have the Miami Herald front page from the next day hanging over my desk as I write this.
@@Imac7065 I was there too! October 4, 2003
Still hurts to this day. I'm 31 now, and it still hurts!
Me too. And I'm 46. Can't wait, our year is near. Go Tribe!
What’s worse for you- 1997 or 2016? I can’t decide.
DrPlatypus1 Good question. I've thought a lot about that. Hard to say. In '16 we were closer games wise, but in '97 it was RIGHT there. 4 strikes!
I was a young fan in 97 being only 11 years old but the loss was disappointing.. but 2016 crushed my Damm heart in pieces mannnnnn 😞😖
@@DrPlatypus1 2016 Is Arguably Worse For Indians Fans Everywhere They Choked I Was An Cubs Fan At The Time
As the 1997 World Series was going on, I was in my junior year at Struthers High School in Struthers, Ohio. I remember that Game 7 vividly, the Cleveland Indians had a 2-0 lead thru 6 1/2 innings, and they even had a 2-1 lead going into the bottom half of 9th Inning. It is painful to think back to 1997 compare it to 2016.
Nice to see your from Struthers! Graduated in 2017. This hurts really bad but i never experienced it live since i wan't born yet, however the 2016 World Series always gets me up set. We were so damn close man..
Al Leiter deciding to throw his curve ball more in that game 7 may have been the most pivotal reason Florida was able to win. If Leiter goes mainly, fastball/cutter, the Marlins don't win. IMO. A lot of times, little adjustments add up to big results.
That and wayne hyzinga (I know I spelled his name wrong) renting a team of Allstars of one year.
Al Leiter was always tough on the Indians going back to his days in the American League. He pitched the first shutout by an opposing pitcher in 1995 when he was with Toronto- I was there. Those teams crushed right-handed power pitchers but always had problems with crafty lefties like Leiter and Jamie Moyer.
I'm a Marlins fan and obviously happy that the Fish won the Series that year but the Indians deserve one and they definitely deserved it more. They spent all that time putting that team together and fought their asses off to get a title year after year while the Marlins just kinda stumbled into a championship and just traded everyone away like they didn't want to win anymore. TWICE it has happened down here by the way. I hope the Indians get one in the future. I was rooting for the Cubs for a long time to get one (obviously not in 2003 though lol) and rooted for them in 2016 but now it's the Indians turn to break their drought.
Thanks Man, GREATLY appreciated!
It wasn't until years later that I found out about the fire sale the Marlins organization was involved with, and to be fair, these were the Indians who knocked off the Yankees for the pennant.
@@GreatMewtwo Plus The Indians Never Had Gone Through That Themselves
As a Yankee fan my question is simple and direct ? How would they have been a dynasty ? We ran off 3 in a row and 4 straight appearances after ‘97 🤷🏽♂️ just a simple question
We were serious contenders from ‘94-‘01 but always came up short. Please see the definition of the word “almost”, as in the title of the documentary.
It should be called The Dynasty that could have been if Mesa hadn't screwed it up!
3:45 Why do they put subtitles when Jose Mesa talks? He's not Jabba The Hutt, for goodness sakes.
Indians lost in 97 because the game was too close 2-1 in the 9th inning? You gotta score more runs and that lineup was deadly too
Most of the wins in the 1997 postseason by Cleveland were close. I’m still devastated how the Yankees didn’t handle Cleveland.
huge Indians fan remember that team watched that live I was heartbroken almost as bad as this last world series not sure which was worse
I am not a Tribe fan. However IMO losing in '16 to the Cubs when 25% of your starters were not on the world series lineup in game 7 when almost the entire planet was against rooting your team is nothing to be ashamed about.
Hate to say it but the '97 Cleveland club should have won it. They were IMO slightly better (but not much) over the Marlins. In baseball the best teams in the playoffs don't always win.
AmericanGiant100 I'd agree with you on last year Brantley, Salazar, and carasco out and it took everything the cubs had to win.
that's also because of the manager. Francona may have let Boston get out of control after winning it twice (I'm sure egos got massive), so they collapsed. He's still a damn good manager, and got them to a game 7 before losing it. Remember though, it's not who was rooting for/against them, the Cubs won 103 regular season games in 2016, more than any team that year, they literally went into the playoffs as the best team, and it showed when it came down to the 7th and final game that they were the team to beat, and Cleveland damn near did it, because Francona knows how to manage in the playoffs, pulling the right strings to get the right guys in the right situations.
I think 97 was worse for you because even though you were up 3-1 on the Cubs, the Cubs were the better team overall and they showed it. 97 was supposed to be your year and it didn’t go your way. Also, you rallied from 5-1 down to tie the game in the 8th in 2016.
VideoGameLover58 but in Cleveland’s defense, they used up a lot in their 22-game winning streak that they couldn’t keep up the momentum. The Yankees were also coming in hot, which also was a factor.
Maannn why does this still hurt
Its the curse of luveing in ohio
95,97, and 2016 still linger in my mind!
why isnt fernandez's bobble discussed more hes a goat also
I guess because he was responsible for Cleveland's two runs in that same game
And the game was tied at that point anyway. That specific play didn't cost them the lead.
Seems like Mesa wants to blame him, instead of himself.
Should've never gotten to that point. You gotta close that game if you're Mesa.
@@thejoeyd9207 agreed. Even though Mesa was a DA.
Omar should've just pissed his pants
This and the 87 afc championship game are the most devastating losses in Cleveland sports history
KEEP CRYIN LOSERS!
Although I do think Vizquel's comments about Mesa escalated the situation I can't really blame him, Mesa is a power pitcher so he should've trusted his fastball inside. Not many closers' best pitch are their offspeed, Sergio Romo is an exception.
I'm not an Indians fan, but I was rooting for them in this series....this piece is done so well. I'm always marveled by how some pro athletes can recount certain situations, play by play. It's amazing how Charles Nagy remembers every last detail of the inning he pitched in game 7, despite this being over 30 years ago. I remember hating this for Indians fans at the time. Such a bummer.
honestly as a yankee fan, I will love to see Cleveland win a World Series. Just once in my lifetime. If they finish it at the jake, it will be exciting. It will be like a party with fireworks and exciting music on the speaker.
You thought the Cavs winning in 2016 was exciting, wait till Cleveland wins a Super Bowl or World Series.
You are appreciated, Courtney.
Advance men and event planners get a bad rap. They are not encouraging early celebration. I hate hearing about teams getting mad about parade planning and all that shit.
7:39 Red Sox future friend
I know it sucks being so close for a championship, trust me, I’m a Texas Rangers fan (2011)
(I wasn’t watching the Rangers in 2011, but I started watching them in 2018)
What happened to the full feature version? Bring it back!
I think they cut it to save time. It's a shame because I enjoyed the full feature version, too.
The Cleveland Indians and World Series heartbreak: NAME A MORE ICONIC DUO.
If I was Jose I would’ve Intentionally walked Greg Counsel and got the the double play that would’ve ended it but I want see the tribe win the World Series so bad i was heart broken in 2016 that was the first time seeing the Indians in the World Series I hope we win it all
If you’re talking about the 9th, you’re loading the bases there, which a single there wins the game.
We will win it all, hopefully soon. If we don't stop trading players away!! Come on Tribe, quit letting our good players go!
I know this broke my heart, can't imagine how them guys felt. Devastating
MLB protocol? That’s BS. Then explain all of the other shots of ownership celebrating in the stands every other year (including when the road team wins). No one is ever in the clubhouse prior to the end of the game. He’ll, the trophy ceremony doesn’t take place for at least 20 minutes after the final out.
That was the Indians’ year, but life isn’t fair.
1997 suppose to be the Yankees year. Going to the postseason as defending champions. That home run by sandy alomar was unexpected off of big mo.
I only felt good Jim Leyland and Bobby Bonilla. They won the World Series they should have won in Pittsburgh.
Why were people making excuses for Nagy about coming in relief? Game 7 all hands on deck. He holding the fort was just as big as he starting it.
This is just like the 92 nlcs game 7
Yes and no - at least the Indians were able to keep their core together for another shot at the title the next year (and beyond).
Pittsburgh had so much riding on winning it all in 92 because the Pirates knew they were going to get cleaned out by free agency.
How ironic, though, that Jim Leyland and Bobby Bonilla would reunite and finally win a World Series together?
@@effend446 yes Leyland & Bobby Bonilla great they won & even better Barry Bonds didn't win jack.
Crying all over again…sports gods are not kind to us here in Cleveland 😢
I am forever grateful to the Narlins for denying Mike Hargrove a ring.
Heartbreaking? No question. But if I recall, it was amazing that the 97 Indians were even in the fall classic to begin with - They played in a weak AL Central division that year, for one thing. And their pitching (especially the bullpen) had been suspect at times as well - and it showed because they were a tired bunch going into game 7.
They were so lucky they passed the defending world champions(Yankees)
This just hurts and I wasn’t even alive yet
Tony Fernandez may he rest in peace but he fucked up big time
worst loss in any sport in my lifetime as a Cleveland fan...ditto w Grover, still not over it
Yeah, don't get excuses on the 2B error. The game went to extras because of you.
This is the exact reason I’m not in favor of bringing in a closer when the starter is doing fine. Dusty baker is infamous for this.
Same way how I feel in the 2001 World Series in game 7. The rocket was pitching tremendous.
Why was this entire thing in the Indians POV? They lost?
I was mad. Mesa screwed up when it mattered.
Mesa really needs to grow up and put his petty ego aside.
talk about game of inches
yup. It's also why playoff errors are so magnified. Forget what happened in 2003's game 6 of the NLCS, it was that error that led to the collapse, and a for sure grounder here led to the winning run coming across, instead of being in the top half of the next inning.
The worse is game 7 of 2001 World Series
didn't really need subtitles for Jose. He speaks perfectly clear.
No they didn't. At least they didn't provide them for Sandy Alomar.
Yes perfectly clear.......I'm not gonna pitch what my manager tells me too. Oh, I lost the game, who cares.
Please Find Rest Of The Video
I'm a die-hard Indians Fan that lives in Detroit and meanwhile the rest of my family lived in Miami. I actually had vacation that week and flew to Miami to visit my family, needless to say I was down there for game 7 and watched it with my family and all their friends at watch party. Needless to say that was rough to watch the Marlins come back and win in extra innings and have my heart broken and the kicker was watching everyone go crazy and celebrating and having like 3 more days there before I went home! Oh and ya my heart was broken again in 2016!
That was a great team, that was an all-time series.. but that Marlins team.. looking back on it.. it was special. Makes my blood boil knowing how great the players on that team would be over the next 5 years. I would do anything to undo that firesale man
That was a stupid, stupid day that I hated very much.
Just like the 2017 Super Bowl when Atlanta ALMOST won the game!
Henry Bass technically, that was worse because the Indians had a one-run lead in this game, which isn’t always safe and secured. With the Falcons, they flat out choked!
Two measly runs that’s all Cleveland managed to score in game seven at home!!! Yeah you don’t deserve to win. Two runs with that high power offense. And I don’t know what Mesa was doing shaking off pitches from the manager. Was Hargrove the manager in charge or was he just a puppet???
Game 7 was not in Cleveland.
It’s like Bill Buckner’s error
Na. It’s like game 7 of the 2001 World Series.
Who's got the full show of this?
After 107 seasons, the Cleveland Indians are no more. Next season, they will become the Cleveland Guardians.
I am a Yankee fan and I'll admit it's sad to see how the Indians were two outs away from a World Series championship. The Marlins rewrote that script.
For all four home games at Pro Player Stadium in Miami Gardens, for this World Series the attendance was over 67,000 . For Game One it was 67,245. For Game Two it was 67,025 with many fans seating in sections where they could not see the entire playing field. Game 6's attendance of 67,498 was the highest single-game attendance for the World Series since Game 5 of the 1959 World Series, when 92,706 people filled the football-oriented Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Game 7's was on Sunday October 26 The attendance was 67,204.
For baseball's best fans, it was just about as low as it could possibly get.
For baseball's worst (and nastiest) fans, it was just about as good as it could possibly get.
For everyone else, it was just about as '90s as it could possibly get.
Geez... the marlins was too freaking lucky that year. Tommy Gregg robbed the braves and mesa screwed the Indians. A few months later the marlins have a fire sale. Baseball is so frustrating sometimes.
The tony Fernandez error does not get talked about enough..mesa blew the save but still pitched well and got out of the inning
Both the Indians and the Braves competed to be The Team Of The 1990's and both teams blew it even though the Braves won only one World Series! But who took the cake for granted?
Three years, and they have the entire decade? You need to learn to do math! The Braves made the playoffs in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, compared to the Yankees 1996, 1998, 1999!
Jack Son Yes but the Yankees after Don Mattingly's retirement became a great team by winning 3 World Series in 1996, 1998 and 1999 and the Braves record speaked for themselves 1-4 in World Series between 1991 and 1999! Sorry Atlanta but New York is the Team Of The 1990's!
Even the Blue Jays won more World Series in the 90's than the Braves. The Braves are NOT the team of the 90's.
Jack Son But the Yankees winning three WS in 1996, 1998 and 1999 trumps the Braves one WS title.
You do know the Yankees made the playoffs from 5 straight years from 1995-99, winning the WS in 96, 98, 99. That is team of the 90s. They did more than the Braves in just half the time. And when you look at the decade, the Yanks have 3 WS, the Jays have 2 WS, and the Braves just have the 1. You're not the team of the 90s if two teams have won more WS than you. The only thing the Braves did better was constantly win their division.
It's like saying the Colts were the best NFL team of the 2000s because they won the most regular season games. But then you have the Patriots with 3 SBs, the Steelers with 2 SBs, and the Colts with 1 SB.
I wished the Indians would’ve won especially since the Marlins dismantled their team like a week later.
Many felt that it was a Series people wouldn't be interested in watching in 1997. That game 7 was, at that time, one of, if not the highest viewing rating of a Series Game 7. I was on the edge of my seat the entire game. A great and classic game to watch. I felt for the Indians fans, but more so for Tony Fernandez.
This was my favorite Indians team. After losing Belle and Lofton in the previous off season, no one ever thought they'd get this far, and to come this close only to lose was the worst sports moment of my life.
1202 Program Alarm thanks to sandy alomar hitting that tying solo shot off of Mariano Rivera. Still pissed me off as a die hard yankee fan.
That mid 90's indians team was so stacked in hindsight crazy
Absolute knife through the heart💔
One of the pinnacle moments of my childhood, watching my team win the W.S. everyone at school sporting Marlins gear, everyone seeing if we could name all the players on the roster,, thinking of all the games I went to with my Dad when Hard Rock Stadium was known as Pro Player. Just incredible. I hope every child has the opportunity to see their team from their city win a Series, or a Championship in any sport.
I was so glad the marlins beat Cleveland after that team beat my Yankees in the division series.
F&*# you, Jose Mesa......signed NE Ohio!!!!!!
MLB Network should document about game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Yankees were so close. I wanted them to get that 4peat
Not nearly as much on the line for the Yankees in ‘01 vs the Indians in ‘97. The Yankees had won 4/5 going into 2001. The Indians hadn’t won since 1948 going into 1997. Scarcity creates value! They still haven’t won since 1948.
Was this the game Eric Greg was behind home plate?
I was 10 years old when this happened. I grew up during a brief special time, when Cleveland was a baseballThe only remedy to reliving that sinking feeling is to go watch the video of the last couple minutes of game seven of the NBA finals when the Cavs won. town instead of a football town. This was devastating. It’s 2024 and still hard to watch. The only remedy to reliving that sinking feeling is to go watch the video of the last couple minutes of the game seven of the NBA finals when the Cavs won.
KEEP CRYIN LOSERS!
then why couldn,t they just go with orel hershiser
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I was 10 rows behind home plate for games 6 and 7. I will never forget game 7. The most amazing game I've ever seen, and to be there.....every game I've watched or been to since pales in comparison. The atmosphere was unlike anything I've ever experienced.
this is exactly how I feel about the 2003 NLDS pudge play at the plate game.. I'll never see or feel that moment again
That was one lazy slider.
Legend has it Craig Counsell is still in the air. The sad thing is Mesa's blown save completely overshadows how well Jaret Wright pitched. Probably one of the greatest mound performances in a World Series Game seven loss (or elimination game for that matter).
Exactly how I feel for the Yankees in the 2001 World Series. Joe Torre made a big mistake to pull out Clemens. He even told Joe he can finish it.
Makes you sick I'm sure if your a Indians player & you saw what Brian Anderson & Omar Vizquel saw among others that close.
At least BA got a ring in 2001
Bip Roberts as well
If by "little dinker" out to right field you mean the sharpest possible base hit by CJ, then you're very much correct Mike.
that was a little dinker lol
@@codym2049 by Johson? cmon that's a line drive
Bad luck to see a World Series trophy before winning the World Series.
Sounds like game 6 of the 1986 World Series
@@courtgizzle good point.
Why would they go to the trouble of removing the plastic from the lockers and wheeling out the trophy because the Marlins had simply TIED the game? Did they have some premonition that the Indians couldn't possibly win it? Wouldn't it make more sense to put plastic on BOTH teams' lockers and keep the trophy in some neutral place until the end of the game?
When the Marlins had won, if the celebratory decorations had still been in the Indians locker room, it would’ve been way to much work to assemble all that, stage included, in 10-20 minutes. The guys were probably setting up at the start of the 8th inning in the Indians clubhouse. It’s a neutral position.
How is the Indians' clubhouse a "neutral position"?
ABoxOfBroken8Tracks I meant that after the Marlins had tied the game, they most likely disassembled the celebration and moved in between the two clubhouses.
What gets me is removing the plastic from the Indians' lockers. Like plastic is so scarce they could only have it in one locker room. Why not both, if it's a close game in the late innings?
ABoxOfBroken8Tracks 💰
😂😂😂😂 one time for Florida
I feel bad for that Indians team... but I'm sorry that Marlins team deserved that title. Jim Leyland, Bobby Bonilla, Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown, Al Leiter, Charles Johnson, Darren Daulton, Jim Eisenrich..... these guys earned that ring with their blood sweat and tears. I wish more people would realize how great that series was though.. one of the top 5 best ever IMO
You forget Jeff Conine, the heart of the team in the first few years before they put those other guys together.
@@americandissident9062 Him, Sheffield, and a few others were the heart of the team
Was watching this live. Awesome game. Man those Indian teams were amazing. 1 of the top 3 line-ups of all-time.
Classic
Why does nobody talk about this series? Im a huge baseball fan and ive never seen anything about this.
*Born in 96 for context
Partly because the Marlins basically popped up in ‘97 as a decent team, nothing amazing, and stunningly won the WS, but IMMEDIATELY sold off all of their good players to become basically a AAA team, so it never had a chance to become a story. Happened almost exactly the same way in 2003. Sucked for years, then became decent and got a wild card spot again, and miraculously won the WS, and once again sold everyone off in the offseason. They’ve only made the playoffs one time since then, last year I think, and lost.
No one discusses it much because the Marlins are a team with two WS titles but zero history whatsoever.
@americandissident9062 except the marlins did not sell everyone after 2003. They lost Pudge Rodriguez and Derreck Lee to free agency, but the team was the same. They even finish above 500 just not enough for the playoffs and the same happened in 05. So, inform yourself better
Awesome!
In my mind, the Indians were the real 1997 MLB champions, regardless of whether or not they got that World Series win. Say what you want, but Cleveland during the 90s had one of the most memorable and entertaining teams in baseball history. To have that World Series win taken away like that from the Marlins (A team full of quick trades and last minute deals assembled to win one championship that would blow it up the following year), is one of the most heartbreaking things about this loss. Those players worked their asses off hoping to make up for the 1995 WS loss, and came up empty yet again. And of course to all the fans back home in Cleveland, it was just another slap in the face to reality that it was too good to be true. The Indians will always be the real spriitual champions of 1997...
got em
I felt it should have been Atlanta in that World Series. I mean, only two Marlins have potential HOF careers, in my opinion - Moises Alou, who fell off the ballot early, and Gary Sheffield, who has the PED connections to his name. Should have been Braves-Orioles that year.
If the Braves had won the NLCS, they would have been in the World Series. But they didn't. They lost in 6 games with the Marlins winning all their games against Smoltz, Glavine and Maddux. Doesn't matter about the HOF careers. What matters is who showed up win it mattered, and that was the Marlins.
marcumty the Orioles were good back then
Except those teams lost, so that's why the Indians and Marlins deserved to be there. So there's that.
@@KWCline91 Very good
Na. Should of been yankees and Braves again in 1997.
Omg 😭🙈
The Curse of the Grotesquely Racist Mascot
Brian Biekman they've won it twice as the Indians...
Pussy
If it’s a curse it’s over, because they’re getting rid of it
Not since 1948
I’m now here that this Cleveland team is changing the name