Falsely Convicted by Dead Witness? | Kimberly Long Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2021
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Kimberly Long?
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This is a good example of how just because someone is a bad person, it doesn’t also make them a murderer.
I remember talking to a person at work about a murder of some child and he was saying how the police, had charged the child's intellectually disabled uncle. I was a bit suspicious about this. But my co-worker said "but they got him to confess and he failed a polygraph" Yeah.... Never talk to the cops even if you are innocent.
Yup, never talk to the cops. You'll end up regretting it most of the time. Which is a shame since they're supposed to help you (in theory)
@@0ne01 Absolutely, it’s not worth the dice roll.
Yes as a true crime buff for at least 40 years it seems once the hammer is in the cops hands everything is a nail. Never talk to them. I got out of a perjury case once by refusing to discuss one damn thing without a Lawyer. I took a class twice one year to get rid of two tickets when only one was allowed. They were after the lady running the class and they got her. She would take the money and let you skip the class.
@@Richard.Hybels and the cops will continue to hit the nail they believe is the right one, and I've seen so many cases where they flat out ignore new evidence if it contradicts what the scenario they have in their head is.
It's a major shame, and it's really sad.
Gosh even as far back as when I was in college circa 1991 it was known polygraph tests were unreliable and had nothing to do with telling the truth. I thought they were not admissible in court?
Anyways , never talk to the cops is spot on. And ironically, that's exactly what Brian and his parents are doing and so many people are flat out chastising them. That's exactly what I would do and advise anyone else I knew to do.
This is the most tragic Jerry Springer episode ever.
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I would never want to be judged by a jury of my peers, because most of the time my peers are stupid and bias and incapable of comprehensive thought that doesn't include their own opinion at the core. I've always thought about that. We just accept jury trial as absolute judgment, fact. They're just 12 people.
Who tend to side with police & prosecution!!!!!
Couldn’t agree more! When you think of the amount of 💩 in the media that they listen to & watch on a daily basis!!!
Would you yourself refuse jury service on these same grounds? Or do you think you'd make a good juror?
@@eadweard. I'm not pompous enough to assume I'd make a good juror when the reality is the court of law is supposed to be about the law and not emotions. I'm not versed in the law and I only relate to it most of the time based on my own experience, morals and thought processes. As those are each unique to me, I don't see how 12 people can come to a consensus without absolutely irrefutable evidence. While law scholars, judges, etc are not exempt from human error I think I may want to leave judgment to those adequately educated enough to look at evidence without attaching emotional bias. So no, I'd make a terrible juror. I cry when I see an animal hit on the side of the road, I'd never be able to look past my emotions.
Then you’re very silly. Juries are statistically less likely to find defendants guilty.
@@julielevinge266 Judges side with those more so.
Everyone in this story was just.....so classy lol
doc has a soft spot or females, she likely did it , who is to say jeff didnt cover or her saying where she was or what she wore?
@@tankthearc9875 After watching a lot of his videos I haven't noticed a bias myself. However, I immediately thought the same thing about her clothes. This is the problem with circumstantial evidence: one assumption (the veracity of Jeff's testimony) builds on more assumptions (the veracity of the timeline) and you end up with "certainty" based on a weak chain of assumptions. A chain of even likely assumptions ads up to a potentially flawed assessment. I was also thinking that if Jeff was drunk, he might not even notice a change of clothes. Bikers and their girlfriends often wear all black, fairly non-descript clothing.
I still think there's reasonable doubt. But she's the best suspect.
My thoughts exactly. They all deserved each other.
"This nonsensical, fantasy-based machine" Yup, I'm amazed so many people still believe they're accurate lie detectors
It is used by Ron Hubards Sci fi writer followers!
I remember reading great insightful science article on lie detectors in my early uni days. It shattered all my assumptions about the machine. Bonkers it still has ani validity in the field
Seems like its primary use is in pressuring suspects to confess to crimes when the police have no evidence.
They are toys! They measure body functions. I'll never understand what that has to do with lying. Everybody reacts different to lying. Fact 💯
I can understand it. Authority figures constantly speak to it's veracity, as do mainstream media and people like Dr Phil. I'm pretty well informed and although I've known for years they weren't reliably accurate and were inadmissible in courts, if it wasn't for my increasing interest in true crime, I never would have come across the truth regarding polygraph: that they're pretty close to being a scam.
You have to keep reminding yourself of the nebulous nature of informational networks. Plenty of people have no interest in true crime, so why would they know?
As a side note, scientists have been experimenting with MRI scans as lie detectors, and they very well may be reliable lie detectors because humans engage certain areas of the brain when lying. By mapping the electrical activity, researches have had some pretty amazing results detecting lies.
Everybody involved in this case is off their rocker. You've got two stalker exes, plus a dysfunctional and turbulent couple (Kimberly and Ozzie) and then the motorcycle side dude.
It's called a sidecar I think.
Motorcycle side dude.... I see what you did there...ROFL
Poor kids.
Yes I agree. Seemed like the type of trashy people you definitely wouldn't want as neighbors.
I thought the same. Sometimes it is lonely having three cats and only seeing friends/family on occasional weekends. Many times, I just thank God.
We are hearing about some really upstanding individuals here.
12 beers and 10 shots.... 😲 That is a LOT of alcohol!
I agree with you, I don't believe she's guilty.
Love your face expression whenever you talk about lie detectors! 😂
Visually, the polygraph process reminds me of a Scientology auditing session. About equally scientific, too.
So true! Machine even looks somewhat alike!
Side story many years ago, me and my brother were working at a gas station. Money was missing so we all had to take lie detector tests and tell our story.
So it turned out money was missing on the same shifts my brother was working so he was fired. But I know for a fact he never stole 1$ from the station!
@@wowihaveachannel4862 I wonder if it was even legal for them to administer polygraph tests. Sorry for your brother, it must've been a terrible feeling at the time.
@@wowihaveachannel4862 Tara awful for your brother to experience at a young age. I hope he didn’t grow up distrusting the world.
@@margaretr5701 i don't know if it was legal or not but I had to take one too. I was 16,he was 17 at the time and it was our first job. We didn't know anything about rights and laws for lie detector tests. The owner was very tight with money for sure. We had to count cash and inventory everything at closing. Gosh I was making like 4.75 an hour. Lol
This case had reasonable doubt all over it
2:15 Jeff really knows how to fill out a frame
And the cops really know how to fill out a story and frame someone.
@I.C. Turner Nice:) I set 'em up, you knock 'em out!
I was all ready for you to say that you deemed her guilty in reality, but I'm glad you didn't. I agree. She *might* be, but she just didn't have much of a motive and how on Earth could someone so drunk clean herself up without leaving any trace of her cleaning efforts (like wet taps or any remnant connecting her to the crime specifically)? I doubt someone in that state could even dispose of the items secretly, which is the easier of the two things. The time window isn't too narrow if the house was being observed.
She was also quite drunk. How could she have overpowered or gotten the drop on Ozzie?
More to the point, how could she have methodically cleared away all the pieces of evidence that she supposedly did?
It also might explain why she thought Ozzie was breathing.
Listen 12 beers and 10 shots most of us mortal humans would be passed out. How she was standing is beside me and she drank even more in the jacuzzi. What a trooper!
The fact she had the wherewithal to call 911 is a miracle and she called twice!
who said how much she had was the truth?
@@tankthearc9875Exactly. At no point was her blood alcohol level mentioned. They never tested it.
Definitely don't think she murdered Ozzy. And thank you for calling out polygraphs for the crap show that they are. 💯
yeah aundria, i've never heard of this case until this video so i know nothing. but i'm kind of with you, i could possibly see her dealing with some clothes & getting rid of some shit, but how hard would it be to have NO dna/blood on you, not one little spec. i don't see it. and damn, i've never thought of that whole dry faucet thing, think how instinctual it would be to run a little water to at least wash your hands. i mean i guess she had a hot tub so maybe she was brilliant...except that she's not. and she was wasted, i don't see her pulling that off. i also don't see this 90 minute window being that unbelievable, especially since we're dealing with stalkers.
12 beers? I’m from the north east of England, a notoriously hard drinking part of the world & 12 beers is canny harsh even for us! Plus shots I’m guessing that if that’s true she was completely out of her head 😬 sounds like a big story to me .
How much is a beer ...here in Sweden we have small cans 3,5 dl I think. So almost 4 of those is 1liter.
American beer is notoriously weak
It’s never a good thing when investigators have tunnel vision from the beginning.
Apparently they just have to pin it on someone and just don't care if someone else did it. Letting a murderer go free?
Which is often.
And they almost always do.
The worst part is their refusal to admit the mistake(s), even after it's apparent they were completely wrong.
@@kingayy9267 They never do. They just double down on it. It's scary.
Commenting for the algorithm. I really enjoy your content. Really hope more people have the opportunity to see it!
Wow! An algorithm got a human to do something in actual print! Brave new world!🤖
This lady works with my wife, and she is a total angel. She has moved on with her life and works to help others who have been falsely accused. She is a great person and it makes me sad to know this type of thing can happen to anyone. Crazy to think they were able to convict her with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
The prosecution success in the US, for any crime that goes to trial, is over 98%. I think it shows alot. IDK why anybody speaks to Police without a lawyer, or agrees to a Polygraph these days? You are literally fighting the unlimited finances and connections of an entire State. Also a reason many innocent ppl just take deals, knowing they have less than a 2% chance of winning.
Sure doesn't sound like an angel. Hell's Angel?
Angel, my ass. Attention seeker flirting with everyone, sleeps with the idiot she leaves with. Kicked her husband out to accommodate the new guy. Angel. Classy. Pffft.
@@tfs203 Sounds like the deck is definitely stacked against the avg bloke unless you have $ and connections like O.J.
@@BobbyNewb You have to realize she was very young when all of this happened and is a completely different person now. She does not drink or do anything else. You don't know what her relationships were like. You only have the info from this video.
ALWAYS love not only the information but the rim shot worthy occassional dry reference to riduclousness or hypocrisy :) Dr. Grande, you really could have a secondary career in comedy!
Secondary only because we need you here!
Sex, alcohol, and violence! This case has it all plus a “ nonsensical, fantasy based machine “. I agree with you Dr Grande, I don’t believe there’s enough here to convict her. Love the shirt color on you!
I read your comment before the end of the video and assumed you were referring to the Harley Davidson motorcycles. Lol it’s a perfect description for Harleys.
@@jessepitt hahaha
I agree 100%. I think she is a miracle of life because she lives through that much drinking. She’s one tough chick. Anyway I also love the pink shirt.
Never having wine again it’s not worth a false conviction 👀
I stopped drinking alcohol because it triggers migraines. But alcohol causing murder accusations makes a much better conversation starter! I'm using that from now on.
Your controlled sense of humor is the best part of your analysis.
I'm surprised she would have remembered anything after 12 beers and about 11 shots. 😆Interesting case Dr Grande! Love your analysis of the facts on this one! Thank you doc!💖💖
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There’s a lot of unanswered question to be sure that Kim is guilty. This definitely is an interesting case.
Great video Dr Grande!!
Wow, Dr. G, what a riveting story! Great analysis and great advice! I love your opinion on lie detector exams and agree with your advice on remaining silent when questioned by law enforcement. I think this is my new video of yours 🤗! Love and appreciate you, Dr. Grande, and love your channel so much 🥰😚❤️.
I agree that she was innocent. To think she could kill by bludgeoning and not get blood on her, dispose of the missing items all while very drunk is hard to imagine.
who is to say jef didnt lie and cover for her ?
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dr grande is the only man i listen to without the fear of being gaslighted
Maybe a bit extreme?
I dont know, I appreciate your sense of humor. It isnt easy to bring a smile or laugh when discussing these topics
My own armchair analysis - Why would Kimberly have any desire to murder after Jeff gave her the business at his place? It doesn't add up. Logically, she would've wanted to go to bed upon returning home.
Were there any assets involved? That would be my next question.
"Arguing at any point doesn't make sense" 👍👍 Thank you for great analysis Dr. Grande. Greetings from Europe 💗
Dr G! i don’t always comment but i watch all of your vids and sometimes the podcast! i actually learn AND i always get a giggle out of your dad jokes! thanks so much for your vids!!
A suggestion/ request for a case analysis that has bothered me from the beginning- Christian Andreacchio, his cause of death, his ex-gf & friend.
"...as breathing is a common activity observed in most patients.." LOL I almost died! Way to go Dr. Grande!
Prosecutors decide she was guilty no matter what the evidence????
It certainly wasn’t proved!!!
Classy lady. Making her mama proud.
Dr. Grande needs a detective show like Colombo 😆. He'll solve the crime and at the end he turn to the camera and give a monologue on story all in his deadpan delivery for the whole show!! 😑 😆
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Loved every film he was ever in, esp Cookie w/ Dianne Wiest and The In-Laws w/ Alan Arkin.
Ty, Doc, for the first laugh of my day. Boy, did I need your wit today! Best to all the Grandes;)
Love your videos always spot on👍🏻
In most European countries Polygraph are only used in some ridiculous TV Shows 🤭 La Maquina de la Verdad 🤣.
Always interesting.
Thank you.
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Caught it early today! Thank you, Doc!
Dr. Grande, I love your videos! You are truly my favourite UA-cam content creator!
I have relatively high neuroticism and somewhat low consciousness. I have a tendency to avoid difficult feelings and emotions, as well as unpleasant experiences (so, a lot of procrastination)
Could you please make a video giving advice on how to manage or improve these personality apects so that they do not interfere as much with everyday life and responsibilities.
Thank you so much!
The characters in this story remind me of Tiger King but with more dysfunction.
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Another complex, sad, strange case. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟
10:24 absolute comedy gold! Love your stuff Dr. Grande
Hey Doc, I have a request. Can you make a video about the "central park five"? There's a really good series on Netflix about the case, "when they see us". It's only 4 or 5 episodes long. Thaks!
Has Netflix ever produced anything that reflects positively on the criminal justice system?
@ yeah I know mate that was rather my point
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You are the voice of reason! I will suggest your point about alcohol consumption leading to unjust murder convictions avidly from now on!!
Brilliantly stated and how to keep out of the sucker punches in real life.
Dr. Grande, I recently saw a documentary titled “ body snatchers of New York “. What a scheme and the poor families left to deal with it. They removed bones and replaced them with pvc pipes. Perhaps you can again help us understand. Thank u again.
Would be interested in a Dr Grande analysis of the new Netflix documentary Britney vs Spears
Great job
Hey, good job. Thank you
Have you ever heard about Matt and Brian Sexton? Matt only, supposedly, killed their parents in 1998 in Polk county Oregon. I've been waiting for someone to do their story in the true crime circuit. It was big news in my area and I was a year behind the younger boy in school. Would love to see you do their story. P.s. your channel is wonderful. Thank you for being my Daria of psychology and true crime 😂💖😘
Your channel is growing rather quickly- Almost to your 1 Million Subs and it's well-deserved! I appreciate all your work, insight, and humor. Have a good one Dr. G 😊
Thanks, Doc.
Hello Dr. Grande! Keep up with the spiffy shirts. Throughly enjoy your talks. Would you consider doing a discussion about the death of Baby Sterling in 2017? It's beyond comprehension how a mother totally neglect one child over another and leave him to die such a horrible death. Thanks again.
It's a shame that she had to go through that. I've had to deal with false allegations and an arrest in my past and it's a pretty rough thing to go through. Mine was a sexual assault charge and, let me tell you, you really find out who your friends are and who has your back when something like that happens.
Thank you Dr. for presenting this the way you did. You kept a complicated story with a lot of moving parts in a coherant and simple manner that was easy to digest.
I'm invested in this new anti-alcohol misuse campaign. 😄
I have a diagnosed Learning Disability. There is no hope of keeping this people straight. Having said that, how on earth could someone remain standing after consuming that much alcohol in such a short period of time?
Early viewer today! I wonder if there's any Halloween-themed crimes/individuals to discuss - tis' the season :)
Halloween is a special time to a lot of us! We are "allowed" to be silly! Also candy is included!
“Not drinking as a way to avoid being falsely accused of homicide-“ nice one!👌🏼
Great lessons at the end of the video, you are undoubtedly the voice of reason.
Thank you for the consistently fantastic job with your reviews.❤️
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I often wonder why more bench trials are not conducted. This sounds like the perfect example of why bench trials should always be an option.
I am not a lawyer, but was under the assumption that most criminal cases in most jurisdictions allow the defendant to choose between bench and jury trials.
Hindsight is usually 20/20, but in this case it seems her choice was wrong.
Yes, the defendant can decide between a jury or bench trial.
Most people don't understand that a judge is most likely to use the law in a decision. Where as many juries aren't likely to stick to the law and use their emotions and preconceived ideas about people.
@@vangu2918 exactly
@@rachaelhume1818 In Florida the defendant can choose between a bench or jury trial, but I think the prosecution has to agree to it(?), which of course they almost always will.
Defense lawyers usually recommend going with the jury.
I don't know why the trial Judge didn't enter a J.O.A. (Judgement of Acquittal) when the prosecution rested, if he believed that they hadn't met their burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt (?)
Also, I believe the trial Judge can override a jury's guilty verdict if the evidence was insufficient to support a conviction (?)
They can't override a jury's not guilty verdict, however bogus it may be.
(I'm not a lawyer, my fairly extensive layperson knowledge is based on doing the (voice) narration on numerous non-fiction audio books, documentaries etc)
Once again, I agree with your analysis 🧐
Please cover the evil landlady, Dorothea Peunte? Thanks Dr. Grande.
Doc G!! Who among us has started a journal / book / catalogue of the cacti? I can't keep up. Please drop link.
Not being falsely accused of murder is always a good thing.. put the alcohol down!
Lesson learned doctor.
“No alcohol, ladies.”
Thanks Dr. Grande for the great video 💯. Your shirt is beautiful 💕.
Well! So all the deficit falls on the "ladies"? Not quite fair is it? I do get that to be perfectly safe all a woman has to do is stay locked in her room! But really is that the answer? Because as you know it won't happen!
@@bthomson Well Virginia Woolf did want a room of her own. There's no pleasing some people.
Great shirt choice Dr Grande!
She had 12 beers and 10 shots if that was her usual alcohol intake it's a wonder her liver didn't explode.
Kimberly was Drunk, omg, no drunk could pull that off! Great job Dr.💜
Good morning everyone , and Dr. Grande . I have a question 🤔 Dr. Grande would you ever consider doing a livestream , or have you ever did a livestream ?
Please cover the Satara Stratton case?
Breathing is a common activity..... I love the humor.
Can you do a video analyzing Charles Grodin? He passed earlier this year.
Blood spatter isn't always massively present, even at scenes of considerable violence. It's entirely possible for someone to be free of blood spatter after beating someone to death.
this case, this murder preventable, all could be solved if people would just let go. Bad choices and sleeping around does not a murderer make, the cops just want to close stuff. everyone just stops looking for the real killer. if she didnt do it I suppose its a terrible thing.
she was arguing about his insecurity but goes to cheat? what a hussie
Hi Doctor. I would like you to take a look at the Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito case from the stand point of their emotions. Why did they break off their engagement just before their trip ? What a strange thing to do. Was it mutual or was it one of them who insisted on this ? We know they were fighting in Moab and Brian lost his cool in the Wyoming restaurant. Did this upset Gabby a lot or had she already told him it was over and he started unraveling ? Did she tell him it was over and he couldn't take it and murdered her ? We may never know the sequence of events unless Brian tells us. I just think this timeline is very interesting. What are your thoughts ?
I agree with your recommendation of being motivated to not excessively consume alcohol because one is more likely to be falsely accused of homicide by law enforcement when intoxicated. That should be taught beginning at a young age.
CAN YOU PLEASE COVER CASHAWN!! She is youtuber and fitness instructor who was last seen on the 8th but uploaded a UA-cam video on the 11th and the video is WILD. Would love to see your analysis and it might help get the case more traction?
the end killed me
During jury selection, I wonder if attorneys actually prefer Dr Grande's knowledge and experience, or if they pass because of it? He's fair, so he would follow all the laws & rules. It could go either way on both sides
Think if 9 out of 10 people say innocent, then that’s quite enough doubt!!
I've listened to ton of your videos and always enjoy. one common theme I notice is most if. not all of these people are drunk, high on something or both. it really makes me wonder how many of these horrible crimes could have been avoided if people were not out of their minds. I am not anti alcohol but I do think when people abuse it which is all the time that disasters happen. there are very few things in life that disinhibit people the way alcohol does. it almost makes me wonder if people drink because they want that out of control feeling so that when they do something awful even if they get caught they can ease their minds by saying it wasn't ME.
“I just arrived home”
Classic line
Damn! I better put this bottle of jack Daniels down!
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I absolutely agree-💯👍
12 beers and 10 shots? I’d be comatose if I consumed 1/4 that amount. I’m thankful that, in my early 20s, I suffered terrible hangovers if I drank too much. I haven’t been drunk since July 1978 (when I was 23). I haven’t had any alcohol in years. There is a lot of alcoholism in my family so it’s probably for the best that I don’t like alcohol.
Dr Grande such a puritan
I was shocked 😳 to see Oswaldo
Will you consider an analysis on "battle of wits" tv show on E! Entertainment?