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Very helpful. I switched from CU to Notion and wasted a lot of time learning that I really only want to use it for databases and public questionnaires. Now I’m going back to CU.
The way I see it is that for someone how feel the need to build everything from the ground up and loves the building and tweaking process Notion is a tempting solution, but if you are eager to get things done as effectively and quickly as possible, ClickUp or For instance Asana (which we use) is the the better way to go. And BTW we have after your recommendations tried out Miro, but found out that for our needs we prefer Milanote to gather and organize ideas. I really like your channel. Thanks for all your good work!
Thanks so much for your great feedback! My creation process tutorial/course is something that's on my list. :) But I have no ETA yet, as I am fully focusing on the ICOR Course and membership right now.
Tom, this is again a GREAT video! For beginners it shows the "new" docs with databases. And for the Pro's, they immediately understand your top explanations and differentiation between these tools, but with focus on what we need to do (no feature striptease, thanks)
Thanks for the thoughtful, balanced comparison of the the two tools across a couple of important workflows. I had been close to just going with Notion until I realized it lacks the ability to define/execute actions, no way to create an auto-incremented integral key field like one would use for a classic ID for an Issue Tracking database, things like that. And so just started experimenting with ClickUp today. So good timing :) and thanks again. I see also that Miro is trying to include some PM features as well now...
You can also add Coda, which has replaced Excel spreadsheets for me because it does things that are not possible in Notion (the formulas are much better and more flexible in Coda). You have to test each app for a while and then over time you will actually find out which is better for which purpose. What doesn't work: one app for everything. That is often the wish of many, but let's be honest, it just doesn't work! Many people use Notion as a content calendar/planner and this combination of wiki and simple database works great in Notion. As you also said, everything is a page... and that has some advantages! But when it comes to planning/project management but also task planning, I find Notion unsuitable. This is better done with any task manager like Todoist or with apps like Clickup or Monday if the focus is more project managment and teams
So, I set up Clickup for my LIFE today in about 3 hours--and that included watching a couple of how-to videos. To have set up the same thing in Notion, it would have taken me 3 days. Notion is a HUGE time suck, and that's the main reason I quit using it. Not to mention it doesn't have quite the project based functionality of Clickup. I know you can't connect info in Clickup the same way, but honestly, it doesn't take me long to get to another place in Clickup--so it's not that big a deal. Great video, thanks!
Hey Tom - I would love to see you do a video reviewing some of the best habit-tracking apps out there. Habit tracking isn't strictly project management, but it's still a core part of productivity I feel ;)
Huge Notion user here. Once you get the hang of it, it's super easy. Clickup feels heavy/cheap and taped together by scotch tape. Don't even get me started on their "Docs". Curious what 3.0 will bring bc while their concepts are good, the experience is horrible.
I've been digging deep in Clickup for 7 days. Can't copy and paste forms... can't even easily find them to edit. And now the big deal breaker, if you create a form that automatically creates a task (cool) that task will not be seen on the dashboard (such as a dashboard for a support ticket or a dashboard of the installation manager seeing completed jobs). NO UPDATE at all. What you say? Yep, the manager will not see any update unless they read the mind of the team member who submitted the form and magically know to manually update the dashboard... as in do a hard refresh on their browser. I can't even imagine how any company uses this app! Thanks for your comments about Notion - I'm heading there now.
@@DerekShenk Yea man, in my experience, its like everything in Clickup needs a hard refresh (even in desktop app) for it to be seen. Notion ain't perfect bc its a blank canvas, but as long as you know what you wanna build, you can create some pretty awesome stuff and collab nicely.
I have my own company with no employees and I struggle with which service would be the best. I have clients and each client has multiple people at it. I feel like notion might be best but can't commit.
And - at least the last time I checked - both lack the most important feature for me: Full-Text Search in all content of a "project" (incl the attachments and handwritten stuff). For some crazy reason, only Evernote seems to be able to do this...
@@paperlessmovement haha, yes.. as longtime subscriber of your channel, i already bought most of apps you've recommend and this "miro" thing is rather new to me, although i already tried some whiteboard apps before, but it offered unlimited member collaboration in free account and it's rare now.
Thanks for your honesty, Jon! You’ll be happy to read that we have updated our core values. Part of this is to publish only to the point / no fluff videos that are 5-9 min. Hope to see a positive feedback on our upcoming videos starting this Sunday! 🚀✨
@@paperlessmovement In the end I still gave you those precious minutes haha.. (just had to speed it up to 1.4x!) I appreciate you taking the time to reply though, it shows that you really care about your audience's feedback! Best of luck with the channel!
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I have seen SO much content about these two tools, it’s confusing. Thank for comparing them in order to understand how they operate differently.
You are so welcome! Appreciate your comment 🙏
Very helpful. I switched from CU to Notion and wasted a lot of time learning that I really only want to use it for databases and public questionnaires. Now I’m going back to CU.
Norton is more playful and suitable for personal use. ClickUp is more practical and suitable for use in work.
The way I see it is that for someone how feel the need to build everything from the ground up and loves the building and tweaking process Notion is a tempting solution, but if you are eager to get things done as effectively and quickly as possible, ClickUp or For instance Asana (which we use) is the the better way to go.
And BTW we have after your recommendations tried out Miro, but found out that for our needs we prefer Milanote to gather and organize ideas. I really like your channel. Thanks for all your good work!
Your video production has such a high-end quality to it. Have you ever done a video on your process and tools for video creation?
Thanks so much for your great feedback! My creation process tutorial/course is something that's on my list. :) But I have no ETA yet, as I am fully focusing on the ICOR Course and membership right now.
Tom, this is again a GREAT video! For beginners it shows the "new" docs with databases. And for the Pro's, they immediately understand your top explanations and differentiation between these tools, but with focus on what we need to do (no feature striptease, thanks)
Wow! Thanks, Michael! Good to see that these videos are received with the intentions I've had for them. 🙌
Thanks for the thoughtful, balanced comparison of the the two tools across a couple of important workflows. I had been close to just going with Notion until I realized it lacks the ability to define/execute actions, no way to create an auto-incremented integral key field like one would use for a classic ID for an Issue Tracking database, things like that. And so just started experimenting with ClickUp today. So good timing :) and thanks again. I see also that Miro is trying to include some PM features as well now...
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this with us, Thomas! 🙌
You can also add Coda, which has replaced Excel spreadsheets for me because it does things that are not possible in Notion (the formulas are much better and more flexible in Coda).
You have to test each app for a while and then over time you will actually find out which is better for which purpose. What doesn't work: one app for everything. That is often the wish of many, but let's be honest, it just doesn't work!
Many people use Notion as a content calendar/planner and this combination of wiki and simple database works great in Notion. As you also said, everything is a page... and that has some advantages!
But when it comes to planning/project management but also task planning, I find Notion unsuitable. This is better done with any task manager like Todoist or with apps like Clickup or Monday if the focus is more project managment and teams
So, I set up Clickup for my LIFE today in about 3 hours--and that included watching a couple of how-to videos. To have set up the same thing in Notion, it would have taken me 3 days. Notion is a HUGE time suck, and that's the main reason I quit using it. Not to mention it doesn't have quite the project based functionality of Clickup. I know you can't connect info in Clickup the same way, but honestly, it doesn't take me long to get to another place in Clickup--so it's not that big a deal. Great video, thanks!
Are you still using clickup?
@@XGARXS Yes. I still really like it. :)
Hey Tom - I would love to see you do a video reviewing some of the best habit-tracking apps out there. Habit tracking isn't strictly project management, but it's still a core part of productivity I feel ;)
Awesome suggestion, Nick! Thanks, it gets on my long list of productivity tools to make videos about 😃👍
Click-Up looks really powerful. Have you compared it to Workfront PM? I think CU might be better. Thanks. Great video! 🙏
Huge Notion user here. Once you get the hang of it, it's super easy.
Clickup feels heavy/cheap and taped together by scotch tape. Don't even get me started on their "Docs". Curious what 3.0 will bring bc while their concepts are good, the experience is horrible.
My hopes are high that ClickUp 3.0 change exactly that 👍
I've been digging deep in Clickup for 7 days. Can't copy and paste forms... can't even easily find them to edit. And now the big deal breaker, if you create a form that automatically creates a task (cool) that task will not be seen on the dashboard (such as a dashboard for a support ticket or a dashboard of the installation manager seeing completed jobs). NO UPDATE at all. What you say? Yep, the manager will not see any update unless they read the mind of the team member who submitted the form and magically know to manually update the dashboard... as in do a hard refresh on their browser. I can't even imagine how any company uses this app! Thanks for your comments about Notion - I'm heading there now.
@@DerekShenk Yea man, in my experience, its like everything in Clickup needs a hard refresh (even in desktop app) for it to be seen. Notion ain't perfect bc its a blank canvas, but as long as you know what you wanna build, you can create some pretty awesome stuff and collab nicely.
Very helpful, thanks. Looking for a single source of truth for my growing business. I think clickup works better as a business planning tool.
A truly „Solid“ review and comparison.
Danke.
Danke! 🙌 Appreciate your kind feedback 🙋🏻♂️
What an amazing video! Thank you.
So..are you no longer using Coda to manage your video projects?. A truly „Solid“ review and comparison. Danke..
I have my own company with no employees and I struggle with which service would be the best. I have clients and each client has multiple people at it. I feel like notion might be best but can't commit.
@SassySam which one did you use now?
And - at least the last time I checked - both lack the most important feature for me: Full-Text Search in all content of a "project" (incl the attachments and handwritten stuff). For some crazy reason, only Evernote seems to be able to do this...
Wait for it! I am sure, this will change in ClickUp this year with all the new things they are pushing out!
@@paperlessmovement that would be good news
So..are you no longer using Coda to manage your video projects?
thank you for your explanation. now i'm eager to use MIRO as whiteboard....😀
Ha! Happy to help, even if it is the tool I just briefly touched in this video :D
@@paperlessmovement haha, yes.. as longtime subscriber of your channel, i already bought most of apps you've recommend and this "miro" thing is rather new to me, although i already tried some whiteboard apps before, but it offered unlimited member collaboration in free account and it's rare now.
@@bangjamz awesome!
Damn it... the perfect guy doing the perfect video topic... but...
27mins long.. I'm sorry boss, but I just can't give you the view this time :(
Thanks for your honesty, Jon! You’ll be happy to read that we have updated our core values. Part of this is to publish only to the point / no fluff videos that are 5-9 min. Hope to see a positive feedback on our upcoming videos starting this Sunday! 🚀✨
@@paperlessmovement In the end I still gave you those precious minutes haha.. (just had to speed it up to 1.4x!)
I appreciate you taking the time to reply though, it shows that you really care about your audience's feedback! Best of luck with the channel!
@@InJJWeTrust0121 thanks! Appreciate your motivational words! LET'S GOOOOO! 🚀✨
ClickUp is just like an Excel spreadsheet that allows you to attach files.
If you boil it down to that, then Notion and so many other Project Managers are the same. While they are not.
notion so slow clunky and ugly. Constantly clicking things I don't mean the click. More frustrating app ive ever used since Evernote.
Gee, Notion looks superior to this clickup monstrosity.
BE CAREFUL YOU DONT GO BROKE USING TOO MANY TOOLS...LOL