yeah i think swapping him for someone cooler that we might meet soon like the hood or abomination because i definitely think the she hulk show will lead him to the thunderbolts hes one of the main members in the comics and val needing hammer for money doesnt make sense at all.. how would val need someone else for financial help shes essentially a female nick fury..
Marvel has to appreciate Nando's professionalism in agreeing to call the movie Thunderbolts instead of Justin Hammer: The Movie, like he originally wanted.
There is no story, only a series of plot points that do not coagulate into a story. What skill exactly did anyone adapt, or what did anyone learn? What exactly did Zemo do that wasn’t normal and casual for him to do? How is this not a movie where we watch Zemo live his normal life? Ok so for example, in Iron Man he is locked in a cave after he finds out he’s the bad guy. In Thor, he’s banished to earth and stripped of his powers. Zemo in this “story” is literally nothing.
I feel so bad for Nando, he put in all this effort and then literally less than 24 hours later the real Thunderbolts movie contradicts 90% of what he said.
Nando: "Let's avoid redundancies on the abilities of team members." Feige: "The team it's gonna be composed of 3 supersoldiers, 2 black widows, and Ghost."
@@j.mnemonic9309 Yeah, not a lot of diversity in terms of skills and powers. Pretty much shooters, martial artists and low level super strength. I would've at least replaced Alexei and Bucky with new characters.
A Thunderbolt movie after Civil War would been cool. Ross would have to pick up the pieces after the Avengers fall out. The villians would also have to register after being caught.
@@EmperorDxD because the movies change things all the time and Ross has been a member of the Thunderbolts, but MCU Ross isn’t Red Hulk and his position makes more sense to be the Nick Fury of the Thunderbolts
Yeah, your roster is more thought out. Just like SS, we need a few people that are memorable but clearly meant to be expendable. The official roster clearly look like they will not only survive but stick around. Plus, mostly enhanced humans/soldiers instead of metahumans... I dunno, might feel like another agents of shield situation
The official Thunderbolts is shockly lacking skillset diversity - with the exception of Ghost, they're all basically different flavours of Coke. I'd have included Songbird or the Beetle as aerial/ranged support, and even swapping Red Guardian out for someone like Speed Demon or Absorbing Man would have at least spiced up the melee fighters so they didnt have three supersoldiers with basically identical powers. I'd even take a wildcard like Radioactive Man or Whirlwind tbh...
I wish they had actually done the Thunderbolts for the Thunderbolts movie, instead of just doing Marvel’s Suicide Squad, which is not the point of Thunderbolts. Like why call it that if you’re going to do something else?
I love the little flourishes you put in your writing. Calling Yelene "little Miss Romanov" was the most Justin Hammer thing ever. I can't imagine the amount of thought that goes into your pitches.
I can overlook Marvel’s 6 person team rule, but I can’t overlook the distinct lack of Monsters on the team. Every superhero team needs some kind of creature.
@@CypherJj4457 1) This is Marvel, the monsters are built into the DNA 2) Martian Man Hunter, Cyborg, and Beast Boy all count from a drawing perspective
@@CypherJj4457 TBF, monster/creature is covered by a lot, the Justice League does have Martian Manhunter, a literal alien, and some may argue that Cyborg is sort of a monster due to his cybernetic enhancements (sort of a body horror thing going on with him), and the Titans have Raven, a half Demon, and Starfire, another literal alien, and those are just more or less out of the founding members of the teams, so the "every team has a monster thing" works for them as well. I agree with you that it's not necessarily mandatory, but it does seem like they do tend to do that a lot.
Nando's Justin Hammer is always a treat and absolutely captures Sam Rockwell, love it, I'm gonna need Hammer Cameos - Hammeos? In every pitch from here on out.
I think it’s a mistake not having Atlas on the team, especially if he has the personality and backstory you’ve given him for this pitch. Imagine Zemo, a man who strongly discriminates against superhumans getting along with a superhuman who believes himself to be a danger to people around him. The potential for character growth there is undeniable.
Yeah I liked the pitch for Atlas here. Also nice to have someone on the team who legitimately cares about saving Ross. Luke Cage revenge plot is a bit thin imo -- Ross is more responsible for that than Sterns is, and he like never referenced it in his own show. Also can't see him teaming up with all these villains.
I like all the characters but they all basically have the same powers. Do we really need 3 Captain America clones and 2 assassins on one team? Ghost is cool tho
@@captainbotstick2443 yeah only ghost is the person having any legitimate powers and looking at the roster it seems secretly to be a black widow sequel just as captain america civil war seem like an avengers movie instead of a captain america movie .
Marvel revealing the lamest possible Thunderbolts lineup a week after this video is so funny Nando cooks a team with a really nice mix different abilities and personalities, and then Marvel comes out with - Ghost - Black Widow 2.0 - Hydra’s Captain America - Russia’s Captain America - America’s Captain America - Someone who can copy any ability but mostly Captain America
For the record I love Bucky, and I generally liked Red Guardian and John Walker in their projects, but when 4/6 members of your super team are imitations of Captain America, YOU MAY BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG 🥶
@@JohnBGangAlso,Don't forget bald wakandian black widows...who is even better than supersoldiers appearntly(they smoke heart shaped hearb regurely so its bound to be)
I do ADORE this idea. (Mainly because despite "Ant-Man and the Wasp" being just okay, Ghost is legitimately such a complex character, and she's one of my favorite "villains") But, I'm not sure on the viability of some of these characters... Even if some of the other options are even more unlikely... I personally think it would be cute if they had Man-Thing from "Werewolf By Night", but I know the odds of that are like... Slim to none.
so what,honestly I would like him being more than luke cage who is more of a hero type...man thing fills the strong humanoid creature roaster like killer croc and king shark...also my personal character pick is speedball,he also fills underestimated but really power character shtick like pyro and polka dot man...
I really dig this idea, however I really wanna see Abomination in action again! We can even have a homage to the "Reservoir Dogs" scene when all the team walk in slow motion, wearing suits, 70's music on background, and of course, Mr. Tim Roth.
After seeing the L cast for the Thunderbolts at D23… (Seriously, Task Master?) I will say NANDO V Movies is the hero we don’t deserve but the hero we need to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
@@xxashzerxxplayz679 I agree this is an amazing pitch and tHe MCU has never had a flop financially and the MCU has been MID FOR YOU. For me this has been my fave phase of The MCU so far With MS. Marvel, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi (my top 3 MCU in that order to date)
@@TheClackbillula oh I know and I already know it's gonna be my fave MCU movie the trailer broke me in best way and I expect people balling out in the theaters
Depending on how the new Daredevil series plays out it would be interesting to see Luke cage in the the Thunderbolts. I like the comic moment where he talks about how he’s been on ever superhero team there is and even fought Doom.
It's so funny watching this after the team has been announced - he's right for a lot of characters but not all of them. It's especially interesting how much of the pitch revolves around Zemo, as he's not a part of the team. Maybe he'll be a villain, which would be unexpected in some ways but fun, probably.
In the comics Zemo is the only Thunderbolt that doesn't become a hero so maybe they will adapt that in the MCU? (also your cast is better than the official one)
Hmm... I disagree on the lineup in a couple ways. I think Abomination's appearance in She-Hulk is to set him up to be on the team. They keep reminding the audience he exists because they plan to use him. I predict the last episode of SH will have Val recruiting Blonsky in the post credits scene. Also I think having Hammer and the Tinkerer is just redundant. TWO genius weapons designers who have mostly been comedic characters? Just keep Hammer. I do love the idea of Screaming Mimi, and especially who you cast to play her.
The Thunderbolts cast includes Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Red Guardian, and Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent. Olga Kurylenko’s Taskmaster and Hannah John-Kamen’s Ghost will also be on the team. Rounding out the Thunderbolts is Sebastian Stan’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, as played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, will manage the team.
Welp... baron zemo isn’t on thunderbolts lineup apparently. (May still be in the movie someway) And ‘the leader’ is going to be in captain America new world order. So yea..
honestly they can make bullseye work if they play SUPER hard into his improvisation aspect, like have him using cards, knives, toothpicks, his own teeth
Well, after D23, some people could say that this aged like milk... All I'd say is, while I'm content with what we're getting, I hope we get something as close to this as possible...
It is a shame that this video was near instantly outdated due to the D23 reveal of the Thunderbolts line up and the fact that the Leader is going to be In Cap4, this was quite an interesting pitch, I wouldn't have minded this being the actual movie.
I thought a lot of the charm of the "villains in disguise" shtick was that all of them are pretending to be existing superheroes, which might not work in the MCU since most of the mirror match villains end up dying. I think the big thing to keep this from being diet Suicide Squad is to lean into these all being established villains. Even if the team lineup doesn't resemble any of the comic incarnations that much, I'd focus in on the highest-profile villains who survived their movies (however many that is, I've lost track) and use them as my starting point.
My ideal lineup (before watching the pitch), this is based on what we've seen in the MCU so far and closer to the Dark Avengers in concept but taking the Thunderbolts name: U.S. Agent (from Falcon and the Winter Soldier) Yelena Belova (from Black Widow and Hawkeye) Justin Hammer (from Iron Man 2) Abomination (from Hulk, Shang Chi, and She-Hulk) Bullseye (from Daredevil) Vision (from WandaVision) Black Ant (a newly introduced character, Eric O'Grady) OR Atlas (also a newly introduced character, to make it closer to the original Thunderbolts lineup) Moonstone (another newly introduced character, but it depends on The Marvels movie) You really convinced me with adding Baron Zemo, Ghost, Atlas and/or Luke Cage. Edit: after watching She-Hulk, Abomination might seem like a bad choice but I think Valentina can still pull some strings to recruit him. And I forgot to add Scorpion as a stand in for Spider-Man, it can be a nod to his debut in the comics when he was hired by J. Jonah Jameson but this time, it would be Valentina. After looking at the D23 Thunderbolts lineup, lol it's definitely something.
@@julianxamo7835 I didn't want to add Zemo at the time because I wanted each member to be a stand in for a member of the Avengers, and that was going to be U.S. Agent. But like I said, Nando convinced me otherwise.
I love that you really take the time to write out character moments other people would be a lot less thought out about it and it really makes the difference. Keep it up my dude.
It's an interesting concept, I pretty much agree with the lineup and premise. Also, great addition with Luke Cage, wouldn't have initially thought of adding him in due to his more heroic side, but the more I think about it the more it works, he is a Hero for Hire after all, and he and Jessica could have Danielle at this point. If I were to make changes to it I'd move Hammer from someone in the field to more of a behind the scenes sort of person, like rather than him being out with the team, he works with the Tinkerer to build stuff, but also helps fund different things, like he can pay off people to make the mission go easier or whatever. I also like the addition of Creel, though IIRC he died in Agents of Shield Season 5 after being absorbed into Graviton, which happened shortly before the Snap (Season 5 literally has Thanos's invasion of Earth happening in the background for the last couple episodes) so he wouldn't really be available to use for this, if you want the "Metal Man" thing still (and honestly where I thought you were going), an argument could be made for it being Colossus who is working for the Winter Guard at this point in time as the X-Men haven't formed yet (perhaps have it explained that with the Avengers disbanded and the collapse of the Red Room and the Widow program the Russian government wanted to have their own Avengers that they controlled, and so they get Red Guardian back and have like Colossus and Ursa on the team and whoever else, maybe have it be useful for a sort of reunion between Yelena and Red Guardian, who last we knew she hasn't seen in 9 years since the end of Black Widow, perhaps another thing factoring into her potential face turn and joining the Young Avengers), and it would be a way to continue to get more Mutants into the MCU. Aside from that though, I do think Abomination could be added to the team, sure Blonsky seems reformed, but there does seem to still be more going on with him that we don't yet know, at least to me there does.
From the future, and your team is infinitly better. We get 2 Assassins, 3 super Soldiers, and ghost. This is easily the least diverse team from a power/dynamic standpoint and is the least imaginative
He plunged his shield into a terrorist who just murdered his friend. Iron Man killed people with the calmness of Frank Castle in IM3. The US Agent thing works as bad optics for the character but that show tried way too hard in trying to get the audience to empathize with the mass murdering revolutionaries.
Glad I’m not the only one that thinks She Hulk has been crazy fun. Seems all I see about it is negativity. Reminds me of John Byrne’s run, which I dig.
While I do absolutely love this pitch, there's one thing that really irks me: Crusher Creel actually died in Agents of SHIELD. Whether the show and its continuity remains canon is still up in the air, but if it is, I don't think the Absorbing Man (or at least Carl) will show up in The Thunderbolts. Plus wouldn't it be confusing if an established character miraculously returns from the dead with zero explanation? I don't know. I guess that's me just mostly nit-picking...
not unlike nando’s podcast: mostly nitpicking that’s a good point. but sadly it seems like marvel is ignoring AOS. ghost rider took the darkhold back to hell at the end of season 4, yet somehow it’s in the hands of agatha harkness by wandavision (unless it’s meant to be one of many on earth)
@@xavierramirez1911 there's no way to reasonably keep it canon. It just was too ambitious and carries too much baggage. The Netflix shows are a lot easier to simply retcon in
I like the idea, especially the part where Hammer name everyone, that was so funny ahahhha, he could be the funny guy in this movie.... eventough the opening before "Thunderbolt" title look 2016 suicide squad-ish, but its okay the character that being recruited is different and not all of them are prisoners... and I hoped the movie could be beginners friendly since there is a lot of characters you didn't familiar with (unless you are a marvel fans) like short introductions but got the idea of their arc/original. Their ability could be introduced along they way like the Eternals-type... and the idea of creating bulk of hulks kind of along the way with Marvel's theme of bigger and space-oriented adventure-ish..
You know, the one villain I'm missing in this line-up is Moonstone. She's a huge powerhouse and has been on the team pretty much since the start, but I guess she would be way too hard for a government agent to control. Maybe in a sequel.
MCU couldve actually done the original team with zemo leading them. Total missed opportunity They literally could've Introduced: Songbird in TFATWS Atlas in Quantumania Moonstone in Secret Invasion MACH-1 and Fixer in Ironheart or Armor Wars All that aside this pitch is excellent, love having The Leader as a villain
I think The Thunderbolts in the MCU are going to be more discrete and secret than the comics version and The Avengers due to the fact that the team is mostly super-soldiers and people the world doesn't even know exist like Ghost or Taskmaster. With the team being this way it's very unlikely that they'll need a "Hulk" or even flashy big-time super suits like The Avengers have. I really wanted Songbird on the team though :( Still excited for The Thunderbolts anyway!
I don't think so, in a way... he got pardon with spesific condition that no matter what he cannot turn into abomination or he will go to jail straight forward.... and to thinking that this would be a out of the book type of mission, hiding abomination is not going to be easy.... beside you need him in his abomination form since emil blonski's skill set already cover by us agent and zemo...
Got half the cast right and predicted Leader's return. Not bad. Honestly though I think he did a better job by putting Zemo on the team rather than Bucky.
He was also the villain in the first hulk movie... And whilst that has questionable canonicity, so does the second one and this pitch is fully integrating that
I think the movie would be better if it only included characters that have already been introduced, and I think Hercules should find his way onto this team.
The real reason there was a delay for the MCU panel without a Thunderbolts trailer was because Kevin had to panic course correct because Nando accidentally put this on UA-cam
Hot take: Nando literally wrote the whole pitch just to get Justin Hammer back in the game.
Yeah I got that vibe too, he's not exactly subtle about the hammer love :p
This is a lukewarm take at warmest.
That's not a hot take, that's legit just what happened.
yeah i think swapping him for someone cooler that we might meet soon like the hood or abomination because i definitely think the she hulk show will lead him to the thunderbolts hes one of the main members in the comics
and val needing hammer for money doesnt make sense at all.. how would val need someone else for financial help shes essentially a female nick fury..
I'll allow it
Marvel has to appreciate Nando's professionalism in agreeing to call the movie Thunderbolts instead of Justin Hammer: The Movie, like he originally wanted.
Shoulda settled for Justin Hammer (and the thunderbolts)
Imagine if the team is called Hammers instead of Thunderbolts
@@duck-ew5zs I mean, H.A.M.M.E.R. Is what the Shield-like organization that Norman Osborn creates in the comics, so it wouldn't be that crazy lol
Thunderbolt: and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Justin Hammer.
@@julianxamo7835 been waiting for the acronym reveal for 14ish years
The scene where Justin Hammer gives everyone their hero personas was pure gold, really hope some version of it ends up in the final movie.
Bruh that hammer scene goes nuts
Nah i think they're going straight suicide squad
Dreams shattered
There is no story, only a series of plot points that do not coagulate into a story.
What skill exactly did anyone adapt, or what did anyone learn? What exactly did Zemo do that wasn’t normal and casual for him to do? How is this not a movie where we watch Zemo live his normal life?
Ok so for example, in Iron Man he is locked in a cave after he finds out he’s the bad guy. In Thor, he’s banished to earth and stripped of his powers. Zemo in this “story” is literally nothing.
@@davidgeldner2167 zemo:*breathing*
There's ur story
Nando: "Taskmaster and Bucky don't make sense for this team."
Feige: "And I took that personally."
I feel so bad for Nando, he put in all this effort and then literally less than 24 hours later the real Thunderbolts movie contradicts 90% of what he said.
@@samrafkin3699 If only he sent it to Kevin Feige instead of posting it on his UA-cam channel
Nando: "Let's avoid redundancies on the abilities of team members."
Feige: "The team it's gonna be composed of 3 supersoldiers, 2 black widows, and Ghost."
@@samrafkin3699 💀
@@j.mnemonic9309 Yeah, not a lot of diversity in terms of skills and powers. Pretty much shooters, martial artists and low level super strength. I would've at least replaced Alexei and Bucky with new characters.
A Thunderbolt movie after Civil War would been cool. Ross would have to pick up the pieces after the Avengers fall out. The villians would also have to register after being caught.
YES!! I've been saying that for so long! It's honestly a gigantic miss
Why would Ross be involved
He didn't make the thunderbolts in the Comics
@@EmperorDxD because the movies change things all the time and Ross has been a member of the Thunderbolts, but MCU Ross isn’t Red Hulk and his position makes more sense to be the Nick Fury of the Thunderbolts
@@penisnt he all not gonna be in it because he is dead
The official Thunderbolts roster is so lackluster compared to this. I want to see this version of Thunderbolts!
Agreed 100%, super boring, three from black widow and three from falcon and the winter soldier plus ghost. Thought their would be some more variety :/
Yeah, your roster is more thought out. Just like SS, we need a few people that are memorable but clearly meant to be expendable. The official roster clearly look like they will not only survive but stick around. Plus, mostly enhanced humans/soldiers instead of metahumans... I dunno, might feel like another agents of shield situation
Hopefully they were just hiding other members
The official Thunderbolts is shockly lacking skillset diversity - with the exception of Ghost, they're all basically different flavours of Coke. I'd have included Songbird or the Beetle as aerial/ranged support, and even swapping Red Guardian out for someone like Speed Demon or Absorbing Man would have at least spiced up the melee fighters so they didnt have three supersoldiers with basically identical powers. I'd even take a wildcard like Radioactive Man or Whirlwind tbh...
I wish they had actually done the Thunderbolts for the Thunderbolts movie, instead of just doing Marvel’s Suicide Squad, which is not the point of Thunderbolts. Like why call it that if you’re going to do something else?
I love the little flourishes you put in your writing. Calling Yelene "little Miss Romanov" was the most Justin Hammer thing ever. I can't imagine the amount of thought that goes into your pitches.
I can overlook Marvel’s 6 person team rule, but I can’t overlook the distinct lack of Monsters on the team. Every superhero team needs some kind of creature.
Subjective take, Justice League works just fine, so does Teen Titans
@@CypherJj4457 1) This is Marvel, the monsters are built into the DNA
2) Martian Man Hunter, Cyborg, and Beast Boy all count from a drawing perspective
@@CypherJj4457 TBF, monster/creature is covered by a lot, the Justice League does have Martian Manhunter, a literal alien, and some may argue that Cyborg is sort of a monster due to his cybernetic enhancements (sort of a body horror thing going on with him), and the Titans have Raven, a half Demon, and Starfire, another literal alien, and those are just more or less out of the founding members of the teams, so the "every team has a monster thing" works for them as well. I agree with you that it's not necessarily mandatory, but it does seem like they do tend to do that a lot.
I feel like not using Abomination would be a waste of his return
@@CypherJj4457 you're talking about the shows, right? Please tell me you're talking about the shows.
Nando: What does Taskmaster have that we don't already have in Zemo, Walker, or Yelena?
Marvel: ...so, how about we add some more super soldiers?
Nando's Justin Hammer is always a treat and absolutely captures Sam Rockwell, love it, I'm gonna need Hammer Cameos - Hammeos? In every pitch from here on out.
I think it’s a mistake not having Atlas on the team, especially if he has the personality and backstory you’ve given him for this pitch. Imagine Zemo, a man who strongly discriminates against superhumans getting along with a superhuman who believes himself to be a danger to people around him. The potential for character growth there is undeniable.
Couldn't you get the same interacting with Screaming Mimi instead though?
Yeah I liked the pitch for Atlas here. Also nice to have someone on the team who legitimately cares about saving Ross. Luke Cage revenge plot is a bit thin imo -- Ross is more responsible for that than Sterns is, and he like never referenced it in his own show. Also can't see him teaming up with all these villains.
I like the idea of the Masters of Evil being the villains for the Thunderbolts, with members from both teams flipping sides midway through the film.
Es mejor que eso de sentry
That's an AWESOME idea
Never before have I wished more that one of your pitches was the actual thing because the real roster is just...dang.
Fr, especially with the whole cookie-cutter lineup marvel just announced
Anything marvel does is automatically bad, it seems.
I like all the characters but they all basically have the same powers. Do we really need 3 Captain America clones and 2 assassins on one team? Ghost is cool tho
I Know right there's too many super soldiers in the MCU
@@captainbotstick2443 yeah only ghost is the person having any legitimate powers and looking at the roster it seems secretly to be a black widow sequel just as captain america civil war seem like an avengers movie instead of a captain america movie .
You really gotta admire Nando's determination to put Justin Hammer in everything he possibly can
The inclusion of Luke Cage is great. I'd love a single line to Justin Hammer about his tech that nearly killed Luke.
Marvel revealing the lamest possible Thunderbolts lineup a week after this video is so funny
Nando cooks a team with a really nice mix different abilities and personalities, and then Marvel comes out with
- Ghost
- Black Widow 2.0
- Hydra’s Captain America
- Russia’s Captain America
- America’s Captain America
- Someone who can copy any ability but mostly Captain America
For the record I love Bucky, and I generally liked Red Guardian and John Walker in their projects, but when 4/6 members of your super team are imitations of Captain America, YOU MAY BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG 🥶
@@JohnBGang a rumor went out saying that some of the members will be replaced
and one of them is the sentry
@@mekiherring2088 if we get Justin Hammer I am there Day 1
@@JohnBGangAlso,Don't forget bald wakandian black widows...who is even better than supersoldiers appearntly(they smoke heart shaped hearb regurely so its bound to be)
Better than the official lineup just for having Zemo
How could the official lineup not have Zemo. The way Nando pitches makes it seem like a no brainer for him to be in it. Crazy, lol.
@@Maximo_ari I have a feeling that zemo is disguising himself as bucky in the actual movie
Zemo will probably be the villain.
More like better than the official lineup for having Ghost.
I like how D23 confirmed the leader was going to be returning to the mcu in captain America new world order.
Clearly it was a rush job because Nando uploaded this on his UA-cam channel by mistake.
As expected this lineup is better than the one we’re actually getting and it was just a day early
I do ADORE this idea. (Mainly because despite "Ant-Man and the Wasp" being just okay, Ghost is legitimately such a complex character, and she's one of my favorite "villains") But, I'm not sure on the viability of some of these characters... Even if some of the other options are even more unlikely...
I personally think it would be cute if they had Man-Thing from "Werewolf By Night", but I know the odds of that are like... Slim to none.
so what,honestly I would like him being more than luke cage who is more of a hero type...man thing fills the strong humanoid creature roaster like killer croc and king shark...also my personal character pick is speedball,he also fills underestimated but really power character shtick like pyro and polka dot man...
I was grinning ear to ear when I figured out you were gearing up for an avengers-like title card drop mid-movie. Love this
Nando submitted his report too late and they had to go with the interns pitch instead. Sad to see 😞
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I love the production quality on these videos man. Always love these pitches ever since the antman and the wasp and the antman pitch
I really dig this idea, however I really wanna see Abomination in action again!
We can even have a homage to the "Reservoir Dogs" scene when all the team walk in slow motion, wearing suits, 70's music on background, and of course, Mr. Tim Roth.
I love how much Nando adores Hammer
23:00 saying bullseye is just a sharpshooter is really underselling his abilities
After seeing the L cast for the Thunderbolts at D23… (Seriously, Task Master?) I will say NANDO V Movies is the hero we don’t deserve but the hero we need to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Well the MCU has not made a flop movie to date. (flop being a financial loss) so the MCU doesn't need saving. This is a great pitch though
@@xxashzerxxplayz679 I agree this is an amazing pitch and tHe MCU has never had a flop financially and the MCU has been MID FOR YOU. For me this has been my fave phase of The MCU so far With MS. Marvel, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi (my top 3 MCU in that order to date)
@@wakandaforever616 Wakanda Forever is not out yet?
@@TheClackbillula oh I know and I already know it's gonna be my fave MCU movie the trailer broke me in best way and I expect people balling out in the theaters
I love how you made Justin Hammer responsible for all there alter identities 😂
You can tell they had to come up with a new cast real last minute after he uploaded this
Depending on how the new Daredevil series plays out it would be interesting to see Luke cage in the the Thunderbolts. I like the comic moment where he talks about how he’s been on ever superhero team there is and even fought Doom.
Can't believe they rewrote your script
"Bucky would be too repetitive"
This aged badly
It would be absolutely hilarious to see Val approach Justin about the team and before she can even pitch it to him he says yes.
Trish Walker aka Hellcat from Jessica jones should definitely also be in The Thunderbolts alongside a few other Villains from the Netflix shows 😬
Agreed
Something about Nando playing the role of Hammer really works. He just nails it
Justin Hammer is his spirit animal. 😂
The way Nando changes voices without really changing... chills...
It's so funny watching this after the team has been announced - he's right for a lot of characters but not all of them. It's especially interesting how much of the pitch revolves around Zemo, as he's not a part of the team. Maybe he'll be a villain, which would be unexpected in some ways but fun, probably.
They have to bring zemo in. Hopefully they're just saving the reveal
Wow a marvel pitch from Nando featuring Justin Hammer? I never would've guessed.
Wow, this roster and idea is WAY better than what we’re getting.
How. HOW! How is Zemo not a main member of the team? It's unbelievable.
Sad to see that in under 24 hours The Thunderbolts lineup isn’t like this and The Leader is being used as the villain of another moviw
At least he's being used!
@@CrossOutBryce😅
Favorite UA-cam channel BY FAR. The quality of your content and writing is so astounding
This did not age well. They literally revealed the Thunderbolts line up the next day lol Still a great pitch of course Mr. Nando!
In the comics Zemo is the only Thunderbolt that doesn't become a hero so maybe they will adapt that in the MCU? (also your cast is better than the official one)
This was such a hoot to imagine, it's a shame none of this will transpire.
Hmm... I disagree on the lineup in a couple ways. I think Abomination's appearance in She-Hulk is to set him up to be on the team. They keep reminding the audience he exists because they plan to use him. I predict the last episode of SH will have Val recruiting Blonsky in the post credits scene.
Also I think having Hammer and the Tinkerer is just redundant. TWO genius weapons designers who have mostly been comedic characters? Just keep Hammer.
I do love the idea of Screaming Mimi, and especially who you cast to play her.
The Thunderbolts cast includes Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Red Guardian, and Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent. Olga Kurylenko’s Taskmaster and Hannah John-Kamen’s Ghost will also be on the team. Rounding out the Thunderbolts is Sebastian Stan’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, as played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, will manage the team.
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Welp...
baron zemo isn’t on thunderbolts lineup apparently. (May still be in the movie someway)
And ‘the leader’ is going to be in captain America new world order.
So yea..
jesus man. this pitch had me on the edge of my seat!! the intros the dialogue, specifically the jokes and banter... pitch perfect (pun intended)
honestly they can make bullseye work if they play SUPER hard into his improvisation aspect, like have him using cards, knives, toothpicks, his own teeth
Every character he turned down for a reason is on the team😭😭
Well, after D23, some people could say that this aged like milk...
All I'd say is, while I'm content with what we're getting, I hope we get something as close to this as possible...
i wanna watch this more than the actual thunderbolts. think we can get a full plot?
It is a shame that this video was near instantly outdated due to the D23 reveal of the Thunderbolts line up and the fact that the Leader is going to be In Cap4, this was quite an interesting pitch, I wouldn't have minded this being the actual movie.
Recast William hurt? You…. You mean you can do that? I thought recasting a character because the actor died was impossible.
It’s possible, you just need terrifying CGI face replication
This actually sounds pretty good, I’d actually watch this. Also you nailed the tones of Zemo, Leader, and Hammer.
I thought a lot of the charm of the "villains in disguise" shtick was that all of them are pretending to be existing superheroes, which might not work in the MCU since most of the mirror match villains end up dying.
I think the big thing to keep this from being diet Suicide Squad is to lean into these all being established villains. Even if the team lineup doesn't resemble any of the comic incarnations that much, I'd focus in on the highest-profile villains who survived their movies (however many that is, I've lost track) and use them as my starting point.
That was the team put together by Norman Osborne after Secret Invasion. And technically they were an Avengers team, not a Thunderbolts.
That was a different team, the dark avengers. Look up the baron zero team
That's a different team, Thunderbolts pretended to be New Heroes
Dark Avengers pretended to be old ones
Love to see Carl Creel back, Agents of SHIELD references go hard!
He died there tho
“What, so were some kind of thunderbolts”
-Zemo
A nice addition to the team would be bullseye played by Wilson Bethel
“What are you, Captain Yemen now?” ~Helmut Zemo
My ideal lineup (before watching the pitch), this is based on what we've seen in the MCU so far and closer to the Dark Avengers in concept but taking the Thunderbolts name:
U.S. Agent (from Falcon and the Winter Soldier)
Yelena Belova (from Black Widow and Hawkeye)
Justin Hammer (from Iron Man 2)
Abomination (from Hulk, Shang Chi, and She-Hulk)
Bullseye (from Daredevil)
Vision (from WandaVision)
Black Ant (a newly introduced character, Eric O'Grady) OR Atlas (also a newly introduced character, to make it closer to the original Thunderbolts lineup)
Moonstone (another newly introduced character, but it depends on The Marvels movie)
You really convinced me with adding Baron Zemo, Ghost, Atlas and/or Luke Cage.
Edit: after watching She-Hulk, Abomination might seem like a bad choice but I think Valentina can still pull some strings to recruit him. And I forgot to add Scorpion as a stand in for Spider-Man, it can be a nod to his debut in the comics when he was hired by J. Jonah Jameson but this time, it would be Valentina.
After looking at the D23 Thunderbolts lineup, lol it's definitely something.
Zemo HAS to be on the team imo
@@julianxamo7835 I didn't want to add Zemo at the time because I wanted each member to be a stand in for a member of the Avengers, and that was going to be U.S. Agent. But like I said, Nando convinced me otherwise.
@@marcusyee2211 I mean they just showed us that he isn't on the team apparently, so I guess I was wrong lol
I love that you really take the time to write out character moments other people would be a lot less thought out about it and it really makes the difference. Keep it up my dude.
Who else is here after the real lineup was announced at D23 😅
Pitch for an opening gag for a collab: 🎶do you want to pitch a movie? It's for the mcu🎶 I'll just collect my 5% royalties and be on my way
Its funny how nando thought the winter solider wouldn't make sense on the team. Yet now after seeing D23 we know he actually will be on the team.
"Creel and Sterns" sounds like a music duo lol
It's an interesting concept, I pretty much agree with the lineup and premise. Also, great addition with Luke Cage, wouldn't have initially thought of adding him in due to his more heroic side, but the more I think about it the more it works, he is a Hero for Hire after all, and he and Jessica could have Danielle at this point.
If I were to make changes to it I'd move Hammer from someone in the field to more of a behind the scenes sort of person, like rather than him being out with the team, he works with the Tinkerer to build stuff, but also helps fund different things, like he can pay off people to make the mission go easier or whatever.
I also like the addition of Creel, though IIRC he died in Agents of Shield Season 5 after being absorbed into Graviton, which happened shortly before the Snap (Season 5 literally has Thanos's invasion of Earth happening in the background for the last couple episodes) so he wouldn't really be available to use for this, if you want the "Metal Man" thing still (and honestly where I thought you were going), an argument could be made for it being Colossus who is working for the Winter Guard at this point in time as the X-Men haven't formed yet (perhaps have it explained that with the Avengers disbanded and the collapse of the Red Room and the Widow program the Russian government wanted to have their own Avengers that they controlled, and so they get Red Guardian back and have like Colossus and Ursa on the team and whoever else, maybe have it be useful for a sort of reunion between Yelena and Red Guardian, who last we knew she hasn't seen in 9 years since the end of Black Widow, perhaps another thing factoring into her potential face turn and joining the Young Avengers), and it would be a way to continue to get more Mutants into the MCU.
Aside from that though, I do think Abomination could be added to the team, sure Blonsky seems reformed, but there does seem to still be more going on with him that we don't yet know, at least to me there does.
From the future, and your team is infinitly better. We get 2 Assassins, 3 super Soldiers, and ghost. This is easily the least diverse team from a power/dynamic standpoint and is the least imaginative
"U.S Agent isnt a straight up villain" *walker plunging his shield into a guy*
He plunged his shield into a terrorist who just murdered his friend. Iron Man killed people with the calmness of Frank Castle in IM3. The US Agent thing works as bad optics for the character but that show tried way too hard in trying to get the audience to empathize with the mass murdering revolutionaries.
"Checks for zemo and songbird" okay this already made it better than the MCU did. Atlas too.
Glad I’m not the only one that thinks She Hulk has been crazy fun. Seems all I see about it is negativity.
Reminds me of John Byrne’s run, which I dig.
i like your idea way more than what Feige has cooking.
While I do absolutely love this pitch, there's one thing that really irks me: Crusher Creel actually died in Agents of SHIELD. Whether the show and its continuity remains canon is still up in the air, but if it is, I don't think the Absorbing Man (or at least Carl) will show up in The Thunderbolts. Plus wouldn't it be confusing if an established character miraculously returns from the dead with zero explanation?
I don't know. I guess that's me just mostly nit-picking...
not unlike nando’s podcast: mostly nitpicking
that’s a good point. but sadly it seems like marvel is ignoring AOS. ghost rider took the darkhold back to hell at the end of season 4, yet somehow it’s in the hands of agatha harkness by wandavision (unless it’s meant to be one of many on earth)
@@xavierramirez1911 there's no way to reasonably keep it canon. It just was too ambitious and carries too much baggage. The Netflix shows are a lot easier to simply retcon in
AoS fan here
I want AoS to be decanonised so badly
It would be the best for both
even a year later Justin Hammers part is pure perfection I love it.
I like the idea, especially the part where Hammer name everyone, that was so funny ahahhha, he could be the funny guy in this movie....
eventough the opening before "Thunderbolt" title look 2016 suicide squad-ish, but its okay the character that being recruited is different and not all of them are prisoners...
and I hoped the movie could be beginners friendly since there is a lot of characters you didn't familiar with (unless you are a marvel fans) like short introductions but got the idea of their arc/original. Their ability could be introduced along they way like the Eternals-type...
and the idea of creating bulk of hulks kind of along the way with Marvel's theme of bigger and space-oriented adventure-ish..
…the blip.. WAS the 5 years after the snap?
Captain Yemen. I've been seeing this character for 3 decades and never thought of that. *chef's kiss*
You know, the one villain I'm missing in this line-up is Moonstone. She's a huge powerhouse and has been on the team pretty much since the start, but I guess she would be way too hard for a government agent to control. Maybe in a sequel.
These pitch videos are amazing. Can't wait for the next one
Nando, writing for Marvel after watching Sam Rockwell get under-utilized in the MCU: "And I took that personally."
MCU couldve actually done the original team with zemo leading them. Total missed opportunity
They literally could've Introduced:
Songbird in TFATWS
Atlas in Quantumania
Moonstone in Secret Invasion
MACH-1 and Fixer in Ironheart or Armor Wars
All that aside this pitch is excellent, love having The Leader as a villain
I think The Thunderbolts in the MCU are going to be more discrete and secret than the comics version and The Avengers due to the fact that the team is mostly super-soldiers and people the world doesn't even know exist like Ghost or Taskmaster. With the team being this way it's very unlikely that they'll need a "Hulk" or even flashy big-time super suits like The Avengers have. I really wanted Songbird on the team though :( Still excited for The Thunderbolts anyway!
Man I love your pitch
I think Blonsky could be part of this Thunderbolts pretty easily, he'd just fill the role of the level-headed one *as well* as The Heavy.
I don't think so, in a way...
he got pardon with spesific condition that no matter what he cannot turn into abomination or he will go to jail straight forward....
and to thinking that this would be a out of the book type of mission, hiding abomination is not going to be easy....
beside you need him in his abomination form since emil blonski's skill set already cover by us agent and zemo...
Got half the cast right and predicted Leader's return. Not bad. Honestly though I think he did a better job by putting Zemo on the team rather than Bucky.
And 24hrs later they dropped the line up, at least Nando wasn’t far off.
It’s my headcanon that while in prison Zeno used that phone to download like Angry Birds or Clash of clans just something to pass the time
Now we need your thoughts on the actual line up we got
Tbh, I’m actually not really surprised by them with the exception of Bucky being there
The most surprising part is the absence of Zemo
@@riyadsaid8264 Yeah true. Although there’s a chance he might still play a decent role in the movie. That’s my prediction though
There’s a little problem, Absorbing Man was in Agents Of Shield and died in Season 5
He was also the villain in the first hulk movie... And whilst that has questionable canonicity, so does the second one and this pitch is fully integrating that
@@Cheesusful That….wasn’t Creel.
@@Materminds187 ok? Was it an absorbing man though?
@@Cheesusful He’s more of a Zzzax
@@Materminds187 but that's still an absorbing man?
near the 15 minute mark and I'm totally invested in this
You wrote Hammer so well I genuinely heard him
All in on whatever gets Allison Brie into the MCU
Close call with who is in the thunderbolts... well done!
After seeing the official Thunderbolts lineup this one is so much better.
Would be incredibly cool to have Deadpool on the team
Nah, he doesn't fit this lineup, especially if we're going for the Winter Soldier/Civil War tone this pitch seems to
You called it with the Taskmaster redundancy, but Kevin Feige decided to double down. 😭😭😭
I think the movie would be better if it only included characters that have already been introduced, and I think Hercules should find his way onto this team.
As a geography and flag nerd I really appreciate “captain yemen”
The humor was on point for this
The real reason there was a delay for the MCU panel without a Thunderbolts trailer was because Kevin had to panic course correct because Nando accidentally put this on UA-cam