Drum Teacher Reaction: What I REALLY Think About LARS ULRICH | Dunning-Kruger effect & drumming
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#dunningkrugereffect #drumteacher #larsulrich
One thing that gets overlooked about him is he arranges the majority of songs.
Founding member!!!
Irreplaceable.
Exactly. Metallica wouldn’t have ever got off the ground without Lars pushing beyond his ability at the time and pushing James out of his comfort level when they were young. Lars’ knowledge of the music of the time and just wanting it as much as he did contributed to Metallica’s success more than his technical ability ever could have. As a guitarist, I would take Lars as a drummer and band mate all day long.
@@Mboogie69 Well-said.
Great but has nothing to do with drumming. Those are called arrangement skills.
@@user-ov5nd1fb7s and the title of the video says "about Lars Ulrich" not "about Lars Ulrich drumming"
James once said that as individuals, none of them are the best musicians, but when they’re together, something magical happens.
True, third rate musicians but outstanding band
While James may very well believe what he said, the truth is that he is actually an amazing musician
@@kinetic3355 I know, I just think that he is a humble man.
@@kinetic3355 Out of the band members they have ever had James and Rob are the only truly great musicians in their specific role (James as a Rhythm Guitarist, Rob on Bass). Even Cliff was a little sloppy in the technical side of things though his strength was actually composition, Metallica's songs were missing something when he died.
James is only saying that because he isn't technically good on lead, but on Rhythm guitar his right hand was freakish. The guy from Gojira heard their ear mics recently and was shocked that James doesn't have Lars' audio in his ears, James is the drummer in the Metallica and controls the rhythm with his guitar and everyone follows. James himself has said his goal was to "play drums on the guitar" with the way he played, and if you listen to a lot of their 80s songs with parts isolated his guitar playing is way tighter than the rest of the band.
@@kippsguitar6539 third rate???
Name me a better rythm guitarist than James?
Other than Malcome Young.
His creativity inspired your favorite metal drummer. Enough said.
BOOM!
That's literally true as Mario Duplantier said it was Ulrich that inspired him to drum.
@@aaronschimmel2950 Yes Sir!
This is probably the most accurate statement possible.
This is one of my defenses of Metallica towards ANYONE who criticise them, especially metal musicians.
Metallica blazed the path for everyone heavier than bon jovi who came along after 1991. They put thrash and other heavy music on the map. No one who plays metal today would be where they are without Metallica, Black Sabbath or even the Beatles. How many people have we all met who discovered heavy music because of the black album?
It's okay if some of their music doesn't appeal to you, just show the respect due.
I absolutely hate when metal groups say Metallica sucks, just because it's trendy. Stop caring about what's considered cool and just be metal.
Post-lockdown Lars is actually vastly improved. Whatever you may think of his drumming, in the past year he has played and sounded better than in the previous decade at least. He is keeping far better time and playing lots of fills and parts that he didn't bother with before. Here's hoping he can keep that momentum going through the upcoming tour, because it's really refreshing to see them starting to hit 60 yet sound better than they did when they were 50.
Yeah Lars found his fire back .
Thats really great
Recent performances, they've slowed down when they play live. Back to album tempo and he is killing it. He had a tendency to get excited and rush through songs and the whole band suffered a little. Now they are more controlled, and there you go, they've decided as a band to rein in the garage band tempos and play back to the original tempo, and it just showcases Lars' skills.
@@OwlyrossYeah he’s almost certainly playing to a click at least on a few songs he usually rushes. Sounds heaps better.
The recording process makes him tight, are you familiar with how things are recorded these days ? He almost sounds mechanical here and it ain't him....
@@MickH60 The OP didn’t mention recordings at all. He’s talking about live Lars.
I didn’t read any of the comments yet, but something I really never hear people talk about.. it’s his toughness..resiliency..the ultimate show up and play every single time. To my knowledge..only missed one show. To me, that’s one hell of a thing. Playing that music..night after night, tour after tour. They all are bad asses! They just get it done. Iconic drum parts and the absolute leader of the best metal band ever. Hating on Lars is basic. He’s laughing at you all the way into history. So are Ringo , Dave Grohl and Charlie Watts! All icons of music! Rock music was changed forever by these guys more than almost any other drummers. There are many others.. but these guys all changed music forever.
I encourage anyone to go on Metallica's site and check the live schedules from just about any year they toured. Lars was out there pretty much every second or third day playing Metallica songs for 2+ hours for MONTHS on end... people shouldn't be wondering why he didn't practice, they should be hounding Lars with questions about how he still has functioning joints in his arms and legs.
On the "get 'er done" front, did you know what happened during the Harvester of Sorrow performance at the Monsters of Rock festival in Moscow, 1991? When they came back from the pause Lars slapped part of his kit hard with his thumb and slit it open deeply. Didn't miss a beat though, literally spraying blood everywhere, all the way through to the end of the song when you can tell something's off as he just gathers his sticks, jumps up, and walks off stage. Thankfully the stage lighting was red, it concealed most of the carnage. You can see in videos later he's back with his thumb wrapped like a golf ball...
Missed one show and was replaced with a drummer who can actually play and lo and behold, the band sounded better than ever, without rehearsal 😂
@@johanalden3691 and it sounded like shit
@@johanalden3691 That's a lie. They had to replace him with two drummers because no drummer can replace him.
@@redrick8900 delusional fanboy
Lars while not in my top 10 of drummers to say he sucks is crazy. Also the truth is that Metallica wouldn’t have made it to heights it’s achieved without him. Lars has played a role in all aspects of the band; marketing, musical direction, protecting their legacy and financials by going after internet pirates when it was unpopular to do so. His confidence in himself his band mates and utter belief that they are the greatest band of all time and achieving what they have should be applauded and celebrated.
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Lars sucks.
For a worlds class drummer he really does suck ...
I never thought lars was a bad drummer, nor is he the best drummer on the planet joey jordison beats lars by a marathon and it's not close but lars in my opinion is a good drummer
What do you mean you people? 😂
have you heard st. anger? lol
Totally agree, Andrew. Dunning-Kruger, jealousy, you name it. I remember Phil (Collins) getting a lot of hate back in the 80s and 90s, even later, by people who only knew him from Tarzan. It turns out he has been one of the most successful musicians of the 20th century. Thank you for your videos, always highly appreciated
I've always enjoyed his drumming. There's one thing people forget... play what is good for the song!!! What does the song need? Ringo was great at that in the Beatles and so is Lars in Metallica!
Ok it's boring tho and lars can't even keep good time like Ringo
Both are better than Charlie Watts.
@Wailing Conqueror Not even close....
In the 80's with albums like and justice for all.. Lars was also admired because of his technique.
It was an intricate/complexe and very technical album. People forgot fast
McCartney on Ringo:
“And I remember the moment, just standing there and looking at John and then looking at George, and the look on our faces was all like ‘F***. What is this?’ And that was the moment. That was the beginning, really, of the Beatles.”
Fair points, well-reasoned, logical comments as always. That’s what your videos are so good. Thanks Andrew.
He's a very good drummer. Is he Neil Peart/Danny Carey/Dave Lombardo? No of course he isn't. Is he why Metallica are the biggest band in the world? Yes he absolutely is. Is he responsible for writing some of the most iconic songs of all time? Yes, absolutely, and in a way that most people don't even realise. He is absolutely integral to Metallica's songwriting and their songs would not be what they without him.
Nicely put! I agree for sure.
I completely agree, and that triplet pattern in "One" is one of the most copied double bass patterns in metal, along with Dave Lombardo's double bass pattern in "Angel Of Death". Lars is an iconic drummer who has influenced thousands of drummers to this day, even if he has some issues due to lack of maintaining practicing.
impossible to prove of course, but i will posit that without him meeting hetfield, you wouldn't know about lars at all.
@@recordednowhere maybe not. But I would also say that there is no way Metallica would be the band they are without Lars
you're probably right. i just think lots of people lump all his good qualities in with him being a drummer. not arranger, drummer. live drummer in a rock band. and there his subpar skills - as compared to other drummers - are pretty evident, even down to an objective level (time). people can be good songwriters, excellent and fun bandmates, awesome promo guys, gifted with incredibly marketing instincts and still suck at drumming.
edit and by sub par skills i probably mean laziness. maybe its another issue. i am pretty sure he could play some of his songs flawlessly at one point.
Well said. Personally, I'm not a huge Metallica fan - but I respect their success and I have no doubt they would not have attained that level without Lars. There would not have been a Metallica without him.
You're one of my favorite people on YT. Funny, but with good insight and great takes!
Thank you Lars!
Nice name BTW
Well done. Haters are going to hate. I enjoy how you bring the Dunning-Kruger effects t into the conversation. I am on too many drum forums and this ridiculous question comes up almost every week. It’s insane. Thanks for bringing awareness to this silliness.
I just saw Metallica in a interview and they all look very happy! James has taken this time off by getting involved in the community where he lives. They have all been able to hang out with there families and thats been a huge plus as well!St Anger a album from 20 years ago still talking about it. Taking shots at any musician is not constructive criticism! Its possibly your jealousy because hes not a drummer which drummers emulate but they all certainly grew up on Metallica and learned or didnt learn to play it and thus they are still mad at the drum teacher...lmao! Lets lift people up not tear them down people!Peace!
Yessss this is the video that needed to be made! Thank you! It’s not about the path… it’s about the arrival
They don't want you to be the drummer in Metallica is 100% spot on TRUTH.
Lars' playing really inspired me in the late 90's when I was in middle/high school. Really unique style, simple but catchy fills, iconic drum parts, and the first songs I learned on drums were Metallica songs. Over the years I moved on to more progressive/heavy stuff, and discovered Danny Carey, Mike Portnoy, Raymond Herrera, Joey Jordison, and Thomas Haake, but I cannot board the Lars' hate train. Yeah, he doesn't practice anymore and his playing has slipped, but honestly their shows are packed, albums always do well, and they have rabid fans everywhere. It's easy to get lost in the music-for-musicians echo chamber on UA-cam, but most people don't listen to music like we do.
I am glad stuff like prog exists and that there are these wildly good players popping up everywhere, but in the end, for most people it's not important. That sweet arpeggio sweep pick solo and 13/8 time signature isn't going to be what lifts you up and gets you through a difficult time, it's going to be the melody, the lyrics, the voice, or a sweeping arrangement that takes you away. Lars' also has a big hand in some of that stuff. He is, and always has been, an integral part of what makes Metallica who they are.
I get it from a technical perspective to a degree, but the hate for Lars' is, in my opinion, at least partially based on jealousy and ignorance of the fact that no, it's not enough to just show up and keep a beat and throw in a fancy fill every now and then. Not by a long, long shot. You have to be bringing more to the table to make it big like they have.
Lol, do people forget …And Justice For All, Master of Puppets, some of the most inspiring metal drumming ever! He may not be the most technical, but he has accomplished more than most. 🤘🏾
Just gonna say this: very few musicians (let alone drummers) have the authory of that many iconic songs under his belt.
100% agree
Dave Grohl. I could go on, but you're right for the most part. There is no Metallica without Lars. And there is no other band Lars could play drums in either. lol. It's a double edged sword with that one. But really, his sloppy playing is part of the Metallica sound now. So really it wouldn't do any good making an effort to practice and get better at this point I think. Besides, Metallica seems to be doing just fine with Lars behind the drum set, regardless. take care
Absolutely agree man . Its abiut what he and they have done . And his resume is massive and success
I think his stuff from the early days is fantastic. The drumming on Justice is in my top 5.
He couldn't play the songs all the way through during recording. A lot of it is dubbed on ....and Justice....
No doubt. That album is like a complex but beautifully balanced equation.
The album with no bass and sounds like he used empty biscuit tins as percussion instruments.
The Ringo Starr of Metal actually influenced most of his critics. Whether they know it or not if they play drums, Lars and the Bay Area thrash scene changed how drums are played (even country drummers are double peddling ! ).
p.s. Ringo was a great drummer.
Agree and AGREE
Never compare Ringo Starr to Lars, lmaoooo. Ringo is a WAYYY better drummer
People stop hating Lars plays what is needed for the song He also co- writes all those songs you love Lars does the job and we'll. As for Ringo Starr. I am a drummer and teacher and as he was very creative making each song great Stop 🛑 hating Have a great day 😃😃😃
Commenting isn't hating brother and a pro musician is up there for critical analysis, that's life and if he gets paid people are allowed to comment
@@kippsguitar6539 Duh
LOVE!!! your T-shirt! 😍
100% Agreed. Respect everyone and where they're at in their drumming journey. I've never understood why drumming/music was a competition. I'm not that big a fan of Lars, either, but he can kick my butt at every level. Knowing what it took for me to get to even the pre-beginning stage I'm at, I can only imagine what he's done to get to where he is. Maybe he's not the most technical/accurate guy but he obviously gets the job done to the satisfaction of the band and I'm sure he keeps trying to improve. You don't have to like him, but, as a drummer, he deserves some respect.
Here in NZ we call it tall poppy syndrome.
-success equals jealousy and resentment. If an individual reaches some level of success, the haters will always try to drag them down.
In my experience growing up Phil Rudd from AC/DC was the 'replaceable' one just because he 'did his job' within the confines of that bands style. Later on in the early 90's I heard a solo album by Phil - dude has some chops. Lars was already doing things which were sort of identical - his heavy handed style for the job he was doing. I think more of the Lars criticism was based upon his outspoken desire for control when technology began allowing for RAPID free distribution of their copyrighted music.
Precisely.
Phil Rudd is a living metronome, a far better drummer than Lars...
I am not a drummer and not even a musician - but I like music. (When I found a concert boring, I always watched the drummer "working" :) )
I like your videos because they are so unexcited exciting and sypmathically analyzed. Keep it up :)
A nuanced, down to eath video with some enlightened, albeigh, somewhat unpopular, thoughts. Love it. Cheers!
If you play drums well enough for it to be your main source of income you are a good drummer... Hands down...
If you play well enough in a band to sell 125 million records world wide and have a net worth of 350M dollars today... You are a pretty god damn good drummer... No question about it...
I think that fact by itself should end the discussion..
Also to think about how memorable his drum parts are.. No one could have done it better in Metallica than Lars..
Really? So everybody is good at their job, then, by that logic. Everyone. Nobody has ever sucked at anything that's their main source of income. That's your argument? Because someone will pay you to do it, you are therefore fantastic?
@@barefootalien :-D ... Ok then...
I love Lars. He is a very important and influential drumer for me. He has been amazing as a song writer as well.
Can i play faster and more complex things than him? Sure. Am i better than him because of this ? No. There is much more than just that.
........I also love Andrew Rooney.
I love your videos Andrew
Thanks Andrew. Great video.
Thanks for watching!
I agree 100% with you. Lars also has great MUSICALITY, pretty much like Ringo Starr, which makes him perfect for the band´s music.
NAILED IT
Ringo and Bonham as well.
@@silverjaw138 Bonham could have done anything he wanted. As much as I love Ringo and Lars I don't think they would have done well in A jazz band or each other's jobs. I'm sure Bonham could play all Metallica and almost all Beatles.
The fact that hes still playing and now compared with some modern drummers that have an insane ability takes away from how good he was for his era. If mike tyson was still boxing against young guys, he would most likely be getting showed up a bit too
Does the musician in question play for the music? Would the song sound radically different with a different musicians style? If it works in the context of the bands signature sound then they are a good musician for that role.
Good morning from New England..The first 4 Metallica albums Lars was a trail blazer and influenced my playing to a certain extent and although I'm not overly excited about the new song I do like the drum sound especially the kicks..With that said when James Hetfield was asked if Lars was the best drummer in the world he replied Lars isn't even the best drummer in METALLICA 😂😂😂😂...I'll leave it at that...✌️🤘
Lars is an excellent, gifted music composer first and foremost. Him and James are the root of what made Metallica into what it has become because of song after amazing songs over the years that millions of fans love. Lars is a great drummer and he writes drum parts that work within the song structure that is Metallica! I think that is a key point that is often not mentioned... He doesn't need overly technical drum parts in order to play what works for the song. That doesn't mean he couldn't get overly technical if he wanted, I have no doubt he could. Lars was the founder for one of the greatest bands in history... You don't become the greatest band by not being able to write amazing songs that sell millions of albums without a thing called talent. You ROCK Lars 🤘
Lars is a great dummer? Oops
@@kippsguitar6539 He is, the fails that he has done on shows for me are because of 3 reasons
1. He improvises A LOT when performing, so that can often go wrong
2. Bc of his crazy lifestyle obviously he does not play like he did in the 80s/90s
3. Idk if u noticed, but in the studio he still plays well, but live he plays a little worse bc i can see that he doesnt practice that much, which is something important, but still he plays well for metallica and he creates really creative fills and when he doesnt he creates drum parts that really work in the metallica songs
@@elsebas7307 he practices more on running his mouth
@@kippsguitar6539 Well…he once was. That’s for sure.
Then why was James thinking about replacing him at one time? Ringo Starr is an amazing drummer. If people do not think that he is, they are mentally ill and incredibly stupid. You are not a very good host. Please go away.
Lars plays for James' guitar. He has said this before. Drum geeks miss this and judge him in a vacuum in areas hes not even working in as he's never shared their priorities. Metallica's songs have this dynamic breathing aspect, like muscles expanding and contracting because of that order.
always been a huge influence on my drumming
i love your point about the st.anger snare sound. i like the sound btw. and i finally picked up drums as a hobby because of Lars.
Hey there, thank you for your respectful approach!
I do hope that Mr Ulrich get‘s to see this. Though I personally often struggle with his musical choices - the man is still there, doing it, right? And you can‘t really reproduce his drumming, it might sound similar, but everybody would instantly notice it‘s not him. At least to me, that‘s saying something…
Keep um the good work, Greetings from Eisenach, Thuringia, Germany
Very well-put.
I have to agree. If people like what you are playing enough to buy albums and tickets it's irrelevant how technically proficient you are. They obviously work in the band they are in and that's good enough.
He did a drum clinic and walked out but that was 20 years ago. Now He’s been playing that long I respect you get better the longer you play
"I play for my mum!" 😂 Love that line.
He was always a composer first and foremost and was never a technical player but he did write some great and memorable drum parts back in the day. Can't really say the same about the band's recent material and performances.
Also, St. Anger is responsible for keeping the band together. They were on the verge of breaking up at the time and it was a needed outlet to release all of their anger and misery at the time, and the best part about it is that Metallica decided to return to their roots with Death Magnetic/Beyond Magnetic, Hardwired, and now 72 Seasons. That's why St. Anger is such an important album, even if most of their fans h8ed it.
I agree! Also I can't help but think that yes that album was far from one of my favorites, but all honesty, it was better than a lot of what other bands were creating at the time. So they'll always be oneof my favorite bands... and Lars will always be in my opinion one of the best, and one of the reasons I started playing drums
Thanks someone finally said it, I thought the album in question was great, sounded like guys jamming in the garage who happen to be famous. 👍
Thanks again for another great video. Great because of the good info and education. And, possibly because I agree with you on pretty much all the points you brought up, so I may be a little biased. lol
I'd like to comment a little on the Dunning--Kruger effect. I watch a lot of debunking videos on various conspiracies and often the D--K effect is used as an insult; as in "he's living on top of Mount Stupid." I, myself, have been guilty of saying similar things. But after reading a bit more on the D--K effect, I realized that while Dunning and Kruger did find it an interesting phenomenon they discovered after asking university students how well they did on a test, and then comparing that to the actual test results; the real implication of their research is that this effect is actually a normal part of the learning process. You alluded to it when describing your thoughts when you were young and as yet unskilled on the drums. I, too, had the same same experience. Though my case was worsened, or should I say prolonged, by not having a teacher to guide me and help me develop my drumming skills as well as my musical thinking. I was in my thirties before I actually took some lessons.
When I learned that the D--K effect was part of learning, I was able to let go of some of the shame I felt and the self-recrimination for having missed the opportunity to develop my drum set playing when I was young and had more free time and a lot more energy. I sense that you are probably a good teacher in that you talk about your musical "evolution" so freely. I would imagine that would be enormously helpful to your students in guiding them past that cocksure stage at the left side of the D--K graph, and then later on when they may fall into the depths of despair as they enter the deep valley of realization of how much they need to learn. I also thank you for your "teaching" even though I am not one of your students.
I also share your attitude on criticizing other drummers. How many times have heard drummers disparage Ringo's playing. I recall a video I saw where Rod Morgenstein addressed this very topic. He talked about the many signature drumbeats Ringo played where people can recognize the song just by hearing the drums, and how not many drummers can lay claim to having achieved that. I also read an article in Modern Drummer where the writer (I'm sorry I don't recall who it was; it was a long, long time ago) talked about how the Beatles didn't use click tracks when recording and yet George Martin was still able to manually splice the tapes together for the final mixes. That speaks to a really good sense of time on Ringo's part. (I realize that there are probably those who will say that some or a quite a bit of the playing on the records was done by other studio drummers. I have no reliable knowledge on that and I can offer nothing constructive on that matter.)
One final anecdote. Years ago I attended a clinic by Rod. At the time he was playing with Winger. He talked about his experience when first jamming the guys in the band. They kept asking him to play simpler drum parts, stripping it down to eighth notes on the hi-hat, 2 and 4 on the snare and 1 and 3 on the kick. He described how difficult he found it to do that. At first he was playing with the bored attitude of this is too easy, too stupid. But it didn't feel right. It wasn't grooving. He learned that he had change his attitude. He had to play the beat with conviction. He had to really feel it. Then it worked. The music sounded great.
Now, I thought this was a great, practical lesson for anyone wishing to play at a professional level and even those, like me, who were just playing for fun on weekend gigs. Rod was revealing a "secret" to sounding solid on the drums and making it fun for the other musicians to play with you. Which to me was far more important than showing off how good you are by whipping out all your chops. Don't get me wrong. There's a time and place for all that. And that can be an essential part of playing in certain musical genres, such as jazz or extreme metal. But for me, the highest compliment I can receive is when a bassist or guitarist tells me he enjoyed playing on the bandstand with me on the drums. Or when I see people bobbing their heads to the groove. That really does it for me. It makes me feel part of something much, much larger than me. And, I will admit, I just don't have amazing chops to dazzle everyone. I came into the game late and I have health issues which prevent me from putting enough hours and effort to reach that skill level.
The funniest thing about that clinic, was that after it was over and the audience was milling out of the auditorium, I hear a couple of guys complaining of how disappointing it was that Rod didn't play anything like he did with the Dixie Dregs. They had completely missed the point of his clinic! (It probably helped me that I didn't have any expectations like they did from the clinic. My mind was perhaps a little more receptive than theirs.)
Well, thanks again Andrew. And sorry for the long comment.
Yeah! I am totally agree🤘🥁🤘
Lars was my biggest inspiration and got me into drumming. Love Lars, love Metallica
no drummer in history has drum parts more memorable to drummers and non drummers. Lars is king.
maybe Phil Collins, Roger Taylor, Stewart Copeland, Larry Mullen Junior
Have you ever known Led Zeppelin´s John Bonham ?? Maybe seeing him playing make you think again about what you´ve wrote...
@@lleryram20 Bonham - utterly overrated. He played simple. Nothing wrong with that. But for every person remembering a certain Bonham track - there will be 100 persons who instantly recognize 3 seconds of, say, "Nothing else matters" - and you know I'm right.
@@MeBallerman well bro, what can I say, it´s your opinion, totally disagree but I respect it....
You heard of Ginger Baker or Keith Moon.Lars is proficient, but not great.
Lots of great points. A drummer who plays for the song will always be kick ass in my book.
And you know he did that well if he sold millions of units...
I agree completely with you man. What I say to hecklers is: « if you’re so smart, how come I don’t see your name in lights?! »
There’s a good reason why… 🤣🤣👌
Lars had a tremendous impact on my formative years.
In 1990, when I was 13 a friend in my 7th grade class let me listen to Battery on his Walkman. It blew my mind. I was absolutely fractured. In May or June of that year I found out my cousin Jenny had the CD. SO I listened to it on the stereo system in their basement and an entire world opened up to me.
I had been drumming for four years at that point.
Two years later I'd start my first band that I'd play with through high school. We sort of patterned ourselves after Metallica, but in the years that ensued I would become acquainted with Chaie Benante, Nick Menza, Dave Lombardo, and Gene Hoglan. I was also really into the studio guys that were hot at the time, like Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd, Dave Weckl, and Steve Smith. I was already way into Porcaro and Phil Gould from they years I started (86). I was also heavily influences by the hair metal guys that I loved..
But whenever I listen to one of our shows from 1996 I can hear the Lars influence over the others. There was just something inexplicable about his appeal to me. He had an attitude, and a lot of power. He also had identification. I could read his sonic fingerprint immediately. I knew than that I need to create my own, but I he made it easier for me to realize that.
I owe him a lot of credit in my early development. I'll always have favor for him because of that.
Well said Bro😎🤜🤛😎
Same for me,with guitar. in 89 I was 9 and stumbled into my brothers ajfa cd, then black came out, I needed to play those songs and back then Kirk was my idol, he was lead guitarist, all I knew.
Now he's in the same situation, laughed at.
But he made disposable heros solo!! That is not him now, but he inspired me and that stuff is important. Now James is my guy, but I still own a kh2 I bought at 13 years of age. That is something I am so glad I did, I learned on a quality axe, all this matters to so many ppl.
Young age needs role models to pick up an instrument.
Loved reading your comment, cheers!
I’m not a drummer (yet?) and I get mad about these kinds of comments annoy me.
Thanks for the generous contribution 🙏
You nailed it.
Amazing!!!! 👏👏👏👏🥁😉
Without Lars they would be no Metallica! Period. He is the initiator, and the co-writer of most of their material. And let's not forget that he is an excellent arranger. In the end, it's the ensemble that counts and not the individual players and Metallica are without a shadow of a doubt a great band. I'll leave you with this quote: “If you have a great band with a mediocre drummer, you have a mediocre band. If you have a mediocre band with a great drummer, you have a great band!” - Duke Ellington
I think drummers come under 2 categories, drummers and musicians - drummers will write amazing parts and all sorts, musicians are there to create a song and understand less can be more - both take skill, understanding and a level of profession but can give you a vastly different outcome with the final product
Good stuff!
Thanks Jeff! 👌
Hiya , thank you for reaction . I’m not a big Metallica fan . Loved their first three albums in the day . I’m not a drummer . Play guitar badly for many years , but I think I have a good ear for music . Lars to me is a musician . I love the little touches he does that enhance the music and I believe he helps to arrange. I don’t believe you can teach what a natural musician has . Agree with end result and not important how you get there . Unorthodox guitarists can be brilliant because they have followed their own path to where they want to go. You find your own technique to get there . That’s originality and I think there’s an authenticity in Lars playing and he seems to love playing . More power to him 💚Xx
Lars is a good drummer. Not an exceptional drummer, but good. Many people started playing drums because of him in the 90s. Everyone wanted to be Lars at that time.
He inspired many drummers in the 80's also
Lars inspired me to start playing drums. First time I listened to the unforgiven and tried to play it made me realize that drumming is not easy and I took the challenge upon myself to learn it.
12 years later after becoming a professional drummer, I still consider Lars to be one of the best drummers in the world and he is my idol.
He inspired countless famous drummers like george kolias.
I appreciate the honesty and just overall kindness that you show. If it be this topic or any other topic. I am not a fan of Lars but his legacy does speak for itself. I think personally to me that Lar’s attitude Contributes to all of this backlash. He acts like he’s Thomas Lang and obviously he’s not. But I just simply wanted to compliment you on the way you handled this video and this topic. Well done
People confuse technical proficiency with quality. Lars and James are songwriters. James is an iconic guitar player and songwriter; Lars writes iconic drum parts and arrangements. He does what he sets out to do. That's all that matters
I am wondering what you would think of Nico Mcbrain.
Better than lars
When people say a drummer or musician “sucks” take it as they just play differently, Lars is incredibly talented, always has been!
Like physical beauty or even singing, it is the imperfections that make things memorable
Not really a Metallica fan but the fact I’m always hearing people hate on Lars makes me want to like him. Great guy
It's kinda sad TBH.
Some very insecure and deluded folk around
John Bonham did pretty good..... I don't think he could play to a click either....
Truth. The man had blood pumping through his veins and emotion in his his heart. Let the music breath!
I think more of the reason Lars got hate was how his personality was represented in Metalica's public image; a lot of people see him as a spanner in the creative works of Metalica. But also if you compare his skill on the drums to the rest of the bands skill on their respective instroments, he does still fall behind, which is understandable considering how skilled the rest of the band is. Especially his communications in the St Anger documentary and his choice of snare... XD... I think a lot of people just gave up on that point.
Hadn't been a fan of lars for 30+ years. But the dude played his ass off in the beginning. His sound and his creativity was a huge driving g force in what helped pull the drummer from the rear. So to speak. He definitely articulated the double kick to me.
Lars is one of my huge drumming influences. Saw Metallica in 1986 and at 17, blew me away!! The band was phenomenal but eyes were glued on Lars!
Admittedly, I'm a hardcore METALLICA Fan, but still a realist. Is Lars an exceptionally good drummer? No, not anymore. But he's the perfect fit for Metallica. Take the performance with other drummers (Joey/Dave) from 2004 Download for example. Does it sound tighter? For the most part, yeah. But it just does not sound like Metallica, yet both Dave and Joey are superior drummers to Lars. Vice versa, Lars couldn't hold a candle in Slipknot/Slayer anymore. I love Lars, and he's bashed too often imo. I think he's very self aware of what he can and can't do.
No hes a lousy bum he just got lucky
I’ve never heard a truly great drummer rag on either Ringo , Lars or Grohl. Just a lot of respect
Usually, on nobody. But part of it is to avoid a hate-fest from fans.
There are probably hundreds (or even thousands) of guitar players that are more technically gifted and skilled than Paul McCartney.
But could they write 32 number one singles and get 18 Grammy awards like he did? He wrote 43 songs which sold one million or more records between just 1962 and 1978. Technical skill is not the be all and end all of musicianship. By all accounts Lars' biggest contribution to Metallica has been in songwriting. He takes the million ideas of James and the rest of the band and constructs coherent, well structured songs out of those ideas.
And let's not forget he's been some kind of a 'manager' figure for Metallica as well. To keep a metal band together and successful for 40 years while going from anonymity to superstardom, losing a band mate along the way, dealing with drugs, alcoholism, depression...etc. is probably unparalleled.
While I don't disagree with anything you said, I don't think anyone who says "I could be the drummer in Metallica" actually believes they could get an audition to be in the band. What they really mean is they think they could record a drum track just as good as Lars, and play live without making any more mistakes than he does. The legacy that Lars has, his creative input, the record sales: I don't think anyone is disputing those.
I agree with your points. One point that I think was missed is that in the early days of Metallica, how much grit and determination that the band, especially Lars and James had to have to market and promote the band. Again in the early days, their music was a very new style and truly outsider music. You can't tell me that it could have been very easy to just throw in the towel and work in a factory or what ever. The level of success that they have earned takes a very strong mindset that just the elite few have.
Lars is a legend simple. He doesn’t have to be the best.
The whole 'St. Anger snare' thing and the reaction to that LP in general is interesting in that a lot of it is a construction via the expectations and overanalysis of the listeners. Having made such a big thing about the snare, it's really hard to listen to that record and not think about it, and thus be irritated, but on first hearing I noticed the difference, but took the music as a whole and found it OK, and one thing I appreciated about it, is how it tapped into their interaction with US hardcore back in the 80s. I listened to that stuff, and found Metallica via it back then, and even knew people in hardcore bands who knew them, whose shows they attended, and also people in punk or hardcore bands they liked. My first drumkit even, belonged to Discharge before the guy I bought it from, whose band was friends with them. So I kind of got that background and vibe, and appreciated the simple aggression and speed of that album, and the removal of frills, and that sound kind of seemed to relate to that too; like he wanted a sound that really cut through, and also sounded like a real snare sound from a practice session, with real resonance, not studio-treated stuff. Most of the reaction to it seems to come via metal fans, and mainly the ego-based 'muso' types (which you can even, strangely enough, say about many who never have actually played music) and not from those who knew what it was to play in some illegal small venue in some large city in the early 80s with a bunch of other impoverished punks. So I kind of get the vibe they were going for, and think it was more successful than many make out. As you say, results are the key factor, and they got that result, it's reminscent of the vibe of those gigs and that scene, and also channels its very simple anger, which obviously was relevant, but it was an aim, a result that the boys who loved them via all their 'big time' albums just couldn't really relate to. They were wrong to succumb and start to much to agree that it was a bad album. Not the best, for sure, but not to be judged by those standards, and not half as bad as many said. This factor, one of framing the analysis of some work wrongly, has happened with plenty of things.
Great video and points made! One of the things I would mention is that he's got a very original sound. There's plenty of other drummers (even ones considered to be the best) that when you strip away the other music and listen to just the drums you absolutely wouldn't know who it is, they just blend in with all the others, and in some cases lacking in creativity. With Lars he has a style and creativity that you would know it's him in most cases just listening to the drums alone. And combining his influence over the arrangements, and even coming up with riff ideas (yes he has come up with riff ideas that he was able to communicate to James or Kirk to play) when you listen to Metallica, it sounds like Metallica hugely because of him. Metallica wouldn't be what it is without him. Something I had mentioned to someone the other day is, there are drummers that people consider to be technically the best, that wouldn't have the feel/familiarity with the style to be able to play some Metallica songs. I mean imagine John Bonham playing Fight Fire with Fire or Dyers Eve. I think his interpretation of it would be interesting and not necessarily bad, but could he play it the way Lars plays it? Most everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and that's totally okay. If we wanted perfection then we would listen robot drummers with no soul or feel (because that's what absolute "perfection" sounds like).
I have two drummer friends. They both can hear all the mistakes Lars makes during live concerts. I can't. But making these mistakes, for me, disqualifies Lars as a great drummer. But as you said, who cares ? He makes his stuff, he's successful.
Not everybody can carry a show like Lars of 3h with Shoulders fucked up, Ligaments lesions, vibrations, Lower baxk and knee issues..
Lars is a great drummer, will be always for the albums and live performances that established the band, and thats enough qccomplishement.
Lately however, he re found his fire back .
I went to a Social D concert with a friend who thought he was a badass on the guitar. Afterward, he's noting all the supposed mistakes Ness made. All I heard was another great show (been to 5 or 6). He works a minimum wage job. Ness doesn't.
@@grimfist79 unless you know everything about everything, that's how you live your life too : relying on others expertise to make your own judgment.
@@exalhoa Yes. That's what Andrew says and I agree with him. I personally don't care about his drumming. All that counts is the joy and happiness he gives to millions of people.
Lars is my favorite drummer, I don’t care if he played a lil sloppy live in the 2000s, his drum fills on the albums are so good.
One of the most iconic drummers ever
I'm a drummer myself and I hate it when drummers and non-drummers express these negative opinions. I have always thought it came out of lack of knowledge/experience, but did not know about the Dunning-Kruger effect. Excellent explanation.
Great upload...we should respect and encourage one another, not tear down and criticize!
I've been to see them plenty of times starting in 1991, & *every* time I have, Lars struggles to keep time. It's just something that you need to accept walking into the venue. I reckon it's the fact that Metallica is such a huge band that frustrates folk so much.... I mean, name another band who sells as many tickets as Metallica, who have a drummer who struggles to *keep time* o_O
It's one of those wild idiosyncracies of life (one that I came to terms with decades ago), that one of the biggest bands has a drummer who struggles to keep time!!
His arrangement skills in forming a song out of a bunch of Hetfield riffs after Cliff passed is to be applauded tho, as are his efforts in marketing & business side of things. I'm not sure if his positives outweigh stripping the bass off of AJFA, shiddy way he went about the Napster thing, various other (mostly personality) gripes I'll not bother listing.... but hey, there would be no Metallica without him.
Long live Metallica, regardless! \m/ :)
Much better nowadays. They discovered using a click live. So the songs are played at tempo and not all over the place
I honestly grow old of people whining about the Napster thing. Fact is they were allowing people to download unreleased songs lol. If your livelihood depended on selling albums you’d probably be pretty mad too. Funny enough I don’t remember people talking smack about Lars until they got butthurt about Napster. PS Napster was sued by 18 Record companies as well.
@@jefferyduncan162 They definitely were. Beavis and Butt-Head was shitting on Metallica in the early 90s. "Sit your ass down Lars. Play the drums like you're supposed to."
@@TheChiconspiracy I’m aware of the episode. Was in response to Metallica playing for whom the bell tolls live and Lars kept getting out of his seat to egg on the crowd. It also wasn’t in the early 90s lol. But what’s your point anyways. One cartoon known for bashing tons of music doesn’t really make for a good dispute to what I said.
@@jefferyduncan162 That was 1994... so the point that it was before Napster still stands. There were plenty of people fighting then about Metallica's talent (especially Lars) compared to rivals like Megadeth and how they were declining from what they showed from the 80s.
He is a founding member of metallica, a band that has more than 4 decades under the belt. Best technical drummer ever? Nope, fun to listen to? Yes. Keep up the good work Lars!👍
Well-said. Incidentally, there are many great "forgotten drummers" out there. Phil Ehart (Kansas), Steve Upton (Wishbone Ash), Floyd Sneed (Three Dog Night), David Garibaldi (Tower of Power), Sean Kinney (Alice in Chains), Danny Seraphine (Chicago), Simon Kirke (Bad Co), Garry Peterson Guess Who) and many more. Other greats include Jeff Porcaro, Billy Cobham and Danny Carey.
Brilliant! I love Lars. He is an innovator.
I just recalled the Drumeo 'Dennis Chambers hears Tool for the first time' video. Chambers stated that the song was not the style that he currently played.
I think it very rare to find someone who can excel and have complete mastery of all styles; but you can find your niche and master that. That's mostly my opinion of Lars... he does his thing pretty darn well. and that is typically my approach to musicianship as well.
Lars was influential in the tape trading scene in the 80s, getting British heavy metal into the American scene, which helped define the thrash metal movement, which Metallica spearheaded. Take also into consideration the lengthy tours Metallica has been playing since the beginning and the stamina it takes to be playing high-energy music like this for two hours a night in front of thousands for decades. That says a lot about Lars's quality as well. He co-writes almost all of Metallica's songs with James, so that adds a whole other layer to his vital role in Metallica and their success, on top of being the one who named the band and has done a lot of their marketing. So, in the end, there is a lot more to being Lars than just playing the drums, and the fact that he is such a character on stage with so much energy and passion does it all for me. Please react to the song Battery from Live Shit: Binge & Purge 1989; I'll provide the link. If you can keep up with the intensity of the tempo, they are playing at in this recording and then good luck! ua-cam.com/video/FciTGyLKPzg/v-deo.html
People just say it because it's faddish and they can't think for themselves. These are the same kinds of people who say Kobe Bryant couldn't play basketball...Elon Musk is stupid...stuff like that. Things so absurd that they can't even be argued.
Great point.
I always equate it to people watching and critiquing world championship boxing... while in a pub... drinking beer and eating potato chips :)
Just don't know what it's like to be anywhere near that arena.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Hahaha...right. That Conner McGregor guy is a pus**!
@@UhYeahWhateverDude 'why doesn't he just hit him!?'
Please explain TWSS! I spent most of this video trying to figure it out!
THANK YOU!! So many Metallica songs would have not had that special "something" had it not been for Lars. Lars is a great, fluid drummer who plays the drums artistically using them to add flavor to songs. His experimentation gets him in trouble sometimes, but at least he's not playing those same mechanical, perfectly symmetrical patterns that everybody else seem to enjoy so much.
Like Ringo in many ways, his techniques and innovations are what makes the songs so special.
The entire reason why critics and instrument teachers have such a good time putting successful artists who make millions of dollars and have sold millions of albums, is the same reason why they are still just critics and instrument teachers.
Not a big Metallica fan but Lars has always gotten the job done. He has my respect. Thanks Andrew.
Lars may be a basic drummer, but he has helped co-write many legendary Metallica songs.
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I appreciate how you've covered this subject. Thanks for that.
Also, they've had others sit in to play drums a few times.
one that truly did the job was Joey Jordison (Rest In Peace).
but like Lars, he was one of a kind.
but finding a replacement, as you've explained, would be nearly impossible to get someone to fit properly. Lars has a huge impact on the songwriting. It wouldn't quite be Metallica without him.
About the St. Anger snare…I know a few drummers who ran out and bought that snare. They would get upset when trying to use it in the recording studio because it was so loud, so they turned around and tried bashing Lars for it being that loud.
They were called out on it because they either: 1) heard it on the album and bought it anyways thinking it would be different or 2) didn’t hear it on the album and only bought it because it was the trending thing in the drum community.
I personally wanted to get one just to have in my collection. I’m pretty sure with the right head combo, wires, and tuning it could sound really good.
They also bought the wrong snare. Lars didn't use his signature snare on St. Anger. He used an old 70's era Ludwig Vistalite that was owned by the studio. That's the awful snare sound on the recording.
I didn't want to watch this video because I have gathered so much knowledge regarding Lars and the whole topic of his drumming, that a person who clearly isn't a huge follower of Metallica's entire discography and watches more than a half of all their live performances cant form a firm and meaningful opinion about it. I did it anyways because I already knew where this video was going. anything that you mentioned after 4:27 has nothing to do with calling Lars a bad drummer. As you said at 5:26 selling albums and Album sales have nothing to do with how good of a _Drummer_ he is. Yet in the whole video you don't even mention anything worth which would make someone not want to call Lars a bad drummer anymore. You went from Album sales to money, to technicality which you don't care much about, to legacy/inspiration, to ''is Lars happy''. What in the World has anything of what you talked about to do with if Lars is good at the drums, like why do you talk about literally everything but his drumming. 7:18 Did you know that you don't have to play everything in one take in the studio? there is something called editing and splicing. Which Lars did a lot, you can hear it in his drum tracks. Him being good because of album sales, That is again a thing that doesn't have to do with Lars's drumming, but the great mixing and production that makes you hear the song smoothly without hearing the drums cutting out at parts, that makes it a great complete song and album which sells a lot. Has again nothing to do with how good Lars is. And back then even if he didn't splice as much as he did, does it change what is true about his current drumming? no. 7:36 He cant even play them himself but you of course do not even know that, if you had infinite tries you'd get them down after a while to record a part in studio. That is again splicing and editing. 8:38 also proves how much you know about Lars's drumming, don't even know what his most legendary drum parts are, or if he can even play them anymore. You could come with the excuse that those were just the first Metallica songs that popped into your head and you didn't think of the good stuff first. But if you actually cared about this topic, Lars's best moments would never leave your mind in the first place. In terms of iconic drum parts of Metallica's most known songs those would be the ones to mention anyway, but we are talking about Lars and Lars iconic drum parts and not general known songs that became iconic. 10:50 fair point, but reality is that Lars isn't a good drummer anymore, respect is there for what he did and accomplished, but currently he is a bad drummer and clearly with this video you acknowledge everything about Lars but his actual drumming, which is what was one of the original points, about people calling him a bad drummer, but you are talking and circling all the way around the subject. When you see people taking a pot shot at Lars you shouldn't even comment or care because you obviously do not care about the reality of the topic enough or even know anything about Lars's playing. 11:19 this is so weird of you to say really, not talking about his drumming, making a video that doesn't prove anything yet the vid can make money but whatever. There are of course jealous Lars haters for no reason. But there are people who see what is real and have obvious proof of what makes Lars bad currently, so you saying this while not knowing about Lars's drumming is pretty stupid. And also there is a difference between Lars haters and disappointed Lars fans but you definitely cant tell the difference because you have nothing to do with that part of Metallica fans. 11:41 yes you do mean it in a confrontational way, because there is nothing for a person to prove that they are better when they just point out what makes Lars a bad drummer. Saying you are a better drummer than Lars, okay fine then a video would be the right way to prove it, but when someone points out Lars's drumming problems they don't have to prove their own drumming, this doesn't make any sense. 13:19 more than saint anger probably not, but John Bonhams snare and Alex Van Halens snares for example are very known and talked about. What does come up just as much as St Anger though is the Black Album snare, which is a great snare, I didn't need 5 seconds to think about that. 13:58 So you say it is ''not a very wise idea'' to tell the truth? This sounds really fake do you realize that, not telling the truth because someone is more known than you is very weird. Just talking about Lars here not about Dave or Ringo, that is your opinion but is also kind of illogical because again, not calling Lars a bad drummer just because he is famous? that is dumb and fake, he is a person as well just because he is famous and successful doesn't mean you can't be real about that person. Look at DJ Khaled for example he is successful and famous, but he is an absolute real life cartoon character and people make fun of him all the time. Only because he is successful and famous doesn't undo his weird goofy actions and doesn't make peoples comments on him untrue. Let's make it clear right here, Lars is a smart guy, he had vision, he was creative, he knew about song arrangements and structure, created incredible drum parts, had a ton to do with the business part of Metallica and to all of that _right now_ he is not good at Drumming. Obviously I'm very passionate about Drums and Metallica. I love Lars as a person as I said he is all of that and used to be a great drummer, had incredible drum tracks on the entirety of Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, AJFA and even the live album S&M. But in specific there is great drums in songs such as, Fight Fire with Fire, Master of Puppets, Blackened, The Frayed ends of Sanity, not even worth mentioning anything off the black album, The Unforgiven has a great drum track but is nothing in comparison to the songs i have mentioned. And then there is his absolute best 3, Dyers Eve, One and Disposable Heroes. On Disposable Heroes there is 2 moments of amazing parts where Lars plays the Ride, its a fantastic groove. He can not play and or replicate the feel, the groove nor the ride on that part Live and in addition to that he plays it on a china which makes it sound even worse and absolutely horrendous. Lars also inspired me to play drums as well, but just because he is famous you can not deny what is reality, as of now and currently and for a while now Lars is a bad drummer. One of Lars's worst years was 2019, TTTSNB live in barcelona that year he had a _ton_ of _beginner_ mistakes. But in lockdown it seems like he did indeed practice or whatever, his drumming is not as bad as it was in its absolute Low, but most problems are still not fixed, it is still bad. There are ton of clips of James playing drums, you can almost compare him with Lars on a playing level even though James barely touches the drums. So this is a waste of a video honestly what does this prove or what is it for. Another nothing burger of a 'defending Lars and his drum playing' video adding nothing but defending something you don't know anything about.
Lars is why I picked up drumming and why I'm in a band now. He's style has always been different from even the other big drummers around the same time. Like ya. He's had ups and downs over the career. Some his fault. Some may not. But he get the job down. And that's all that matters
I really like Metallica and think Lars drumming on the AJFA album is so sonically interesting. I was fully onboard the lars sucks train but when you get older and wiser you start to see hes a legendary drummer. However I can't help feeling some of their songs could have been enhanced by some of the same magic found on AJFA.
Well put sir!!! Lars was the Drummer who wrote the drums on 5 of the most influential Albums of all time!!! Ask the haters to make 5 albums worth of legendary songs on the drums, or better yet, their skin-flutes, and then let's see who's better....we are waiting......
Worthy of respect like all drummers Ryan!
Definitely, he played what the guitar riffs called for, just like Ringo. Lars and Ringo aren't going to blast beat or solo through a song if the song doesn't need it to be great. I've been a drummer for 25 years, and the drummers that inspired me, played what they felt the song needed. No matter the style of music, the drums must cradle the song...