Josh Hart in Misery After Ab Injury and I Think It's Over for the Knicks
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Josh Hart struggled with an ab injury in Game 6 as the Pacers extended the series to game 7.
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The knicks singlehandedly keeping food on Doc's table.
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Lolol
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The doc literally said all the injuries for the Knicks are not related to the heavy minutes, and yet still people in the comment sections gunning for Thibs. Give me a break😂
Content is not meant to be taken as medical advice. He doesn’t actually know whether these injuries are related to heavy minutes or not because he hasn’t evaluated them himself. End of story.
People are real slow and love to throw blame Oscar. Us Knicks fans who have been watching all year know that this is not a blame on thibbs. Almost every single one of the injuries that have happened has been because of ONE incident. People just like to push blame
@@lyinbobbycottonseedit doesn’t take a genius to see most injures that have occurred happened because of ONE situation. Ankle roll, falling on shoulder, over stretching leg, none of that is stress related
dudes playing 60 minutes a night, use your head lol
“So Hart might be a case where we truly saw some overuse from all those extended minutes”
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but this is Sutterer quick...
...and he wears pants, thanks to the office chair for the "pants reveal" 😅
I am a Pacer fan and win or lose game 7 the Knicks deserve alot of credit. The Pacers can use some of their playing toughness...
Absolutely, they’ve played with heart all playoffs. I’m glad we forced a game 7 tonight, but much respect to the Knicks. I hope y’all catch some luck with these injuries, shit’s not fair
Ur the first pacers fan I’ve seen to give us credit. Respect bro!
A true Pacer fan hates the Knicks.
@brandontodd6737 A true fan of the game recognizes and appreciates good play no matter where it comes from. What I said in no way means I want the Knicks to win Sparky...
Look I’m a pacers fan and I truly hope we win. However, if we don’t, I want the knicks to do well and get healthy soon. Feel bad for y’all.
Even if the Knicks were to win they're about to be disqualified for not having enough players to play smh
Im devastated . Seasons over but praying to the basketball gods to do us well
They do have other players they can play, theyre just now top tier talent
not a bad year either way, they obviously have a bonafide superstar just hitting his prime to build around
im a pacers fan and i feel so bad for the knicks rn
@@austinplayz960 hopefully Game 7 will be a good match. Whether the Knicks or Pacers make it, SOMEONE has to take the Celtics down in the ECF. They've honestly had an easy road due to other teams losing more than one key player while the Celtics have only been without KP. If I'm not mistaken the Pacers are down one man. Mathurin I believe is out?
I suffered an ab strain earlier this year and couldn’t jump without extreme pain, even with tape, it really impacts even daily life.
I popped an ab muscle it hurt from my groin to almost my chest for months
yep it is the worse pain, can't laugh, cough or move well for a while.
tape is absolutely useless
@@koby2995 I was very fortunate, 3 weeks of rest and it had healed up but damn, felt like months not weeks
@@koby2995 I had to roll out of bed for 12 weeks
2:25 My first time finally seeing the brains behind this operation🤣
Aww
I had the exact same injury last year. I got a hard contact in my abs and then in the next play, catching a rebound like him I felt a sharp abdominal pain. It was so painful I couldn't walk properly for a week
duuuude this team was so good when everyones healthy
I mean that’s a little unfair since part of the reason they are so good is they play their starters vs other teams backups
Which as you see is short sighted
@@mitchelldavis9372nah man that’s strategy which is a part of sports , you can play your team exactly as you wish and it’s up to the other team to counter that , if lebron was smart he’d play when the opps bench team was out and let the best defensive players try and handle the onslaught of his positional foe lol
the knick curse
@@mitchelldavis9372bro half their backups are their starters lmao
@@brandonmedal7436 But then they get to play their starters against your bench. Unless you do what the Knicks do and play your starters all game. You can see the result of that strategy right now.
@BrianSuttererMD: As an Internal Medicine Physician myself along with being a huge Knicks fan and big NBA fan, according to my diagnostic perception, Josh Hart is suffering from Left-Sided Rectus Abdominis Muscle Strain which can take a few weeks to heal.
I bet he will play through it with pain in game 7. This Knicks team has a lot of grit and I expect Donte and Brunson will shot better in home
Regardless they win or not. I applaud them for there grit and effort. If aint for the injury they would totally give boston a fight. It is what it is.
Both boston and pacers were lucky they face injury ridden team .
I hope this is just a cramp. In a recent interview, I heard Hart used to do some bicycle routine at the end of a basketball game...
@@johndavis4948end up like IT with the Celtics. Might not be the wisest choice.
@@carlosdavidrolon7653 unlikely. if it were a cramp, he would be pushing fluids, eating a banana, etc.
I feel like class is in session when he uploads a video on any type of injury or muscle pain.
👌🏽 great video 😎
Im glad you mentioned about the tape because, I'm not a doctor, but my common sense was telling me the tape was doing jack s***.
thanks for the helpful explanation. I appreciate you.
NBA worst nightmare…Pacers in the ECF.
Ehhh nobody cares. Once everyone is healthy next year pacers will be first round exit team, just like the hawks
@@doms5755how do you know?
Exactly. Because they’ll get blown out and it would be unwatchable.
Dont get ahead of urself
@@phxmillerbecause they’ve struggled with an injury hit bucks and are also currently struggling with an injury hit Knicks lmao
crazy how he got up for shots while being injured this way
yeah im suprised they didnt take him out and try to rest it for game 7. I bet it got way worse after staying in the whole game just to lose by 20.
@@BrandishingWeapons
Thibs, and they want to win. Those are why
Sheesh. The Knicks can’t catch a break this season.
Cant catch a break ever if they keep Tibbs as their coach. Dude should never be allowed to run a team every again
What do you mean catch a break ppl have been saying for well over a decade that Thibs destroys his own players.
This shit was preventable!
He plays his player 45 mins a game u can’t think that’s healthy
@@ItzIzzyMizzy I remember that he destroyed MVP Derrick Rose. He kept him in a game they were winning by 20 ish in the late 4th quarter.
@@TheNekgnedI think thibs is directly to blame for the downfall of Rose and the 2010s bulls team as a whole.. deng and Noah were way overworked for them
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Brother I feel you
but your toast will get soggy.
This is fantastic that we have access to this kind of content for free.
I like that Brian’s putting his sports takes out there now lol 👏🏻
I’ve been waiting on your upload!!!
Doc in your videos can you also tell us how we can prevent the injury?
Nice to see unbias video on this. No agenda but to clearly diagnose what going on with Hart and the rest of the Knicks
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Love this team. Hope for a win tomorrow, but I believe the injuries have done us in. Great season guys though. Get healthy and start planning moves for next year.
Man I feel bad for the Knicks. As a Mavs fan Im rooting for Brunson. It would be awesome to see Mavs-Knicks in the final 🤞
dude! I was watching this guy struggling holding his abdomen the whole game and I'm quietly thinking, this could be a very dangerous injury! Get him to the hospital!!!
Unlikely to be dangerous since there was no mechanism of injury. If it was holding both his front side, AND more so, his back side of the abs, then I may be concerned for a spleen rupture but a Castell's percussion test would confirm it's not a spleen issue. No MOI other than excess stretch likely would only bring about a muscle strain.
hospital? for an ab strain? LOL. What do you think the hospital can do for that?
!!RUPTURE!!
The Knicks are literally the "Final Destination" of the NBA currently. Julius Randle was already taken out, then Mitch Robinson was taken out by Embiid, Bogy was taken out by Oubre, OG is out, and now Josh Hart. Next it might be Jalen Brunson again since he was injured.
The whole team will be taken out, by elimination.
Knicks had so much potential man it’s depressing.. shit they r a game away from the ECF and most of the team is either out or playing crippled… literally
Crazy when i listen to you list of all the injured knicks at the end lol it really puts it in perspective
THANK YOU for rebutting all the people chalking the injuries up to thibs overplaying guys. the extreme minutes are a product of the injuries, not the other way around.
That's just a victim's reaction. He can still decide to play them only 40 minutes. He could've have Burks in for 5 minutes to have Josh Hart play 43 instead of 48. Playing a player in a playoff series every other day for 48 minutes in 3 straight games is just crazy and it's almost impossiple that is has nothing to do with this 'weird' injury he has now --> a direct result of too many minutes, too much mental pressure, to little time for the body to recover back to 100%
@@woutakasinistraVictim? You have internet brain. They aren’t blowing teams out. Players have to play to advance. Thib’s isn’t the issue, depth is
This would be a fine excuse if Thibs didn’t already do this to Chicago and Minnesota
He literally says it’s likely due to overuse in the video. So many comments here exposing themselves as a either not watching the video, or lying about it to push a narrative
thx Doc!
someone send this to the knicks front office
Playoffs are tough and injuries happen and the NBA is unique where as other sports you get a rest some nights NBA players play the full game props to both Knicks and Pacers hell of a series!!
I hate this assessment. But you are the best. Thanks for putting this together.
hey doc is there anything that Josh hart can use to numb that area? I read a similar article were the cavs was willing to inject Jarrett allen with something to numb the pain in his rib cage area but Jarrett Allen refused to take it there has to be a reason why he refused it
I was checking your channel during commercial after Anthony Edwards fell on his back. Glad you didn’t have to make a video on him.
6 people are out , you can't expect tibs to give serious minutes to people he never playedin the regular season. Honestly I only blame him for Hart and JB getting worse because he tried to stay in the game
Bruh the moment that this happened I imagined the Doc breaking it down on youtube 🤣 I guessed that it was an ab strain and not something internal, caused by overuse of the ab muscles in the overhead extension type motion that he repeatedly does while rebounding.
Coach Thibs should learn a lesson on what the 1999 Knicks did on an impossible win on the playoffs but 5 players are already been injured! 😱😱😱😱
tom thibedou hasnt learned a god damn thing from derrick rose and luol deng a decade ago. As a bulls fan. Now josh hart limping with injury and this is the guy he has play 45 minutes per game. It was bound to happen. As much as i would prefer thibs over billy donovan and past coaches since his firing, there was a reason i was tiny bit okay with letting him go because he overworks his players, starters for that matter
@@melvynwindmon1927Josh hart openly says he wants to play all the minutes. This injury had 0 to do with overuse. Did you watch the video you commented on?
@@melvynwindmon1927he literally said in this video A SPORTS MEDICINE DOCTOR, there’s not a case to place blame. It’s a dumb narrative you’re pushing
@@ZachWilsonsMomsFriend Some players (with fighting spirit) always want to play full minutes bruh, its coach's and team PTs job to manage the minutes. Plus there are very few injuries where you can direct link to overuse and fatigue (for example, if you look at one play alone without context, you can't blame overuse if someone tears ACL on that play, but overuse and fatigue definitely play a role). On the other hand however if given less minutes the probability of those injuries decreases.
@@user-jf9fd8pc6nThey haven’t been blowing teams out. They wouldn’t be here in round 2, game 7 if it wasn’t for their playing time. Knicks need to play to win.
For Game 7 (FYI)
*league should let you sign emergency free agents if you lose too many players to injury* 👍
They have that for regular season. Not for playoffs.
Honestly my first thought was that this sounds stupid, But the more i thought of it i think i agree lol
In the Playoffs would be nice what happens if the whole team can't play lol
@@TheTrapbender If your entire team is injured, the league should have a close look at wtf you're doing instead of giving you more players to use up.
@@I34VVI3U5 lol I don't believe in that really your right mostly but I'm just tight about all the injuries were PLAGUED. I think we will lose at home tbh
Left lateral abdominal strain 4th caliber muscle pull
can someone explain the weird tape jobs? like luka had one on his leg that looked more the a fashion choice than a medical thing. how does that tape on josh hart help his injury?
If this were the regular season. How long would this injury keep a player out?
Damn that must be freaking painfull
@7:20 mins issue as doctor says.
Fact:
Thibs being old skool
"Josh Hart- tough it out push through the pain play 45mins til rupture the injury like drose"
that tape on his stomach..lmao
Just look at your last 20 -50 videos MOST OF THEM are about the Knicks getting hurt i am in so much mental pain from these injuries 😂
I think you mant game 7 in the intro. I thought it was ribs, either bruised or broken. Both very painful.
Brian, I think it's over for the Knicks as well. It's about time, and it sucks for my Knicks. But miracles do happen sometimes, and we will see if there will be a phenomenal game in Game 7 at MSG.
Being tired and or dehydrated is the number one leading cause of injury. This is not rocket science. Your movements are just not as crisp with intent as when you are rested, movement is slightly slower, thus unintended results. These guys need to work in the pickle juice and somehow get as much rest as possible.
I don’t have any medical credentials but I’ve had an abdominal strain literally in the same exact spot and the rubbing and messaging trying to alleviate it is all too familiar. I dealt with it for like 2 months before it finally healed and it’s a bitch to move around much less play NBA playoff basketball. I think he’s going to play anyways but I think he’ll be very hampered.
Doc ever here of a cortisone shot??? Can it help him to play????
In the words of Camron from it is what it is; the best ability is availability.
i gave this video a thumbs up even tho it is bad news for my knicks. but it brings an ease of mind to what seems like voodoo magic being unleashed on the poor knicks. but, as brunson says, "we keep on fighting!"
I went up for a ball in the same stretched out position as well as getting contacted by a defender. I suffered a hiatal hernia. For a couple weeks I had to sleep with additional pillows to elevate my head, as being in a stretched out position was painful. Couldn't lift weights for over 6 months, but pain was manageable and could play basketball.
I don't think this is the injury Hart suffered as his injury appears to be off to the side and not near the lower end of the sternum where a hiatal hernia occurs. Just wanted to let other people know a possible injury that can occur from that exposed position.
Should I use olive oil instead of canola oil when baking a cake? I want to bake a moist cake so I think using olive oil will preserve more moisture and not dry out
Why does this dr. Remind me of james Franco's brother
a few plays before that the one you show. he got hit in that area by #2 Ind. player
TV commentators even said that Hart’s injury was from a hit of an Indiana player (Siakam) in that play.
But it wasn’t 🤔
Narrator- Brian was right. It was indeed over for the Knicks.
Tom "Coach I'm tasting blood!" Thibodeau.
Ab strain is not good. He will not be effective and will probably bow out early. Knicks are dropping like flies, geez
The loose ball he won on the floor with Siakim was weird and came after the initial signs of injury though. He basically did a weighted crunch to pull the ball loose and it didn’t seem to hurt. It’s Buddy time for Divo or we lose this series. He’s going to need to go off in game 7.
i have a eureka desk L can attest to quality
I've experienced this. I'd rather feel this than a hamstring tear. He's young so he'll be 55/60% in game 7
So ur saying he should play at 60% healthy? So basically make things worse for himself playing injured and re aggravate it?
@@porfiriato84 its game 7 and his job is to play basketball. i garantee you him at 70% is better then most players at 100%.
The thing with Julius Randle was the same thing with Derrick Rose. They should not have been in the game in the first place when you’re up 15 with 4 minutes left or 12 with 1:30 minutes left.
Bro how do you even injure your abs. Wtf. Athletes go through so much injuries its crazy
Damn the East is RIDDLED with injuries
Could it be an internal injury, for example a ruptured spleen?
Without any contact?
@@WindigoMac Hart was injured on a previous play, when he was elbowed by Nembhard. At least according to Doris, I haven't seen it.
I want to give thibs some flowers for his playstyle. Rigth if the playoff start he had many injured players. And he decided that he would rather let them play 5-6 more minutes than other teams to get the series done in a game or two less. And given the bench he gas i can understand that. I know it was already later in that run, but that blowout against the pacers… he literally had 2 rotation players on the floor because there he had NO other players available. And i think the only two players he literally overplayed are hart und brunson. Hartenstein and Robinson played
Thibodeau running his players to the ground again
Crazy because van gundy literally countered this a few days ago
Bro all those players other than Brunson that are supposed to be on the bench what do you want Thibs to do play guys who belong in the g league
@@chibuezeezike5372these comments are made by people that have the same IQ as Charles Barkley, and it isn’t much. The fact he made this comment after a whole video about an injury that has nothing to do with overuse just proves my point.
Why is he still coaching? His version of the nba is no longer valid
Usually, I'd agree. Not this time. Thibs literally has lost almost his entire starting lineup. He's trotting bench guys most of the time.
Bro added in his prognosis for new york's season too
Celtics about to perform their last voodoo on Jokic or Ant next, watch
J Hart is the Wolverine of this team and Friday his Adamantium got ripped out
Josh just ate some bad sushi. He fine.
I'm guessing an injury like this repairs itself. So how long will it take before he's potentially 100% again?
Game 7*
You... Are.... Incredible lol
Strained obligques and serratus
Thibs really thought there’d be no consequences for not knowing how to manage your squad correctly 🤣
It happened the play before hit got punch
The. Knicks are champions regardless they have done just a Miracle playing depleted and they did the unfathomable this season since January, big up Thibs Big Up León, Big up team
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So what you're saying is, we're gonna need Jalen Brunson to be an absolute BEAST if we wanna win this
Hello
Such bull we have been the butt of the joke for decades and we finally get a championship contending team for the first time since the 90s and it gets demolished by injuries so dumb 🤦🏾♂️
Same as Bickerstaff
I give anyone who plays through injuries props. It’s all mental.
Man i did not think it was that serious until i just watched this… and this is why i did not wanna watch the video, especially before game 7 but i did anyway…. Damn
hey brian do you have your own practice
No, work with a community hospital ortho group
@@BrianSuttererMDThank you for your service to a community facility!
Thib had burks and McBride this whole playoffs yet he completely sat out Burks and chose to overwork his starters early on.
Knicks season is over either way in my opinion. Even if they pull off a win in game 7, they do not have enough to beat the celtics. The amount of injuries they suffered this season should alert thibs to stop playing his players so much. Rose should have over a decade ago.
Pacers are lucky to still be in this thing . if knicks were 100% this is a sweep! Knicks win tomorrow.
At this point, should just accept it and prepare for next season. Accumulated injuries, no matter how small can lead to freak accidents in sports and maybe worse problems. And for anyone who blame Thibs, his reg season minutes are fine, compared to league's average. Playoffs has been an issue cause they're down many players.
HOW ABOUT HART UNDER IN REB AND PR UNDERS
3:20 damn, bro built like a beetle
The NBA playoffs is a total $*** $how with all the injuries. I've noticed various coaches keeping hobbled players IN the games this season like never before! If that's modern coaching mentality then no wonder the NBA has become unwatcheable after all the season ending injuries. How come injured players rarely get "minute restrictions"? It's like they're always either benched or game on 40 minutes 🏀
I understand your comments regarding Thib's coaching and his minutes....What comes to my mind is that it's like steroids in baseball. Clearly steroids contributes massively to the ability of players to hit home runs. There is no doubt of this. However it's very difficult to point to any particular home run as being influenced by steroids. Arguably the same could be said of Thib's minutes management and the high rate of injury of his starters.
Then how do you explain so many other players around the league getting hurt not only playing fewer minutes but some practicing "load management?" Sometimes teams just suffer bad luck. Randle dislocates his shoulder on a fall. Robinson fractures his foot EARLY in the season playing less than 30 minutes per game. Bogdanović got a fluke foot injury playing less than 20 minutes per game at the time. OG's hamstring injury is similar to the injury Haliburton got EARLY in the season when he was playing less than 35 minutes per game. It's just such a lazy take. Thibs is playing people heavy minutes because his roster is so depleted. The roster isn't depleted because Thibs is playing people heavy minutes.
@@Mistachill That's exactly my point, that you cannot explain a specific player getting injured or a specific injury based on time played, just like you cannot attribute a specific home run to steroids. However it is widely recognized that steroids contribute to more home runs. The Knicks have consistently played their starters very heavy minutes and it is possible (likely) that this has contributed to the unusually high rate of injuries among their starters.
@@devininhv Except that an actual sports doctor who does this for a living doesn't agree with your premise. Correlation does not imply causation. And you seemed to ignore the references to players injured who weren't playing heavy minutes or suffered non fatigue related injuries.
As a raptors fan, credits to the knicks dealing with many injuries and they didn’t give up fighting til the end. Game 7 will be interesting to watch
People should stop blaming Thibs… Randle OG Robinson and Bogey’s injuries had nothing to do with being overworked. Most NBA players hardly play more than 8 guys in the playoffs and they would be insane to throw in 10-13th guys off the bench in these playoff games.
Josh has battled and it has been insane for him to basically not sit at all this playoffs, but most key players play 40 minutes in the playoffs anyway. Even Lebron’s old ass played 42. As a Knicks fan, only criticism Thibs deserves is being terrible on the offensive end. But then again, what can he do? he’s missing 2 starters and 2 rotation players and has to rely on 6 ft unathletic point guard to do everything for the team. It’s amazing this team has battled this far and I am very proud of our guys.
If Josh can’t play Sunday, I’d be inclined to agree with u that it’s over for the Knicks.. but I’ve seen this team climb over so many hurdles all season it’s hard for me to ever fully count them out .. but boy this is a killer for the Knicks, just when u think it can’t get worse with their injury luck, somehow it does
Honestly, knowing Josh hart, I’m gonna say he will definitely play in game 7, but the question is what kinda version of himself will he be able to be?