1988 olympic TKD welter semi Jay Warwick (USA) vs Chung Kook-Hyun (KOR)
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2012
- WARNING! adjust volume if you are using headphones. it's LOUD! tae kwon do 1988 olympics semi final welterweight division between chung kook hyun of south korea and jay warwick of the u.s.a. hyun went on to stop the italian d'oriano for the gold medal (to accompany his 4 world championships). both defeated semi-finalists awarded bronzes
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Tkd nowadays feels like a dance, this in the other hand looks like actual fighting, you can feel the power in some of those kicks. We need this back
Some dance looks even more powerful. 😂
we should make a separate organization of non-electronic scoring, run by past champions. i want to see more of this
Why not just fight for knockout and points be damned? Win by knockout is allowed
I fully agree with you!!
no then people would win because other people think they scored rather than actual scoring!!!!!
what we need is harder type fighters not these pussys
@@mykulpierce If you knew a thing or 2 about the mechanics of fighting you would know that fighting for KO in TKD is impossible. It's like going for the home run in Baseball.
I've been watching TKD in the past few olympics and been so disappointed. I have to come back to these old clips to see how it used to be. I got my black belt in 1999, and TKD in the olympics today is unrecognizable.
I remember this back in 1988. I also competed in TKD. I watched this fight over a hundred times on my VHS tape. I will never forget this. And i met Jay once in 1991 and spoke to him. What memories!!
Being Korean, CKH was a GOD in TKD during that time. When I was in TKD, our instructor has this on tape and would stop-play every move of that finish, a thing of beauty....switches positions, to back, to back spinning hook kick to the head. The judging/scoring system is such crap now.
yeah i think hyun had won 3-4 world championships before this. i started off in TKD (ITF style) in my early teens but moved on to boxing and a little judo. i recorded this video when it was on live. i have cousins who taught english in seoul and i wish i could visit there, someday. i will probably visit tokyo in a couple of years. hopefully the olympics in feb will go smoothly and they won't have any problems with their neighbor.
Yup. He dominated the 80's and won the WC's all in a row. No offense, but you needed WTF style. That's what people get confused with here in the states. The true, accepted style was WTF and it got muddled when it broke off into factions such as ITF and ATA. You could be ranked No.1 in ITF or ATA with a perfect fight record and yet, you'd never get even a invitation to try out for the Olympics.
Definitely visit Seoul and the Kukkiwon if you have a chance. The heart and center of TKD is there.
yeah, i'm sure the politics hasn't gotten any friendlier, but the term TKD itself came from general choi hong hi in 1955, who later published the first TKD syllabus in english in '65 and founded the ITF in '66. the itf did not break off from the wtf. the itf existed long before the wtf and the ITF founder goes back to the early implementation of TKD in the korean military in the mid 1950's. here's just one example from that ITF line tkd-boston.com/about-grand-master-kim.html. i recorded this video when it was broadcast live at the seoul olympics, so before then there was no olympic TKD. i'm no TKD aficionado and am not pretending to be, but i was at least acquaintances with itf guys who fought in 1987 pan am games and tried out for '88 olympic team. i also had relatives in hapkido. in my humble opinion, they all had different things to offer and talented people in them. what turned me away was the retail aspect of TKD that was way more focused on corraling people into big classes of people punching from the saddle stance and paying fees for tests and crazy prices for gi's without much return on the investment for most students. again, there were some talented people and all styles have something to offer, but too many without any real ability to use any of those techniques even in the very limited sparring scenarios. from what i saw, the wtf sparring rules were even more constricting. yes, the emphasis was on great balance and kicking, and i can appreciate that to this day, but i quickly switched to boxing and judo and thai boxing because i enjoyed the less restricted full contact. i felt i could have spent years and thousands of dollars in TKD and never even known what techniques i could use in real free sparring scenarios against different styles. even mentioning boxing or grappling was like blasphemy to those people. mma wasn't around until the 90's and even then it was just a gracie system informercial. since then, it has evolved far beyond the gracies into a real combat sport of its own combining grappling and striking where you can quickly discover what works and what doesn't. of course every sport and art will have rules and limitations and what it offers the spirit and character is most important. i'm curious how everything will evolve in another 25 years from now and wonder if the holistic "do" structure of asian martial arts will survive. seasons greetings and keep kicking!
Exactly the same feelling. I loved the sport back then and have watched every one of the matches from the 88 Olympics over and over again. stopping at certain points to watch in slow motion and amazed of how smooth the entire Korean Team were. Hands down the best Team by far. The way the sport turned out now is such shame. Its hard to believe that they allowed it to be this way.Too Bad!!!
I am sorry, but your knowledge in this matter is inaccurate. As a former Vice President of the USTU (NGB at that time under the USOC), I would like to set the record straight:
By U.S. Law [Amateur Sports Act of 1978], any American athlete can make their way to the Olympics in their sport. In TKD, "try-out invitations" did not exist for anyone, WTF or otherwise.
In 1988, this was, and (basically) still is the four-step procedure for becoming an Olympian in Taekwondo in theUSA:
1. Any citizen was welcome to register as an athlete with the USTU. The requirements were filling our a short application and mailing it with $25 (at that time).
2. Once registered, they could then compete in their State's USTU sanctioned championship. Those who finished 1, 2 or 3 in their division, were eligible to enter the USTU's National Championship for that year.
3. At the annual National Championship, all who placed 3rd or better, plus two others who were "seeded" by another route (such as having made the team the previous year), were eligible to register for the annual US National TKD Team Trials.
4. Team Trials, typically held at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, is a two-day, round-robin competition in which the best 6 in each weight and gender category compete head to head in Olympic (WTF) Style competition. The Winner of each division become the US TKD team member for that year. If it is an Olympic Games year, those winners become the US Olympic Taekwondo Team.
For the record, some of our best TKD athletes had backgrounds in ATA, ITF, "Point Karate," Gung Fu and other martial arts. Naturally, training under WTF rules and among WTF-styled fighters was obviously advantageous, thus many of these fighters coming from other "styles" trained with WTF instructors and adapted to the system and rules.
But the fact remains that no US Citizen was ever denied a shot at making the team each year since the USTU was formed in 1974. FYI, what was the USTU is now called USA Taekwondo or USAT, with their HQ at the USOTC.
In making any given official US Team, everything depended on the individual's skill, ambition and the brains to find out how to become a USTU Member. For example, even a Shotokan Karate player could mail an application and (at the time) $25 bucks to USTU at the USOC HQ in Colorado, enabling them to take a shot at being an Olympic or World Champion. I hope you found this information useful.
Jay was well respected but that opening axe kick to his face was a legend
I heard that! I thought he was done then. Best no hands fight i have ever seen.
Thumbs up if you came here after watching the debacle that was Taekwondo in Tokyo Olympics.
Very cool. Mr Warwick was my Tae Kwon Do teacher in college and 1988 was my last year in his dojo.
Bellevue Fine Art Repro you were lucky to train with someone like warwick.
I’sure how one looks during sparring is really relative to how good the opponent is. I remember one of my instructors who taught our sparring class was really good. His kicks were really powerful, fast and knew many techniques. But when i saw him sparring in some competition, i was surprised to see him doing pretty much only some simple round house kicks and did lots of holdings. He looked like some very scared blue belt or something sparring against 2nd or 3 rd degree black belt.
So, i’m sure, even though warwick looked pretty bad against CKH in this fight, in real life, he was very fast, strong and many others were afraid of sparring against him. He seemed pretty fast considering he is like 6 or 6’1” since it says CKH is 5’9”.
My instructor was in the Olympic Training Center in the early 90's. He said the US team referred to Chung Kook Hyun as the "(Kook)ie Monster". He was considered the greatest in the world.
0:00 R.I.P. Headphone Users.
Taekwondo nowadays aint this great anymore...the electronic system destroyed the sport.
We train so hard with speed, agility , accuracy and power in our dojangs but we end up doing "ballet-leg-fencing" on the ring waiting for our opponent to make a mistake.
Perfectly true! Greetings from Russia
@@jacobrussia7963 zdrast vuytye! Spasiba comrad...
@@solosamurai3365 Anytime, friend, take care and good luck! "Kyonne!")
@@kevinbolt2780 No matter how much "fear" you try to instill to ur opponent it easily gets blocked by an emotionless "cut" kick on ur body...I am a licensed referee and I have officiated countless matches where sheer force simply doesnt work anymore. The more aggressive u kick the more u expose ur body to ur opponent.
...not unless if "you" are a blackbelt who spars with a white belt then i'd totally understand wat u mean by fear.
@Weghweh Hwewehwhe "touchkwondo" that term fits perfectly to the electronic tkd nowadays hehe
There will never be another Master Jung
Thanks for the upload, it's interesting to see how much the sport has changed.
Korean tkd was practice: technique. If you train as hard as they did against others that trained as hard the cream rises. I did this from 99-2004. The problem is that sparring partners aren't free and pad holders aren't either. You can train with people you trust or decide that you trust no one and train alone. The freedom of tkd in this video was always my ideal.
Ohoo.. That chest guard, nostalgic😢
Electronic better corner judge some points don't get scored. Electronic works like this three buzzers score the point that's 3 out of 4 pretty fair and straightforward. My teacher told me never stop kicking always move and it worked tkd is brilliant
The difference between TKD and other combat sports is... you never see it coming.
In Korea TKD is nowadays called "Feet fencing". I hate the electronic scoring shit
Today's Taekwondo fighters, Olympic fighters , would get slaughtered by this Champion !
Korea is no joke especially at that time, so FAR ahead of ANY rivals. They were n are the truth when it comes to Taekwon do.
Wahooo !!!
Le "PANDEY" à la fin!!! 🙊 😍 👊 ❤ 💪 👍👍👍
La vieja escuela
excellent fighting on both sides best techniques now these r missing
Those were the days....
😮 Thanks for sharing bro. The knock out kick near the end is reminiscent of Joe Rogan's iconic knock out kick at the beginning of his match.👍👍👍
there was an international tournament called the US open that JR won twice around this time, and i think he was "grand champion" (best of all the divisions) of one of them. he was world class at this, then did some kickboxing in rhode island, and got BB's in no-gi grappling from eddie bravo and gi grappling from jj machado. JR is not just a talker. all must respect the legendary tien-li tornado kick of death, though. shtay alert!
@coelho sports & rec 😁Well said, Christo-Capone!!! I'm always impressed with your wealth of historical knowledge, including about JR. You actually knew this already, but I'll say it again: JR was in my home room daily; bench pressing 210 pounds, while he only weighed 120 pounds (in the NS wrestling team) Not to mention JR's other talents..
This is how you fckin open the fight. No bullcrap. I mean, even though Warwick is obviously far worse fighter, this is just the way how to go through fight like this. First you almost knock him out so he knows his place, then u play with ur food a bit, then u knock him out with a nice tehnique for the audience. And when u finish like that, everybody see it, everybody know it, and everybody respect it. Probably, most of them fear it aswell. This is not a win in just one fight, fights like this give much more than just one win. All of it in the first round. Well done mr. Chung!
There goes down my grandmaster
he still medaled and picked up an impressive career medal collection. faced the best and just wasn't his day this time out.
Muhteşem Vuruş
What a beautiful spinning kick
🔥🔥🔥🔥
JUST LOOK AT THE POWER, THE BALANCE, THE SPEED! the TECHNIQUE! now it's just FENCING TO SCORE! not to win.... smh
TKD get ruined by the Olympics
Also by the rules and no full contact sparring. That explains why the group of TKD guys failed to fight against smaller group of gym employees in Jiangsu mall earlier this month
I agree this is what ruined tkd giving it a bad reputation
when I was training TKD in 80s under one of the TKD founder, it's probably the glorious era. we should have our hands up with pride...sad to see it get ruined since Olympics.……，to date, I still keep my hands up with lots more striking techniques, it's Muaythai! No regret to switch to beautiful Thai combat art. it's lot more solid!
@@willianchanrockin3952 lol, that is equivalent to abandoning tkd and embraced muay thai
@@jayjay53313 not at all ! Muaythai rules!
The action started at 2:58 mark
Martial arts to Sports
en tkd el mas alto o con brazo mas largo o piernas mas largo tiene ventajas , ademas del peso tendria que tenerse en cuenta estas cuestiones !!!!
mismo por boxeo y muay thai y mma, pero en esto evento, habilidad de chung supero cualquier desventaja fisica para division welter
Por el reglamento
Debería anularse lo de pes
EL. PESO NO CUENTA
SI LOS 2 MIDEN 170
PERO EL UNO PESA 90 KILOS Y EL OTRO SOLO 60
LQ VERDAD SON DE IGUAL ESTATURA Y TIEN POSIBILIDADES DE GANAR EL DE 60KILOS QUE ES MÁS RAPIDO
el peso no cuenta
La estatura SI
DEBERÍAN CONTROLAR LO DE ESTATURAS SIMILARES Y ASI IGUALAR LAS VENTAJAS Y QUE GANE EL MEJOR
@@CoelhoSports Nunca
EN BOXEO IMPORTA LA POTENCIA DE LA GOMPEADA
ASI QUE SI ERES MÁS LARGO
PERO MÁS DELGADO, POCO IMPORTA CUANDO EL OTRO ES MÁS FUERTE QUE TU.
En MMA lo largo es lo de menos cuando todo es en tierra y el más bajo tiene MÁS MASA MUSCULAR
en TKD. La potencia no importa es un tablero electrónico donde miden impacto preciso
Aqui tener piernas largas importa
DEBERIAN UNIFICAR ESTATURAS Y YA
KWON
The point system for sparring in ATA os shit compared to the point system in Korea
if you're in his level n fighting not inside a ring it will be hard even for a kick boxer or muaythai fighters. if you don't wear your head guard that front leg axe kick will knock you out cold. I know I was a taekwondo fighter to till 2008
Who won??
?? the fight is over at the end of the video. the korean who landed the wheel kick to the head won.
Historia
Hi
WTF taekwondo at its finest
rip they gave him us citizenship after
rip?!?! i thought he was still a WTF chair...
여기까지다 태권도는..
Yo shi kya ji da tae kwon do neun
Did I romanize that correctly my korean friend? Hehe
Im learning Hangul right now and i find ur language very interesting.
Daebak!
Does it bother anyone else that they never keep hands up?
this version of tkd has been an olympic sport for over 3 decades now. itf version used to, and may still, have punches to the head and different chest guards, which of course necessitated keeping the elbows in and hands up. blocking and avoiding only high kicks is a completely different game, though. if you've paid attention to this version of the sport at all, you would have noticed the trade-off they are going for. this isn't thai boxing and people interested in this are seeking something different: lots of fast high kicks and freakish balance.
Pakistan taekwondo. Have old school
Raymond Daniels would destroy them both
Pls learn ITF
I thought Koreans studied in school not train martial arts...
My kind of TKD!
wtf fights like this in real life???
people who fight in real life get arrested, stabbed, clubbed, shot, kicked in head when on the ground by several guys at once, thumbed, head butted, never wear a gi, never step on a scale to make sure they're in the same weight division, and there is never a referee, so no. this is an olympic sport and not real criminal activity. hope that helps.
@@CoelhoSports mma isn't a criminal activity
@@diegovasquez7610 mma is not real life. it's a sport.
@@CoelhoSports An sport that is way more realistic than taekwondo if you compare it to a "real fight". If you fight in a "real fight" like in the video you're dead, even if there's not weapons or more people. If you use mma or other style like wrestling, boxing, bjj, muay thai, amomg others, you have more posibilities to win
@@diegovasquez7610 your thoughts on what is real fighting and how to "win" it don't matter and your replies serve no purpose here. no sport is real fighting. i'm not even talking about light infantry or artillery or airstrikes. if you think mma is real fighting or close to it, you are vulnerable to putting yourself in positions where none of the things you think matter are going to help you. your train of thought is dangerous in the adult world, even against drunken untrained barfighters. the thing that will keep you out of the ER and court and jail, more than anything, is social and situational awareness and judgement. there are many other things that will help you avoid harm long before unarmed striking and grappling skills have any chance of helping you. your fate will probably be decided before that, and there are many examples all over youtube of people overconfident in mma competition experience, or simple mma training, thinking it is "real", getting badly hurt and killed when the real world gets ugly. spend a little time working in an ER and you will rethink everything. lets be honest, this talk of "real fighting" is self flattery at the expense of others and it doesn't belong here. the internet is big and you can lecture on what you know of real world fighting elsewhere. both of these guys have been very successful outside of their sport as adult men in civil society (the highest priority) and deserve respect. the way they live their lives is the best example of how adults should approach life and fighting.
Old but gold.for now taekwondo is a boring sport.
Не нравится мне этот спорт
зачем смотреть видео, которые вы знаете, что это не понравится? это как сказать что мне не нравится гавлушки, а потом есть больше.
Sooooo bad
Henry Cejudo would maul both of them in the same night
@Your Name Here any top 15 flyweight would destroy this guy in mma or kickboxing
i dont get how people say this is prime taekwondo when the fighters nowadays are better than this
Exactly. I'm not a Taekwondo practitioner, but I was invovled with MA for many decades and I remember how TKD was in the late 80s and 1990s. This line "old school taekwondo was better" is pure bullshit and I remember it well.
@@Ricardo-mr3bg really because the gold medal olympic match sucked
@@oyo1violin The problem with TKD is inherent to the art, not with a specific period of time.